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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: VWE on March 09, 2008, 09:24:48 AM
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That before this day is through the acklies will be kicked off the Japanese mainland...
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That before this day is through the acklies will be kicked off the Japanese mainland...
i agree. they only have 2 Vehicle bases and a airfield.
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Please take all the Airfields and VH. Then u can DA each other all day and all night
MUGADAI of the Only MUNGADAI WARRIORS
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I predict it will rain...
...or not.
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I predict VanScrew's will cry on 200. :D
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I predict the Allies will still have something to do even if we capture all the bases.
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/Tyrant1966/sheep.jpg)
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Nuts!
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Looks like your predictions are as accurate as the weatherman's
:rofl :rofl
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Looks like your predictions are as accurate as the weatherman's
:rofl :rofl
Allieds are off the mainland. So is it ganna rain?
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*ShruG* Really getting to the point of not mattering anymore. I think you're right though. There's no way the Allies are ever gonna have enough members sitting by the phone with the game on idle to drop a fork or close the pRon and prove at a moment's notice how good they are at the game and that they own the AvA.
What it'll take is a very cunning plan on staff's part to rethink how do design a war that doesn't reward mass dweebism (on anybody's part). Hmmmm .... :D
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Yea nine axis and twenty-five allies on tonight for a few hours. Yet every time they tryed for a base they got beat back.
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You mean there's a second AvA arena now? Cause I didn't see the odds you claim "for a few hours." What hours? Got a screenshot of that? :D
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Yea nine axis and twenty-five allies on tonight for a few hours. Yet every time they tryed for a base they got beat back.
Good to see your pouring salt on an opened wound...
We get the message!! Yall are better organized, better communications, better in your planes, we get the message guys. Dont gotta keep rubbing it in!! And this just isnt towards you TK, its to all axis players. Why keep posting stuff on how bad the allies are doing?? Does it truely make you guys feel better?? Its just getting old now....
For the next AvA war, i suggest everyone switch sides...
Axis goes Allies
Allies goes Axis
Thoughts?? I know, some of you all have to come out of your comfort zone!! So try not to freak out!
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You mean there's a second AvA arena now? Cause I didn't see the odds you claim "for a few hours." What hours? Got a screenshot of that? :D
I sorry I dont take screen shots every time we are out numbered 3 to 1. It would be far to many to keep track of. Tonight we were out numbered two and three to one untill about midnight when JG54 have about seven people on. By then it was around 13 to 17. Where you there when the 68th were trying to take 75? What about when I gave you a pilot wound in my Ju88s?
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I sorry I dont take screen shots every time we are out numbered 3 to 1. It would be far to many to keep track of. Tonight we were out numbered two and three to one untill about midnight when JG54 have about seven people on. By then it was around 13 to 17. Where you there when the 68th were trying to take 75? What about when I gave you a pilot wound in my Ju88s?
But you do post creative camera angles in other threads to make it look as if you're fending off a half dozen or more Allied planes all by your lonesome without another Axis plane remotely in sight? (I saw them before they went red x). :D
What's the pat answer you have everytime *I* bring up AvA roster odds, again? Oh yeah .. it goes like this "Only a few of us are up in the air!" Hehehe ....
Hmmm ... ok ... you like posting shots to back your story. Try this, next time, use an unphotoshopped screenshot of filmviewer ( just grabbed the film of the specific time in the arena you claimed you were being overwhelmed - btw - how many other attempts other than mine stood in your way?) ... :
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh204/arlogu3/AvA030908001.jpg)
I'm at the tank farm to try to help 68falcon and crew - look! the pic shows it's just me and 2 axis planes! ...
10k around my plane (roughly spherical ... stopping at the deck) it's 4 bish vs 4 rook ....
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh204/arlogu3/AvA030908002.jpg)
At co-alt I see a 190 and prepare to pair off (hoping the equal odds assures us a chance to at least exhange shots before one or the other of us is jumped by another opponent). But 68falcon calls for me to take out the low 88s (you). Down I go (as does OM, suspected but not confirmed by me at the time).
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh204/arlogu3/AvA030908003.jpg)
You score a pilot wound with your 88 rears. (Can't fault your skill but you've had more practice in that position than me. ;0)
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(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh204/arlogu3/AvA030908003b.jpg)
Another angle .... ketchup everywhere. You hit me right in the cheeseburger and I don't have long to live. I continue to fire passing through your formation ... you switch to front guns as I pass but you miss that time. I start to black out frequently right away ... hitting wep.
4 bish - 2 rooks 10k around me.
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh204/arlogu3/AvA030908004.jpg)
Blacking out and looking for a place to belly in (not realizing my belly tank is still firmly attached), OM is dogging my trail.
Same odds.
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh204/arlogu3/AvA030908005.jpg)
OM goes low six stealth to sneak up on me. He doesn't realize I'm blacked out but can still hear him. I'm hoping against hope it's one of those rare LW pilots who aren't wanting to bump up their kill stats and realize I'm pretty much helpless but still trying to make it back. Not a threat or challenge at this point. But with a belly tank on I suppose it didnt seem like I was either looking to ditch or aware. I might have dropped my gear upon awakening just to see but I'm way too fast - even with my throttle down to nadda. Three Bish - one Rook in my sphere. But for all practical purposes it's odds of just 1 to 0 (me).
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh204/arlogu3/AvA030908008.jpg)
Throttle still completely bottomed and lining up to skid the beach - OM gains rapidly. Maybe he thought this was some kind of rookie merge tactic. I've known OM long enough to know he doesn't ever take down someone who's made it known they're out of the fight. I've got 200 off (it's just become radio free juvie ... I need to keep it off for good) ... so there's no begging for mercy via that avenue. I hear the sound of the 190, the cannons ... I wasn't blacked out when I no longer had control of the horizontal axis. I slipped to the sea.
So no, TK ... I didn't notice how massively outnumbered you were when you skillfully defended the Germanese homeland. Nor did you seem massively outnumbered at the vulchfest fifteen minutes later. Numbers were pretty equal. Just energy and alt wasn't. Ta .... thanks for letting me put my own slideshow up. :D
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My pics are still up. Please show me where I photoshoped them? You want to talk about vulch fest 10 minutes before OM was getting vulched over and over by two 68th. Im guessing your "vulch fest" was the furball we where having that kept getting closer and closer to your base. After a while we ended up right over the allied base, but you guys kept uping.
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My pics are still up. Please show me where I photoshoped them? You want to talk about vulch fest 10 minutes before OM was getting vulched over and over by two 68th. Im guessing your "vulch fest" was the furball we where having that kept getting closer and closer to your base. After a while we ended up right over the allied base, but you guys kept uping.
I didn't say you did. What I *said* was if you want to present accurate data via pictures ... use the tool that tells the whole story and use it that way without photoshopping it (as in, yes, TK ... the data on the sidebar *can* be photoshopped by the skilled - but why?).
And your definition of what a vulchfest *isn't* is as rationalized as your response that when YOUR numbers are high it doesn't mean anything because half of you are in tanks grabbing bases.
Now lighten up, Francis. I'm still being quite civil. Even shared a valuable AAR method. :D
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I didn't say you did. What I *said* was if you want to present accurate data via pictures ... use the tool that tells the whole story and use it that way without photoshopping it (as in, yes, TK ... the data on the sidebar *can* be photoshopped by the skilled - but why?).
Im sorry but Im on dial up and am not about to wait an hour to uplaod pictures. All the pictures I posted show an out number axis flyer getting ganged by the whining "if not fair, the axis always have numbers" guys. None of them are photoshoped or modified. I took them from a film and only cut out the extra pixels to cut down size.
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Hmmm ... you're too offended to understand what I'm hinting at. Your pictures can only show one angle. Angle can mislead .. whether you are actually trying to or not. Try my method next time. It not only shows a pic .... it describes the enviroment around you out to 10k yds, including the ratio of sides, their altitudes, speeds, type of aircraft. I don't think you're lying TK. I think you're mistaken and thinking what you posted proves your claim. :)
Carry on. Relax. Breathe in. Breathe out. We're all good. I may not be bringing a lot of VP (virtual pilot) skill to the table but you seem to forget I have a lot of experience in the game. :D
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All this whining coming from a the allied HO champion. everytime i went up against him, he tried to HO me. Atleast we were kind enough to let him get off the ground and try. at one point, 3 allieds upped from the field and i had perfect shots at all of them from behind. we instead opted to let them up and fight them in the air. i'm sure they wouldve extended the same courtesy to us???? sure they would!! hehehhe right!
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does all this bickering back and forth mean that fun was had by all? there were some great fights in there last night and for the brief period I was on it was non stop action.
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I wasnt saying I was out numbered when I was flying the Ju88s I said axis were out numbered. It was 10 to 24 then most of them were attacking other bases. You want something that isnt proves my point how about this.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/TKvshorde.ahf
I was flying my 190A8 at alt because the sortie before I came in with a 109F and got ganged by the same guys in this film. I wasnt going to let that happen again, so I went in with speed and alt so I can pick the weakest planes from the horde. Two made the mistake of going nose to nose with me, they both lost then whined about it on 200. Another two made the mistake of landing/taking while Im in a killing frenzy. I got away from the blob of red after I got my seven kills and landed on a CV a few miles out. Theres no question in my mind that they all would have ganged me if I got slow. Is that enough proof for you?
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OM goes low six stealth to sneak up on me. He doesn't realize I'm blacked out but can still hear him. I'm hoping against hope it's one of those rare LW pilots who aren't wanting to bump up their kill stats and realize I'm pretty much helpless but still trying to make it back. Not a threat or challenge at this point.
Sorry, Arlo, truth is that I thought you were someone else. I had just spent the past five or ten minutes trying to get a plane up in the air and more than a mile from base, but a pair of vulchers were (successfully) doing their level best to prevent that. There aren't many things in AH that anger me, but vulching does, particularly when there's no goon on the way and it's just being done for kicks. Figured you were one of them coming back for more.
I confirm the essential points of your story. You did a fine job of staying above one (two?) other Axis guys and me, and I was pretty sure that TK had inflicted a pilot wound on you with his Ju88 7.7s. For the reasons set forth above, I just wanted to ensure you didn't make it home. Felt bad (not terrible, mind you, but bad) when I learned I'd made a mistake. "Ox-bow Incident" in modern times.
- oldman
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You know what amuses me? It is almost like the Axis players that post here TRULY believe that Axis players don't vulch, gang, joust, etc.
To me, that either means they are idiots, or they are liars and they think I'M an idiot.
They don't vulch, they break into "killing frenzies"... They don't gang, all those cons are "watching"... unless they happen to catch the squad "flying together, and foolishly expect a 1v1".
You want to know why the Spit IX is the most popular plane for the Allied side? Because it is the most capable plane, especially when fighting X on 1.
I could post film of me fighting pretty much however many people you want to name in the AvA.. this in spite of the fact that one guy, when killed in a 2v1 whined.. I mean... hm.. no.. he really did whine "You need HELP to get YOUR kills! :cry" when he had participated joyfully in a gangbang on me earlier, beating how however many squaddies were there for the kill.
The same gentleman then died a few more times 1v1... then tried to vulch me when I landed. Or perhaps he was caught in the midst of bloodlust, in a "killing frenzy".
If you guys would drop the BS, I'd find you all a little bit more palatable.
Yea, you vulch. Fine. Yea, you gangbang. Fine - I can fly a Spit, you pretty much have to gangbang. Yea, Axis normally outnumber Allied by a factor of at least 2 to 1 (at least every time I've been there, the past few weeks).
Just don't TALK one way, and ACT the other.
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Urchin axis DOES vulch, HO gan, ect. we have said we do. When allies are vulching our field you dont hear an efing peep from us, but the second we vulch theres whining on 200 and maybe a thread/post about it. I have told many of them to deal with it but all they can do is whine. I was talking with OM about it the other day. He or someone else said that it wasnt good sportsmenship right after an allied pilot whined about getting vulched. I told him this and I will tell all of you, Im not ganna listen to people whine on 200 about how its bad to vulch and its not fair blah blah blah when earlier that night we were the ones getting vulched by the same guys whining about it now. When Im out numbered Im happy because I know theres going to be lots of enemy to shoot at, but if you think Im ganna get low and slow looking for a 1v1 on purpose while there are spits swarming around you are sadly mistaken.
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TK, the whole thing is a bunch of crap. How often do Allies vulch a field? Honestly.
And any sort of BS about "wanting a good fight" is crap. Again.. you are either an idiot, or you think I am.
Just do a quick comparison of squads... the scores are right up there for everyone to see. Please make a note that unless a squad has more than 2 members it isn't even listed by HTC on their site. Also, I didn't count "squads" with more than 2 members but only 1 active player.
It is really hard to see what the numbers are at any given moment, but it is incredibly EASY to check and see what the trend is based on organized squad participation.
Axis squads - 3. JG54, JG11, Avengers. Total "Axis" players 18 + 11 + 11 = 40. Total playtime by these 3 squads 184:58, 55:41, 79:08 = 319.8 hours.
Allied squads - 2. Total Allied players 18 + 5 = 23. Total Allied playtime ... 83:40, 9:40. 93.3 hours.
So in other words... Axis have more players... and they play more.
If any of you wanted a "good game" .. it'd be easy to switch to Allied and make it a game. Instead, you all play for the same team, and bemoan the lack of competition. It is a joke, and if you say don't understand that, well... you already know what I think on that score.
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The one true thing that i have noticed in the AvA arena and on this BB:
the AvA arena was always promoted in the past and a fun place to hang out where the challenge was greater as far as combat goes.There used to be a level of respect in the AvA arena that was found no where else in this game.When ever a pilot logged into the AvA arena they expected not just a fight, but a fight Vs. someone who knows what they are doing and not the HO Vulch Gang type.Where you could get shot down near your field and up from that same field and the person who shot you down would let you get back up to altitude and start the fight again.
There have been many attempts to bring the numbers up in the AvA and now that the numbers are up it seems you cannot have one without the other, lotsa #'s with dweeb tactics or low #'s with respect.
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Yea, I noticed a bit of that myself by the Axis in the arena the other night.
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When I first started playing this game about a year ago the AvA was my favorite arena. I knew if I went in there I would find a good fight with a skilled pilot. I knew that I would find good sportsmanship. I knew I wouldn't have to deal with people crying on 200.
That has all changed.
Now that the arena has objectives it is inevitable that guys will vultch airfields and HO and do the things that generally start watermelon on 200. This I usually do not have a problem with in the MA due to the fact that basses need to be cleared to be captured. The sad thing is that the AvA used to be an arena you could go to and get away from that for awhile.
Giving the arena a scenario feel was a great idea in theory but I for one think is has caused the demise of a once great part of AH2. The numbers that are coming in now are great but at what cost?
Reading the posts above it is hard for me to believe that the guys complaining about being vultched or HOed have not done the same things themselves. I know that I have.
As for Truekill you seem to catch the most flak from my allied partners. Everyone knows you are a good player and I think most have great respect for you. Some in my squad would hate to hear me say that but I am one of those people. I would like to know if you feel the same about the direction the arena is headed.
It may be worth a shot to stop the bickering on these boards for 5 seconds and discuss what can be done to restore the honor in the one arena that can be restored.
It will always be difficult to stop some people from playing the way they want to play. But the good thing about this arena is that you will mainly find guys that want to have fun in an aircraft that takes some skill to operate. This alone thins out the numbers willing to fly there. So with that in mind it should not be hard to come together and but an end to the crap and have some fun.
Vf4nik8r
VF-31 Tomcatters
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I wont get into the Axis vs Allies fight, but I want to comment on the AvA as a whole.
Some people have an idealized and unrealistic expectation of what the AvA is. Sure, you CAN get 1v1s, but sometimes you are gonna get ganged. Sometimes you can get up without getting vulched, sometimes you get vulched mercilessly. Sometimes the sides are even and sometimes they are way off. Ever since I started flying in the AvA/CT 4+ years ago it has been that way. Because its regular population was small, everyone knew each other and ganging and vulching happened less, but it did happen just like the MA. It is not now, and never has been, a chivalrous utopia. If you are expecting it to be a chivalrous utopia you are setting the arena and yourself up for failure.
As for HOs, its a non-issue. If you fly into someone's sights FROM ANY ANGLE expect to get shot. If you fly into an enemy's sights from any angle expect him to pull the trigger. If he doesnt fine, you got lucky. If he does get over it, YOU are the one that allowed yourself to get in a position where he could hit you.
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TK, the whole thing is a bunch of crap. How often do Allies vulch a field? Honestly.
Every single night that Iv loged on I see an axis field being vulched. Most of the time a goon never even comes. Unlike with the axis if theres a horde over your base vulching theres a dam good chance we have goons on the way. We've found thats its alot easier to just drop the ack and VH then cap the field then drop all the hangers just to see them pop before the troops get there.
Vf4nik8r I HATE how the arena is now. I miss the old ava. Sure there were really low numbers, but you knew every time you were ganna have a great fight no matter what. Iv said this in the past numbers only bring dweebyness and thats all this is. Only reason Im still playing in here is because Iv been playing the CT/AVA since almost its start. Iv seen its ups and downs and stuck with it. Im just praying that we can get our little sand box back one day.
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I agree with you Grits. The arena will never be totally chivalrous as you said. But before the changes I can say I never once got vultched on a runway. Sure I got my share of Ho's and things but you already explained that problem. Again I don't think the problem is with the players but the objectives. The best part about the arena before was that there was no real overlying competition to win a war.
Trukill I thought you might feel that way and couldn't agree more.
Vf4nik8r
VF-31 Tomcatters
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And this crap is different from the MA in what way?
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:lol Exactly the point Delirium.
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And this crap is different from the MA in what way?
It isnt different Del, and it never has been. You may be more likely to get an uninterrupted 1v1, or you might find a guy who wont vulch you occasionally, you will get ch200 trash talk, like I said its not a chivalrous utopia. I feel people have built the image of the AvA into something it can never live up too. It is somewhat different than the MA because you are likely to know every single player on both sides, but gangs, vulches, and HOs happen just like everywhere else. If someone comes in expecting anything else, they are destined to be disappointed due to unrealistic expectations.
Bottom line is, enjoy the AvA for what it is. It is a roughly historic battle using as close as possible opposing aircraft and GVs as the AH inventory will allow. It is nothing more than that and every other "bad" thing that happens in the MA can and will happen there too, sometimes less often, sometimes more often.
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I wont get into the Axis vs Allies fight, but I want to comment on the AvA as a whole.
Some people have an idealized and unrealistic expectation of what the AvA is. Sure, you CAN get 1v1s, but sometimes you are gonna get ganged. Sometimes you can get up without getting vulched, sometimes you get vulched mercilessly. Sometimes the sides are even and sometimes they are way off. Ever since I started flying in the AvA/CT 4+ years ago it has been that way. Because its regular population was small, everyone knew each other and ganging and vulching happened less, but it did happen just like the MA. It is not now, and never has been, a chivalrous utopia. If you are expecting it to be a chivalrous utopia you are setting the arena and yourself up for failure.
As for HOs, its a non-issue. If you fly into someone's sights FROM ANY ANGLE expect to get shot. If you fly into an enemy's sights from any angle expect him to pull the trigger. If he doesnt fine, you got lucky. If he does get over it, YOU are the one that allowed yourself to get in a position where he could hit you.
Amen !!, to that, Grits, I couldn't agree more.
OldBull
XO Avengers Squad
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Id like to second that motion!!
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First, let me say that I am really impressed by the effort put into the AvA arena to turn it into the historical Axis vs Allies area that it was envisioned to be. There is a feel there that is not present in the MA’s. I expect that this is the future, and for good reason.
With that said, there WAS a time in the recent past where AvA was an honorable DA with a rolling planeset. 200 was filled with almost nothing other than humor and advice. The only fights more than 2v1 were 3v3s or 4v4s that were fought to their conclusions. Most fights were worth the time to get there (unless you ended up fighting me, that was mostly a waste of ammo, but I learned from every loss), and that time investment was very short.
Sure there were always a few gamers worried about their score that could not be educated, and a few new people that had yet to be enlightened, but this was the vast minority. The only real drawback to the arena at this time was the pitifully low population. I imagine that there was also a time in the more distant past where things were worse that may be causing the confusion.
Regardless, the utopian sand box did exist. I was there. Several others were as well. Anyone who had the misfortune not to experience it missed out.
I support the retention and continued development of the current AvA, but I would also like my memory of the (not so) old DA AvA added back as another arena.
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Geophro, I must admit that I have not played AH much (less than on night a month) in the last year so I might have missed what you describe. However, knowing the regular AvA/CT player base many of whom I've fought with and against for over 4 years, I think it is unlikely it was a good as you remember. I could be totally talking out my arse (and it wouldnt be the first time either) but I doubt it. I am not saying it was a hell hole, but neither was it a "shining City on the Hill".
Consider too that what I personally thought was a perfect AvA was an honorable DA with a rolling realistic plane set. I had little desire to have GVs, bombers, base captures, or anything much beyond a base-to-base furball. When the AvA was that, what I thought was perfect for my desires, it had its lowest participation ever. I have slowly come to the conclusion that the AvA has to appeal to more than the base-to-base furball types (like me) to be successful. It has to appeal to the buff pilots, the base capture squads, the GV guys in addition to its traditional core.
I didnt like the idea of the "War" when it was first rolled out, as a matter of fact I hated it. But, I kept my opinions to myself and waited to see how it would work. I think there is no doubt that it has been a success and as much as I would selfishly like it to go back to the historic DA furball it used to be, I hope for the sake of the greater good of the arena it does not.
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It isnt different Del, and it never has been. You may be more likely to get an uninterrupted 1v1, or you might find a guy who wont vulch you occasionally, you will get ch200 trash talk, like I said its not a chivalrous utopia. I feel people have built the image of the AvA into something it can never live up too. It is somewhat different than the MA because you are likely to know every single player on both sides, but gangs, vulches, and HOs happen just like everywhere else. If someone comes in expecting anything else, they are destined to be disappointed due to unrealistic expectations.
Bottom line is, enjoy the AvA for what it is. It is a roughly historic battle using as close as possible opposing aircraft and GVs as the AH inventory will allow. It is nothing more than that and every other "bad" thing that happens in the MA can and will happen there too, sometimes less often, sometimes more often.
Give it up Grits. You're trying to explain shades-of-gray to people with black-and-white thinking. People who are say, intellectually challenged, have to divide reality into convenient little piles. Good-Bad, Black-White. I don't even like the shades-of-gray because reality is a infinite continuum between countless points, not just two. All this is way to complicated and confusing for the average brain.
So to these dullards if something happens occasionally it is the same as when it happens constantly. Maybe if you spent a week smacking them up side the head once a day, then spent a week smacking them once a minute they may (may) get the point but I doubt it. The ensuing concussion would just exasperate the problems they already have.
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I wasnt saying I was out numbered when I was flying the Ju88s I said axis were out numbered. It was 10 to 24 then most of them were attacking other bases. You want something that isnt proves my point how about this.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/TKvshorde.ahf
I was flying my 190A8 at alt because the sortie before I came in with a 109F and got ganged by the same guys in this film. I wasnt going to let that happen again, so I went in with speed and alt so I can pick the weakest planes from the horde. Two made the mistake of going nose to nose with me, they both lost then whined about it on 200. Another two made the mistake of landing/taking while Im in a killing frenzy. I got away from the blob of red after I got my seven kills and landed on a CV a few miles out. Theres no question in my mind that they all would have ganged me if I got slow. Is that enough proof for you?
Musta been an anomoly. Most of us weren't ... in the air. ;)
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Sorry, Arlo, truth is that I thought you were someone else. I had just spent the past five or ten minutes trying to get a plane up in the air and more than a mile from base, but a pair of vulchers were (successfully) doing their level best to prevent that. There aren't many things in AH that anger me, but vulching does, particularly when there's no goon on the way and it's just being done for kicks. Figured you were one of them coming back for more.
I confirm the essential points of your story. You did a fine job of staying above one (two?) other Axis guys and me, and I was pretty sure that TK had inflicted a pilot wound on you with his Ju88 7.7s. For the reasons set forth above, I just wanted to ensure you didn't make it home. Felt bad (not terrible, mind you, but bad) when I learned I'd made a mistake. "Ox-bow Incident" in modern times.
- oldman
None of what I posted was meant as a slam at you. But I'm fair certain you know. It was just the one particular moment in time TK brought up as a fine example of how overwhelmed he felt as an Axis pilot and the best thing I could think of to show him how perspective can vary is to show him everything that was 10k around me during that moment. Alas ... he has dialup and can't be bothered trading pics ... only posting his own. :)
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It suffers the same situation the MA does. You can't have the objective be base taking and have a 1v1 arena at the same time. Base taking requires some degree of supressing the enemy with numbers, aggressive airfield capping (aka vuching, picking, ganging), porking, or some combination of these.
If we want an arena where good dogfights are the norm, base capture needs to be no part of it. The furball area in the DA is the right layout, but needs AVA plane sets, written gameplay expectations, & regulars that politely mentor and encourage others to adhere to the expected gameplay. Just the name "furball" is the #1 reason many feel it is an "anything goes" area.
1/2 the arena looking for 1v1 dogfights while the other 1/2 is doing whatever is needed to capture bases only results in what we have. The dogfighters are mad at getting ganged, picked and vuched, and the base takers are mad that no one is helping gain or defend real estate.
That said, it's still fun. My first time in the AVA about 6mo ago was a blast. Most everyone was asking before joining a fight, vets were explaining the deal to new guys and 200 was 90% polite and good-natured. It jumped in there few more times and it was hit or miss. One thing is for sure, if base taking and winning the war remains an objective, the AVA will never be an arena to expect good 1v1 fights.
I would love having an arena where it was realistic plane sets, the emphasis was on air combat only, the expected gameplay was laid out in writing, and it was still a bit unstructured so that you have to watch your back for that 2nd enemy. I've seen it a few nights and it was fun. Expecting that from the current MA or AVA set-ups is unrealistic.
Aspen
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One thing is for sure, if base taking and winning the war remains an objective, the AVA will never be an arena to expect good 1v1 fights.
Aspen
Where were you last night?? im sure the other guys will tell you it was a blast!
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You mean there's a second AvA arena now? Cause I didn't see the odds you claim "for a few hours." What hours? Got a screenshot of that? :D
Arlo Axis were outnumbered from 2030 to about 2200. I saw 28 allies to 8 axis. I entered when Allies were attacking V75. It was amazing but at the same time, disheartening. All those troops and we didn't take it. I give credit to the Axis for putting up a good fight, and ulceric defense of V75.
I don't like to loose, but we did.
MUGADAI of the MUNGADAI WARRIORS
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An hour and a half in the AvA when the Axis were outnumbered? Oh maaaaaaan! :D
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An hour and a half in the AvA when the Axis were outnumbered? Oh maaaaaaan! :D
:salute
That's got to be a record of some kind! The LW needs a medal for them being out numbered for such a length of time!
Absolutely astounding!
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Arguing numbers. :rolleyes:
Yes, the atmosphere in the AvA could be better, but overall I'm convinced the gameplay is heading in the right direction.
Being low in side numbers means base defense and the possibility of being vulched. Base defense is something a lot of Axis players are good at and enjoy the challenge, for whatever reason. I count myself in that crowd as it's some of the fastest action the game offers. It's why you don't see so many ch. 200 vulching complaints from the Axis side. I for one always look for the flashing base with the most enemy traffic overhead.
Numbers on the roster or in a film don't count for much IMHO. I look at numbers in flight, and the time of day. I've noticed huge swings in numbers in as little as 30 minutes, and it can be very annoying regardless of my sides' ratio, but it's like Oklahoma weather, it'll change again in a minute.
As for the noble 1v1, quit whining, the AvA population is still small enough that's it's still happening. Many players witnessed this the first week of this tour when urchin and I spent an hour or so meeting over the water east of A17. He flew past Axis outbound players, and other then a couple of Axis players hanging out wanting to test their metal against urchin, our fights went undisturbed and we both had a great time. Then TwinBoom asked for the same courtesy, and it was granted. S! Urchin and TwinBoom. I challenge anyone to repeat that, private duels, in the late war MAs. Yeah, that will happen. :lol
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Easyscore is right. Especially about Oklahoma weather! (are you an Okie too?)
I 1v1'ed several pilots, just broadcast on 200 if your wanting a quick 1v1, I had several responses. Though...some of them didn't talk to me again once they lost...oh well. :)
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Where were you last night?? im sure the other guys will tell you it was a blast!
I popped in a for a bit. Don't get me wrong, I have fun in the current AVA and in the MA. Even though I would like the Pollyanna AVA where it was all honor and code as an option, I also like to be in a MA horde or flying into a MA horde all alone with no alt depending on what mood I'm in.
You never see me complain on 200 because I'm always having fun!
Aspen
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Easyscore is right. Especially about Oklahoma weather! (are you an Okie too?)<snip>
Moved away in 82' I think it was. I really miss the rain and I hate earthquakes, but I'd never move back.
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Regardless, the utopian sand box did exist. I was there. Several others were as well. Anyone who had the misfortune not to experience it missed out.
he is right, it was like that at one time.the oLd winter finrus map with g-10s vs. la7s in the snow.was constant running battle with well practiced squads flying against one another on eaqual terms and it was a lot of fun.
turn off 200 and stop consorting with the enemy
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turn off 200 and stop consorting with the enemy
word.
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24 or 25 vs 10. While the suicide goons attempted to overwhelm 75 with an exemplary example of Russian human wave tactics, p1bongman and I made a run to pork ord, troops, and dar at not only the airbase, but we smashed the vbase behind it as well. Following the smashing we began sweeping towards 75. I landed 3 kills with 2 assists. p1bongman unfortunately went head to head on the sweep with an f6f and they both blew up (pretty good example of why I don't HO). Strat targets destroyed, and hopefully 3 or 4 vulch dweebs put in there place.
The above is why I like the AvA.
oh, and i think crims whined on 200 about the porking. LOL! I hope he was being sarcastic.
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