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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: lyric1 on March 10, 2008, 07:58:10 AM
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Can any one shed some light on this plane I don't have any other information except for this picture. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/21ff829ef5.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)
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I'm pretty sure it was an 8th AF Liberator. I'm trying to move so all my books are packed -- give me about 6 weeks and I'll let you know. :)
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448th Bomb Group out of Seething, England had some 24s painted up that way.
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Oh man that's sweet. Anyone willing to give it a go?
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Well after digging around & following a lead posted to my thread it turns out it is a b24 that was part of the 448th bomb group & was the lead ship for the 712th b/s It was called Rugged But Right. As you can see from the colour photo & compared to the black & white's as well as the profile that is in colour the nose art is not quite the same. Now this plane did survive the war & was returned to the United States so either it had some repainting done after the war or the picture has been touched up. The plane's number is 42-94953 & as you can see it is a H model so I don't know if that would exclude it from the game. Any thoughts? please post them. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/54ee8d28ae.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/403fd4a4c2.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/d1f42fce63.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/652d4166f7.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/b201ee1e2e.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)
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i thnk the only difference between this model and the one we have is the gun turrets,i may be wrong but i think it would be accepted
as it is basicaly the same aircraft.
Now if it had been a d model then that wouldnt
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I'll do that one if you like Lyric. Any turret-nosed Liberator should be OK as a skin.
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it looks interesting, probably be pretty hard to do tho
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are you going to do it greebo?i know you will make a better job of it then what i have got so far.
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I'd like to do it Roger, it looks an interesting skin. Getting the noseart to wrap round and avoiding the skin stretching will be a challenge.
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I was reading the book with these pictures in it & found a brief fact on this plane it was a 715th b/s plane & was later consolidated into the 712th b/s it flew 23 missions & the IO letters of the squadron may have been added later.
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go for it mate and good luck
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Lyric, get into skinning mate. You post some quality info.... give it a bash for yourself mate. It's time consuming but it isn't that difficult.
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Lyric, get into skinning mate. You post some quality info.... give it a bash for yourself mate. It's time consuming but it isn't that difficult.
Never have been able to do stuff from reading instructions I am the type that has to look over some ones shoulder to see how it is done. When I see how to do it it makes sense to me, my type of learning has a name how ever I can't remember it. :O Plus this plane is to cool for a hack like myself to do I would have had some one else do it to make it the best it could be for the game. So I am glad Greebo or one of the other fine skinners took the plunge on it. :aok
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Since it looks from the photos that the squadron flew with both the Emerson and Sperry front turrets it should be a 'go' in AH2.
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Would be a sweet addition.
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7568/308preview1nq2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Would be a sweet addition.
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7568/308preview1nq2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Well that is the nose art from my first post with the addition of the name. Do you have any more info on that plane? it would be interesting to see if there were two aircraft with similar nose art.
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the squadron tail markings are different,so would that mean a different bomb group?
i know nothing about bombers and there markings :frown:
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I've uploaded Rugged but Right to http://www.ah-skins.com/ (http://www.ah-skins.com/). There were a few problems trying to get the noseart to fit. The glass area on the AH B-24J is larger than on the B-24H and there are some stretching and mirroring bugs underneath the nose so I had to alter the shape of the mouth to fit. The front turret and the "eye" windows are a bit different too.
This site http://www.b24bestweb.com/ruggedbutright2.htm (http://www.b24bestweb.com/ruggedbutright2.htm) has a couple of pictures of the same aircraft with a less elaborate paintjob, before it was transferred to the 748th BG. They reckon it was transferred to the 715th BS, not the 712th, and carried the ID letters IO-C.
(http://www.b24bestweb.com/images/B24/RUGGEDBUTRIGHT2.JPG)
(http://www.ah-skins.com/skins/screenshot480.jpg)
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This is from the book The 448thbomb group (H) Liberators over Germany in world war 11. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/e4b9be1172.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) Also looking through the book the tail numbers are placed on the inside of the vertical stabilizer as well as the letter I is on the upper right wing on all the pictures I have of this bomber group.(http://www.picburst.com/uploads/843f6bfa15.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com). (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/57993c2cd6.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) Sorry Greebo I did not catch that sooner. Interesting that the picture you posted is not the same as the one from the book? Maybe there were two planes at some point or it was repainted? as you can see from the quote from the book the one in my photos started out as plane with another name? Well looking at the data it has the same tail number so it was a repainted at some point.
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the squadron tail markings are different,so would that mean a different bomb group?
i know nothing about bombers and there markings :frown:
Well looks like we have 2 planes that have similar nose art the tail markings are from the 308th bomb group & the 374th bomb squadron. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/cb4907ac24.gif) (http://www.picburst.com) Well here is the plane & links to it. http://www.b24bestweb.com/Pics-J-JUN-JUNGLE_P.htm
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Looks like the 308th b/g had a lot of sharks teeth painted planes. http://usaaf-in-cbi.com/308th_web/308_aircraft.htm
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I always like to see names & faces of those who flew these aircraft. Check under Vernon Ashby in the memories section. http://www.usaaf-in-cbi.com/308th_web/index.htm Plus it has more photos of this plane.
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I can add the inboard tail letter and numbers, the "I" on the wing and the fuselage "IO" code. Its just that without sufficient info to back it up HTC might object to the skin's authenticity. Do you have a photo of an OD B-24 with the yellow and black tail and the codes inboard, or a 715th BS aircraft with the "IO" codes on the fuselage?
I've also noticed that they greyed out the white in the stars and bars insignias so I'll change that too.
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Added the wing, fuselage and tail codes.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots4/715th_BS_B-24_SC1.jpg)
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I can add the inboard tail letter and numbers, the "I" on the wing and the fuselage "IO" code. Its just that without sufficient info to back it up HTC might object to the skin's authenticity. Do you have a photo of an OD B-24 with the yellow and black tail and the codes inboard, or a 715th BS aircraft with the "IO" codes on the fuselage?
I've also noticed that they greyed out the white in the stars and bars insignias so I'll change that too.
Here are some photos of 715th OD & a other 448th plane with markings on the tail for the most part almost none of the pictures I can find show any markings on the fuselage with squadron lettering OD or bare skin. How ever all the pictures I have show the I on the upper right wing. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/d246d1a35d.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/128ecdc19f.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/c622896205.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/f6b5070a3e.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)