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Title: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: bsdaddict on March 13, 2008, 11:52:44 AM
If you've been looking for an eloquent explanation why the USD is going to continue to lose value, here it is. Jim Rogers was on CNBC this morning, and to say he has a view contrary to everyone who has been praising the Fed as the savior of Wall Street is a HUGE understatement. When asked what he would do if he were chairman of the Fed, he said, "I would abolish the Federal Reserve and I would resign." :D

Check out the video below for more great quotes like, "No country in the world has ever succeeded by debasing its currency. That's what this man [Bernanke] is trying to do. He's trying to debase the currency as a way to revive America. It has never worked in the long term or the medium term."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6046520409389956642

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23588079 (article here, couldn't get the video in this one to play, hence the google link...)

Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: Thruster on March 13, 2008, 12:37:56 PM
On one hand he says "debasing" the dollar is bad but goes on to say he's long Swiss Franc and Yuan. Sounds like he's long bonds and is all for higher rates. He's not at all concerned about the street impact of inflation. He seems to be banking on it big time.
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: bsdaddict on March 13, 2008, 12:50:24 PM
On one hand he says "debasing" the dollar is bad but goes on to say he's long Swiss Franc and Yuan. Sounds like he's long bonds and is all for higher rates. He's not at all concerned about the street impact of inflation. He seems to be banking on it big time.
the fact that he's positioned himself to profit doesn't mean he's not concerned about inflation's impact.  His whole interview he was talking about how bad inflation, bailouts, etc., were...  wasn't till they asked him to switch gears and give some investment advice that he got into how he'll profit.
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: lasersailor184 on March 13, 2008, 01:00:24 PM
While I agree that there should be no bailouts, a low valued dollar is good for the economy.  It encourages foreign investors to either invest in the dollar itself, driving up the value, or use the favorable exchange rate to invest in growing companies.  The opposite is true when the dollar is really strong.


While it is not very stable, it does benefit a lot of people.
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: john9001 on March 13, 2008, 01:03:46 PM
he is just another speculator trying to "game the game".

the purpose of the fed is to prevent a run on the banks like what happened in the depression.

i could explain in more detail but i'm too lazy.
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: Lumpy on March 13, 2008, 02:10:58 PM
Trust Lasersailor to point out the silver lining of debasing; it is good that you're getting poorer, then you get to work more!  :lol
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: Shamus on March 13, 2008, 03:15:00 PM
Jim Rogers has been spot on for years.

It's the old main street vs wall street argument, I see the 70's returning.

The weakening dollar can not help but kick up inflation, especially in a country so dependent on imports.

Will manufacturing return due to the weak dollar? , in theory it should, but only time will tell and a lot of inflation pain will be experienced in the mean time.

shamus   
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: FrodeMk3 on March 13, 2008, 03:20:34 PM
Jim Rogers has been spot on for years.

It's the old main street vs wall street argument, I see the 70's returning.

The weakening dollar can not help but kick up inflation, especially in a country so dependent on imports.

Will manufacturing return due to the weak dollar? , in theory it should, but only time will tell and a lot of inflation pain will be experienced in the mean time.

shamus   

If that happens' Shamus, the dollar will be weaker and more over-inflated than the Peso. By that time, it will be too late for returning industry to save the American economy.
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: Shamus on March 13, 2008, 03:22:46 PM
If that happens' Shamus, the dollar will be weaker and more over-inflated than the Peso. By that time, it will be too late for returning industry to save the American economy.

I cant say that you are wrong, wish I could.

shamus
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: FrodeMk3 on March 13, 2008, 03:38:13 PM
Me too. The Economy's starting to feel the effect's of this inflationary trend, One which i'm afraid is only gonna get worse.
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: bsdaddict on March 13, 2008, 08:10:44 PM
on the bright side...  no ter'rist attacks since 9/11!!!!   :rock
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: Shamus on March 13, 2008, 09:24:18 PM
A rather odd punt...

I would think most are whistling thru the graveyard :)

shamus
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 14, 2008, 12:26:48 AM



While it is not very stable, it does benefit a lot of people.

Yea.
typically those that have alot of money already right? LOL
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: lasersailor184 on March 14, 2008, 01:21:00 AM
Corporations are evil!  They ruin the world!  Money is evil!  We should all give up our worldly possessions! 




Get a grip dred.  Grow up some time.


Someone who would immensely benefit from having a weak dollar is someone who has a small but growing company.  Which, unless I'm wrong, is what you have.
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: MORAY37 on March 14, 2008, 07:29:08 AM
While I agree that there should be no bailouts, a low valued dollar is good for the economy.  It encourages foreign investors to either invest in the dollar itself, driving up the value, or use the favorable exchange rate to invest in growing companies.  The opposite is true when the dollar is really strong.


While it is not very stable, it does benefit a lot of people.

Except in this case... everyone is putting their money in the Euro, as it is showing long term stability.  That, and the rest of the world really could care, right now, what happens to us.
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 14, 2008, 07:54:04 AM
Corporations are evil!  They ruin the world!  Money is evil!  We should all give up our worldly possessions! 




Get a grip dred.  Grow up some time.


Someone who would immensely benefit from having a weak dollar is someone who has a small but growing company.  Which, unless I'm wrong, is what you have.

Well I sure as hell havent seen any benifit from it.
What I see from a weak dollar is the ability of people to be able to spend less.
Which usually means I get less work.

Or in order to get the work to begin with I have to lower my prices.
While my workload is up from 2 winters ago.
My overall profits are down

That isnt getting a grip
That is facing reality
Title: Re: CNBC Jim Rogers: 'Abolish the Fed'
Post by: Thruster on March 14, 2008, 08:25:45 AM
Small, growing companies rarely if ever benefit from having their assets weaken in value, nor do they tend to flourish in a liquidity crunch. The idea that domestic investment by foreigners becomes more attractive as exchange rates become more liberal is kind of simplistic. You have to consider viability and repatriation into those equations.

The U.S. economy is still the single largest money machine in the world, by a huge margin. Remember, the Euro is dependent on the combined solvency of what.....19 different nations? I forget. Doesn't matter. The point is that without U.S. participation, the world starves. My feeling is that in time cost of carry and transportation will boost demand for domestically produced goods. Farther out we will benefit even more from our geography as the rest of the western hemisphere modernizes. We may see a contraction of the U.S.'s sphere of economic influence but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Competition creates strength and efficiency, the lack thereof creates waste and vulnerability.

What I did agree with was that the idea of the Federal Reserve trading paper with these lenders is a dangerous game. Not having any idea of what qualifiers were used or at what discount the exchange was made (if any) it seems as though theres an opportunity for these guys to scrub their books and distill their portfolios into A grade stock. Even if there are controls in place, the audits will be done by gov't employees and we all know the risks there. That's not what the Fed's supposed to do. These lenders need to crash and burn. As heartless as it sounds I think a major reset is in order and I for one think the pain should be born by those of us who contributed to this divergence.