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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: botkins on March 15, 2008, 03:24:55 PM
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Another item we need is the B-29 stratofortress. I mean who cant love that plane it won ww2 for us by droping the a-bombs on Japan It deserves to be in AHII even though it had technial difficulties it should be in aces high(atleast thats what I think)
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Did you happen to do a search on B-29 to see just how much this dead horse has already been beaten? There is far more to be done as far as updating existing aircraft to AH2 levels then spending time on another buff just to watch it dive bomb CV's.
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Nothing beats the introduction of a fresh, new idea! :aok
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Nothing beats the introduction of a fresh, new idea! :aok
Yeah any day now we will get another submarine thread.
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botkins, from now on do a search before u ask for something. Pretty sure it has been asked for before and the answer is the same as it was last time. No! :P
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Yeah any day now we will get another submarine thread.
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I think we get about 3 or 4 B-29 threads per sub thread, so we should be going through this about 2 more times.
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Nothing beats the introduction of a fresh, new idea! :aok
Yeah, too bad we don't get many of those any more.
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= another thread about the B29
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OK GUYS IAM REALLY GETTING PIZZED ABOUT THE B29 I LIKE IT SO SHUTUP AND STOP WITH THE BAD COMMENTS IDID DO RESEARCH ON IT AND I KNOW ITS FLAWED WHOCARES :furious
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OK GUYS IAM REALLY GETTING PIZZED ABOUT THE B29 I LIKE IT SO SHUTUP AND STOP WITH THE BAD COMMENTS IDID DO RESEARCH ON IT AND I KNOW ITS FLAWED WHOCARES :furious
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Botkins, you're not getting these replies because the B29 was flawed. If you would search the forums, you would see that the B29 is one of the most requested aircraft here. Next time search the forums before you post a thread to see if someone else has already posted it. If they have, simply log on and support their post.
That is all.
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OK GUYS IAM REALLY GETTING PIZZED ABOUT THE B29 I LIKE IT SO SHUTUP AND STOP WITH THE BAD COMMENTS IDID DO RESEARCH ON IT AND I KNOW ITS FLAWED WHOCARES :furious
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I think you meant to use this
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lmao
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This botkinz guy really irks me. The term idiot comes to mind... :eek:
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This botkinz guy really irks me. The term idiot comes to mind... :eek:
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Another item we need is the B-29 stratofortress. I mean who cant love that plane it won ww2 for us by droping the a-bombs on Japan It deserves to be in AHII even though it had technial difficulties it should be in aces high(atleast thats what I think)
I don't. The A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a dirty move, since Japan had already retreated. America killed hundred upon hundreds of civillians whom of which were unarmed. I'm sure the plane was great though. However, no self-respecting American should "love" the plane because it slaughtered innocent people.
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if we didnt nuke em we would most likely have been fighting for 1 or more years longer
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I don't. The A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a dirty move, since Japan had already retreated. America killed hundred upon hundreds of civillians whom of which were unarmed. I'm sure the plane was great though. However, no self-respecting American should "love" the plane because it slaughtered innocent people.
We had a big, long discussion about it in the O'club. One thing that was agreed on: The projected U.S. invasion of Japan, would have cost AT LEAST 500,000 U.S. casualties, with some projections' going as high as 1 million +. Japanese casualties were projected at a rate of at least 10-15x what ours' would have been. The A-bombs' didn't kill hundreds; they killed tens of thousands (@80,000, each.) That, however, was a lot less than any invasion. So in a sense, it was the best, most humanitarian way to end the war.
As far as the plane itself goes, the B-29 was an important plane. However, it has been asked for many times before. The search function should help, there.
Sorry, Mods, next time I'll confine any political discourse to the O'club, where it belongs. However, the post I quoted will probably still bring responses' such as mine, probably more vitriolic.
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civillians whom of which were unarmed.
Yeah and Iraqis are unarmed too...
I would bet my life if we invaded, the land of the rising sun would arm women and children too to defend their emperor.
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Yeah and Iraqis are unarmed too...
I would bet my life if we invaded, the land of the rising sun would arm women and children too to defend their emperor.
This fact was proven
Japan had already mobilized a army of "the people" using rakes, clubs, fists.. anything, to fight to the last man woman and child for their "god"
the level of their commitment was proven all to well when the US started capturing islands and the Japanese Civilians living on them began committing mass suicide.
women would throw their own children from cliffs before jumping themselves..
the A-bombs saved far more Japanese than it did Americans
had we chose not to drop them, the Japanese would be an extinct civilization existing only in the pages of history.
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Hmm, how about thee search button! :aok
A nuke did no more damage than a standard air raid so if you really want the damage, get some squadies or friends to up b24's or lanc's with you, but I don't think any of us want a plane where a few guys can take down the whole map.
HT's said it isn't ever gonna come, so DROP it.
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And of course NO b29 thread would be complete without!!
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WOOWOO!!
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lmao never gets old
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the A-bombs saved far more Japanese than it did Americans
had we chose not to drop them, the Japanese would be an extinct civilization existing only in the pages of history.
Shouldn't this be O Club over beers?
1. I wouldn't be here to annoy you had we invaded Japan. My dad was a nose gunner in B24s, cocked, locked, and ready to invade and most likely would never have come home. He was there at the time and lived on the airfields, and his commentary was "The Japanese would not have seen the sun or the moon for all the aircraft overhead". After our experience on Okinawa we were as ready as you could be to finish it. They were getting so many aircraft in from the mainland that anything with a scratch was junked so there'd be room for the new arrivals.
2. The bombs also did a lovely job of keeping Stalin in check. He declared war after the first and before the second so he cold do a land grab at the last minute. The Soviets were not in a position to keep loosing men, so he wasn't about to declare until the battle was won.
Truman's decision will be forever debated and I genuinely doubt we will ever know all the circumstances. As for me...I've see far worse things done with less justification.
8 to go.
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OK GUYS IAM REALLY GETTING PIZZED ABOUT THE B29 I LIKE IT SO SHUTUP AND STOP WITH THE BAD COMMENTS IDID DO RESEARCH ON IT AND I KNOW ITS FLAWED WHOCARES :furious
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OK GUYS IAM REALLY GETTING PIZZED ABOUT THE B29 I LIKE IT SO SHUTUP AND STOP WITH THE BAD COMMENTS IDID DO RESEARCH ON IT AND I KNOW ITS FLAWED WHOCARES :furious
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Guys leave him alone. Alot of you just put up negative stuff for EVERYTHING. I almost never see half of you get any good ideas. Most come from people new to the forums or from people who actually want something. So unless you have a request for a plane that alot of people would like to see, shut it. :mad: :furious
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ya guyz adz 7h3 6-29 cuz u can drop teh n00k n pwnzor 6uku n00bs :rock and they 6 like n0 wai u h4xxorz!!! and we be lik cri cri 5um moar n00bs. 7h@7 wud 6 3p!k ]_0]_2
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I don't. The A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a dirty move, since Japan had already retreated. America killed hundred upon hundreds of civillians whom of which were unarmed. I'm sure the plane was great though. However, no self-respecting American should "love" the plane because it slaughtered innocent people.
Go find a tree an start a huggin' man. I am glad they were dropped. They were warned to surrender and yet they did not. Blame their leadership for not backing down. That move shortened the war and saved us numerous troops lives that would have inevitably been needed to actually continue with the invasions of the Japanese home island. I am proud of the engineers that designed the bombs, the ones that modified the B-29 to cary it and the actual unmodified aircraft as well. I do not believe that Japan is owed squat for an apology, they started a war and we finished it. Case closed.
But yeah, I would like to see an un-modified conventional payload ONLY B-29. Perhaps have it only enabled at certian rear bases like the 163 to prevent it's use as a suicide dive bomber. Oh yeah and perk the snot out of it. :aok
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Guys leave him alone. Alot of you just put up negative stuff for EVERYTHING. I almost never see half of you get any good ideas. Most come from people new to the forums or from people who actually want something. So unless you have a request for a plane that alot of people would like to see, shut it. :mad: :furious
Try the search button. Youll see the MANY reasons. People like you two waste time and forum space asking fo rthe same crap that has been DENIED by HTC many times over again. Hell, this kid asked for the F-86!!! So really, use the search, then activate both of your brain cells, and see if this is REALLY worth posting.
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Try the search button. Youll see the MANY reasons. People like you two waste time and forum space asking fo rthe same crap that has been DENIED by HTC many times over again. Hell, this kid asked for the F-86!!! So really, use the search, then activate both of your brain cells, and see if this is REALLY worth posting.
Hey genius, find a thread of me asking for a B-29. I've never personally asked for a B-29. I've asked for a "dweeb" plane and now were getting it. The p-39. I havent seen you ask for anything good. Mostly now, all i do is ask about planes. I dont even want anymore. So just let him have fun. Quit being such a buzz kill to the newer guys.
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Hey genius, find a thread of me asking for a B-29. I've never personally asked for a B-29. I've asked for a "dweeb" plane and now were getting it. The p-39. I havent seen you ask for anything good. Mostly now, all i do is ask about planes. I dont even want anymore. So just let him have fun. Quit being such a buzz kill to the newer guys.
I've requested a few, the black widow?? Love to see that, or how about the FW200 Condor? That'd be a BLAST. The b29 has been said it will NOT be added by HT, and a simple search would of proven that a million times over, no b29.
Plus, I wouldn't really consider the p-39 a dweeb plane, a tad bit or research would prove that, compare it to oh say a n1k...
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Well, that's not what they were telling me when I asked for it. But it seems the newer people are the only ones really putting forth effort to ask for new planes. I'd ask but I already got the P-39. Maybe the Yak7 or the Mig 3. I bet they would say to that "that's a dweebish plane, you dont need it!!"
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Yak7 was in the latest official pool that led to the B25....we may be able to have it one day and I really hope so.
I don't know if the mig3 fills any gaps in scenarios, but it was for sure a crappy plane :)
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Hey genius, find a thread of me asking for a B-29. I've never personally asked for a B-29. I've asked for a "dweeb" plane and now were getting it. The p-39. I havent seen you ask for anything good. Mostly now, all i do is ask about planes. I dont even want anymore. So just let him have fun. Quit being such a buzz kill to the newer guys.
First, as far as me asking for things, I dont want much. Id give my left nut for a B-17F, and Id give BOTH for the He-111,
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Second, trust me, you WERENT instrumental in getting the P-39. It was on the drawing board LONG before you joined the game.
Third, P-39 is no dweeb plane. Wait until you use it. Theres a reason it never replaced the Spitfire or P-51, or really any other plane we have (Except maybe the P-40).
Fourth, im not being a buzzkill, im pointing out his lack of forthought. So please, un-twist your panties and think before you post.
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Funny how pple think the game started when they signed up.
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Funny how pple think the game started when they signed up.
No, but pretty darn close. It was late beta by then.
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Wasn't that the Yak3 in the voting?
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Wasn't that the Yak3 in the voting?
My bad its the Yak3, which is derived from the Yak7
No, but pretty darn close. It was late beta by then.
I started in 2000, had no other flightsim experience, took me a while to catch up ! But that is off topic....whats the topic again ? huh yes B29 thread #324 that should be on the wishlist.
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Another item we need is the B-29 stratofortress. I mean who cant love that plane it won ww2 for us by droping the a-bombs on Japan It deserves to be in AHII even though it had technial difficulties it should be in aces high(atleast thats what I think)
Please oh please, let this poor squeaker have a life! :pray
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First, as far as me asking for things, I dont want much. Id give my left nut for a B-17F, and Id give BOTH for the He-111,
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Second, trust me, you WERENT instrumental in getting the P-39. It was on the drawing board LONG before you joined the game.
Third, P-39 is no dweeb plane. Wait until you use it. Theres a reason it never replaced the Spitfire or P-51, or really any other plane we have (Except maybe the P-40).
Fourth, im not being a buzzkill, im pointing out his lack of forthought. So please, un-twist your panties and think before you post.
HE-111 picture and all below :aok
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I kinda wish we'd gotten the big-brother of the P-39, the P-63 King Cobra. That one was produced in pretty decent numbers, and it had the performance to see alot of use in the LW...
It wasn't used much by US forces because of the similar performance figures to the Pony, if I remember correctly, so it went to the Soviets.
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all idiots, and specifically those that have posted in this thread (many) are proof that AH needs, and in fact, deserves the B29 :lol
There will eventually come a day, if HT lives long enough, where he will say "We have done everything...there is nothing left to do but one thing, a B29".
It too, will come to pass :confused:
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I believe the B-29 release date is being decided on the inverse thread law: For each new B-29 thread, the release date gets put back one month. Currently it is scheduled for March 2063..... :D
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wheres my money!
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Alright, well I heard HTC is modelling the B-29 and it will be ready in around 4 months. Just from what I'm hearing. :aok
May be wrong though.
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Oh this is a nice selection in crank bait. What test line you using? :D
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I was told in DA by "AHII Staff" so I'm just spreading what I'm hearing. It was kind of a complicated name. It was like CC4A or something like that. But that is what I'm hearing. No n00k of course lol.
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I was told in DA by "AHII Staff" so I'm just spreading what I'm hearing. It was kind of a complicated name. It was like CC4A or something like that. But that is what I'm hearing. No n00k of course lol.
That is not "AH Staff", you just bit really stinky bait. .
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Anyone have 'load to range' charts for the B-29?
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That is not "AH Staff", you just bit really stinky bait. .
yep that's what I'm thinking. But I was told by more than 1 person who were "AHII" staff. Personally I think it's just a lie. There are many many planes and vehicles we need before the B-29. (HE-111!!!!!!!)
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yep that's what I'm thinking. But I was told by more than 1 person who were "AHII" staff. Personally I think it's just a lie. There are many many planes and vehicles we need before the B-29. (HE-111!!!!!!!)
You my friend, are the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of hearing if you truly believe you were told that.
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Well, I think the b29 should then be ready in 2 weeks angels :)
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You my friend, are the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of hearing if you truly believe you were told that.
I didn't
You my friend are the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of hearing if you truly believe that I belived that. :D
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I Think HTC Will Continue To Cockblock Our Wishes Into Oblivion
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I already got my plane wish the P-39!! I love that thing :P
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I didn't
You my friend are the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of hearing if you truly believe that I belived that. :D
That may have been a clever comeback, had you not misspelled 'beleived'.
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I Think HTC Will Continue To Cockblock Our Wishes Into Oblivion
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I Think HTC Will Continue To Cockblock Our Wishes Into Oblivion
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we need b29 because it is cool
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Has ANYONE actually searched for "B29" or "B-29" yet??
Cause I just did, and got 3 results. So people, unless I did something wrong when I searched, why don't you actually take 10 seconds and search yourselves, BEFORE accusing someone else of not searching.
A nuke did no more damage than a standard air raid so if you really want the damage, get some squadies or friends to up b24's or lanc's with you, but I don't think any of us want a plane where a few guys can take down the whole map.
HT's said it isn't ever gonna come, so DROP it.
You seriously think that a nuke did no more damage than a standard air raid? Ok, maybe the firebombings had a higher death toll, I'm not sure, but they can hardly be considered 'standard'. Most air raids at least left the shells of buildings standing. Not so in Hiroshima. Not so in Nagasaki. Large parts of those cities were FLATTENED. So, Mr Arrogant Idiot, why don't YOU do a search next time, on Google, and make sure your facts are correct before you use them to criticise someone else.
We had a big, long discussion about it in the O'club. One thing that was agreed on: The projected U.S. invasion of Japan, would have cost AT LEAST 500,000 U.S. casualties, with some projections' going as high as 1 million +. Japanese casualties were projected at a rate of at least 10-15x what ours' would have been. The A-bombs' didn't kill hundreds; they killed tens of thousands (@80,000, each.) That, however, was a lot less than any invasion. So in a sense, it was the best, most humanitarian way to end the war.
As far as the plane itself goes, the B-29 was an important plane. However, it has been asked for many times before. The search function should help, there.
I'm very glad you had a nice little chat about it in the O'Club. I would like to express my regrets, however, that nothing remotely intelligent came out of it. I won't even ask how you arrived at those figures, but I would like to point out that I don't believe you can justify killing civilians just because the death toll may/may not have been "a lot less than any invasion."
And "the best, most humanitarian way to end the war"? Seriously? ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL. Think about that someday, why don't you?
Go find a tree an start a huggin' man. I am glad they were dropped. They were warned to surrender and yet they did not. Blame their leadership for not backing down. That move shortened the war and saved us numerous troops lives that would have inevitably been needed to actually continue with the invasions of the Japanese home island. I am proud of the engineers that designed the bombs, the ones that modified the B-29 to cary it and the actual unmodified aircraft as well. I do not believe that Japan is owed squat for an apology, they started a war and we finished it. Case closed.
But yeah, I would like to see an un-modified conventional payload ONLY B-29. Perhaps have it only enabled at certian rear bases like the 163 to prevent it's use as a suicide dive bomber. Oh yeah and perk the snot out of it. :aok
Go find a cactus and hug it, you ass. Do you really, really think that atomic bomb should have been dropped on civilians, not unlike you or me? A military target would have been justifiable. But a civilian target, which did debateable (sp?) amounts of damage to the Japanese war effort, but which had undeniably devastating consequences for tens of thousands of innocent people, is unjustifiable.
I do not think that the Japanese Government is owed an apology for the detonation of two nuclear weapons on its soil. As you said , they started a war, and we finished it. However, I believe that an apology is required from the United States Government to all those killed by the bombs, and to all the families who were affected by it.
In my opinion, dropping the bombs a few miles offshore, within sight of the Japanese Emperor, would have been just as effective.
I know this is aggressive and long winded, but I don't like to see people accusing others of not doing something that they themselves haven't done, or claiming/implying that one person is more important than another, or trying to justify the killing of tens of thousands of civilians.
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I didn't
You my friend are the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of hearing if you truly believe that I belived that. :D
Wow... I COULD explain what this little comeback does to people's oppinion of you, but I dont think you could comprehend just what is being said, so its really not worth my time. So I will just say this. Some people just shouldnt be allowed to reproduce. I think your parents might be some of those people.
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You seriously think that a nuke did no more damage than a standard air raid? Ok, maybe the firebombings had a higher death toll, I'm not sure, but they can hardly be considered 'standard'. Most air raids at least left the shells of buildings standing. Not so in Hiroshima. Not so in Nagasaki. Large parts of those cities were FLATTENED. So, Mr Arrogant Idiot, why don't YOU do a search next time, on Google, and make sure your facts are correct before you use them to criticise someone else.
Actually yes, the nuke did as much damage, if not less, why don't you search a touch? I'm taking my findings from 1) a flying tiger; Avenger pilot, and american fighter pilot (David Lee Hill) 2) many historical books, one that it repeats it in MANY times is 'Flyboys; A true story of American Courage' suggest you read it some.
and finally 3) the emporer of Japan at the time who is quoted saying 'The nuke did not lose the war for me, it just helped me make up my mind' so, good idea to double check some mate :]
Pacific war airstrikes were hella tough, usually being a few HUNDRED bombers, and one noted as taking 543 b29's. Hmm, 543 b29's... or 1 nuke... wonder which has more of a damage capacity... b29 can't be searched for because it isn't enough characters, and b-29 won't get many results cause most people don't use the -, so search superfortress, go back a few pages etc... Not so tough.
I'm very glad you had a nice little chat about it in the O'Club. I would like to express my regrets, however, that nothing remotely intelligent came out of it. I won't even ask how you arrived at those figures, but I would like to point out that I don't believe you can justify killing civilians just because the death toll may/may not have been "a lot less than any invasion."
And "the best, most humanitarian way to end the war"? Seriously? ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL. Think about that someday, why don't you?
Hmm, in Japan, NOONE was a civilian when the bombs were dropped, people were trained to be kamikazies, any male over the age of 60 and female over I do believe 45 was ordered to be killed as they were not seen as 'fighting fit' and were just taking away from food after the shortage. Schools were changed into military acadamies, plus, call it a hunch, if americans were on their beaches, the jap civilians wouldn't of been going 'My oh my!! The americans are here! Whatever shall we do!' rather, they'd do what they were told to, find a long pointy stick, and charge to their death, so yeah, it was the most humanitarian thing to do. Plus, if all people are equal, then all japs were soldiers, therefore all japs shoulda had a death sentence on their head at the time, suck on that one :]
Think, it might hurt, but think.
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Hmm, in Japan, NOONE was a civilian when the bombs were dropped, people were trained to be kamikazies, any male over the age of 60 and female over I do believe 45 was ordered to be killed as they were not seen as 'fighting fit' and were just taking away from food after the shortage. Schools were changed into military acadamies, plus, call it a hunch, if americans were on their beaches, the jap civilians wouldn't of been going 'My oh my!! The americans are here! Whatever shall we do!' rather, they'd do what they were told to, find a long pointy stick, and charge to their death, so yeah, it was the most humanitarian thing to do. Plus, if all people are equal, then all japs were soldiers, therefore all japs shoulda had a death sentence on their head at the time, suck on that one :]
Think, it might hurt, but think.
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B-29 Threads Are The Best.
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A better way of putting it is the nuke gave Hirohito reason enough to end the war. Peace feelers had been out for some time anyways and in Hirohito's head the nation family couldnt give up to early or they would have felt cheated and dishonored. Remember under the Shinto religion of the time the Emperor was considered divine and was the equal of Jesus Christ in the eyes of the Japanese.
Due to the construction of Japanese cities and home industry conventional and incendiary bombs flattened entire city districts as well.
People who lived these times would laugh at the notion bombing the ocean would have brought the Japanese to their knees. Even with hitting two of their cities there was considerable pressure to keep fighting. There was even sentiment to subvert the Emperor. So anything less then destroying the cities would have been meaningless to the Japanese. Hirohito "said" a lot of things. Some of which he even meant. In Japan words have double meanings and they dont consider Lies "Lies" if they save face. Hirohito's main objective was to save the Imperial family and protect them from war crimes prosecutions.
Indeed MacArthur did shield them from being prosecuted. Not one member of the Imperial family was prosecuted for war crimes despite the fact they were deeply involved in war planning and atrocities.
Much of Japans home industry was dispersed into residential areas of Tokyo. Most of all the small machine shops that made critical war components for weapons systems. So there was, and is, a valid argument that firebombing was a legitimate tactic against Japanese industry. Plus there is the fact that killing the workers crippled industrial production.
Japan enslaved countless millions and committed about every kind of atrocity the human being could possibly dream up. From enslaving tens of thousands of woman and putting them into rape houses, to chem/bio experiments, to mass murder on a barbaric scale. And even to this day they have a problem with "apologies" or even teaching their children what really happened in the war. And you think we should apologize to them?
But I guess in the White western culture of 2008 its very fashionable to feel guilty and apologize.
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Has ANYONE actually searched for "B29" or "B-29" yet??
Blah Blah blah blah....
Oh yeah man, Japan deserves an apology. My bulbuous rump they do! Don't forget the attrocities that they comitted, unless you just sympathise with the enemy that much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crime
So at any rate Jane Fonda, you can pull that wad of panties outta your buttocks and relax before denouncing the actions of the land I love, the land my loved ones have fought for and are still serving for today. The bombs did shorten the war as Japan would have fought to the last man anyway, wich in that event we would have been killing civilians any way. Deal with it! It is as it is, history irrevocabbly marches twords it's end despite hindsight or lammentation. If you feel remorse the so be it, however I do not. It was justified, they surrendered and the war ended.
At any rate, this thread I believe was started as yet another request for a plane, so to that end I turn it back over to that request.
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Inhumane Biological Experiments
Use Of Chemical Weapons
Forced Famine
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Cannibalism
Forced Prostitution
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Yep, B-29 threads, the funny thing is after 10 replies they all look the same. :rolleyes:
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Ok, I understand your points, and at least partially agree with them. The Japanese committed countless atrocities in WWII, and to that end no apology is owed. However, IMO it was the Japanese military/government that was responsible for those acts, not the civilians.
trigger2, I took my information from before/after pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and before/after pictures of cities such as Dresden. And your comment about
in Japan, NOONE was a civilian when the bombs were dropped, people were trained to be kamikazies, any male over the age of 60 and female over I do believe 45 was ordered to be killed as they were not seen as 'fighting fit' and were just taking away from food after the shortage. Schools were changed into military acadamies, plus, call it a hunch, if americans were on their beaches, the jap civilians wouldn't of been going 'My oh my!! The americans are here! Whatever shall we do!' rather, they'd do what they were told to, find a long pointy stick, and charge to their death, so yeah, it was the most humanitarian thing to do. Plus, if all people are equal, then all japs were soldiers, therefore all japs shoulda had a death sentence on their head at the time, suck on that one :]
Think, it might hurt, but think.
Aaahhh....I am thinking...and the only pain I'm feeling is about the extreme stupidity exhibited in your above statement.
Rich46yo, thank you for making basically the only coherent reply to my post. I don't know too much about the points you made, however I would just like to point out that:
a) I do not think that the atrocities committed by Japan during World War II justify killing civilians by the tens of thousands, partly because I doubt the (majority of the) civilians were directly responsible for these acts, and
b) this is more of a general point, but if one country kills 1,000 innocent people, surely another country doing the same thing, in retaliation, is just lowering itself to the level of the first country. Please don't get me wrong on this...I'm not condoning/agreeing with anything the Japanese did during World War II, I just thought that should be considered.
DaddyAck, my response to Rich's post largely applies to your's as well. I never denounced the USA, I just said (or at least meant to say) that I feel the nukes should have been dropped on a military target, not a civilian one. However, since what's done can't be undone, I think that it might be right for a US leader to say that it would have been better to drop the nukes on a non-civilian area, as the war (as far as I can tell) was against the military, not the civilians.
I think it's time this thread was Skuzzyified/locked/put back on topic.
In response to the original post, I would like to see a B-29 in game, but without the nuke, and I also think there are many other planes that should be added first.
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Yoss, Lets hug an move on... Agreed? :D
Seriously though,
Thats the great part about this place, we disagree then we make up and move on.
<extends hand to shake Yossarian's>
:salute
(B29 would be great with standard bombload only)
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Yeah We Don't Need A Nuke, It DID Do Other Things Y'Know
And Besides, The Enola Gay Needed To Be Modified To Carry The Little Boy
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Who makes the war machines and other necessities to keep the military in the field?
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Yoss, Lets hug an move on... Agreed? :D
Seriously though,
Thats the great part about this place, we disagree then we make up and move on.
<extends hand to shake Yossarian's>
:salute
(B29 would be great with standard bombload only)
Agreed :salute
I guess these online communities aren't too different from RL except that here you don't actually know who the other people are.
Does anyone have any data on how thick the B-29's armour was?
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Yossarian
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OMG, I May Vomit... Read The Wiki Guys.
Forced Prostitution
Nice to see some things never change! :D :devil
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OK GUYS IAM REALLY GETTING PIZZED ABOUT THE B29 I LIKE IT SO SHUTUP AND STOP WITH THE BAD COMMENTS IDID DO RESEARCH ON IT AND I KNOW ITS FLAWED WHOCARES :furious
-botkins :mad:
No way this is real. :rolleyes:
-Sik
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ACHTUNG, PANZER!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rich46yo, thank you for making basically the only coherent reply to my post. I don't know too much about the points you made, however I would just like to point out that:
a) I do not think that the atrocities committed by Japan during World War II justify killing civilians by the tens of thousands, partly because I doubt the (majority of the) civilians were directly responsible for these acts, and
b) this is more of a general point, but if one country kills 1,000 innocent people, surely another country doing the same thing, in retaliation, is just lowering itself to the level of the first country. Please don't get me wrong on this...I'm not condoning/agreeing with anything the Japanese did during World War II, I just thought that should be considered.
There'in lies the paradox doesnt it? In the eyes of the Japanese leadership no one person, or group of persons, was directly responsible for the war crimes committed by the Japanese. In the Japanese view the entire "Nation family" was responsible. And of course the entire nation wasnt responsible for war crimes. We didn't give every Japanese a war crimes trial now did we?
No disrespect but there weren't very many Liberals like you in 1945 America. Most American families had sons fighting in the war and in their eyes the lives of their kids were more important then the lives of the Japanese. Such views were far more difficult to have in the 1940s. We were locked in a terrible war against enemies who would surely annihilate us if given the chance and we just weren't a nation that second guessed ourselves to the point of paralysis as we are today.
We didn't have the kind of highly accurate weapons we have today back in 1945. And even if we did there was the question of the highly dispersed Japanese home industry. We were also fighting against an enemy that was sworn to fight us to the death, and that included woman and children. There were quite simply no alternatives to killing them on a mass scale and for that sad reality the entire Japanese nation family WAS responsible.
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I agree with the points you're making there, but I still think that the nukes should not have been dropped on cities, but rather on areas of great strategic importance.
Whilst the civilians may very well have been willing to fight the Americans to the death, I think that it would have been far more "just" (not the right word, I know) to drop the bombs on military bases, or similar things. I would have thought that breaking the morale of the Japanese army would have been a higher priority than doing so for the civilians.
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Yossarian