I know Im going to get bombarded with people telling me I need to learn to ride the high perk planes, but how about this suggestion? Get rid of disabling the low eny planes and perking them when the sides are unbalanced. I love my lancs and for 3 days, I havent been able to fly them in LW blue due to a steady high 20 eny. I know there is another arena, but why leave squaddies?
Also, I would like to see HT perk bomber loadouts. The lancs max load in ww2 was 20k. Imagine how much devistation that would cause!!! and besides, there is NO other option for me to use my bomber perks other than flying the 234 :furious
Example if a la7 is eny of 5 and the game has an eny of 10 Y cant you charge a perk of 5 so we can still fly eny of 5 pluss paid perks of 5 = the 10 game hasI don't know how hard that would be to program but I'd be all for some form of that. I hate that I'm at the mercy of ENY to fly the plane I want to have fun in for my 15 bux! :rolleyes: :frown:
well iam sorry to say
i do not understand Y I countinue to pay for agame that I Cannot fly the plaines i like
I understand trying to make it fair
butt Need to find a way to add a perk cost when eny is high so you can still fly what you whant!!
Example if a la7 is eny of 5 and the game has an eny of 10 Y cant you charge a perk of 5 so we can still fly eny of 5 pluss paid perks of 5 = the 10 game has
also further
I dont believe that generals in war would tell the fighters that enemy is low on polits today . so we instead of flying la7 we are gana fly b109 to kep things fair
not trying to start a big issue here
butt just letting some know this is not fair
in some ways it is decriminating againest Me and the side i fly for
Switch countries.Dang, you beat me to it. ^ What he said.
If the ENY is too high for you, it means you have too many people on your team. Switch to another country and fly what you like.
Switch countries.I don't switch countries for the sake of ENY. I might as well play some FPS game if I cared that little of which side I was fighting for. :confused:
If the ENY is too high for you, it means you have too many people on your team. Switch to another country and fly what you like.
But if I've already been flying that Mustang for days, what's fair about being told to take that P-40 cuz we're puttin' a whoopin' on the other side! :rolleyes:
It's all in how you look at it. "I'm sorry General Kenney, I want that new Mustang they're writing about in Yank magazine. I won't fly this P-400 against the Zeros today cause it's not fair!"
Every side thinks they are suffering when ENY pops. how frustrating is it when there is a CV offshore an enemy airfeild and all thats available is a B5N or LVT :furious
OMG yall have eny too!!!!!!!! :O
ive played for 2 1/2 years now and every time i log on its rooks that have eny,,,,,,,,, always,,,,,,,,,, :cry
:lol < :salute>
But if I've already been flying that Mustang for days, what's fair about being told to take that P-40 cuz we're puttin' a whoopin' on the other side! :rolleyes:im sure if you kept getting shot down eventually they would run out of them
I would like to say this first (fix it!!!!!!!!!) or remove it. It is not our fault that other country players don't log on as much why beat on the loyal players. :mad:when you play basketball in the neighborhood, what happens if everyone wants to be on the same team?
Every side thinks they are suffering when ENY pops. how frustrating is it when there is a CV offshore an enemy airfeild and all thats available is a B5N or LVT :furiousWhen that happens you are sure to have enough excess population in your country to storm the beaches like lemmings in your "inferior" equipment.
When that happens you are sure to have enough excess population in your country to storm the beaches like lemmings in your "inferior" equipment.Its pretty hard to "storm the beaches" when most are in the towers
Who cares that you can't fly a late war ride for like 30 minutes. Try something new. There are plenty of planes that you may really enjoy that have high ENY.I care... it's my 15 bux!
But if I've already been flying that Mustang for days, what's fair about being told to take that P-40 cuz we're puttin' a whoopin' on the other side! :rolleyes:
OMG yall have eny too!!!!!!!! :O
ive played for 2 1/2 years now and every time i log on its rooks that have eny,,,,,,,,, always,,,,,,,,,, :cry
:lol < :salute>
What this thread amounts to is"whaaaaa :cry i want to fly MY La7"You haven't been reading the posts dude :rolleyes:
Dang, you beat me to it. ^ What he said.
What this thread amounts to is"whaaaaa :cry i want to fly MY La7"actually its, whaaa I cant beat anyone in an equal plane i wont have the advantage..........
Im with ya on this Tralfz everytime we start to win the war our eny starts to climb to a point where we cant fly anything usefull, its not our fault the enemy gives up and leaves the arena. If i work for 3 or 4 days to win a war im sure not gonna jump ship to go help a country i spent the last 72 hours or more trying to defeat. Somethin needs to be done. :salute
I would like to make a point of some irregularities that I have seen with ENY
Example:
Sat, in the Orange arena bish were outnumbered by at least 40+ and the knits and rooks had an eny of around 2-5 , at the same time in the Blue arena the bish outnumbered knits and rooks by 40+ we had a steady eny of 15-20.
I don't switch countries for the sake of ENY. I might as well play some FPS game if I cared that little of which side I was fighting for.
Wait. It makes a difference which chess piece we fly for??? :huh:aok
If it were up to me, I'd just perk the Spixteen all of the time and be done with it. :devil Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to dodge the insults of the easy-mode lovers... :lol
But if I've already been flying that Mustang for days, what's fair about being told to take that P-40 cuz we're puttin' a whoopin' on the other side! :rolleyes:
ENY does not have the desired effect of “EQAULIZING” the game. Bish repeatedly demonstrates that by winning maps with ENY as high at 25 before.
when eny kicks in u can cut that list in half
Every side thinks they are suffering when ENY pops. how frustrating is it when there is a CV offshore an enemy airfeild and all thats available is a B5N or LVT :furious
Im with ya on this Tralfz everytime we start to win the war our eny starts to climb to a point where we cant fly anything usefull, its not our fault the enemy gives up and leaves the arena. If i work for 3 or 4 days to win a war im sure not gonna jump ship to go help a country i spent the last 72 hours or more trying to defeat. Somethin needs to be done. :salute
geeezz folks, its a legit grip. eny bytes. limits my choices. i dont want to go to another country and maby i dont want to fly a g4 or p40.
Alky, there are any number of examples where squadrons or groups had to give up their favorite ride for one they didn't want, due to attrition etc.
133 Eagle had some of the first Spit IXs. They lost a bunch on the infamous Morlaix mission. They went back to Spit Vs. 354th FG who were first in Mustangs, had to give them up for Jugs. 39th FS who were first in 38s in the Pacific had to give them up for Jugs. I could go on and on.
They flew what they were given and told to fly.
As for limited choices as someone else mentioned.
This is what someone with 8000+ posts has to say,,, my the rhetoric you must have posted out there.
This is what you came up with to justify ENY?? If so, can you explain it so that we all understand how this solves the issue of ALL the things that so many a us are against ENY.
American
A-20G
B-17G
B-24J
B-25C
B-25H
B-26B
C-47A
F4F-4
F4U-1
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5
FM2
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-40B
P-40E
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-40
P-47N
P-51B
P-51D Mustang
SBD-5
TBM-3
British
Boston Mk III
Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IIC
Hurricane Mk IID
Lancaster III
Mosquito Mk VI
Seafire Mk II
Spitfire Mk I
Spitfire Mk V
Spitfire Mk VIII
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XIV
Spitfire Mk XVI
Tempest Mk V
Typhoon Mk I
German
Ar 234B
Bf 109E-4
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 109G-14
Bf 109K-4
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Ju 87D-3
Ju 88A-4
Me 163
Me 262
Ta 152H
Italian
C.202
C.205
Japanese
A6M2
A6M5b
B5N2
D3A1
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-67
Ki-84-la
N1K2-J
Russian
Il-2 Type 3
La-5FN
La-7
Yak-9T
Yak-9U
Yep, not any other planes to choose from :rolleyes:
So 40 planes to choose from isn't enough? You can only fly 1 at a time :)
agree murdr...but with all fairness it really hasnt been that lopsided in awhile..ENY must be doing it's function as intended then :)
Here's my gripe. I didn't like consistantly logging on for five months on end (with only one MA at the time), to consistantly find the same country out numbering the other two combined. Talk about limiting choices! So ya'll can go pound sand for all I care. Whiners.
Another one???:huh
If your going to put in some input,, at least be contructive, and read ALL the posts so you know what the issues are...... whinee
Cold hard facts.
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These planes arent THAT different performance wise, despite being seperated by 10-15 eny. Honestly, I dont like the eny values assigned... Spit9 should be 15, as well as the La5, IMO.
But when you are riding the edge of performance every bit counts, thats like saying an Indy car and NASCAR arent THAT different in performance wise...... give me a break...
:huh
don't think that was intended to be insulting.
It doesnt matter in the MA, for the most part. Most pilots there suck, and you dont need to push your aircraft that hard. Hell, I've kicked the tulips of multiple La7 pilots in a 109E (40 eny), the oldest plane in the set, until they put their nose down and run. And I wasnt flying it because of eny, I was flying it for fun.
Another one???The issue is a number of you people want to whine about not being able to fly what you want, where you want, with whom you want, one the country you want. But actually you can, as long as it is not sabotaging gameplay for everyone else in the arena. If it will, you can still do 3 out of 4, but that's not good enough. Too bad. ENY is exactly in the game for that reason...Too many stuborn people who refuse to make small consessions, and avoid wrecking gameplay for everyone else.
If your going to put in some input,, at least be contructive, and read ALL the posts so you know what the issues are...... whinee
It does matter in the MA, WE, US players in MA are just as good as anyone else, if given the oppurtunity to fly what they want.. If you dont fly in the MA than this is no concern to you either than is it.I do fly in the MA. Not as much as I used to (I also fly in the AvA now), but I do.
You can leave it to us NEWBS, to figure it out so that its fair for all.
how was it wrecking game play the way it was before eny? i always had a blast. if the other side got too big to fight against, i'd move to another sector. my choice.
because they maintain the tactical advantage, not the numbers. I would gladley be willing to have it where it is EVEN, amount of pilots from each side in an areana than to have ENY be the factor.I hate to tell ya, but if the numbers are even there IS no eny.
Having lopsided amount of people on each side is not an answer either, but its part of the problem.
In order to get rid of ENY the numbers have to be eqaul in the arena. Dont penalize the arena by blanketing an ENY due to many factors that are below the surface of why they end up BISH.
so dad, me an you are agreeing we dont like eny right? :aok
dont like it and dont think thats its a solution. Maxing players in an arena PER country may be the answer?Just because the numbers are capped doesnt mean that they wont be uneven.
Alky, there are any number of examples where squadrons or groups had to give up their favorite ride for one they didn't want, due to attrition etc.Not because they were kickin the enemy's prettythang !!!!
Maxing players in an arena PER country may be the answer?
Oh my lord...I didn't realize this was a "This beating up on the bish with ONE hand tied behind its back needs to stop..." thread. Oh the humanity!!! The poor pitiful bish!!! The evil HTC conspiracy against the bish must stop!!!!!
Perhaps if the bish practiced a lil safe sex, there wouldn't be so many of them and there would be no eny problem for them. Just a thought..... :aok
Uhh.....You aren't winning a war, ever. This is a game, not a war.Im with smokey on this one. Even though having close bonds with the regs on the bish, its not about "chesspiece" loyalty, its about finishing the job you worked hard doing. Personaly, I think country jumping is for the score potatos who like to see their name in lights and doing so only prolongs the lame maps for a few more days.
didnt see a NOBADDY in the score roster,,, hmmm,,, so you must not play much or know what is being talked about. Or have something to hide?
Doh!!!! If you've never seen a "NoBaddy" on the roster, that might be because my ID is NB. I play plenty, I just don't whine about thing here often. As to what I have to hide, well....there is my sheep porn collection, my compromising pictures of HT and the fact that I have probably been actively doing this about 3 times as long as you have.
Have a nice day... :angel:
Just switch sides. There'll be plenty of red icons and all the low ENY rides you want.
So like I said, you have no good reason for refusing ENY.I think that's a moot point!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl
Not because they were kickin the enemy's prettythang !!!!
So, I was right,, You "head"hunters are the ones crying foul,,, hmmmmm,, wonder if your kill ratios will drop significantly when the ENY goes away,,
8000 posts,,, cant imagine the rhetoric
Personaly, I think country jumping is for the score potatos who like to see their name in lights and doing so only prolongs the lame maps for a few more days.
And yes, I read the topic and there's no good reason for not switching. You don't like the ENY? Guess what.. The other country doesn't like getting ganged. Switch sides and both problems disappear.
The issue we have in the Late arena is we combine ALL the planes that are used and when eny is applied have to fight with usually an early to mid war plane against the far more superior late war plane. I am certain you would agree that is no fair fight regardless of ENY.
In the end you should be thankful for those players like us who switch to try and help keep things even because our willingness to do so, helps a more selfish, I want it my way player, get to fly his latewar uber ride.
so what did you and the other guy call each other and say lets do an ENY thread together ITS GOING TO BE SO COOL SWEET DUDE play with you later homie :devil
Switch countries.
If the ENY is too high for you, it means you have too many people on your team. Switch to another country and fly what you like.
Can I use that in my sig Dan? That just rocks! :rock
Feel free :)
You should read some of them. You might learn something, or at least get a laugh now and then :)
This "Headhunter" understands that players are the same all over, and that HTC to help as many players as possible have decent choices in how they play, has put the ENY system in.
It has never once stopped me from flying what I wanted to fly. As I said to Alky. This isn't just about you, or just about me. It's about what works best to help all players game play. You choose to be 'loyal' to a chess piece, to find safety in large numbers and are unwilling to change to help everyone have a better experience. Us "headhunters" and many other players and squads will switch to the lower numbers country to try and help keep it balanced and to provide more targets for the horde to shoot at.
In the end you should be thankful for those players like us who switch to try and help keep things even because our willingness to do so, helps a more selfish, I want it my way player, get to fly his latewar uber ride.
Our point is that it does not EVEN out the game,
1. Is ENY effective in making the game even?
No, its not restrictive enough
2. If so, How is it making the game even?
The side with more players cant fly ueber rides
3. Who is benefiting from ENY to make it even?
Players on the smaller side... I figured that was pretty obvious.
4. If no ENY existed what would be the outcome?
Larger hordes of Spixteens and Lalas
5. What effect of no ENY would it have on base captures?
Larger hordes of NOE Lancasters, 110's, and Nikis
6. what effect does ENY have on base captures now?
Well, if it gets to the point where Lancasters, 110's, and Nikis are locked out, pork and auger dweebs cant capture bases (read: bases wont be captured)
7. Do you agree that ENY has little, if no effect on winning the war?
Yes
I don't believe ENY is intended to even out the game, at least numbers wise. It is intended to help make the game more fair overall.
If more players would switch to the lower number teams, then ENY would be a non factor. Since so many refuse to change teams, ENY still accomplishes it's goal of making the game more fair for all by limiting the plane selection for the team with the highest numbers.
Seriously, it's your choice to switch or not switch. If you don't switch when your team is eating the ENY sammich then you pay the consequences of your choice. It just doesn't make any sense to me to make a choice, then complain about the consequences of YOUR choice. :cool:
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Apparently all of you guys could care less for your country you fly in and fellow players that you fly with, if you can or do switch sides just to up a plane that you prefer. Most of us who put more value in the developed relationships with the people on our side than apparently you guys do. So we do not switch sides and we will not stop until this is fixed, and by the way why do you guys still fly the so called ueber rides when the ENY is up for the other country, I guess it"s because that when you rack up your kills!
^^ these two have been playing for a very long time(dunno but its longer than me and ive been on for bout 1 1/2 years)..... some of the greatest mission planners i know... :aok
How long have you two played AH? A few months?
^^ these two have been playing for a very long time(dunno but its longer than me and ive been on for bout 1 1/2 years)..... some of the greatest mission planners i know... :aok
-Ian
NO because the top 50 are doing us a huge favor of making the field even.... or its more like, you know that you can fly the UBER planes to increase your kill ratio = higher ranks...
You can plead the case all you want, but bottom line its obvious, the ENY is feeding the top 100 scores in this game and THAT my friend is not Fair to ALL players.
You say you never change country's, and you quite obviously fly Bish. So, how can you make this statement? FYI, as a Knight, this tour my kills between the two countries are dead split (43 Rooks and 45 Bishops), and last tour I killed almost twice as many Rooks as Bishops.
There is a lot of truth in the observation made regarding knits + rooks battling the bish in the late arena. The rooks vs knits line often remains stagnant.
Next time, make sure you do your homework before making statements like this.
The suggestion that we "change countries" is ridiculus. It ain't happening for me and a lot of the people I fly with!
Our point is that it does not EVEN out the game, it does not detract or add to OUR abilities to conduct succesful missions to win the war which is the GOAL of THE GAME (ours anyway).
Players from bish side as well as others in the game from all sides that realize from a users perspective that it doesnt even things out, since we still win maps with such high eny's.
So, to clarify our goal is to win wars which we do.(with numbers due to Bish usually outnumbering in one arena and outnumbered in the other, and HIGH eny as much as 20-25). However, with high eny's how is that preventing us from winning wars anyway?
Much of the time, knits, rooks, bail out of the game since they smell defeat coming, and the eny skyrockets when they do.
Switch countries.
If the ENY is too high for you, it means you have too many people on your team. Switch to another country and fly what you like.
And if you are serious about what you've just typed, and you aren't trolling you are contradicting your own argument. You are very clear you play the game to win the war.Well said.
Not everyone cares about winning the war, cause there is no war, just a game, where if the map is reset, you get a do-over.
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Apparently all of you guys could care less for your country you fly in and fellow players that you fly with, if you can or do switch sides just to up a plane that you prefer. Most of us who put more value in the developed relationships with the people on our side than apparently you guys do. So we do not switch sides and we will not stop until this is fixed, and by the way why do you guys still fly the so called ueber rides when the ENY is up for the other country, I guess it"s because that when you rack up your kills!
So, if you switch countries, do you shoot the green guys cause they're not the people with whom you put more value in and developed relationships with?
:lol Mixed emotions? About pixels?
The ganging does happen on both sides, and no-ENY would make that ganging even worse.
"What better ego boost too when you shoot that guy down. "
Ego boost huh? That's funny.
Hypotheticly speaking here...2 targets in front of you..190 A8 and a slow 262..whats your first target??? Even a noob flyin a 262 will get a lot of range chatter on the enemy's side.
That is a blatantly false statement.
Out of the top 50, only 9 have switched teams this tour. Out of those 9, only 4 have done so more than once or twice. Kill stats show how many kills on each team and how many times they've been killed on each team. The other 5, according to the stats, have only switched one time.
Next time, make sure you do your homework before making statements like this. I personally looked up all the kill stats for the top 50 players, you obviously did not.
And out of the top 50 how many did you say were Bish???Do you HONESTLY think that what country people are flying on has anything to do with who is in the top 50? Moreso, why do you care?
And if you are serious about what you've just typed, and you aren't trolling you are contradicting your own argument. You are very clear you play the game to win the war.
Not everyone cares about winning the war, cause there is no war, just a game, where if the map is reset, you get a do-over.
Many of us place Aces High, for the Aces aspect of the game, which means air combat. It's that goofy bit with the airplanes shooting at each other. We could care less about the do-over as one base looks much like the next, and in the end it's just a starting point to take off from to engage in that "aces' part of the game again.
You wish to be allowed to play the game your way, regardless of the impact on anyone else. You'd deprive me of what I play the game for in your quest for a do-over.
I could care less if you take bases until the cows come home. But there is no "aces' part of the game if 150 players from one team, steamroll half that number or less. The MA isn't your arena anymore then it's mine. HTC is responsible for making the decisions that hopefully give all players a chance to engage in the type of gameplay they enjoy, not just "win the war', and not just air combat.
Your post comes across so selfish and 'give me what I want' that I'm hard pressed not to believe it's a troll. At the same time I ran into some of your type players last night and it amazed me. They started in on one base, and a few of us went up to defend, and they didn't know what to do. They just drove straight forward in a pack while we clobbered them. They didn't know how to turn their planes or look backward from what I could tell. They then moved to another undefended base and we moved over again and the same thing. Like sheep to the slaughter. I'd never seen it in over 10 years of playing. They made me look good, which is really going som
Try for half a second to think of the entire player base, not just yourself. It isn't just about you or just about me. Thankfully HTC and company understand this and try and accomodate all of us.
I don't switch countries for the sake of ENY. I might as well play some FPS game if I cared that little of which side I was fighting for. :confused:
And this is not a troll,,,, hmm,,,
Your words are mixed as well, you seem as though you want it your way and no other way. There is multiple ways of playing this game and different aspects to accomplish that. We take the game to WIN the map, you take it to shoot people down, isnt that basically what the game is about.
No matter how you play it, you should not be penalized by an ENY to EVEN it out, you may just find us using those planes to fight more often than using the bum rush method since that is what is an effective form of repelling the better planes,,,, MASS NUMBERS.
From where I am standing the ENY is not accomodating anyone but the people as yourself that look at the game as JUST FIGHTERS not WINNING THE MAP as a goal. good luck, hope to see you on the field, you will find that I dont run.
Working together is not penalized. We are not trying to implement a system where consentrating your forces is hampered.
But it realy is a basic game concepts that all sides have the same number of players. If you don't belive that concept, please sight one case where a game is not designed with that in mind. And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair. While war is not ment to be either fair or fun.
With equal sides, doing what it takes to win , is what game play is. In AH there are multiple levels of winning, makeing a capture,just shooting down more people than shot you down, ending the war. All are items of game play in AH.
Having more on your team gives your side an unfair advantage to all other sides. All items of game play are effected by that imbalance. And there realy is nothing that the sides with less numbers can do about it. They can not swith countries to even the numbers, if they move to the country with more numbers it just makes everything worse. They could make a treaty, but that only works in a defensive mode.
Equal sides is such a basic consept that over the life of AH the sides have maintained a fairly equal number, the resone is realy simple, people have more fun when the sides are equal.
So now the question becomes not IF the sides should be equal,
but how to accomplish that equality with least impact to the social apspect of the game.
HiTech
It was not done do to any whines.
It was not pushed by anyone that has connections with HTC.
Inbalance had become a problem that had to be delt with.
It was discused for alternatives before being implemented.
It has worked to lower side imbalance issues.
It does not force you to play any certain way, it simply presents you with a choices.
HiTech
With out the ENY. When a side imbalnced happed, the ones complaining most were the underdogs. Could they do anything to help fix the imbalance?
Answere no . Changing sides would just make the problem worse.
With the ENY system. Those complaining , are now the Big side. Can they do somthing to help balance the sides.
Answere yes.
Will normal eb and flow of the arena occasionaly imbalance sides.
Answere yes.
Will the ENY system damapen those peeks, absolutly.
HiTech
And this is not a troll,,,, hmm,,,The ONLY TIME I have EVER run into you, is when you are in Bombers.
Your words are mixed as well, you seem as though you want it your way and no other way. There is multiple ways of playing this game and different aspects to accomplish that. We take the game to WIN the map, you take it to shoot people down, isnt that basically what the game is about.
No matter how you play it, you should not be penalized by an ENY to EVEN it out, you may just find us using those planes to fight more often than using the bum rush method since that is what is an effective form of repelling the better planes,,,, MASS NUMBERS.
From where I am standing the ENY is not accomodating anyone but the people as yourself that look at the game as JUST FIGHTERS not WINNING THE MAP as a goal. good luck, hope to see you on the field, you will find that I dont run.
It seems like when a map reset is close... that there is suddenly alot of new names on the winning sides roster. Why should the guys that have "fought" hours or days to win a reset be penelized due to a bunch of perk chasers!
Some people still think you get perks if you switch sides just before a reset.
And out of the top 50 how many did you say were Bish???
2. Does it encourage sides to be "even"? SOMETIMES
Dadguns:
Don't think I've ever run into you either...I'm sure unimpressed with what I've seen here. It takes a special kind of person to get insulting with Guppy and Murdr -- two of the all around classiest, mature, balanced guys I've come across on line.
Your uninformed, amateur attempts at arguing your case have already been rebutted. Whether you like it or not, ENY is NOT going away....adjust to it, and you'll be happier and more productive.
And one question: you claim loyalty prevents you from switching sides. Loyalty is a great thing -- but I have to ask, what good is loyalty that refuses to be inconvenienced? That kind of dedication seems a pretty shallow thing to me...
ENY MUST BE FIXED!!!!
As a side balancing tool ENY falls short.
1. Does it reduce the "hoard"? NO
2. Does it encourage sides to be "even"? SOMETIMES
3. Is it's application equitable? NO
4. Does it make paying customers mad? YES
5. What can be done to fix it? ?????
The ENY "formula" is a joke when it gets above a certain point. For example on Saturday 15MAR08 the ENY on the Bishop side in LW Blue was 26!!! While in Orange the Rooks/Knights had a ENY of 6-9 with a simular numerical advantage as the Bishops had in Blue. I like to fly FW-190A8s so a high ENY usually doesn't bother me, but when you can only up JU-88s when you want to "buff it", it is out of hand!
One has to ask is ENY for side balancing, or has it become a vehicle for prolonging the "agony" when a map is close to a reset. It seems like when a map reset is close... that there is suddenly alot of new names on the winning sides roster. Why should the guys that have "fought" hours or days to win a reset be penelized due to a bunch of perk chasers!
Wow, this lame-arse thread is now at 11 pages?
Who cares how many are Bish? The only way you get ranked that high (overall) is by gaming the game.
Really I wanted to know, I didnt recognize anyone in the top 50 as BISH players. Maybe I missed some but I thought you would know since you were bringing up some stats.
.... for example simply switching is not an answer or solution when you have over 70 sqaud mates.
eny works, it is obvious it has some effect, it is how the thread was generated, maybe some of you will fix for yourselves. The solution is easy, change plane, change teams or change arenas. If you don't, then you'll just have to learn to fly on of the many great higher eny planes. Think of it less as a penalty, but as a reward to those who are doing there part to keep gameplay somewhat fair. It's hard to see any other viable options, though limiting the percentage of people flying for one country at anytime might be one. (which most online shooter type games have in one form or another). Personally, I think if you can't take it upon yourself to fix a problem, you are part of it. HT could force your hand even more so if he wanted, but you have options. Paying for the game does not entitle you to dictate to the rest of the arena and community how the game will be played. Honestly I think it is quite selfish to complain about not being able to fly a certain plane, when you are part of a theme that is upsetting the balance of gameplay for many others.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Option three: FIX ENY most likely.
Do you realize there are thousands of posts on this topic?
There is a good reason this was implemented in the game in the first place?
We have been around this merry-go-round several times over the years?
"ENY should go because it inconveninces me" does not supercede the gameplay environment it is intended to encourage?
"New" alternatives have been the same old ideas brough up over and over again, and shot down many times? (some by HiTech himself)
You are encountering an attitude because you cant seem to accept all of the above?
If you are suggesting that We are not doing our part your sadley mistaken. If the game entitles us to have a squad which it does, and if our LARGE squad moves to another country, the ENY WILL be affected to where we move, then what, we play musical chairs.
So yes our OPTION is to stay, being loyal is not the factor and the only reason.
Option two: DISBAND,,, dont think so.
Option three: FIX ENY most likely.
Option four: change plane, change arenas, did that already.
I dont see how how you can call that selfish that we are bringing to light an issue that has ALWAYS been an issue and to suggest that we are upsetting some balance of many others,,,, what balance, balance to what. This is what this is all about,,, the unbalance of ENY ....
Usually when someone uses the term honestly to start off a sentence, its presumed you were not being honest in your previous statements,, which I can agree.
Could it be that HTC limited Squads to 32 people for a reason? Having 70+ players is not a squad. That's two squads. This too has been debated endlessly and since HTC set the limit, 32 is a squad. Again this appears to be all about you having it your way, while many other folks do just fine working within the system as is, and go even further by moving so that folks with your way of thinking don't have to.
You keep talking about doing something constructive. Many of us have. We do what we can to keep the teams even which helps you.
Now what are you going to do to make it better besides begging someone else to change it for you?
If you are suggesting that We are not doing our part your sadley mistaken. If the game entitles us to have a squad which it does, and if our LARGE squad moves to another country, the ENY WILL be affected to where we move, then what, we play musical chairs.
So yes our OPTION is to stay, being loyal is not the factor and the only reason.
Option two: DISBAND,,, dont think so.
Option three: FIX ENY most likely.
Option four: change plane, change arenas, did that already.
I dont see how how you can call that selfish that we are bringing to light an issue that has ALWAYS been an issue and to suggest that we are upsetting some balance of many others,,,, what balance, balance to what. This is what this is all about,,, the unbalance of ENY ....
Usually when someone uses the term honestly to start off a sentence, its presumed you were not being honest in your previous statements,, which I can agree.
No wonder there was no progress made.. And I am supposed to go back and read the same rhetoric.LMAO
- country caps that prevent you from logging on for the top numbered side I and others proposed that before ENY...shot down
- very high Perk costs without any other changes Still in effect...did not work by itself
- shunting new players to the lowest sided chess piece Still in effect
- forcing high side players to sit out a penalty time in the tower before they could re-up (believe it or not, this was HT's original idea. The community proposed the system that eventually became the ENY) Yep, the community objected to the timer idea
ahforgeddabouditHere ya go MaX
well iam sorry to say
i do not understand Y I countinue to pay for agame that I Cannot fly the plaines i like
I understand trying to make it fair
butt Need to find a way to add a perk cost when eny is high so you can still fly what you whant!!
Example if a la7 is eny of 5 and the game has an eny of 10 Y cant you charge a perk of 5 so we can still fly eny of 5 pluss paid perks of 5 = the 10 game has
also further
I dont believe that generals in war would tell the fighters that enemy is low on polits today . so we instead of flying la7 we are gana fly b109 to kep things fair
not trying to start a big issue here
butt just letting some know this is not fair
in some ways it is decriminating againest Me and the side i fly for
I can find more negatives about it and what people use it as "gaming" for an advantage and had no one yet to debunk that.Well, if you offer some proof then I'll debunk that. Your only 'proof' was that there is no Bish in the top 50, which has been debunked, and that Rooks and Knights only fight Bishops, which I personally debunked. So, it looks like you have been conviniently 'missing' posts that do not agree with your line of thought.
Well, if you offer some proof then I'll debunk that. Your only 'proof' was that there is no Bish in the top 50, which has been debunked, and that Rooks and Knights only fight Bishops, which I personally debunked. So, it looks like you have been conviniently 'missing' posts that do not agree with your line of thought.
You say you never change country's, and you quite obviously fly Bish. So, how can you make this statement? FYI, as a Knight, this tour my kills between the two countries are dead split (43 Rooks and 45 Bishops), and last tour I killed almost twice as many Rooks as Bishops.
Infact, heres the last 5 tours.
Tour 97
Bishop 47
Rook 96
*Note that I changed my GameID from '762R' to the current 'Bubi' at the beginning of tour 97*
Tour 96
Bishop 129
Rook 83
Tour 95
Bishop 179
Rook 109
*Halfway-ish through tour 94 I switched from Rooks to Knights, where I still am today*
Tour 94
Bishop 169
Knight 44
Rook 146
Tour 93
Bishop 80
Knight 74
So, I have slightly more Bishop scalps, but that's because Bishops have a tendency to suck (I also have less deaths to Bishops to go along with the kills)
Again, you debunked nothing. This has nothing to do with the top 50 players. I could care less who you killed or YOUR score.
The question was how many in the top 50 at this moment are BISH and regularly bish.
Debunk it.
Well, if you offer some proof then I'll debunk that. Your only 'proof' was that there is no Bish in the top 50, which has been debunked,
How was this debunked?
I was talking about the Knight vs. Rook thing being personally debunked by me.
BTW, BMathis, Gumpsta, and NCLawman are Bish in the top 50 (theres probably more, but Im not going to look through the whole top 50 list). #1 (Lusche) is Rook, but all his kills are Rook, which kinda kills your switching to the lowest side to game scores theory.
two sides of the fence, the yard your in and the one I am in. both are right, we got to find the common ground for both sides.This isn't your yard though :)
Also eveyone here is in MY house. Make absoulutly no mistake about that.
There is a difference between two guest getting into an agument in my house vs a guest impuning my integrity to everone else in my house.
I have to live here. But I do get to choose who is a guest or not.
HiTech
I was talking about the Knight vs. Rook thing being personally debunked by me.
BTW, BMathis, Gumpsta, and NCLawman are Bish in the top 50 (theres probably more, but Im not going to look through the whole top 50 list). #1 (Lusche) is Rook, but all his kills are Rook, which kinda kills your switching to the lowest side to game scores theory.
I was talking about the Knight vs. Rook thing being personally debunked by me.We never said that there was never rook vs. knit, just little to no activity. you have been one of the exceptions to that theory. There are several times this has been seen even with or without ENY in place.
BTW, BMathis, Gumpsta, and NCLawman are Bish in the top 50 (theres probably more, but Im not going to look through the whole top 50 list). #1 (Lusche) is Rook, but all his kills are Rook, which kinda kills your switching to the lowest side to game scores theory.
Ah, yes, I've been proven wrong, but instead of admitting it, I'm going to shrug off the facts and keep saying whats more convenient to my arguement.
This isn't your yard though :)
well iam sorry to say
i do not understand Y I countinue to pay for agame that I Cannot fly the plaines i like
I understand trying to make it fair
:rolleyes:
Your the one 'inflaming the issue' by making false claims and then ignoring the facts.
I have been in here most of the day and made my point. Just a few of you choose to deny this issue is even an issue and choose to inflame the issue than participate in a solution.
Kisses and hugs,,,,, good nite cupcakes :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
The solution is to keep the numbers even. If players will not balance them on their own, the game will make it happen or failing that, mitigate the numbers' effect.
I have been in here most of the day and made my point. Just a few of you choose to deny this issue is even an issue and choose to inflame the issue than participate in a solution.
Kisses and hugs,,,,, good nite cupcakes :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
We can agree to disagree about ENY and if it works or not. This was never meant to be a debate, but some of you insist it works and there is no other solution. I my friend dont feel that way.
There is a distinct line of those that thinks it works for their own reasons, and those that thinks it does not work for their own reasons. I can find more negatives about it and what people use it as "gaming" for an advantage and had no one yet to debunk that.
Some of you say that you are not affected by ENY, thats great. Good choice. Your saving the game. Cant say that I really seen you around the Late MA either, cause if you dont know me, thats where I live.
So we may be off our rocker and passionate about what we express, its not out of anger but understanding or a lack thereof of ENY and its effectiveness when its not being used for what it was meant for if by choice or not. You may be the honorable one that uses it for the specific purpose, however thats not the case for the majority of the "gamers" NOTE: before you blow up on this remember, two sides of the fence, the yard your in and the one I am in. both are right, we got to find the common ground for both sides.
However the ones of us that have made the choice to live with it and deal with it, as painful as it may be, we pay particular attention to it and have noted discrepencies in the consitstency of the level of ENY applied. (this probabley has something to do with dont know jack about it)
That I think is what really started this all off and broke the camels back, the discussion consumed the arena last weekend and was noted how irregular one map was to the other.
I think we are justifiable in our discussion of ENY and am positive that something may come out of it. If not, we will just have to deal with it as we usually do. We will continue to win maps just the way we do ENY or not. The game itself will not progress.
I do expect to hear what you OLD TIMERS have done and what did not work, with that said, there are alot of young minds in here, and if the issue isnt where everyone is happy than its an issue that is alive and well, I have heard some ideas that made some sense, some others that didnt, but in time someone should not be afraid to bring that up in this forum.
Having a positive attitude about welcoming or seeking change is not foolish, the fool is the one stuck in the rut.
The solution is to keep the numbers even. If players will not balance them on their own, the game will make it happen or failing that, mitigate the numbers' effect.
So what are YOU going to do beyond complain?
Murdr,,, I will spell this out for you.... V.I.E.W.P.O.I.N.T.SWow, finally chosen to address one of my posts, and pick the one without any true topical content :) How quaint.
...It wasn't even fun to play with the horde. Racing 20 other guys to shoot down the single bandit you find, or start attacking a field and get "help" from 50 other friendly players is not fun.
I'm curious, would you enjoy trying to play each weekend when you were in one of the low numbered countries? When this was happening, the big country sometimes outnumbered the other 2 countries by over 100 players...combined!! I guess this was fun for the guys that were doing it. But, it sure wasn't fun for anyone else.
...
Veteran players have more perk points than the US national debt.
What kills me is that the complainers complain about the wrong aspect of ENY.
That the better aircraft are limited when a country has overwhelming numerical superiority is totally justified. What doesn't make sense is the individual ENY values that the aircraft are assigned. If those were evidence-based instead of HTC's god-like opinion there would be less cause for complaint.
What is overwhelming when country A has 110 members on, country B has 97 members on and country C 90 members on and the ENY for the high country is 18, 20 members is not overwhelming over the spread of a arena map is it.
Post a screenshot of that please.
Post a screenshot of that please.
he not when he shoots me down :furious
Lusche, I just wanted to mention that you are a great asset to the Aces High BB.
I would expect many others to confirm this statement.
Says it all. :rofl :rofl :aok :aok
Also any other change I would add to effect country balance would be more limiting than the current system not less.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's not possible. An ENY of 18 for only 37%?
He mean ppl inflight most probably, as usual.
btw, 37% wouldnt ever make ENY of 1, afaik.
Less cause for complaints does not necessarily mean fewer complaints. ;)
Does someone have the ENY formula handy? I've been trying to search through some of the older threads for it, but between HT's spelling, and the borked search, I can't find it. I know it was posted a few years back, but I can't dig up the thread. It doesn't appear in the help files either, apparently.
static void _CalculateBalance(arnaCOUNTRY_BALANCE * Balance)
{
const arnaSETTINGS * Settings;
double BalanceGain;
double Least;
int Country;
Settings = arnaservGetSettings();
if(Balance->TotalPlayerCnt > 0 )
{
if(Settings->MinBalanceTotal != 0)
{
BalanceGain = (double)Balance->TotalPlayerCnt / (double)Settings->MinBalanceTotal;
}
else
{
BalanceGain = 1;
}
if(BalanceGain > 1)
{
BalanceGain = 1;
}
Least = 2.0;
for(Country=0;Country<pcMAX_COUNTRY;++Country)
{
Balance->CountryPer[Country] = (double)Balance->PlayerCnt[Country] / (double)Balance->TotalPlayerCnt;
if(Balance->CountryPer[Country] < Least)
{
Least = Balance->CountryPer[Country];
}
}
if(Least != 0)
{
for(Country=0;Country<pcMAX_COUNTRY;++Country)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] =
(Balance->CountryPer[Country] - (Least + Settings->BaseCountryPer)) * Settings->CountryBalanceScale * BalanceGain * 100;
if(Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] < 0)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] = 0;
}
if(Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] > Settings->MinEnyValue)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] = Settings->MinEnyValue;
}
}
}
}
else
{
for(Country=0;Country<pcMAX_COUNTRY;++Country)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] = 0;
}
}
if(Balance->TotalPlayerCnt < 6)
{
for(Country=0;Country<pcMAX_COUNTRY;++Country)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] = 0;
}
}
}
Sweet. Too bad I can't make sense of it. I understand the words, but the operations aren't all apparent to me. Is there a dumbed down version for peepl hoo donte coad?Fly with horde no Peee51 for joo. ;)
Sweet. Too bad I can't make sense of it. I understand the words, but the operations aren't all apparent to me. Is there a dumbed down version for peepl hoo donte coad?
MinEnyValue[Country] = (CountryPer[Country] - (Least + BaseCountryPer)) * CountryBalanceScale * BalanceGain * 100;
CountryPer[Country] - percentage number of players in country
Least - least percent of all countries
BaseCountryPer - maximal difference in percents when ENY is not yet applied; equal ~7, probably
CountryBalanceScale - coefficient for transform percents to ENY values, value unknown
BalanceGain = TotalPlayerCnt / MinBalanceTotal; - coefficient (from 0 to 1), decreased effect of ENY if total numbers is low (TotalPlayerCnt < MinBalanceTotal)
Obviously this thread has brought out several mixed emotions. My point of starting this thread is why not give the people other choices.
The so called "ganging" happens on ALL sides. ENY or not, depending on whos on the roster for the night and how well each countries squads work together determines how they dish it out. If your on the recieving end of trying to defend a base from 30-110s, 10 typhs and 12 nikis, sleep easy..the day will come that you do the same.
Like it or not, taking away ENY and perking the low ENY planes will solve alot of problems. Think about it..HORDE or NO HORDE..that LA or Spixteen the guy paid 60 perks for will reduce the HOs and collisions. What better ego boost too when you shoot that guy down. Map rotations will be quicker and you keep the squaddies together.