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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKDejaVu on April 02, 2001, 02:19:00 PM
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Compare with Tour 13:
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And tour 12 (longer tour - 5 weeks)
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I simply don't understand.. how are these F4U-1C's STILL leading the pack in kills?
Why are they still so popular?
They fly like crap and anyone decent in just about anything can take 'em out of the sky... so.. why?
Are you F4U-1C guys simply a glutton for dying?
<shrug>
-SW
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Chogs are used ALOT for ATG kills...if you don't bring Hispanos to do a field capture, then GV's rule the day.
(Answering Wulfies question, I realize these are ATA stats)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-02-2001).]
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So are those stats compiled above a combination of ATG and ATA? Or are they just ATA? And if so, by saying that F4U-1Cs are used for ground attack that most of the kills they see are from vulching and therefore it appears to be getting a lot of popularity when it's really just getting a lot of kills at a vulching spot?
-SW
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Deja, thanks! I appreciate your efforts.
If you ever think of adding anything to the format, may I suggest the "% of Fighter kills for this tour" column you had in the other topic?
Once again, thanks a lot! These stats give a bit more information than the usual perceptions bandied about. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Wulfie, I would say thats a good assessment, while the stats show Aircraft vs., most of those Chog kills are basically keeping the base 'down'.ie vulching. AFter all, they work equally as well on A/C as they do tank/ostie busting. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I'm not saying ALL the Chog kills are attributed to this, but I'd bet at least 25% of the time they are used for base destruction, then, once the base is down, used for 'cleaning up' anything left over in the air.
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No Rip, I was just trying to understand why the F4U-1C was popular (atleast according to stats). Now I understand it a bit better, and I'm sure atleast 10% of the other plane's kills came from vulching fields but with 4 Hispanos nothing does it better. :-)
-SW
edit: when I say No Rip, I meant that I understand that most of the kills are A2A so I wasn't trying to say it's getting a lot of easy kills just why so many. :-)
[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 04-02-2001).]
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Wulfie, if you look at the top performers in all tours, you'll see cannon-armed planes holding the top 4 out of 5 positions...gee, I wonder why? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) hehe....<S>
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I don't know. Most F4U-1Cs that I encounter are being used ATA.
And yes, they usally are easy kills.
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Cannons vs Mg's?
Look at the top 10 in each tour. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/angry/director.gif) Perk! Perk! Overmodeled! Overmodeled!
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its safe to unneuter the p38L now HT (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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and unneuter the f6f5 stall modelling too please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If you ever think of adding anything to the format, may I suggest the "% of Fighter kills for this tour" column you had in the other topic?
That shouldn't be a problem, its already in the spreadsheet, I just didn't include it in the copy.
I'm also going to include a bar-graph with usage by plane. People seem to be missing one painfully obvious trend. Hopefully, that will highlight it.
Maybe this afternoon, my dog won't cut her foot to the bone and my wife won't pass out at the Vets office causing me 6 hours of visits to emergency rooms (up till 5 am). I hate it when real life gets in the way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Also lets remember that people will be a lot more careful with the perk planes - Tempest and Ta152. So their k/d is a little skewed by that fact.
-DoK
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Well, true Dok. But speed IS life. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Wow, after all the whining I thought the 152 would have worse stats than the Tempest. Looks like HTC was pretty smart to put those planes in the same group. Now if they'd just perk all the other late war beasts I would be happy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 04-02-2001).]
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Thx for the stats AKDjV (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Will we see the TOP-TEN pilots for each fiter as well?
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Thx for the stats AKDjV Will we see the TOP-TEN pilots for each fiter as well?
I'll get working on that as soon as I get the time. I haven't perfected a bot for retrieving the data, so it has to be done by hand, 1200 times. I should have it by next Monday.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by funked:
Wow, after all the whining I thought the 152 would have worse stats than the Tempest. Looks like HTC was pretty smart to put those planes in the same group.
Don't forget that because it's perked, people fly to live. I'm pretty sure the D9 would not have those stats if it was perked (or any plane in the game, 202 included).
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LOL, looks like some aces are starting to fly the P47D-25. With the small ammount of sorties flown by it they can surely affect the stats considerably.
Its going from K/D of 0.795 through 1.097 to 1.231, while the D30 is stuck at 0.7-0.8
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In reference to the Ta152 and Temp stats, they are only that good because people will not do stupid things with their perks like diving into a furball and begin turning with a Spit.
So really, the high K/D ratio of the 152 and Temp has more to do with that fact rather than they being super-uber. Although, the Temp is as close to super uber as one could get. I'm sure it's super-uber deck speed has alot to do with it's low deaths.
OBTW, I account for 10% of all Ta152 kills, but only 1% of it's deaths. I think I oughta be perked.
OBTWA, I can't believe the low k/d ratio iof the 109f. I just started flying the 109 series like 4 days ago, and already had had a 19 to 2 ratio in the 109f. Apparently people ain't flying this puppy the way they should. It is one hard plane to kill if flown right.
fscott
[This message has been edited by fscott (edited 04-02-2001).]
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So really, the high K/D ratio of the 152 and Temp has more to do with that fact rather than they being super-uber. Although, the Temp is as close to super uber as one could get. I'm sure it's super-uber deck speed has alot to do with it's low deaths.
The Ta-152 has the speed up high and the Tempest has it down low. Flown right, both are deadly in their element. I think the K/D reflects that adequately. I also think the perking is appropriate for both.
The Dora has a ton of speed too.. still waiting for someone to say that's the only reason they do so well. I do know that I've spent more time chasing them than I have fighting them... say the same about the P-51.
AKDejaVu
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Planes like the D-9, La-7, F4U-1C, P-51D, and N1K should have some perk cost. Not 50-70 points. Maybe 10 or so. All the "front line" 1944 vintage and prior crates should be free still. (Yes the P-51 was a front-line fighter, but the brunt of the ground support work was P47's and P38's ... and this is an arena based on taking ground.)
Anyway, I think a small perk cost would at least limit the number of times people tried to take off from CAP'd fields in very expensive iron.
-DoK
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I have 'falied' the p51 stats as my lock up problems have artificially contributed to about 10 times the discos this tour for me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Discos counting as deaths is kinda annoying.
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Spatula, your right. I guess HTC is trying to avoid the ALT-F4 thing.
BTW, your Pony stats are damned good! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Regarding the P47-D-25.
I think the D-30 would do just as well if folks didn't fly it for A2G so much. I know these are only "A2A" stats, but folks don't hit the attack button much in my experience.
I've bounced around between the D25 and the D30 the last few tours, but I'm back on the D25 now. Having Drex flying the D25 certainly has helped pump the numbers up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) We have some really good sticks stalking the skies in Jugs these days.
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Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
Planes like the D-9, La-7, F4U-1C, P-51D, and N1K should have some perk cost. Not 50-70 points. Maybe 10 or so. All the "front line" 1944 vintage and prior crates should be free still.
-DoK
And this would include the La-7 :-)
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Not counting the temp and TA... there are 12 planes that are used less than 2% of the time. Perk or no.
lazs
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I flew the D9 a lot last tour, and what I observe is this:
It is fast.
It has decent, thought not great, guns.
It doesn't turn well compared to just about anything in the game.
It accelerates very well.
1 vs. 1 it is good against about anything. In a crowd it dies if it tries to turn. If you keep it fast you can move in and out with impunity.
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Originally posted by Kieran:
I flew the D9 a lot last tour, and what I observe is this:
It is fast.
It has decent, thought not great, guns.
It doesn't turn well compared to just about anything in the game.
It accelerates very well.
1 vs. 1 it is good against about anything. In a crowd it dies if it tries to turn. If you keep it fast you can move in and out with impunity.
I would reflect the same observations, however, if you use the snap rolls in a close combat scissors, this plane rocks!