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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Xasthur on March 19, 2008, 11:34:22 PM
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Alright then! The day a few of us have waiting for has finally arrived.... We have a new 152 to skin!
Has anyone got 152s they've been waiting to skin?
I know Larry said he was going to re-do one that he'd done.
I'd love to see what others are getting ready to work on.
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IMO if you've got the green/green, and you've got the green/brown, there's nothing else to do. That's pretty much all it ever wore.
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Valid point.
Even if we have very similar skins of different aircraft from the same staffel... I think that will be a worthwhile addition.
People will come out with very different representations of similar aircraft.
Colours.... weathering... it all makes a difference.
I know that any 152 I skinned would be quite clean.. having such a short service life.
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15 slots, might as well fill them with anything historical no matter how repetative the camo is, they will not be used for anything else.
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What if there weren't even 15 planes that saw combat? :t :t :t
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Then skin the H-0 models.
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I'm planning on doing something, simply because I don't think I like the default very much.
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Post here when you decide on a skin, so we don't end up doing the same thing.
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Will do!!
Don't want to call "dibs" til I get home and check the files I've got saved.
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<- Doing the JG11 skin. I already did it, right before 2.12 came out and now I have to start over....
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I missed that one.. Do you have pictures of it?
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Since there aren't that many skins, maybe we could gather them all in this thread, for everyone to choose from, and to adress any doubts about any details on profiles, which ones are plain wrong, etc?
I'll start.. (From Krusty's collection):
Green 1:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2042/2349052092_6a635b0880_o.jpg)
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/152/152_green1_1.jpg)
Green 2, JG11
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/152/152_green2.gif)
Green 3:
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/152/152_green3.jpg)
Green 4:
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/152/152_green4.jpg)
Green 8, WN 168:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2189284152_ffd98c1b67_o.jpg)
Green 9, 168:
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/152/152_green9_1.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2241/2259458415_dbb19874f9_o.gif)
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/152/152_green9_2.jpg)
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This photo will help with the upper-wing camo
(I love this photo, I wish I had one for every aircraft I wanted to skin)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/Ta152H.jpg)
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Note that of those, Green 3 is the default skin.
I guess that's the JG11 skin he was talking about.
Green 9 catches my eye, and I'd like to do it.
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I'd like to do Green 4 if no one else has already said something about that one.
:salute
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Yellow 1:
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/152/152_yellow1.gif)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/2188498335_7998296777_o.jpg)
Yellow 5:
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/152/152_yellow5.gif)
The fuselage is obviously off, but that's at least some evidence for a red prop hub for this one.
My copy of Luftwaffe Im Focus with a profile of White 5 still hasn't showed up :rolleyes:
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Green 9 catches my eye, and I'd like to do it.
Krusty, pretty please do the first example? It looks much better with more green IMHO.
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Historical accuracy is what we're after.
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Historical accuracy is what we're after.
True. Though whos to say which is correct :D
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Ill be redoing "green 9"
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2241/2259458415_dbb19874f9_o.gif?SSImageQuality=Full)
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Dibs on Ta 152H-1, WNr CW+CY, WNr 150025, Stab/JG301.
And if we are in agreement on doing Ta 152H-0's I would like to do Ta152H-0 coded "White 7", WNr.150007 of 5./JG301.
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Ill be redoing "green 9"
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2241/2259458415_dbb19874f9_o.gif?SSImageQuality=Full)
:furious
Well Green 9, Green 4, and JG11 were the only ones I wanted to do, apparently they're all accounted for.
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MINE! :P
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Krusty, you guys could agree to paint one or the other in different degrees of maintenance, or something.
And yeah, H-0s are probably ok with HTC.
Wings top pattern on WN003 as it was out of the factory at Sorau in '44:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2092/2350219806_10bdb49849_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2168/2350305460_f0bb9ee6ca_o.jpg)
The strange thing about this one, is that the camo looks different on either side. E.G. on the fuselage aft of the wing roots.
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:furious
Well Green 9, Green 4, and JG11 were the only ones I wanted to do, apparently they're all accounted for.
Green 1 is a dunkel/licht grun scheme if that's what you're after.
According to that profile, anyway.
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:furious
Well Green 9, Green 4, and JG11 were the only ones I wanted to do, apparently they're all accounted for.
Krusty, I'll take Yellow 1. I'm happy doing any of them, so if you had your heart set on Green 4, go for it.
I'll get started on this one in the next couple of days:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/2188498335_7998296777_o.jpg)
Thanks for the profile, m00t, that will be a big help.
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I was just trawling for some photos and as far as I can tell, that profile lines up with this photo:
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Aces%20High/152jg301cropped.jpg)
So I'm good to go.
:rock
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Took me a while but Im done with basic panel lines. :aok
Anyone else have trouble with the main gear?
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Xasthur, are you sure it's yellow, and not misinterpreted green? I have a feeling I asked that before, but can't recall a response.
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Yes, Xasthur, that's what the profile was made from IIRC.
WN003 (same plane as these pics (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,230506.msg2801972.html#msg2801972)) profiled in Model Art's Ta152 issue:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/2349504155_1f832a9f30_b.jpg)
Another of Green 9:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2030/2350374230_cef21339d8_o.jpg)
He cites these refs:
The Trimaster kit of the Ta 152
The Model Art book on the 190 D and Ta 152
Wings of the Luftwaffe, Eric Brown
Focke-Wulf Fw 190 & Ta152 Aircraft and Legend, Nowarra
Focke-Wulf 190, Robert Grinsell
Article in APMA by Dave Richardson Aviation News, plans by Keith Woodcock
Web page: http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/ta152hgi_1.htm
He says that in hindsight he'd do the prop hub in either white on black, or white on green. But another profile of WN 168 (Green 8 and 9) with a red hub shows up in Model Art's issue, as Red 9:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/2350336180_59f0752b8b_b.jpg)
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Xasthur, are you sure it's yellow, and not misinterpreted green? I have a feeling I asked that before, but can't recall a response.
That did occur to me. My thoughts were that if it were green it would appear darker than yellow in a black and white photo.
That '1' looks almost exactly the same shade as the yellow on the Reich Defence Band, so to my eye it would be safe to say that it was, infact, yellow and not green.
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Those are the same "green 9s" the artists just changed the colors of the hub and number.
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Take, for example, the red-9 profile above. Most show it as green. I might have even seen one in yellow (can't remember right now). Black and White interpretation can be a tough thing, especially considering the age of the photo, the quality of the photo paper, the light-sensitive crystals on it, and many other things.
That's how we get 109F2 profiles with all-red noses, and red rudders. :D
Here's my thinking: There was really only the stab of JG301 that had these (not counting JG11). Only the stab. The stab would have all the same color numbers. Most recognize that the other numbers are green. So I'm inclined to think "1" is green as well. That's not positive proof, but it stands to reason.
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That's how we get 109F2 profiles with all-red noses, and red rudders. :D
Are you saying there were no 109F2's with red noses and rudders?
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Unless someone objects, I'm going to do the WN003 "74/(83?)/75" profile in Model Art. I sent some scans to Rolex for translation, to see if there's any clues that something's wrong with it.
Another (second hand) reference for WN 010 as Green 4:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/2350205328_d1fb92c1e0_o.jpg)
The author cites ""JG 301 Wilde Sau" by Marek J. Murawski and Peter Neuwerth, Kagero" as his source.
Web page here: http://hsfeatures.com/features04/ta152hcw_1.htm
I have diagrams of at least some of the little stencil markings that I could send to anyone doing a skin, if needed..
Another view of WN 167:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2350556334_5701e25310_b.jpg) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2350556334_900cd763cf_o.jpg)
Click for a bigger version.
Rough distribution of colors on profiles from (I think) a Czech book on the 152 and Dora:
"WN 003 at Langenhagen in '44" is new to me. I looked thru google maps to see if this is just a nearby location or annex to either Cottbus or Langenhagen, but my internet's crappin out at the moment, so I can't tell yet.
"005 at Cottbus" - no idea what the caption says.
"WN 010 of JG301 at Aalborg in '45" - I guess this would mean the Aalborg Aerodrome in Denmark? Is that where JG11 was?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2349721139_77a6024817_b.jpg) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2349721139_8b99ebe031_o.png)
Click for a bigger version..
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Moot check out the following link..
http://www.lwag.org/forums/showthread.php?t=307 (http://www.lwag.org/forums/showthread.php?t=307)
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I don't think I'd seen that one yet, thanks Fencer!
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Moot: What's it saying about the tail stripes down there, in Polish(?) or something?
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Which one?
Another plate with two schemes:
WN 167 (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2350556334_900cd763cf_o.jpg) with JG301 @ Straubing in '45, and WN 168 with '301 @ Leck in '45:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3181/2350750454_7ed70e7bae_b.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3181/2350750454_7168df7332_o.png)
Click for a bigger version.
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The previous one, with the blue "?" and the 2 red arrows.
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What was the plane code for '168' of JG301 at Leck? Green 9?
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The previous one, with the blue "?" and the 2 red arrows.
The originals are black and white, all in Czech. Everything in color was added by me. I don't speak Czech, so I don't know what any of all that says, except for the roots that are either latin or similar to words I know in english or german, etc.
My question mark is there because I'm not sure if the tail band has a bit of #81 around it (like CI+XM has). If there isn't any, why shade it in #81?
Fencer, there's no specification of the code number's color for these two last plates. If you mean the AA+AA registration code, I've got none for WN168 anywhere in my materials. D.Harmann's book does say that WN168 was last flown as Green 9 by Reschke before being captured at Leck, flown around in England by E. Brown a bit, and then scrapped.
I got this rough translation from an online dictionary:
Final build machine. [Vrtulový] (cone/taper) RLM70 ________________. (Is/Them) (greatly/very) (probably/supposedly),
(because/so/that) plane(s) originaly (carried/took) yellow-red band (ahead/before/prior) SOP, (because/for) RLM 76 (Is/them) [v] (these/of these) [místech] (slightly/fairly) darker. Green nine has black border.
Which I'd say means:
Last machine built. Prop hub in #70 with white spiral. Most likely, because planes originaly bore yellow-red band before "SOP", the RLM 76 where the reich defense band used to be is slightly darker. Green 9 is outlined in black.
I also found one more profile for WN's 003, 167, and 168 in Model Art. They have different colors, but the patterns are almost identical :lol
WN 003:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2350/2350418140_e44d763094_b.jpg) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2350/2350418140_176fdeae7c_o.jpg)
WN 167:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2349588677_c287f67307_b.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2349588677_3f2d1bbb05_o.jpg)
WN 168:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2350419550_984f56a577_b.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2350419550_c8f03b330e_o.jpg)
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CI+XM are factory codes. Did it actually see combat dressed this way?
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If CI+XM saw combat? I don't know, that's a 152-C proto. I haven't researched those at all.
If WN 010 painted above as Green 4 ("Zelená čtyřka") did with RLM-81 over the '301 band, possibly. It would explain why the profile shows RLM 81 there, and would match the Czech WN 168 profile having RLM 76 over its own band. Knowing what SOP stands for might make or break this hypothesis..
WN 010 was captured at Erfurt in mid-April '45, but that '45 profile with RLM 81 over the tail band is for Langenhagen, which is 420mi north of there, out in Denmark.
A pic of all the locations.. (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3222/2350174787_10d966ae1e_o.png)
If anyone wants to have a go at translating more of the Czech text, here's the dictionary I used: http://www.wordbook.cz/index.php
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Here's my thinking: There was really only the stab of JG301 that had these (not counting JG11). Only the stab. The stab would have all the same color numbers. Most recognize that the other numbers are green. So I'm inclined to think "1" is green as well. That's not positive proof, but it stands to reason.
Indeed it does stand to reason. Perhaps some new information will come to light before I get finished with it.
At least this is a very small detail that can be changed quickly and easily.
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Here's my thinking: There was really only the stab of JG301 that had these (not counting JG11). Only the stab.
Krusty please give your references for this.
Another shot of WN 003 from that same photo session:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2352789290_ef35709d15_o.png)
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Moot, You should do the all orange one.
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Bodhi I'll be honest.. Fester blew a fuse when he heard I was trying to get refs for a skin of that scheme. He said it would be the only one flown, like the orange N1Ks. He also said other stuff like "orange ball of crap" which I apreciate but disagree with.. Nonetheless I'm sort of in agreement with him. Orange 152s all over AH, instead of historical skins...
What do you think?
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MAKE DA ORNGE one 5 duce woot!!!!!!!one!!eleven1!
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It's a real scheme... so you cant it is not historical.
I would like to see it. Everyone has there opinions though.
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Here's my thinking: There was really only the stab of JG301 that had these (not counting JG11). Only the stab. The stab would have all the same color numbers. Most recognize that the other numbers are green. So I'm inclined to think "1" is green as well. That's not positive proof, but it stands to reason.
Sigh.. Krusty, this is wrong. II/JG301 had them, there is photographic and other evidence. Yellow numbers there btw.
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Bodhi, I will probably do it just to sub for painting a real model :P I'll let the idea float and see if I think it's worth submitting once that's done. I'm split 50/50 on this one..
Fencer, I have references saying II gruppe never got them, and that only Stab, I, and III gruppe had them. I am sorting out all the info I've accumulated on the 152 up to now, and I'll post here what I've got that says so.
Where did you find out about WN 025? I never saw anything about it, besides a brief mention in Harmann's book.
Original scans of the Czech profile pages, without the coloring on top:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12420910@N07/2352631251/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12420910@N07/2353461246/sizes/l/
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I am terribly sorry I should have type III in lieu of II. However the planes were marked with a II Gruppe bar.
Ah yes 0025.. I am working on it now, once I am finished I will post all the info and pics.
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It's a real scheme... so you cant it is not historical.
I would like to see it. Everyone has there opinions though.
It was used once, on an unarmed plane, to fly between factories for testing.
It was NOT a combat skin, nor a unit skin, nor a front line skin.
I'd blow the same fuze that Fester did if you tried to get this in-game.
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Sigh.. Krusty, this is wrong. II/JG301 had them, there is photographic and other evidence. Yellow numbers there btw.
Cool, Fester! Didn't know that. Most typical sources say only the stab of JG301 had 'em. :aok
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Cool, Fester! Didn't know that. Most typical sources say only the stab of JG301 had 'em. :aok
Glad you think so Krunchy. :lol
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Anyone know where the 30mm shell casings left the aircraft on the TA152?
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30mm exit:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2326/2355001593_85a5cae0f1_o.png)
The chute's missing, the round exits right in the middle of that panel line, so it should be there on any blueprint of the plane.. I'll find one if you haven't already.
Wear and tear on a 152C.. I suppose this would be the same sort of wear & tear you'd find on an H model.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2407/2355820394_dbf60658a1_o.png)
More translations of the Czech text:
150 010 Aalborg 1945:
[no idea what this first sentence means, rough translation is: "To this day (come down) machine/engine, (having/fraught) (contain) (three/of the three) [ruské] fighter."] Ruské's not in the dictionary. "Ruské kolo" is Ferris wheel, kolo being wheel. Ruska and Rusky are "Russian".
On the fuselage appear to be the letters CS, in scrubbed whitish blue (factory code CW+CJ?).
RVD yellow/red band was subsequently painted over in one camouflage color around the tail's circumference. >>> hint of transfer out of 301?
Green four is bordered in black. Upper scheme like V3.
WN 150 005, Cottbus '45:
This Ta152 (to merge) after, without number code, (u) JG301. Upper surfaces same as Ta152V3.
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Wheres fester at? :rofl
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/ta152orn.jpg)
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It was used once, on an unarmed plane, to fly between factories for testing.
It was NOT a combat skin, nor a unit skin, nor a front line skin.
I'd blow the same fuze that Fester did if you tried to get this in-game.
How do you know it never saw combat? It was being tested in a combat zone. How do you know it was unarmed.
How do you know it was repainted?
It was a skin of an aircraft being tested in a war that was close to the end.
At the time of testing, the area they were operating was the same location the other Ta152's in the unit were flying. Maybe they should not be included.
You or Fester blowing a fuse is irrelevant. You have no proof that it did or did not see combat. Definitive proof from that time period is very difficult to find.
Stop being a know-it-all.
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Wheres fester at? :rofl
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/ta152orn.jpg)
I LOVE it Larry! WOOT!
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Jesus, Larry, you've been a very busy man.
Nice detail work mate. Combined with the colours you've been doing lately your 152 should be absolutely chit-hot (chit-hot = good... just incase you guys are missing your Australian dictionaries).
:salute
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Larry's skin limes on that are cherry!
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Wear and tear on a 152C.. I suppose this would be the same sort of wear & tear you'd find on an H model.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2407/2355820394_dbf60658a1_o.png)
Wow, that's far more advanced paint wear than I had expected.
Great photo.. Thanks m00t.
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That's a prototype mule, so the wear might be exceptional. By the last days, though, some planes probably had patches as used as that.
Caption for 167 in the Czech book reads:
"WN 167, Straubing, undoubtedly JG301, 1945"
Předposlední vyrobený stroj o jehož bojovém nasazení vypovídá značnně opotřebovaný povrch křídel u trupu.
Penultimate made machine ("o") which/whose (martial) (deployment/setting) testifies well/substantialy attrited surface (wing/aileron) and fuselage.
The profile looks like it was based at least in part on this picture (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2350556334_900cd763cf_o.jpg). You can see the wear that the profile shows there.
I'm not sure if that's really a different band of color on the tail, it sort of looks like it's just damp with some liquid. Or maybe they used whatever random paint color they had on hand. It doesn't look like green, which should be lighter than #81, not darker as on the picture.
The doted shading on WN003's horizontal stab is bare metal.
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Guys I was jokeing with that picture. :D
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Any of you know what RLM was used for the red tail bands?
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Simmer's Paintshop suggests RLM 23 Rot
RGB values:
R G B
158 21 25
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Yea I use that one for trim tabs, but from all the photos I seen it just looks to dark, and RLM 27 and 04 look a little to bright.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/ta152test1.jpg)
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Larry, could you post one of those pics?
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Im talking about photos like those profiles in this thread. Iv never seen any with that dark of red. I dont think Iv ever seen a color photo of a real Ta152, but I do have a color photo of a 190 with JG301's reich defence tail markings. I cant post it if you want.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/190ajg301.jpg)
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TK!!
Check PM's
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Note that of those, Green 3 is the default skin.
I guess that's the JG11 skin he was talking about.
Green 9 catches my eye, and I'd like to do it.
JG11 is Green 2, with the solid yellow band.
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Compared to that Fw 190, TK, your RVD looks too dark. Particularly the red, the photo makes it look like a very rich red.
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wow you guys do a great job, keep yup the good work, what program do u use to makes these, and could u paste a VERY brief example of what u do to make these. thanks
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Im thinking of going with somthing like this.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/ta152test2.jpg)
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wow you guys do a great job, keep yup the good work, what program do u use to makes these, and could u paste a VERY brief example of what u do to make these. thanks
I use Adobe Photoshop 7 and it does the job nicely. Unless you get it illegally, it's a costly program, though. I believe quite a few people use GIMP which is a free-download photo-editing program.
I have no idea what the features are like in GIMP.
These are the basic instructions to get you started:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,108740.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,108740.0.html)
Krusty also posted a little tutorial here somewhere too... You should be able to find it with a a forum search.
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Im thinking of going with somthing like this.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/ta152test2.jpg)
That looks much closer, IMO.
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I haven't seen it myself, but GIMPstudio's interface was made to be like PS.
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Research is taking too long, I just got started on WN 010 as Green 4 in the Czech profile. After that, I'll probably do 003 and 005 from the same page.
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The red numbers may not be incorrect.. I don't have everything figured out yet, but 10 Staffel (red numerals) recorded a kill on March 1st '45, so there might have been red numbers on the 152s at some point during the shuffles of reorganisation in the last weeks of action.
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This thread suggests that our Ta 152 will have one of the most comprehensive and high quality skin selections in the game. Hats off to all of you, particularly to Moot and everyone else who has contributed to the small library of information we now have here on the 152.
:salute
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Does anyone have a book that describes how paint was applied? e.g. Japo's "Focke-Wulf Fw 190D camouflage & markings" books describe it. I'd like to know exactly how they went about it.
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Does anyone have a book that describes how paint was applied? e.g. Japo's "fluffe-Wulf Fw 190D camouflage & markings" books describe it. I'd like to know exactly how they went about it.
I'll look and see what I have tonight.
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I'm not sure if you've thought of this or not, Tk, but your RLM 76 looks very blue. By that stage of the war, as I understand, there was no finite definition on colour so it may well be that your skin represents this variation in RLM colours as the standarisation broke down.... it just looks to me on my monitor that your colour choice is particularly blue.
As a side note, it was good fun defending that base with you the other night in GVs... That was definitely the most fun I've had on the ground in this game. :salute
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Yeah that's a strong hue TK. For comparison, Crandall's rendition of a 301 bird:
(http://www.eagle-editions.com/images/jg301.gif)
The most off-hue 76 that I think still looks good, from Wotan's JG53 109G-14 skin:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2223/2308285703_0463b27766_o.png
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How do you know it never saw combat? It was being tested in a combat zone. How do you know it was unarmed.
How do you know it was repainted?
It was a skin of an aircraft being tested in a war that was close to the end.
At the time of testing, the area they were operating was the same location the other Ta152's in the unit were flying. Maybe they should not be included.
You or Fester blowing a fuse is irrelevant. You have no proof that it did or did not see combat. Definitive proof from that time period is very difficult to find.
Stop being a know-it-all.
How do you know the Do335 wasn't used in combat missions? How do you know it wasn't used regularly by war-weary pilots?
You're using false arguments to justify a NON-COMBAT skin, just for the sake of... I don't know actually. Are you just trying to get a reaction, or you just want a colorful skin?
IL2 has lots of colorful skins. They even have lots of bright purple and green flames painted on their skins.
Maybe we should do that too, right?
<oldrolleyes>
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Actually the Do335 was used in combat. Pierre Clostermann shot at one and got out ran by it in his Tempest. Well that's what his book said. It also said he engaged TA152s... the new version of the book has changed this to 190D9s. :noid
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Anyone doing a TA152, check your material file. The default TA152 file has definate "white" issues on your skin. I just reshot mine with the default B-25C file (cammo bird) and it looks alot better.
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What's that?
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Look in the TA152H folder. There is a material.txt file which effects the way the skin is viewed in game. You can see what this does in the skin viewer.
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What was wrong with yours?
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It was creating a white sheen over the skin. Like the default skin. I replaced it and it looks better, try it.
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It was creating a white sheen over the skin. Like the default skin. I replaced it and it looks better, try it.
Replace it with what?
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How do you know the Do335 wasn't used in combat missions? How do you know it wasn't used regularly by war-weary pilots?
You're using false arguments to justify a NON-COMBAT skin, just for the sake of... I don't know actually. Are you just trying to get a reaction, or you just want a colorful skin?
IL2 has lots of colorful skins. They even have lots of bright purple and green flames painted on their skins.
Maybe we should do that too, right?
<oldrolleyes>
The Do335 was used seen in combat. Ask Pierre Closterman.
I am not using false arguments. I am using deductive reasoning. It is reasonable to expect that the skin did see combat as it was being tested in an area that combat operations were being conducted in. These guys were not flying 400 miles to engage in combat. It is often with in a 25 mile radius.
Couple that with allied pilots constantly looking for bases of Luftwaffe Aircraft, and you can reasonably expect that the aircraft was in combat, or ran from anything it encountered.
Again, I ask: "How do you know it wasn't armed?"
Krusty, you have no idea and are guessing. I am being reasonable and using basic logic. Just because you do not like it does not mean it did not serve.
Ohh, and as for the green flames or whatever, I really do not care. If it was a real skin, then use it for all I care.
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Replace it with what?
I used the material file from Fester's default B-25C skin.
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See the March issue of Scale Aviation Modeller.
http://www.sampublications.com/pages_dpsinsets/mam/mam_0703_dora_dps.htm (http://www.sampublications.com/pages_dpsinsets/mam/mam_0703_dora_dps.htm)
(http://www.sampublications.com/images/mam_dps_insets/mam_0703_lang_s.jpg)
wrngway
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I posted this before but the forum ate it. The default skin's panel lines are wrong at the wing root, they are too far from it, radialy. The belly is also missing a bunch of holes and gaps and stuff, near and forward of the wingroot's level.
Does anyone know what the story is with black/brown exhausts' material? Brown seems to be the most common.