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Title: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: Anaxogoras on March 20, 2008, 10:06:08 PM
The new gun emplacements on the destroyers (right?) have really made a difference.  I was flying at about 300ias 7k+ ft over an enemy fleet, in a banking turn, and then crack-crack! Pilot wound. @#$$@!#  Crack-ping!  Oil hit! @%@#%  and then my wing was blown off.  I'm not going to complain because low flying B-24's trying to kamikazi the fleets are never going to get close. :devil
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: stephen on March 20, 2008, 10:24:40 PM
cv ack is nutz,,,, you guys have really done it this time..... :rock
though I think a direct hit like I ricieved tonight at 4.5 might be a might much, I applaude the way it keeps bombers at hi alt, divebombing is a thingof the past...even in jabo's. :mad:
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: Xasthur on March 21, 2008, 12:00:40 AM
This is an excellent improvement. The fighter-targeting aspect of it is still a little over-the-top, in my opinion.

Last night I was banging around with OddCAF on a very long range sortie, I was in a 152 and he was in his 'Mossie of Death'. We were at 20k searching for a lone dar-bar con and I took a slap from the CV puffy ack from half a sector away and extending.

Thankfully it was just a slap and no damage was taken but it does seem odd that a fighter travelling at 400 mph on a highly variable course (I was not on auto-level, I was altering my heading and altitude significantly) would take hits like that and remain firmly 'boxed' by ack through these evasive maneuvers.

Perhaps the CV gunners were that good.... but I suspect that this is a little too 'super-ack' to be realistic.

Your thoughts, lads?
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: moot on March 21, 2008, 12:06:10 AM
Boxed-in is the right term, that's how flak works in AH.  The ack explosions are generated around you, they have no ballistics between the guns and the target.  That means there's no way to dodge them.
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: LYNX on March 21, 2008, 12:50:51 AM
SNIP
I applaude the way it keeps bombers at hi alt, divebombing is a thingof the past...even in jabo's. :mad:

Don't you kid yourself.  Their still at it and getting through.

I am thankful for all the extra 5" guns.  A very welcomed addition I must say but if the guns aren't manned then there not manned.  Even if they all were it's only a matter of time before they whittle away the defences when rinse and repeat suiciding bombers abound.

Mentioning manning all the guns.....who actually is going to take the field, if that's your gig?

Over all the new fleet is groovy
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: Spikes on March 21, 2008, 12:55:53 AM
I love the new fleets. They are much more protected and will due in for longer fun CV battles. Most pilots can't bomb from high alt and get a CV. With the new fleets, NOE buffs = DENIED. Low-alt JABOs = DENIED.

Heck, you can bring in one destroyer to a field and get 2 guys in the 5" and it is a fleet in itself now...
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: SkyRock on March 21, 2008, 01:54:42 AM
SkyRock<---sank two CV's today in level lanc's NP! :uhoh
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: Elfie on March 21, 2008, 02:08:49 AM
SkyRock<---sank two CV's today in level lanc's NP! :uhoh

Check your PMs.

Btw...what the heck are you doing in buffs now?  :O   :uhoh



 :D
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: Strip on March 21, 2008, 04:17:13 AM
I cant get near puff ack in a fighter. I took 4-5 hits in less than a minute at 13k doing 400 mph while manuevering! :rolleyes:

Strip(er)
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: IronDog on March 21, 2008, 09:41:15 AM
I was on a CV that got sunk,so they are still getting thru.However they are paying a high price,as it should be.Very few kamikazes got thru,so it's helping the realism of the game I feel.The Wirbelwind are having the same effect on vultchers and base capture.These new toys have caused changes in the game that are a good thing.Leave them alone,as in no perking.If you want to perk something,go after the ones that need it,Lgay7's,Spixteens,and floating,ufo, niki's, and Hawgs.
IronDog
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: xtyger on March 21, 2008, 09:52:54 AM
New guns are deadly indeed. On a different note, I really like the new tower. It allows you to look all around and see more of what's happening around the fleet before you take off.
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: VonMessa on March 21, 2008, 10:38:23 AM
I'd say maybe a bit over the top for non-manned ack.  Especially over strats.

Twice last night I was in a TA-152 making passes on buffs approx 12-15K (right about cloud deck)  and I was MOOving!  I couldn't recall exact speed but I had the ol' nose shake going.  Made one pass, boom got a buff.  By the time I extended and came back for another pass, we were getting near a strat and the ack was starting to crank up.  Boom, hit the second buff and BOOM, I'm in the tower  one ack hit, it was nuts.

Repeat pretty much the same scenario again (different buffs) but same speed/alt/situation (killed  1 buff)  made second pass BOOM  in the tower from strat ack.          :uhoh

Like an SOS pad, scouring the skies clean of enemy aircraft.    :pray
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: waystin2 on March 21, 2008, 11:41:47 AM
I'd say maybe a bit over the top for non-manned ack.  Especially over strats.

Twice last night I was in a TA-152 making passes on buffs approx 12-15K (right about cloud deck)  and I was MOOving!  I couldn't recall exact speed but I had the ol' nose shake going.  Made one pass, boom got a buff.  By the time I extended and came back for another pass, we were getting near a strat and the ack was starting to crank up.  Boom, hit the second buff and BOOM, I'm in the tower  one ack hit, it was nuts.

Repeat pretty much the same scenario again (different buffs) but same speed/alt/situation (killed  1 buff)  made second pass BOOM  in the tower from strat ack.          :uhoh

Like an SOS pad, scouring the skies clean of enemy aircraft.    :pray

Hey von,

Everyone knows that puffy Ack only hits Axis Rides!  Should of took a Spitty out!   :rofl

<Salute>

Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: VonMessa on March 21, 2008, 11:44:21 AM
I'd rather masturbate with a cheese grater, Danke.        :O
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: VansCrew1 on March 21, 2008, 11:45:22 AM
SkyRock<---sank two CV's today in level lanc's NP! :uhoh

Skyrock can bomb?  :uhoh
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: Gryffin on March 21, 2008, 11:45:37 AM
Boxed-in is the right term, that's how flak works in AH.  The ack explosions are generated around you, they have no ballistics between the guns and the target.  That means there's no way to dodge them.

Does the size of the box that explosions can be in change in size as your range from the CV changes?
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: Anaxogoras on March 21, 2008, 11:53:29 AM
Let's add a few other variables:

Does the size of the box increase with the target's...
airspeed?
altitude?

Does the size of the box increase when the target is
changing heading?
rapidly gaining/losing altitude?

 :noid
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: hitech on March 21, 2008, 12:07:00 PM
I'd rather masturbate with a cheese grater, Danke.        :O

Would you care for a little whine with that?

Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 21, 2008, 12:08:05 PM
Check your PMs.

Btw...what the heck are you doing in buffs now?  :O   :uhoh



 :D

Are you sure he said in a buff or flew in the buff?


ack-ack
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: waystin2 on March 21, 2008, 12:44:16 PM
I'd rather masturbate with a cheese grater, Danke.        :O

Ouch! :rofl
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: VonMessa on March 21, 2008, 01:32:03 PM
Would you care for a little whine with that?



Depends, what year and volume?   A quiet sophisticated veteran whine or a shrill, high-pitched squeaker vintage?  I guess it depends whose grapes got stomped to make it. 

Darn shame actually.  I don't have much wine here.  Plenty of beer though.  20-30 gallons or so. 

Sorry to disappoint you.  A 20 year old single malt and cheese just doesn't sound like it fits like it does with whine and cheese.  But then again, a couple belts o' the good stuff might make for easier going with the cheese grater.

Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: stephen on March 21, 2008, 03:54:46 PM
Is it just me or does the fleet move a bit faster after the carrier dies? I shot 3 loads of torps at the cruiser and the sukker was outrunning em... :huh
Title: Re: CV Ack - Yikes!
Post by: DaddyAck on March 22, 2008, 01:37:52 AM
Oh I love the new look first of all.  Second of all, the new gun emplacements are sweet.  Great job HTC.   :aok 


I hope this is finally enough to stop the dive bombing Lancasters.
 :noid