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Title: Landing
Post by: BMV1995 on March 21, 2008, 09:23:52 AM
I have a BIG problem with landing.
When I go down with about 80 mph and gears out I touched the ground and kind of make 3 or more summersaults (forward flibs) :uhoh
can ANYONE help? :cry I tried everthying and did everthying as described on the website. :huh
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: jimson on March 21, 2008, 10:03:30 AM
Here's what I did, I practiced in a fm2 or f4f, they seem a little easier to land. Make sure you flare enough, that is to ease back on the stick just prior to touch down so the nose raises and you can settle into a 3point landing. (tail wheel and landing gear hitting at the same time)
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Tails80 on March 21, 2008, 10:08:06 AM
Um well u have to make sure you aren't stalling. If you are thats your problem. Second of all you want a good approach. Start at about 2,000 if  you can. And slowly descend as your extending your flaps. Then you wanna push the nose forward just a little before u touchdown.


    Right before you touch the concrete(asphalt) whatever it is you wanna pull up just a tad so that your wheels are level with the runway. This will give u a smooth landing. Engage your brakes stay on the runway and you o.k. try that if it doesn't work repost and tell me what went wrong:)
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: CAP1 on March 23, 2008, 11:11:39 AM
I have a BIG problem with landing.
When I go down with about 80 mph and gears out I touched the ground and kind of make 3 or more summersaults (forward flibs) :uhoh
can ANYONE help? :cry I tried everthying and did everthying as described on the website. :huh

practice offline first. when you've chosen the runway that you're going to land on, fly paralellel to it at about 1,000 ft alt. by midfield, be at about 150-160 or so. as you pass the end of the runway, reduce throttle a bit, and deploy 1 notch of flaps if she starts to feel mushy. you can allow her to start descending a bit too. i like to be about 700 ft alt when i turn base. wait for it to be about 45 degrees off your wing, then turn base, continuing your descent. at about 500 ft alt, turn final. at this point, you should be about 500 ft alt, and about 125 or so speed.(and you can continue deploying flaps as needed, but never full flaps this far out)now, you place the aim point(use the end of the runway since there's no numbers on em)in the middle of your windscreen, and keep it there. adjust your throttle as needed. in this configuration, your power seting controls your rate of descent, and your attitude settingcontrols your speed.as you approach your aim point, slow down to about 100(i generally cross the threshold at this speed) with full flaps. as your aimpoint goes under your nose, lift your nose to level, and hold alt. you may need to work the throttle a bit to keep it soft. now focus your attention at the other end of the runway, and reduce throttle to idle. as you let her settle in. if you did the descent right, you should've only been about 10-20 ft alt when you crossed your aimpoint. as you;'re trying to hold alt, you're lifting your nose, and this is helping you lose speed, and she's still slowly descending. as you approach stall speed, you'll hear the buzzer, and should at this point gently touch down, then work the wheel brakes(but hold back on the stick to prevent ground loop). it takes practice, and once you've gotten used to this, you can eliminate the pattern, as that'll get ya killed in the MA's(that's why i told you to practice this offline.)use the practice mission to help ya. after you kill the AI, it warps you back into the field pattern.
 this is actually how we land cessnas, although the speeds in them are considerably lower than here(i cross the threshold at about 50-60ktias, and hold her in the flare till she stalls into an almost perfectly silent landing)

hope this helps some!!!!!!

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Title: Re: Landing
Post by: CAP1 on March 23, 2008, 11:14:20 AM
Um well u have to make sure you aren't stalling. If you are thats your problem. Second of all you want a good approach. Start at about 2,000 if  you can. And slowly descend as your extending your flaps. Then you wanna push the nose forward just a little before u touchdown.




   :)

WRONGO!!!

the good landings are full stall landings. if you have time to land properly, then ideally, you WANT to hear the stall horn just before/as you touch down. you can still land without stalling, but you need to be pitched nowe up slightly..as if entering a stall.
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: BMV1995 on March 23, 2008, 03:57:02 PM
So i tried your tips and they helped! :aok
But usually something broke (usually the engine) :uhoh
Is that a problem? Do i if i press end sortie and i kind of landed (on the runway) do i get hte message you ditched or you landed succesfully? :frown:
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: CAP1 on March 23, 2008, 06:09:44 PM
So i tried your tips and they helped! :aok
But usually something broke (usually the engine) :uhoh
Is that a problem? Do i if i press end sortie and i kind of landed (on the runway) do i get hte message you ditched or you landed succesfully? :frown:

as long as you're stationary on the runway, you get a successful mission ended. if you're breaking things, then your timing's just a bit off, but don't get discouraged!!!! keep practicing, and it gets much much easier. once you've managed to get that timing down, you can start working on "combat" landings....just getting down and onto the runway fast and safe.

i'm glad this helped!!!
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: EskimoJoe on March 23, 2008, 06:14:15 PM
Make sure you're  nose is above the horizon when you're landing. If you're looking even at the other side of the runway, you're bound to break something. So just before touchdown, throttle up a little bit to bring your nose up, and gently touch down.
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Tigger29 on March 23, 2008, 06:59:06 PM
You can try what I do 90% of the time.  I'm actually more successful at fast landings than if I take my time and do it slow and easy.

Also if there are enemies nearby, you want to get on the ground as fast as possible (without tearing your plane apart).

Here's something to try to practice:

Book into the base doing about 300-350mph... both way too high and way too fast.

When you start getting close, throttle all the way down, give it full right rudder and use elevators and aileron to try to keep the plane's wings level, and flying towards the runway.

The rudder will act as a sort of speed brake, slowing you down in a hurry!

At 200 MPH (250 for the P51) drop your landing gear (nevermind the groaning, crunching sounds) and start dumping flaps.  If the flaps don't deploy, try again at 150MPH.

If you time it right, once your flaps kick in you can let up on the rudder and be right at the end of the runway.  Touch down at 140-150 mph, apply full wheel brakes, and keep swerving the plane to the left and right sides of the runway using rudder (this will help you slow down to a stop).

If you're in a bind and think you're going to overshoot the runway, go to the left edge of the runway and give it full right flaps... your airplane will quick turn right, then skid sideways and break off the left wing, but about 90% of the time you'll stop on the pavement (hence a 'successful' landing).

Now I know I'll get criticized for this technique, but the fact is it DOES work, and if you're landing at a HOT base, it's really your only option for survival... plus it's a lot of fun to do.

Title: Re: Landing
Post by: CAP1 on March 23, 2008, 07:33:08 PM
You can try what I do 90% of the time.  I'm actually more successful at fast landings than if I take my time and do it slow and easy.

Also if there are enemies nearby, you want to get on the ground as fast as possible (without tearing your plane apart).

Here's something to try to practice:

Book into the base doing about 300-350mph... both way too high and way too fast.

When you start getting close, throttle all the way down, give it full right rudder and use elevators and aileron to try to keep the plane's wings level, and flying towards the runway.

The rudder will act as a sort of speed brake, slowing you down in a hurry!

At 200 MPH (250 for the P51) drop your landing gear (nevermind the groaning, crunching sounds) and start dumping flaps.  If the flaps don't deploy, try again at 150MPH.

If you time it right, once your flaps kick in you can let up on the rudder and be right at the end of the runway.  Touch down at 140-150 mph, apply full wheel brakes, and keep swerving the plane to the left and right sides of the runway using rudder (this will help you slow down to a stop).

If you're in a bind and think you're going to overshoot the runway, go to the left edge of the runway and give it full right flaps... your airplane will quick turn right, then skid sideways and break off the left wing, but about 90% of the time you'll stop on the pavement (hence a 'successful' landing).

Now I know I'll get criticized for this technique, but the fact is it DOES work, and if you're landing at a HOT base, it's really your only option for survival... plus it's a lot of fun to do.



nothing wrong with that method.......that's why i told hiim to practice offline first.......

with the way you're saying, it's not the rudder that's being a brake, but rather the whole aircraft itself, as what you're describing is a foward slip. we use it to bleed off speed and alt quickly.  i don't however agree with swerving on the runway or touching down at 150 or so......too fast, and too much chance of groundloop and ending up off the runway.

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Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Hazard69 on March 23, 2008, 11:11:46 PM
You can try what I do 90% of the time.  I'm actually more successful at fast landings than if I take my time and do it slow and easy.

Also if there are enemies nearby, you want to get on the ground as fast as possible (without tearing your plane apart).

Here's something to try to practice:

Book into the base doing about 300-350mph... both way too high and way too fast.

When you start getting close, throttle all the way down, give it full right rudder and use elevators and aileron to try to keep the plane's wings level, and flying towards the runway.

The rudder will act as a sort of speed brake, slowing you down in a hurry!

At 200 MPH (250 for the P51) drop your landing gear (nevermind the groaning, crunching sounds) and start dumping flaps.  If the flaps don't deploy, try again at 150MPH.

If you time it right, once your flaps kick in you can let up on the rudder and be right at the end of the runway.  Touch down at 140-150 mph, apply full wheel brakes, and keep swerving the plane to the left and right sides of the runway using rudder (this will help you slow down to a stop).

If you're in a bind and think you're going to overshoot the runway, go to the left edge of the runway and give it full right flaps... your airplane will quick turn right, then skid sideways and break off the left wing, but about 90% of the time you'll stop on the pavement (hence a 'successful' landing).

Now I know I'll get criticized for this technique, but the fact is it DOES work, and if you're landing at a HOT base, it's really your only option for survival... plus it's a lot of fun to do.

That swerving on the runway can be dicy, if you apply too much rudder you plane may topple over and then you may end up out of the runway. Best way to bring it to a sudden stop is, slow down below 150mph, full flaps and gear extended. Just before touch down (ensure V/S less than -1000fpm) retract gear and touch down slightly nose up. That should put you on ground without any danger of going off the runway. Will kill your engine though. :aok
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Spikes on March 23, 2008, 11:26:47 PM
Landing is overrated...just belly the sucker.
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: EskimoJoe on March 24, 2008, 12:02:35 AM
Landing is overrated...just belly the sucker.
Every time  :cool:
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: CAP1 on March 24, 2008, 01:17:59 AM
Landing is overrated...just belly the sucker.

flying is mans 2nd greatest thrill.
landing is man's 1st greatest thrill :aok

every part of the flight is an option, except for the landing.
the 2 most usless things to a pilot are the air above him, and the runway behind him
 :D
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Guppy35 on March 24, 2008, 01:48:11 AM
I have a BIG problem with landing.
When I go down with about 80 mph and gears out I touched the ground and kind of make 3 or more summersaults (forward flibs) :uhoh
can ANYONE help? :cry I tried everthying and did everthying as described on the website. :huh

I've been landing that way for years.  Sounds like you've got it down well :)
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Soulyss on March 24, 2008, 01:50:51 AM
With landings like that, in the 80th not only would you qualify, but probably be made the instructor of landing procedures.

:)

Title: Re: Landing
Post by: uberslet on March 24, 2008, 05:58:12 AM
WRONGO!!!

the good landings are full stall landings. if you have time to land properly, then ideally, you WANT to hear the stall horn just before/as you touch down. you can still land without stalling, but you need to be pitched nowe up slightly..as if entering a stall.
i always use full flaps, and flop ont o the runway in a stall, since i never rearm, i dont mind losing my engine. i usually rtb w/ 4, MAYBE 5 BUT get killed half way home :(
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: CAP1 on March 24, 2008, 07:10:51 AM
i always use full flaps, and flop ont o the runway in a stall, since i never rearm, i dont mind losing my engine. i usually rtb w/ 4, MAYBE 5 BUT get killed half way home :(

at least you get them. i was on for the firstr time last night in weeks......spent more time LOOKING for a good fight than fighting. kept getting tag-teamed, or finding ack hiders/ runners, or bomber astronaughts. i think the most kills i got in one run last night was 3..........
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Cee64E on March 24, 2008, 01:13:47 PM
  I've been flying flight sims and RC planes for years and one thing holds true through all of it: Practice.  There are a few things to remember though.  At low speeds and high angles of attack, throttle controls your rate of decent.  Ideally you want to fly your whole approach with your nose on the horizon, but sometimes gravity doesn't pull hard enough for how fast you're going so a little nose down is ok.  The main thing is to get your speed down enough to be wheels and flaps down as you cross the end of the runway.  Rudder slips work well, I've even done that when rolled onto one wingtip to slow down AND lose alt fast.  The trick is in the flare, that little bit of nose up you give it just before you touch down.  Ideally you should just start hearing the stall buzzer come on as you touch down.  If you hear it before touchdown, give the throttle a little goose.  Once you're down, use rudder to keep you going straight.  Remember that pulling back on the stick locks the tail wheel and makes tracking down the runway much easier.  Just be sure to wait till your speed bleeds off before yanking the stick back or you'll hop up just high enough to stall and crash.  My final advice is to practice your landings in something that has a nose wheel.  Tri gears all handle better on the ground than tail draggers.  Good luck and good practice
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Alky on March 24, 2008, 01:34:49 PM
Landing is overrated...just belly the sucker.
Excellent brakes that way too!  :rock :D
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Chewybacca on March 25, 2008, 09:59:06 PM
try to have a good angle. not to steep not to low. Dont stall. Press spacebar to brake, turn off engine.
 :salute
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: EskimoJoe on March 25, 2008, 11:03:29 PM
I will draw you a picture  :noid

Go from here :                                                                   __
                                                                                | __/     \______/|
                                                                                |\___    _______ |
                                                                                      /   /O          o
                                                                                     /_ /





To here :
                                                                                        __
                                                                                | __/     \______/|
                                                                                |\___    _______ |
_____________________________ _________________________/   /O_____o_______________
                                                                                      /_ /


 :rofl






Title: Re: Landing
Post by: CAP1 on March 26, 2008, 12:10:33 AM
  I've been flying flight sims and RC planes for years and one thing holds true through all of it: Practice.  There are a few things to remember though.  At low speeds and high angles of attack, throttle controls your rate of decent.  Ideally you want to fly your whole approach with your nose on the horizon, but sometimes gravity doesn't pull hard enough for how fast you're going so a little nose down is ok.  The main thing is to get your speed down enough to be wheels and flaps down as you cross the end of the runway.  Rudder slips work well, I've even done that when rolled onto one wingtip to slow down AND lose alt fast.  The trick is in the flare, that little bit of nose up you give it just

i'm an r/c pilot too.....for about 7 years now. i have everything from a small electric corsair(lipo powered outrunner) to an 80" P51D. i have a world models T34 tht just about lands itself, a scale t34 that flys wonderfully, and an extra 300 that i absolutly love. my overall favorite though is the pony. it has a saito 4 stroke, is capable of 150 actual, and looks incredible doing a show pass, or a big slow barrel roll.

i've got 3 helis, and 2 trucks too :D



anyway, the foward slip is good for landing in a hurry...but don't forget.....this person was having trouble with basic landings. that's why i was teling him to actually fly a proper pattern and do it off line. that'd let him get good, very quickly, then he could advance to the harder stuff.

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Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Cee64E on March 26, 2008, 05:37:22 PM
i'm an r/c pilot too.....for about 7 years now. i have everything from a small electric corsair(lipo powered outrunner) to an 80" P51D. i have a world models T34 tht just about lands itself, a scale t34 that flys wonderfully, and an extra 300 that i absolutly love. my overall favorite though is the pony. it has a saito 4 stroke, is capable of 150 actual, and looks incredible doing a show pass, or a big slow barrel roll.

I'm extremely jealous.  I've been flying RC semi regularly since the 70s.  Always had to do it on a budget though so I scratch built a lot of half-a planes.  The biggest one I own now is an original Duraplane 40 that I use to train new pilots.  I have a few of the Cox ARFs and a Global Gas Stick 10 with a thundertiger 15.  I just recently got an AxeCP heli but I'm a little nervous about flying that one yet.  Need more sim time. :D  If you want speed i used to have an Ace GLH2 with a Cox TD .051 that could hit 100 going into a pylon turn... :aok
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: uberslet on March 26, 2008, 08:04:32 PM
flying is mans 2nd greatest thrill.
landing is man's 1st greatest thrill :aok

every part of the flight is an option, except for the landing.
the 2 most usless things to a pilot are the air above him, and the runway behind him
 :D
2 most useless things to me r my used bullets, hit or miss, and the tower id ont wish to see, but probably will....I R TEH UBER NOOB!  :D
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: hammer on March 28, 2008, 11:30:59 AM
Here is Rolex's excellent write-up on Landing at Airfields (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/combatlanding/combatlanding.htm) from the Trainers' Website (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/).

Regards,

Hammer
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: BaldEagl on March 28, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
I have a BIG problem with landing.
When I go down with about 80 mph and gears out I touched the ground and kind of make 3 or more summersaults (forward flibs) :uhoh
can ANYONE help? :cry I tried everthying and did everthying as described on the website. :huh

Sounds like a born SAPP member.
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: FireDrgn on March 28, 2008, 12:57:53 PM
Pretty much the same for all planes i fly...... Landing gear comes down at just under 200 .............Land with one notch of flaps and just a little throttle......YOu want to be above the stall speed of your plane about 125 .... If you come in with just a little throttle it makes all the differance in the world. As soon as your down gently reduce throttle to 0 hit both brakes at the same time. RAISE flaps and gently pull back on stick.  As u reduce throttle you will have to move the rudder so plane will stay straight....


If you want to land with "training wheels"... Line up straight with runway.... gear down ...HIT "X" key ...and just throttle back and adjust flaps so u dont stall... You want to start your aproach speed between 140 and 110. and you want to be reall low on the runway....
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: patsfan110 on March 30, 2008, 01:43:26 PM
what i do is tilt back a lot and once you touch the ground, start trying to stop.
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: EvlPrsn on March 30, 2008, 02:59:22 PM
as long as ur on the runway, its a good landing   :aok

on a more serious note, how is it that u can take off and fly, but not land?  last time i had trouble landing a plane was when i was about 7....
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: BMV1995 on March 30, 2008, 03:12:44 PM
as long as ur on the runway, its a good landing   :aok

on a more serious note, how is it that u can take off and fly, but not land?  last time i had trouble landing a plane was when i was about 7....
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well i kind of was going to fast...
about 200 mph -400 mph  :rolleyes:
and i just kind of stalled not landed and then died :rofl
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: EvlPrsn on March 31, 2008, 11:53:35 AM
as long as ur on the runway, its a good landing   :aok

on a more serious note, how is it that u can take off and fly, but not land?  last time i had trouble landing a plane was when i was about 7....

well i kind of was going to fast...
about 200 mph -400 mph  :rolleyes:
and i just kind of stalled not landed and then died :rofl

if u would slow down, u'd have been fine   :aok
Title: Re: Landing
Post by: Cee64E on March 31, 2008, 05:37:39 PM
200 to 400 Mph?  :huh Well there's your problem...... :D