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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKDejaVu on April 03, 2001, 12:22:00 AM
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OK.. I just made a hell of a breakthrough in automating the top 10 pilots listings. It looks as if I'll have the data gathered by tomorrow night. Then I just have to create the individual aircraft tables and its all set. Should have it completed by late tomorrow evening.
Say what you want about Mr Gates, sometimes I think MS products simply rule. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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And don't worry Ronni.. its only 1 query every 3 to 6 seconds (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Great Deja, thx for the effort every tour. Sure wish they'd put this type of stat thingie on their web page, then we could check the top ten anytime we want during the tour.
One request, do you think you could put neon lights around the top ta152 pilot, whoever he may be? I just think he should deserve the highest honors for risking his ta512 at sub 20k altitudes and mixing it up with Spits and Niks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
fscott
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Pad yourself on the back a little more fscott, and you end up breaking both your arms (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (this may now formally be seen as a joke. Just to clarify. For those lacking humor or reading mischief into my statement. A joke. Banter. Nothing serious. Again, the answer is 42)
I'm 19:1 in the TA-152, you're 55:6, Kirin is 59:11. Think kirin and you are the top scorers here. it does take some cojones to take a Ta-152 down low, especially as virtually *everyone* will go for you, trying to rob those perkies from you. It does quite decently down low, but isn't a superplane there.
Deja, any chance you can include K/D ratio? Some people have very many kills, but also quite a lot of deaths in their respective planes. Would be interesting to see how the top scorers do here.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Deja, any chance you can include K/D ratio? Some people have very many kills, but also quite a lot of deaths in their respective planes. Would be interesting to see how the top scorers do here.
Working on it. I still need to come up with a minimum number of kills system for it though. I believe I'll have to make it plane dependant. Something like 100 min for the CHog and 5 min for the C.202.
I'm also going to do a "Top 10 against" list that will feature top 10 pilots against each type of aircraft.
AKDejaVu
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I've done 60-0 in a p-38L (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
nanner nanner
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I've done 60-0 in a p-38L
Time to quit living in the past. What have you done for us lately? :P
AKDejaVu
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risking his ta512 at sub 20k altitudes and mixing it up with Spits and Niks
<cough> <gack> Risking what?
You mean popping someone when they aint looking by zooming thru furballs and picking off someone else who is already occupied with an opponant or two?
lol. the top ten award goes to the folks who like to sucker punch someone when they're already in a fight.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 04-03-2001).]
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Wow.. excellent generalization westy.
I'll tell drex you said that. Afterall, he'll probably win for the D25. I know he never gets into a furball and mixes it up.. only hangs way above it picking people off. Er.. wait... He IS in the furball and usually outnumbered. And I know this because I never get into furballs when flying in my Yak.. I just hang out above them. Er... wait... that can't be true either, because almost all of my deaths have occured in furballs.
What I really like about your attitude is the general undertone that anyone doing better than someone in a plane is doing it by flying in a manner you do not aprove of. The truth is that everybody flies differently. Some lean more towards one style than another, but no two pilots are exactly the same. Also, every option is equally available to every player. Some time, try hanging out over a fight and just picking one or two of without getting someone on your 6. See how well you do. Then figure how well you'd have to do to get 100 straight of those type of kills. Then try it in a P-51.
Or better yet... How about getting on with your life.
AKDejaVu
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Message edited for stupidity (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And spelling (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by aztec (edited 04-03-2001).]
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That's interesteing...got killed just yesterday by Drex mixing it up in a furball.
Drex gets most of his kills in furballs. He's usually right in the middle of them. Sarcasm is not always conveyed properly in type.
AKDejaVu
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Time to quit living in the past. What have you done for us lately? :P
AKDejaVu
I'm working on getting a job flying, so be patient (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I'll be back and when I am you can kill me over and over till all the rust is off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I didn't see Drex post here AKdejavu so you do whatever your typical knee jerk reaction tells you ya got to do.
Drex does it too. In a furball I watch him head for the guy occupied. He picks off these easy guys first with a sucker punch. But! Then he moves on and uses his skilll in one on one and one on more. I never see him "run" after a delivering a hit. He stays local and mixes it up. there is a big difference between someone like Drex and the Fishu/Hristu 109 perch above, drop down, sucker punch type and ru__ er extend as they call it.
Most of the folks I see with 60/9 or other massively lopsided K/D are of the fly safe, hit when not seen and then emmediatley run. I call it the "sucker punch.". There is no skill to it, just buckets of time and a quick hat finger so one canrun if another higher alt sucker puncher is preparing to do it to you first.
If you think I'm supposed to be impressed by them or thier supposed "Score" you''re sadly and grossly mistaken. I find that type of <cough> fighting to be boring as all hell.
But I'm also not telling them how to fly and fight so they can keep doing it till the cows come home if they choose.
Or better yet... How about getting on with your life.
THAT, coming from you, that is priceless.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 04-03-2001).]
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IMO, stats are just that, stats. They neither relect the actual combat taking place, or the 'skill' within...that's why we have a ladder, to measure ones ACM skill with another. In the MA mentality, stats can be skewed with a high degree..so, to conclude, stats only satisfy those who are looking for data within the stats. Make sense? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Westy I know what you are talking about, if I want to live longer I fly higher and wait for the furball to envelope and dive down and nail whoever is fighting someone "But then again what fun is this?" Only time I do this, is when I am with a squad m8 who has asked for help. Usually I am on the receiving end of these hits. Getting pounced by the guy who ran to his AA and then had another come from high to help out. Nothing like having people run from a rooklie though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I find in each sim you have these types, they brag about there high stats or whatever. I was one of them before in FA, in here I just have fun, and squeak on RW non stop. Our RW is definitely not for the non vulgar type (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Only time I go to 20k is to chase a buff down, and you will never see me flying at these nose bleed alts.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Cc Sturm. My comment and opinion is in regard to those who champion a stat as something to drool and go ga-ga over when it's gained by someone who flies strictly in that style.
It's the same as praising the capabilites of a base vulcher. Sure, have fun, but don't wag the bogus K/D in my face and think it's some kind of skill that's going to garner my respect.
I really don't mind in the least bit if anyone does better than I. I know full well my capabilites (or lack of) and I certainly know who the skillfull folks. They do have my respect for thier skills.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 04-03-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 04-03-2001).]
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My cockpit is always open to anyone who wants to know how I fight.
I didn't get the most kills this TOD or the best K/D ratio in the p47-25. Hanzo did a super job and owns that destinction. But I doubt it was a goal.
With so many variables that are changing every second in the arena and in a fight there numerous ways to approach any given situation. I enjoy watching the multitude of ways people approach these. Remember ACM is just the paint.
Drex
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I agree westy, I can get a high amount of kills rather quickly in a base take over, and I can also die quite a few times, defending one "proven that". I think when you start worrying about your stats more then what a game is about then it is time to move on. LOL I went 2-0 in such and such lane does this constitute me as a bad arse? Anyway we look for the fight, but you will see us mainly flying in a group of 3-6, first goal is to try and take bases, second if we cannot go on the offensive look for a base in need of help. In the text buffer you will see us pointing out where a possible strike is heading or which base needs help ASAP. We will even auger if a base really needs help right then. Some ask why don't we go on hte offensive, a couple days ago we would have liked to but we had 6 getting ready for a huge raid at a strategic base. Needless to say we staved off 3 waves of attacks, against 4-1 odds, sometimes more. More often then not flying as the knights we are on the defensive, seems a lot do not care that we are down to a few bases, as long as they "get their kills" and tomorrow will be a new map. This tour I plan on spending as much time in a buff as I do in fighters. Amazing what arado stirkes can do to an enemy base.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Originally posted by Drex:
My cockpit is always open to anyone who wants to know how I fight.
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Oohh, baby! I'll be right over! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) J/K...say, if you think of it, and can do it, get one more of those tickets for an OU game, I'll be back in Oct to avenge my loss in the 2 vs 2 competition! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Most of the folks I see with 60/9 or other massively lopsided K/D are of the fly safe, hit when not seen and then emmediatley run. I call it the "sucker punch.". There is no skill to it, just buckets of time and a quick hat finger so one canrun if another higher alt sucker puncher is preparing to do it to you first.
Westy.. who is "most of the people you see"? The stats are not thrown at you, you have to be looking for them. I've seen very few people actually bring them up in this forum (personal stats) because people often respond exactly as you have.
The arrogance assoctiated with the desire to get good stats is only surpassed by the resentment displayed by those that don't feel the same way.
Once again, they are numbers, no need to start forming personal oppinions based on them. There is no need to be upset because someone ONLY has good stats because they BnZ. Its petty... and its not true.
Fly how you want. Others will do the same. Be concerned with what you want. Others will do the same. Get in a 1:1 with Drex some time. Others have. Win a 1:1 with Drex some time. Not many have.
Drex is brought up because he is the first name that popped into my head in regards to the "the top 10 are the people that just hang above the fight" statement. I've seen many down in the fights. I've been down in the fights.
That 60:9 record holds pretty true to what I've done in a Yak-9U fighting pretty much the way I want. Several <S> from both sides of the fight... both when I've won and when I've lost... both when I've been outnumbered and been on the sides with numbers... both when I've had the advantage, or when I've had the disadvantage. I've faught with everything this tour.
The one VERY common misunderstanding is that the top 10 lists are there to show who the hot-dogs are. I disagree. I think they better show people's dedication towards flying a specific aircraft. Not all of them will have high K/D, but all of them will have alot of time in the plane. That's something not many people are willing to commit to these days. And its not something that requires some 100 hours per tour to do... at least not if your flying something other than the N1K, Chog, Dora or Spit IX.
So, pick a ride that you like.. the more obscure the better. Fly it for an entire tour. My money says you make the top 10 list if you have 20 hours or more in a type other than the top 5 planes. Very few people are willing to accept that.
AKDejaVu
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"The arrogance assoctiated with the desire to get good stats is only surpassed by the resentment displayed by those that don't feel the same way."
I can't stress enough that I have no resentment. Just a lack of admiration or respect by those who need to fly safe and sucker punch.
My error was generalising up above and making it sound like ALL of the top ten flew in the style I was mocking. What I said, or meant to say, was taken out of context and applied to someone (Drex) for whom my comment never was not intended to be aimed at.
So.
Back to your stats and analysis. Don't mind me.
-Westy
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My question is, so I have to fly a certain plane to be recognized? I fly them all, some I get more kills in, others I have to earn them, my first tour was last month and I ended with around 600 or so kills. I still will not fly just one plane or just a couple planes,but you do get tired of running into N1k's 51's FW's and such. granted if I stuck to flying one plane yes I could be "Billy bad ass" but what fun is that? Forgot the guys name who shot me down twice in a 205 yesterday but I had more respect for his kills then the dweeb flying at 12k over the base waiting for me to be chased by 6. Stats are not what they are cracked up to be, trust me I know. Yes a guy might be great at a 1-1 battle, but how many times will you see him flying by himself going in to deack a field with fighters flying around? Saw mitsu doing this so he doesnt count (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) At any rate, stats are one way of goating at another, as we call them stat potatos you usually do not find defending a base that is being overrun, how would I know you might ask, simple look in the text column of who you are killing. Funny as it may seem but it is the same people usually at each base. And like wise happens to us when they go on the offensive. Simple numbers might mean something to those who lavish in stardom as the best K/D, but what have they accomplished while getting those numbers? No matter what sim you fly in, they are true to their cause. Less threat=higher ratio, or putting yourself in a most beneficial way of dieing the least. Take this as you want, but I have observed this for quite sometime now, in a lot of sims. I should know I used to be one of them, from CFS and FA and going all the way back back to the Close Combat III ladder, yet it was a different game same concept have a higher winning %. As long as we have stats which I don't mind, we will always have those that have to throw them out for others to see. Only stats I see fit for posting are AC vs AC.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Bah... I take the P47 where ever he brings me. I'm even taking of from vulched bases with it.
My kill/death ratio sucks, but I don't care, I have nothing to prove to others. And since I'm in the 56th, I start to run from trouble before I end up in it (escaping needs planing when turnfighting in the D30 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)).
My pleasure comes from being able to make a vulching yak in trouble overshooting me, rather than getting a 6 kill run from pure B&Zming.
I respect both types of players, the wise knows taht none is better than the other.
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy5.jpg)
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 04-03-2001).]
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WRT the "sucker punch" style of play...
Appearances can be deceiving. People are often criticized for staying high above a fight, nailing the occasional enemy that squirts a little too high out of the top. To a certain extent this is a justifiable criticism, but of course there is the other side of the equation.
There are any number of people perfectly willing to dash off at sea level to the nearest fight. Whether this is wise or not is open to endless debate, but what is often lacking are a few people to climb a little higher to meet the higher approaching cons, most notably the bombers that wreck the fields.
Used to be I could get 10-15 kills per hour with little difficulty. It is a lot harder to do now because I have chosen lately to try to keep fields and resources open. This means that I will pass over furballs and find the real threat to bases and resources- the bombers and Jabo's. Further, if I see a 5 on 2 below me I don't feel I should drop all my alt to help save my five buddies in trouble. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) If they lose that fight then, well, they should. OTOH, if the fight is close and it looks like a little extra help can tip it our way I will zip in for a pass and at least scare the bad guy enough to distract him. This is usually enough to get the job done. Always the incoming fighters and bombers are on my mind, because ignoring them is tantamount to handing the keys to your field over to the enemy. If this is perceived as playing it safe, then I am guilty as charged.
Many people also complain about fields being vultched, radar and resources dying, and the general state of chaos that can reign on a side. Everyone knows I love a furball as much as the next guy and I say more power to anyone that wants nothing else to do but furball. I would remind you to be a bit thankful that there are a few people not electing to drop all alt for every single con they see, no matter how covered in green they may be, or that there are a few people left still willing to challenge bombers 1 vs. 1.
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My question is, so I have to fly a certain plane to be recognized?
The answer is no. But you do need to fly a specific plane (of your chosing) more or less exclusively to make the top 10 pilots in EACH AIRCRAFT list. Its also important to remember that these lists are simply generated by looking at numbers. Numbers never tell the whole story.
So, if you don't care about the lists, don't worry about it. Have your fun the way you want. The overall scoring system in AH will indicate your scores in all fighters combined, all bombers combined, all attack planes combined and all ground vehicles combined. These lists are only generated because the scoring system does not care or track what you were flying.
And Kieren, you're spot on. Its always easy to criticize others for not doing things your way. People seldomely realize that if it were really that easy, everyone would be doing it.
AKDejaVu
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"People seldomely realize that if it were really that easy, everyone would be doing it."
Only the few take the path of least resistance. Why do I say that? Because it's far easier to stop a base capture by rolling a car bomb, or taking an off the map route in going for a base attack and it is most assuredly easier to capture a base by dropping troops from a C47 at 10k. But not everyone does it.
Why is that?
-Westy
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What? No comments from the 13th TAS? Afterall, they are the masters at super dweebery, right Westy? All they ever do is hang around at 40k and wait for you to start smoking and lose an engine, then they dive on you in their super fast dweeb P51's.
Here ya go (throws a bone to the crowd), the only reason people criticize others for flying this way and getting good K/D ratios is because they can't do it theirselves. (Oh, I can hear the whiners already coming, here we go...)
Here's a clue, if you wanna beat these guys then YOU climb to 40k and fight them there, instead of coming in at 5k like and idiot and then calling them names because they were alt monkeys.
fscott
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Scott, I have flown this game for a little over 3 weeks and have moved up the ranking charts finished 69th last tour and I didn't even have a complete tour "whoop de doo". I am still learning the planes and how they all act, and the pilots as well. Will I keep a high ranking this tour? We shall see, but I don't climb to 40K and I never will. Why should I fight someone on their grounds, or their rules? A simple look at this, and from your posts shows that you love to brag about ratings or ranks. I must remind you this a game, how this correlates to your real life I am not sure. From my experience those that love to brag are the ones that really have nothing to show "in the real world" as far as accomplishments. So they must show to others hey look at what I can do, you, yeah you over there look see I got a 5-1 ratio in a perk plane. Look at my stats last tour and you will see how many planes I had kills in, far more then the average pilot here, and I will continue to do so. For me to justify why I fly other model planes besides the supped up cannon armed rockets is insignificant as to why those fly 1 or 2 different planes per tour. Let me fly a Dora this tour, or a 51 or a N1k, the numbers would probably be astonishing. But then you ask yourself this? Am I having fun "just flying one plane"? Stats are great to look at and admire, but I really think you need to embellish on something other then I am so bad in a certain plane, ever wonder maybe others are to, yet decide not to fly for it for a certain reason? Maybe it is to easy to get kills in it? Than again I am sure that Tempest offers a challenge, I am sure it is hard to get a kill in it. I think you are missing Westy's point entirely, and taking a shot in here because you are one of the self proclaimed stat potatos shows a lot. Talk to me in a month or two at most, take me into a 1-1 and hand me my bellybutton now which is fine. take me in there in 2 months and see what happens. I am sorry I had to go off like this, but somthing has to be shown. Do we need the stats to show who the best pilots are? I don't think so, we allready know who they are when you see it in the text buffer when they shoot you down or they go into a furball and come out alive.
Sincerely not impressed.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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my k/d sucks i catch any of ya low ( and i dont remember any of ya recently cept akdjv and he was easy .) you are dead. flyin like you boys do atrophys your flyin. just sad score awards flyin unrealisticaly. ( in real wars you have to fight, runnin away gets you shot by your freinds.)
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Towd, you continue to stand as a testiment to the US education system.
As for me being an easy kill that one time you , I don't doubt it. I was actually thinking the exact same thing about the 4 times I killed you. Do you realize you were the first Ostwind killed by a Yak-9U in Tour 14? I also chuckled the first time I saw you flying something other than an La-7. Talk about easy. Guess you didn't know what to do when a faster plane shows up... maybe you should just stick to one of the fastest?
And Sturm, you may have flown the game for a little over 3 weeks, but you are failing to realize a few things. You are ranked in the top 70 because you flew a variety of planes. Many that fly only one plane will not even be ranked in the top 500. That's just the way it goes.
Sometimes those people complain that the current AH scoring system is porked because of it. I don't agree. Nor do I agree that on style is more important than the other.
So, the top ten in each aircraft is for those that excell in a particular aircraft, but it isn't reflected in the current scoring system. That is all.
AKDejaVu
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Deja that makes more sense, and that I can understand, for if you don't fly other A/C the categories suffer. What gets me is the ones that brag about it to the extent of wondering how old they actually are. If you can be the top killer in the 205 you should be recognized or the 202. Might be you should redo it to who is the best in the worst planes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Just hope you see where I am coming from, bragging about kills in the perk planes well do we really care, no names mentioned on this one. And yes that was a run on sentence. I failed to get a kill in I think 4 planes last tour the LA-5 Spit V 202 and Tempest. Granted I had kills but got the old assist message even though I dumped a ton of rounds into them. Oh well makes for a challenge IMO.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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I've seen very few pilots outright brag about how good they are. Citabria is one of the few that does. What pisses most people off is that he backs it up (well.. USED to back it up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)).
Most of the people that I see who think they are hot stuff, don't show up on any of the HTC rankings or the top 10 lists. I guess that grates on them after a while and suddenly those that do show on the lists are targetted. I've been told it is not because of jealousy... I don't believe it. The same goes for those that do show on the lists, but still feel the need to "discredit" others that made it.
Its strange that debates over who is or is not hot stuff usually start out with "he's not so good" as opposed to "I'm so good".
I don't think I'm that good of a pilot. I do OK in 1:1 engagements, but I'm no ACM stud. I do think that doing outsanding in a particular aircraft merits recognition on its own. That's my personal belief and that's why I generate the top 10 lists. That's also why I focus on flying a particular type of aircraft.
If your beliefs vary from mine, I highly suggest avoiding any thread with "Top 10" in the subject. As a rule, those that don't like the list usually just show up to start insulting people... and that's worse than any list simply generated by numbers can ever do.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 04-03-2001).]
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Can't recall calling you or the 13TAS names FScott. I must have hit a nerve though huh? By saying I don't respect or admire those who prefer the sucker punch? I fail to see how can anyone brag about their prowess or "skill" when the method they prefer is to pop someone when that someone is totally involved and ditracted. Imagine if you would a boxing match in progress between Muhammed Ali and Joe Lewis. All of a sudden here comes Mike Tyson who cold noodles Lewis' taking him out of the fight. Kind of ludicrous IMO to praise Tyson for any prowess and skill when what he did takes niether.
As for the 13TAS? They use group tactics. And they do it well. They come at you no matter how many you are, with alt, coalt and lower and they do mix it up. Most even holler out "SHOWTIME" before the drop in. I have had a few whom I chased on on one and they would not slow down and turn fight thier 51 with my Yak. That's something altogether different and is not even in this discussion. What the 13TAs isn't what I call it "sucker punching" because you'd have to be blind to miss four to eight 51's coming at you.
-Westy
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Westy.. who is "most of the people you see"? The stats are not thrown at you, you have to be looking for them. I've seen very few people actually bring them up in this forum (personal stats) because people often respond exactly as you have.
hehe that is just a TAD ironic coming from you Deja (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
confirmation bias?
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I am UBER!! I am now 1-0 in the 51D and 15-4 in the Chog this tour, does this count? J/K anyway do a top 10 of the worst planes, I think garners more respect then saying who the best pilot is in the best plane. And the N1k seems to be my favorite kill so far this tour.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Westy, are you just jelous (err, spelling?)...??!? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I take my Ta152 in almost any fight - but I also know when it's time to bug (well, most of the times...). First I flew it at 30k - looking for some easy prey but since I hardly met anyone up there - and a Spit (maybe a XIV?) kept climbing with me from 10k to 40k - and I became a bit more comfortable with the flight charactistics (lost 3 152s due overstress) - you'll find me in a any fight where I have a chance to survive. Ask Koba - we (he in La7) took a fight 2 vs 5 and prevailed. (padding mode off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
Although I am not patient enough to fly it the safe way I hold much respect for pilots who fly to live. Towd, that's the realistic way to fly. In RL you only had 1 life you just wouldn't risk it for some stupid kill.
I have still enough perkies to afford some extra Ta152s. So expect me to dance with it at treetop level.
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Originally posted by Sturm:
From my experience those that love to brag are the ones that really have nothing to show "in the real world" as far as accomplishments.
Look at my stats last tour and you will see how many planes I had kills in, far more then the average pilot here, and I will continue to do so...
Let me fly a Dora this tour, or a 51 or a N1k, the numbers would probably be astonishing....
Talk to me in a month or two at most, take me into a 1-1 and hand me my bellybutton now which is fine. take me in there in 2 months and see what happens...
Yeah, I think I agree with ya about braggers. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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My joystick is bigger than your joystick. (http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/funny/1poke.gif)
-SW
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I just want to comment on the "sucker punch" style you guys are mentioning.
I don't think it's an easy style at all. Your fighting different demons - patience and discipline.
I personally think that flying "balls to the wall" not caring whether you get killed or not is the real copp out. I admire those who fly as if they only had one life and the stat that impresses me the most is the high streak.
I believe air combat to be a thinking sport. Knowledge of fancy manouvering etc is for when you have made a mistake and have got yourself in trouble. The real challenge is not making those mistakes.
But to each his own.
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Kirin that's my style. I look to mix it up regardless of the numbers, alt or if I have the advantage. IF I live, it's all that much better. If I don't I won't lose any sleep.
Westy, are you just jelous (err, spelling?)...??!? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Nope. Just being argumentative and trying to debunk what I consider a bogus myth. That those who have such lopsided K/D must be fantastically good.
Course I sound just a bit illiterate due to my rapid two finger typing that always finishes with a quick jab on [submit reply]. I should proof read more. My apologies.
- Westy
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Know what?
My stats suck. The only thing I'm proud of is that I went from no where on the bomber rantings to somewhere in the Top 100. To me, that means I'm improving and only on paper (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I could care less about the K/D ratios. I'm the dweeb that hauls the goon or lancaster into the hot zones, and more often than not, I wind up as fodder to a enemy fighter. It happens.
So, yer precious little stats wont reflect who that moron is that braves it all to bomb a base alone, or sneak a goon in under the fighters to capture the base. Come to think of it, some of the people I enjoy flying with most aren't on that little stat sheet. Good, keeps em from having a swollen head (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dats my 2 cents....I shaddup now.
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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Just being argumentative and trying to debunk what I consider a bogus myth.
Ah.. the classic argument. Some believe the same as you, while others believe that the myth is the feeling that BnZ takes no skill.
Both sides of the argument have merrit, but I've seldomely seen someone use another person's actions in their entirety as an example... but rather pick and chose specific situations that best define their argument.
BTW, The top 10 lists will be in two parts, total kills and k/d... with an addition "kills of" section to be added if everything goes fine today in regards to the bot.
I don't think that either outweighs the other, but I do think that both are accomplishments. I also believe that being ranked in the top 100 in each category in AH is also an accomplishment. Does it mean anything?... it doesn't really have to. Afterall, nothing is being awarded as a result.
Course I sound just a bit illiterate due to my rapid two finger typing that always finishes with a quick jab on [submit reply]
Being the user of perfect grammer and having never mispelled a word before in my lif, I must condemn your blatant disregard for proper error free conveyance of ideas. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The truth is, I have to evaluate whether the mispelling/gramar error is more embarrasing than adding another "This post has been edited by" message to the bottom (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Kats,
How is it more of a Copp-out than running away from a fight where the enemy might continue on and kill your friends/family? If you want realistic then that is the decision you would have to face for turning and running. That and your buddies filling your running hide full of lead on the return-to-base.
I'm not slagging the Fight-To-Live people, just pointing out that it isn't really all that realistic either unless you consider yourself a US pilot at the end of the war over a totally dominated LW. Fighting the desperate battle can actually be more fun, and more of a challenge, but doesn't tend to lead to higher scores... if score is important.
The best fights are the ones you win when you are at a disadvantage and still get the kill.
-Soda
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Originally posted by Soda:
Kats, the best fights are the ones you win when you are at a disadvantage and still get the kill
Not if you enjoy flying like they did in the Real Thing. Yes, yes this is only a game but someone likes to spend their bucks trying historical tactics. Boring? Who knows. I for one dont like furballers, stick stirrers, endless loopers and crazy scissorers. You can do all these crazy maneuvers only thanks to our E-saver flight model. Try these thing in a real a/c, not a Pitt Special, or a Sukoi prepared for the Breitling Cup.
Many people use Main arena just to train themselves for Historical Scenarios. Others wait at low alt just to demoinstrate how good they are at flip-flop turns, endless Niki loopings, hanging on their props, low lat head on and so on ....
To each his own ...
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GAT
4° Stormo Caccia - Knight Axis Gruppe (http://www.4stormo.it)
"The Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. But they will stick it even if things are going against them, whereas the Jerries will run." (G.Beurling)
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Originally posted by Citabria:
I've done 60-0 in a p-38L (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yes Citabrai, you still hold the record for the most consecitive kills, and I do beleive it is 79-0 in your P38L.
As for AKDejaVu, untill you can beat the record, dont tell someone esle to quit living in the past. Citabrai should be bringing it up each and every new tour and flaunting it. he earned that right to do so.
wolf37
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Gatt,
I guess it depends on which side of "the real thing" you are talking about and when. I'm not sure the LW would agree that they got to pick their battle situation at the end of the war, but if you are talking about the Allied airforce near the end then I guess you would be correct. It's all about perspective and timing.
Some of the best pilots in AH, and I'm not talking the UFO/Warp crew, don't bother to climb very high, they don't need to. They can beat you 1 on 1 through superiour tactics Co-E or even at a disadvantage. Tactics do work...
-Soda
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Enough from the whineyyyy arses in this thread.....let Deja finish so I can see them....karist!
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Wingnut
Luftjagerkorps
(http://pages.prodigy.net/armis1/.wi_kag_banner3.gif)
The quality of the box matters little. Success depends upon the man who sits in it - Baron Manfred von Richthofen
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AKDejaVu,
I think that the stats are interesting and fun.
Looking forward to reading the results.
Thanks for sharing your hard work.
eskimo
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As for AKDejaVu, untill you can beat the record, dont tell someone esle to quit living in the past. Citabrai should be bringing it up each and every new tour and flaunting it. he earned that right to do so.
It was a joke dude.. thus the :P behind it.
Besides, it wasn't really about the streak as much as it was about Cit not flying AH for 3 months now.
AKDejaVu
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Hi Kats...good to see ya here...will we see you in the arena? Sure hope so, your a class act. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Nice job on the stats. as to the opinion how one flies his craft turnfighting or bnz it's just a matter of how one prefers to play this sim. everyone has a different way of enjoying the game. when my heads on right.....and that's rarely, Ill grab medium alt and pick my targets, other days it's lets see what the d9 can do turnfighting. point is to enjoy the game, however you wish to.
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How is it more of a Copp-out than running away from a fight where the enemy might continue on and kill your friends/family?
If by that you mean abandoning your team mates to secure a better position at their expense....I agree with you.
Maybe I should say that my intention is to fly as smart and disciplined as possible until circumstance forces me into a position that I would rather not be in. One of those of course is helping a team mate.
My only point really is that (well in my case anyway) it is much harder for me psychologically to disengage than it is to push a fight too far.
Both styles build experience IMO. Furballing builds pure aircraft piloting ability whereas "BnZ" for lack of a better term builds other virtues such as patience and discipline, or learning to get guns on target at 400mph etc etc. Obviously a pilot that masters both will be a serious predator. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ps aztec, thx for the kind words (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If, I find myself pressing against numbers, and my wingman is dead, I will drag you to "3" (where you will be). If 3 is out of position I will die, or run if I can get away. All else is rubbish!
More then that you do not deserve, but if you fly likewise come by to stay. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Check six! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Voss
13th TAS
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Sturm, bragging is good, it creates great competition, and rivalry. I'm not for the "peace and love salute all that shoot me down cause I love the smell of death" crowd, I fight with a passion. You don't like it then too bad. You will also see that in every plane I fly, I have a very good k/d ratio, and I do fly a variety of planes.
Believe it or not some people here are really good. I'm not the best by far, by I am dern good, and I can learn any plane enough to give you run for your money. Heck I could give a flip whether someone takes offense to anything I say cause you are right, it's a game. So the same works for you, if you take offense to someone's arrogance. remember its just a game.
There's some guys in the arena that I hunt for, cause they are dern good *and* they have a mouth. You know what? Their mouth makes this game even more enjoyable and keeps me flying cause it is so dern fun shooting them down. It is not as fun shooting down a dern good pilot who always salutes you, heck, I'd rather shoot down the dern good pilot with the mouth. Now, where's nath...
fscott
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Originally posted by Soda:
Gatt, I guess it depends on which side of "the real thing" you are talking about and when. I'm not sure the LW would agree that they got to pick their battle situation at the end of the war, but if you are talking about the Allied airforce near the end then I guess you would be correct. It's all about perspective and timing
Eh Soda, too bad we fly Axis. With a 1944-45
plane set we should be green, with few combat hours and should be strafed on our rwys and bounced by expert USAAF/RAF pilots.
Too bad for allied pilots we have G-10, Doras and Ta152 *and* skills. Is this a what-if plane-set and scenarios? Well, then we have "what-if" good Axis pilots with good a/c. We dont have our factories bombed and we have time to train our pilots. Axis pilots are the kings of hit&run, hit&climb, boom&zoom and vertical maneuvers. We dont mix at low alt just to get kills and spawn again in 2 seconds. Our a/c are not suited for that (I mean 109s, 205s and FWs).
Seriously (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), I think that each of us has developed his personal style of dogfight. So lets all enjoy what we have (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S>!
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