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Title: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: ShyGuy12 on March 22, 2008, 10:15:37 PM
An idea for bombers for Russia and Italy. For Russia, it can be PE-8 which is my #1 choice, TU-2, DB-3, IL-4, something like that. For the Italians, the S.M. 79 is my #1 choice, SM 95, SM 82, SM 81, something like that. Just an idea for bombers for the countries in the game that dont have bombers right now. Either bomber for both countries will due. :cool:   I just want one for these countries!!  :D
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: DaddyAck on March 23, 2008, 04:17:27 AM
I think red bombers and RA bombers would be a great idea, however I suspect thsi thread to draw out alot of "be we need the uber planes only" type responses.
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: thndregg on March 23, 2008, 07:25:57 AM
I think red bombers and RA bombers would be a great idea, however I suspect thsi thread to draw out alot of "be we need the uber planes only" type responses.
Agreed. I pretty much echoed the same "uber plane" thought in another thread.
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Selino631 on March 23, 2008, 02:00:17 PM
Italian bombers should be..... P.108, Br.20 and the Cant Z. 1107. <-- heavy bombers, P.108 carried 7k bombs and was faster then B-17 at high alt. also first plane to have radar controlled guns.

 S.M. 79 was a torpedo bomber and it carried very few bombs.
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Oleg on March 23, 2008, 03:09:47 PM
Pe-8 is uber plane :) But i'll prefer IL-4 (btw, it could carry 2 torpedos as well).
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: ShrkBite on March 23, 2008, 09:24:28 PM
i agree with selino........lol
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: StugIII on March 23, 2008, 11:03:33 PM
Pe-8 is pretty much the Russian copy of the b-17, it a heavy weight and can carry a mouth full, i've  fought against one in 1L2 sturmovik and there a tank to take on, it would be a good addition. But we gotta get a  german bomber first. or update the ju-88 plz
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: ShyGuy12 on March 27, 2008, 10:21:58 AM
Pe-8 is pretty much the Russian copy of the b-17, it a heavy weight and can carry a mouth full, i've  fought against one in 1L2 sturmovik and there a tank to take on, it would be a good addition. But we gotta get a  german bomber first. or update the ju-88 plz

yeah, we do need to take care of german bombers first, then russian or italian bombers, lol
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Easyscor on March 27, 2008, 12:38:28 PM
An idea for bombers for Russia and Italy. For Russia, it can be PE-8 which is my #1 choice, TU-2, DB-3, IL-4, something like that. For the Italians, the S.M. 79 is my #1 choice, SM 95, SM 82, SM 81, something like that. Just an idea for bombers for the countries in the game that dont have bombers right now. Either bomber for both countries will due. :cool:   I just want one for these countries!!  :D
Finding reliable online information for any of these planes is tough and most books aren't any better, especially in English. For instance, try eliminating all plastic modeling websites and find pictures for skins of these planes. There are less then half a dozen worthy pictures of the RA's Piaggio P.108, everything else is a copy of the original posts.
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Selino631 on March 27, 2008, 01:20:16 PM
Here is a site for the Fiat Br.20 Cigona  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_BR.20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_BR.20)

Here is a site for the Piaggio P.108 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.108 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.108)

Here is a site for the Cant Z. 1007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.1007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.1007)
also for the Cant Z.1007 i found a cockpit image http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://it.geocities.com/cantz1007/prew/cockf2k2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://it.geocities.com/cantz1007/index.html&h=304&w=450&sz=19&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=Qp6rHCcFOSr2rM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3DFlight%2BSimulator%2BCant%2BZ.1007%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://it.geocities.com/cantz1007/prew/cockf2k2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://it.geocities.com/cantz1007/index.html&h=304&w=450&sz=19&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=Qp6rHCcFOSr2rM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3DFlight%2BSimulator%2BCant%2BZ.1007%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)and i found a skin

I know wikipedia isnt the best source, some of there information is good tho. hope this helps and the specs for the Cant Z. 1007 i would trust knowing it is the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002 features
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Karnak on March 27, 2008, 05:19:35 PM
Less than 1000 Pe-8s were built.

Maybe it would be a better idea to get something representative?  Maybe a Pe-2, or which more than 10,000 were built.  Hmmm?
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Easyscor on March 27, 2008, 08:53:56 PM
Only 167 P.108s and they were never used with the same tactics the 8th AF used. Doesn't mean they're not wanted.
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Oleg on March 28, 2008, 02:19:30 AM
Less than 1000 Pe-8s were built.

Less than 100, actually (93).
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: mensa180 on March 28, 2008, 09:40:46 AM
I believe when we had the vote, HT said all the planes that were choices are on the list of planes they will eventually do.  So we will get the Pe-2 in time.  But I wouldn't mind sooner rather than later :).
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Bruv119 on March 28, 2008, 10:17:48 AM
TU-2 / PE-2

Russians have no level bombers at all
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Tilt on March 28, 2008, 05:11:44 PM
I dont think the Pe 2 had a level bomb sight either........ it was a dive bomber............. early models even had dive brakes.

The Tu-2 was a level bomber and fairly long range (by VVS standards)...............

Re Russian torpedo bombers.......the Russian navy modified their A 20's to carry upto 2 torps per AC.

Given all this my choice for the next VVS bomber would be the Pe-2.

Russians much preffered their A20's and B25's to the Il4.
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: kennyhayes on March 30, 2008, 08:34:54 AM
the italian bombs were crap
Title: Re: Russian Bomber/Italian Bomber
Post by: Yossarian on March 30, 2008, 09:09:31 AM
the italian bombs were crap

Whilst I may be inclined to agree with that statement, I personally wouldn't say that any where near as bluntly  ;)
Would you care to justify that?   :P

It would be nice to see a wider variety of planes introduced, so I would like to see some new planes which were from countries such as the USSR, Italy etc.  However, I doubt I could stand another update with out some sort of Allied fighter or fighter-bomber, particularly the A-26 or the Beaufighter.

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Yossarian