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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: angelsandair on March 24, 2008, 04:34:00 PM
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Did the P-39Q have the 20mm option? Thats the only reason I use the P-39D more, I like the 20mm option I get from it. I can hit em more and it shoots faster, easier to take out planes. If there is one for the P-39Q, please put it in the game :aok
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Did the P-39Q have the 20mm option? Thats the only reason I use the P-39D more, I like the 20mm option I get from it. I can hit em more and it shoots faster, easier to take out planes. If there is one for the P-39Q, please put it in the game :aok
Sorry, but it was not an option.
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the P-39Q didnt have the 20mm option :huh
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Nope, most m4 cannons used on p39's or p-69 and Pt boats (some from unflyable or striped 39's).
The russians used what planes, spare parts... guns and ammo came with them.
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Oh o well. :aok
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the P-39Q didnt have the 20mm option :huh
The Russians never had a need for a 20mm.
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yea your right. Well, I just gotta get closer and be a better shot. I cant take chances with my shots as much with the P-39, but I like challanges. :D
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60 rnds of 20mm? No thanks, I'll take 30 rnds of 37mm any day.
Get in close and let em rip. Don't bother with the gondolas either, your better off with the better speed and handling of a clean bird. I have not used the gondos once in the MA with the P-39Q.
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The 60rounds of 20mm round out before the 30 37mm rounds do. I rather take my time and line up a one hit kill then waste half my ammo on one guy.
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I wish they'd fix the damn gunsight! It's unflyable right now!!!
I don't see how some folks are not having problems, unless the bug hits some folks and skips others.
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I wish they'd fix the damn gunsight! It's unflyable right now!!!
I don't see how some folks are not having problems, unless the bug hits some folks and skips others.
Some one posted a temp fix gunsight. I'll see if I can find link.
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Gunsight bug? Looked fine to me.
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Gunsight bug? Looked fine to me.
Q shoots high. Test it with .target.
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Did the P-39Q have the 20mm option? Thats the only reason I use the P-39D more, I like the 20mm option I get from it. I can hit em more and it shoots faster, easier to take out planes. If there is one for the P-39Q, please put it in the game :aok
P-400 export model had a 20mm cannon instead of the crappy 37mm Oldsmobile cannon. Quite a few pilots preferred the P-400 variant over the D model because of the lighter, more reliable 20mm Hispano.
*OFF TOPIC*
This is a sweet picture.
(http://www.aviation-history.com/bell/p39-15.jpg)
ack-ack
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The Russians never had a need for a 20mm.
The only P-39 variant that had the 20mm option was the P-400 export model. The only reason those had the 20mm was they were intended for the UK but Pearl Harbor interrupted those plans and instead we kept the P-400s and used them as trainers and some saw operational service in the SWPTO. However, the only difference between the D and the P-400 is the 20mm, otherwise they are the exact same aircraft. Which is probably why the P-39D in here as the 20mm cannon package as an option.
ack-ack
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well, the 20mm does better than the 37mm. I can hit a plane broadside and after a short burst in the -D model, it is easily dead.
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The only P-39 variant that had the 20mm option was the P-400 export model. The only reason those had the 20mm was they were intended for the UK but Pearl Harbor interrupted those plans and instead we kept the P-400s and used them as trainers and some saw operational service in the SWPTO. However, the only difference between the D and the P-400 is the 20mm, otherwise they are the exact same aircraft. Which is probably why the P-39D in here as the 20mm cannon package as an option.
ack-ack
Actually, a significant number of Ds were delivered with the Hispano installed. Both Gerald Johnson (later commanded the 49th FG) and George Welch (of the 8th FG) flew P-39D-1s that were equipped with the 20mm. All P-39Fs also had the Hispano. This came to be due to orders of P-39D-1 and F models being ordered for Lend Lease. Before the first ones were delivered, the US entered the war. These contracts were transferred to the USAAF. Thus, 336 P-39D-1s and 204 P-39Fs were built and delivered with the M1 20mm cannon. This is in addition to the 179 P-400s taken by the USAAF, and another 266 shipped to the Soviets (54 lost at sea in route when transports were sunk) and the 80 accepted by the Brits.
My regards,
Widewing
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They also took 37mm P-39Ds and simply refitted them with 20mms they scrounged. No idea on the #s though. In those days there was a lot of "rough and ready" work done to the jungle based P-39s.
...Nice pic Ack-Ack, thats a beaut. Looks like a depiction of the first P-39/A6M2 scrap over Lae, New Guinea?
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P-400 export model had a 20mm cannon instead of the crappy 37mm Oldsmobile cannon. Quite a few pilots preferred the P-400 variant over the D model because of the lighter, more reliable 20mm Hispano.
*OFF TOPIC*
This is a sweet picture.
(http://www.aviation-history.com/bell/p39-15.jpg)
ack-ack
Thats P-39D-1-BE 41-38350 35 FS/8 FG P flown by Lt. I.A. Erickson, Milne Bay, New Guinea, 1942
I would LOVE that skin. :D
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Well, I just wish the 20mm had a bit more ammo, but I'm not complaining. A 2 sec burst goes through liek 15 20mms on that thing though.It shoots fast.
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the P400 was lighter due to a lack of self sealing tanks and armor IIRC. I haven't researched that but I do remember reading it many years ago.
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huh really? Well, I like the D model, just wish it had wep :cry
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the P400 was lighter due to a lack of self sealing tanks and armor IIRC. I haven't researched that but I do remember reading it many years ago.
P-400s had self-sealing tanks and armor. They didn't have O2 systems installed. The weight difference was simply due to the lighter installation of the M1 20mm cannon. Also, the P-400s had a revised version of the V-1710-35 (the -35E). This engine had a slightly higher critical altitude (15,000 feet) than the typical P-39D-1.
My regards,
Widewing
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The only P-39 variant that had the 20mm option was the P-400 export model. The only reason those had the 20mm was they were intended for the UK but Pearl Harbor interrupted those plans and instead we kept the P-400s and used them as trainers and some saw operational service in the SWPTO. However, the only difference between the D and the P-400 is the 20mm, otherwise they are the exact same aircraft. Which is probably why the P-39D in here as the 20mm cannon package as an option.
ack-ack
Actually there were quite some P-400s sent to the UK and they were extensively tested by the RAF. They even got to see some combat action over the Channel.
The RAF simply turned the model down, as the fighter's performances didn't meet the expectations (RAF was led to believe they were getting a wonder-fighter and what they got was at best an acceptable one -and at low altitudes only) and there were a lot of troubles found within the plane itself (compass losing calibration when weapons were fired, cannon fumes entering the cockpit when it was fired, etc). The lack of a suitable supercharger was the last nail for the RAF. The plane was a huge dissapointment for them, and they cancelled the rest of the P-400 order they had placed. I think most of the already delivered planes were later sent to the USSR via Murmansk.
The P-400s the USAAF used over SW Pac were planes built to fullfit the british order but which were undelivered after the british turned the order down.
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P-400s had self-sealing tanks and armor. They didn't have O2 systems installed. The weight difference was simply due to the lighter installation of the M1 20mm cannon. Also, the P-400s had a revised version of the V-1710-35 (the -35E). This engine had a slightly higher critical altitude (15,000 feet) than the typical P-39D-1.
My regards,
Widewing
thank you for the clarification. I recall reading that the designation P-400 was because the fighter could travel at 400mph at 8000 feet asl. was that true?
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No it is because it is a P-40 with a Zero behind it. ;)
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:lol
Well the first reason seems reasonable though
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No, the USAAF needed a designation for the British Airacobra in US service, and since some of the equipment was different than the P-39, they just came up with P-400.
"P-400" is the export model (RAF Airacobra I) in service with the USAAF, as opposed to a regular P-39.
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Thats P-39D-1-BE 41-38350 35 FS/8 FG P flown by Lt. I.A. Erickson, Milne Bay, New Guinea, 1942
I would LOVE that skin. :D
Yep P39D-1. Good photos of both the birds in the painting in the 8th Fighter Group history
"Attack & Conquer" by John Stanaway and Lawrence Hickey.
All kinds of photos of 20mm D-1s in there as well as 400s
interesting to note in Norb Ruff's Biography, he being an 80th HH pilot, his first 76 missions were in Cobras with 53 of them being in a P400, 4 in a 39D-1 and 19 in 39D-2.
He flew 106 combat missions with the 80th with his 77th mission on being flown in 38Gs
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Just a question, which type of p-39d do we have?
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we have the D-1 :cry :cry
If we had the D-2 we would have we bit more UMPH under the hood.
:pray
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Well, then I would like the D-2 hehe.
But I wish teh Q had the 20mms!! I would make short work of all oppenants :devil
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we have the D-1 :cry :cry
If we had the D-2 we would have we bit more UMPH under the hood.
:pray
Post a request to the wishlist forum for the P-39N. Same engine as the Q, but it retains the four .30 MGs. No graphics changes required, other than the new skin.
My regards,
Widewing
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Well, then I would like the D-2 hehe.
But I wish teh Q had the 20mms!! I would make short work of all oppenants :devil
LOL we've had the 39 for how long? Jeez, have some fun with it :)
Learn to fly what we've got instead of always wishing for what we don't have. Seems like they did a pretty good job with both versions.
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Why can't you make short work of all opponents in a P-39Q with a 37mm?
...The 20mm option gives you 60 rounds of ammo, its hardly a great trade for 30 rnds of 37mm?, one hit of which will blow a fighter into flaming bits. I have not used the gondolas once in the MA with the P-39Q, just the nose 37mm, and the two 12.7s. Its all you need.
The call for the 20mm is "the grass is greener" stuff because we don't have it as an option on the Q. Thats all.
As for the P-39N, we should have that one, since its so easy to add, although for me, I would prefer the P-39Q, as I dont consider the weight of the 30s and ammo in the wings worth it (neither did the Russians, who removed them).