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Title: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: 1Boner on March 26, 2008, 09:58:08 PM
Anybody think its any more or less acceptable than say "lanc stukas" ?

Consider that the base is not trying to be taken.

Maybe 3-4 of each side defending /attacking.

Of course the attackers have a huge alt. advantage.

And most of the defending bases ack is down.

Just curious, I,m  thinking about starting to make it a habit of mine.

I noticed one of the top "aces" using it as a tactic. :aok

Personally I find it extremely distasteful and cowardly, but hey, what the hell !

If it can raise my score from the thousands to maybe #1, who cares?

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Yeager on March 26, 2008, 10:01:11 PM
Whereas Lank Stukas employ a gigantic azzed four engine bomber as a low level suicide triplet monster....aka total rubbish, shooting a poor fellow on the rearm pad is simply the nature of war.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 26, 2008, 10:08:50 PM
Sounds like someone is smarting over getting blown up while sitting on the re-arm pad.  You knew there were enemy near your base and willingly took the risk to sit on the re-arm pad for 30 seconds while being re-armed and re-fueled.  The blame falls on you, not the other guy.  It's like whining about being vulched, no one forced you to take off of a base under attack.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: DoNKeY on March 26, 2008, 10:13:34 PM
Sounds like someone is smarting over getting blown up while sitting on the re-arm pad.  You knew there were enemy near your base and willingly took the risk to sit on the re-arm pad for 30 seconds while being re-armed and re-fueled.  The blame falls on you, not the other guy.  It's like whining about being vulched, no one forced you to take off of a base under attack.


ack-ack

Will I kind of have to agree with akak, I also think that it's somewhat cowardly, but maybe that's because I live for the fight, and wouldn't want to fly all the way over just to shoot a "helpless" guy.

donkey
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: moot on March 26, 2008, 10:15:22 PM
Adapt or die.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: 1Boner on March 26, 2008, 10:24:09 PM
LMFAO!!

Yeah you guys are probably right!

But after shooting his Tempest down with my A6M, I assumed he wouldn't think I was that much of a threat on the ground.

I figured a guy of that caliber would WANT a fight.

I guess I was mistaken.



Erroniously Yours,

Boner

Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Xasthur on March 26, 2008, 10:26:36 PM
If the base was being cleared for a capture.... well, you should have known better.

Diving through ack to pick someone on the re-arm pad or landing is the height of poor form, in my opinion.

People bang on and on about this being 'war' and all that... It's a game and landing/re-arm pad-vulching is cheap and un-sportsmanlike. That's all there is to it.

At the end of the day this a game full of people and where ever you have a group of people there is always a bunch of arse-holes in the group. There will always be one little hoot who was otherwise unable to shoot you down and will follow you to the ends of the earth to vulch you on landing.

All you can do is not be one of the arse-holes and hope that you will receive the same in return.

It's up to you, you can be whoever you want to be. You can be one of those guys that everyone hates or you can be one of those guys that everyone, regardless of 'country', likes or at least respects.

Which do you think is more fun?

 :salute


[edit] I see there is a word filter on the word 'arse-hole' without the '-'... it becomes 'overthunk'  :rofl 
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: hubsonfire on March 26, 2008, 10:28:05 PM
Why do people rearm instead of replaning? Score/stats/additional WTFGZ!!11!? If anything, those people deserve to be shot more than some random plane in a furball.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Xasthur on March 26, 2008, 10:32:03 PM
Why do people rearm instead of replaning? Score/stats/additional WTFGZ!!11!? If anything, those people deserve to be shot more than some random plane in a furball.

Why do they deserve it? What's the difference? I enjoy the added bit or 'realism' of landing, rolling down to the pad, taxiing back and taking off again.

Score has nothing to do with that.

Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Strip on March 26, 2008, 10:43:13 PM
Why not sit there with .ef in the text buffer?

I think this more about someone not keeping there head up.

Strip(er)
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on March 26, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
Why not sit there with .ef in the text buffer?

I think this more about someone not keeping there head up.

Strip(er)

exactly. :rock
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: hubsonfire on March 26, 2008, 10:48:18 PM
And some of us enjoy the realism of strafing targets of opportunity, especially those who normally only rearm to inflate their /sortie stats.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: VonMessa on March 26, 2008, 10:49:07 PM
Why not sit there with .ef in the text buffer?

I think this more about someone not keeping there head up.

Strip(er)

Or like Lusche, have it mapped.

Base attack, 15 planes
Good Cap  10 planes
Shooting guy rearming while his base is under attack.........   Priceless
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on March 26, 2008, 10:53:07 PM
Theres the always fun experience of running across a large group of players all rearming on the same pad. I saw this from the bombsight on my B-24 while porking bases. Needless to say I made alot of enemies when I dropped a 500LBer on the re-arm pad and killed 12 of them. :D
They were just too big of a target of oppurtunity.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Pannono on March 26, 2008, 10:55:15 PM
Theres the always fun experience of running across a large group of players all rearming on the same pad. I saw this from the bombsight on my B-24 while porking bases. Needless to say I made alot of enemies when I dropped a 500LBer on the re-arm pad and killed 12 of them. :D
They were just too big of a target of oppurtunity.
lmao must have been fun
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2008, 12:16:40 AM
Will I kind of have to agree with akak, I also think that it's somewhat cowardly, but maybe that's because I live for the fight, and wouldn't want to fly all the way over just to shoot a "helpless" guy.

donkey

But I'm your stereotypical Mexican, I'm too lazy to actually work for my kills.  So if I see some poor schmuk sitting on the re-arm pad, he might as well have painted a target on his back.  Not only do you get the kill but the whines are so worth the effort and if you're just lucky enough, the other guy will get so pissed off that he'll create a thread whining about it.

<S> Re-arm pad vulcher guy, this Bud Light is for you.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2008, 12:20:01 AM

People bang on and on about this being 'war' and all that... It's a game and landing/re-arm pad-vulching is cheap and un-sportsmanlike. That's all there is to it.

At the end of the day this a game full of people and where ever you have a group of people there is always a bunch of arse-holes in the group. There will always be one little hoot who was otherwise unable to shoot you down and will follow you to the ends of the earth to vulch you on landing.



This has nothing to do with the skill of any of the pilots that were involved.  It's juts a simple matter of the original poster not being too bright and sitting vulnerable on the re-arm pad with enemy fighters nearby.  He died of his own stupidity, nothing more or less and is the only one to blame for getting blown to smithereens.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2008, 12:24:51 AM
Why do they deserve it? What's the difference? I enjoy the added bit or 'realism' of landing, rolling down to the pad, taxiing back and taking off again.

Score has nothing to do with that.



Then you should have no problem with the 'realism' of being strafed while landing, rolling down to the pad, taxiing back and taking off again.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on March 27, 2008, 12:45:55 AM
Then you should have no problem with the 'realism' of being strafed while landing, rolling down to the pad, taxiing back and taking off again.


ack-ack

How realistic is a 30 second re-arm anyway?
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: DoNKeY on March 27, 2008, 12:49:46 AM
But I'm your stereotypical Mexican, I'm too lazy to actually work for my kills.  So if I see some poor schmuk sitting on the re-arm pad, he might as well have painted a target on his back.  Not only do you get the kill but the whines are so worth the effort and if you're just lucky enough, the other guy will get so pissed off that he'll create a thread whining about it.

<S> Re-arm pad vulcher guy, this Bud Light is for you.


ack-ack

 :rock :rock :rock

I haven't seen one of those commercials in so long... :cry

donkey
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Strip on March 27, 2008, 12:56:37 AM
They were just too big of a target of stupidity

Fixed....  :rofl

Strip(er)
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Hazard69 on March 27, 2008, 12:58:13 AM
I se nothing wrong with strafing targets of oppurtunity. A plane on the ground is as good as in the bag. :devil It was so in RL and should be so here as well. If he sits rearming whilst under attack, then hes asking for it. However, what I don't agree with is people doing a kamikaze dive into a fieldful of ack and dieing in the process, just to prevent the other con from landing or rearming. :furious I have no problem to someone firing a rocket from 2k out to kill a con whilst rearming. :t
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: DrDea on March 27, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
 Yea gotta agree if your on a covered base and dont have EF in the pad ready to execute you made a mstake.I see a sitting target on a base while Im straffing ack..Hes got a huge bullzeye on his wings.Next time be ready to bail out in a hurry lol :salute
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Xasthur on March 27, 2008, 01:07:33 AM
Then you should have no problem with the 'realism' of being strafed while landing, rolling down to the pad, taxiing back and taking off again.


ack-ack

That's the attitude I'm talking about. Is the cartoon kill worth it?

You'll notice I put 'realism' in inverted commas, I did that for a reason.

Do as you will but this is the sort of 'it's a war' attitude that makes this game a little less enjoyable.

Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Fariz on March 27, 2008, 01:32:17 AM
It is ok.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: RoGenT on March 27, 2008, 02:24:57 AM
I won't shoot landers or people re-arming

Uppers are fair game though  :devil
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2008, 02:51:25 AM
That's the attitude I'm talking about. Is the cartoon kill worth it?

You'll notice I put 'realism' in inverted commas, I did that for a reason.

Do as you will but this is the sort of 'it's a war' attitude that makes this game a little less enjoyable.



It has nothing to do about any 'war', it's simply about killing the other guy. 

Again, there is a very simple solution to this problem, so simple that I'm really shocked and amazed that you and the original poster just can't seem to grasp your brains around.  You don't want to be vulched?  Take off from a base that isn't under attack.  If you insist on taking off from a base that is actively being vulched then you should expect that you're not going to be reaching the end of the runway.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Kermit de frog on March 27, 2008, 03:50:05 AM
It has nothing to do about any 'war', it's simply about killing the other guy. 

Again, there is a very simple solution to this problem, so simple that I'm really shocked and amazed that you and the original poster just can't seem to grasp your brains around.  You don't want to be vulched?  Take off from a base that isn't under attack.  If you insist on taking off from a base that is actively being vulched then you should expect that you're not going to be reaching the end of the runway.


ack-ack

This kind of attitude is very negative on our community.  I think you need to take a "chill Pill" for a year or two.

No one made the vulcher VULCH.  He chose to take the easier path.

Boner did take a risk and knew what the risks were in advance.  I see no whining by him.  Only a person seeking justification to something that seems improper to his view.

Dogfighting is fun and the point of this game.  It's about winning the fight, not killing your opponent.

Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Lusche on March 27, 2008, 03:57:02 AM
Anything  red icon is a target.

When I'm shot sitting on the rearm pad, I lacked SA.
When someone is actually trying to wade through all that base ack and the Wirbelwinds, he is taking a risk. When I'm sitting on the pad to keep my K/D up I'm taking a risk too. It's part of this combat game. It's my own responsibility to watch the airspace while doing it. We even got external views in fighters two years ago to help us with that.
And I do accept that I am a particular yummy target when sitting there ;)
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2008, 04:54:13 AM
This kind of attitude is very negative on our community.  I think you need to take a "chill Pill" for a year or two.

No one made the vulcher VULCH.  He chose to take the easier path.

Boner did take a risk and knew what the risks were in advance.  I see no whining by him.  Only a person seeking justification to something that seems improper to his view.

Dogfighting is fun and the point of this game.  It's about winning the fight, not killing your opponent.




Your post is moronic in so many levels I just don't know where to begin and rife with hypocrisy on top of that.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2008, 04:55:54 AM
Anything  red icon is a target.

When I'm shot sitting on the rearm pad, I lacked SA.
When someone is actually trying to wade through all that base ack and the Wirbelwinds, he is taking a risk. When I'm sitting on the pad to keep my K/D up I'm taking a risk too. It's part of this combat game. It's my own responsibility to watch the airspace while doing it. We even got external views in fighters two years ago to help us with that.
And I do accept that I am a particular yummy target when sitting there ;)

Careful, Kermit won't stand for such negative attitude.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: ColKLink on March 27, 2008, 05:29:13 AM
Chuck Yeager said, "they's a heck of alot easier to kill on the ground". Good enough for chuck, good enough for me. :aok
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: VonMessa on March 27, 2008, 05:52:32 AM

<Snip>

Dogfighting is fun and the point of this game.  It's about winning the fight, not killing your opponent.



I thought "da man" himself was quoted saying "This game is all about pissing the other guy off. "
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: uptown on March 27, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Sounds like someone is smarting over getting blown up while sitting on the re-arm pad.  You knew there were enemy near your base and willingly took the risk to sit on the re-arm pad for 30 seconds while being re-armed and re-fueled.  The blame falls on you, not the other guy.  It's like whining about being vulched, no one forced you to take off of a base under attack.


ack-ack

That sums it up :salute
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Carwash on March 27, 2008, 08:13:35 AM
If you are on the re-arm pad at a base that is under attack, you get what you deserve.  This has happened to me, so now I only re-arm at bases that have a clear radar circle.  Also, you might re-arm with a .ef ready to go.  Just pay attention while re-arming in that case.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Hitman20 on March 27, 2008, 08:16:28 AM
It's not the person who killed you who is at fault...it's your fault for giveing them the chance to kill you :aok
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Rich46yo on March 27, 2008, 09:56:27 AM
Or like Lusche, have it mapped.

Base attack, 15 planes
Good Cap  10 planes
Shooting guy rearming while his base is under attack.........   Priceless


                      Ive seen 30 fighters buzzing an airfield vulching for 30 mins while a nearby town stands almost entirely up. And it aint noobs doing it cause noobs dont know no better. Besides, Ive seen many of the names in these spawn camps. Fact is for a lot of guys the game is neither about dogfighting or war winning. Its about gaming the game and running up your score. Theres a few sticks who play honest and earn their ranks, but only a few. And the longer Im in this game the less respect I have for ranks and the less WTGs I give.

                    I fly 110s in missions and take down towns while the OP is designed to capture the base as quickly as possible. Thats as close to spawn camping runways that I come and as close as I want to. Theres a few vulch Generals who direct other fools to attack ack while they safely wait to start spawn camping the runways and re'arm pads. :rofl Thats why I like missions. They are designed to grab the base quick instead of just setting up a 25 min vulch. Flying up and down a runway shooting helpless targets, while others are screaming you stole their kill, and doing so until you run out of gas, aint my idea of fun.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Jackal1 on March 27, 2008, 10:00:28 AM
Quote
Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.

One of the finer, more enjoyable things in life.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: MajIssue on March 27, 2008, 10:03:36 AM
Sounds like someone is smarting over getting blown up while sitting on the re-arm pad.  You knew there were enemy near your base and willingly took the risk to sit on the re-arm pad for 30 seconds while being re-armed and re-fueled.  The blame falls on you, not the other guy.  It's like whining about being vulched, no one forced you to take off of a base under attack.


ack-ack

Maybe so but it does seem "cheap", kinda like killing a guy that has a damaged plane, who's gear is down and trying to land... legit, sure. Honorable, NOT really.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: VonMessa on March 27, 2008, 10:23:46 AM
                      Ive seen 30 fighters buzzing an airfield vulching for 30 mins while a nearby town stands almost entirely up. And it aint noobs doing it cause noobs dont know no better. Besides, Ive seen many of the names in these spawn camps. Fact is for a lot of guys the game is neither about dogfighting or war winning. Its about gaming the game and running up your score. Theres a few sticks who play honest and earn their ranks, but only a few. And the longer Im in this game the less respect I have for ranks and the less WTGs I give.

                    I fly 110s in missions and take down towns while the OP is designed to capture the base as quickly as possible. Thats as close to spawn camping runways that I come and as close as I want to. Theres a few vulch Generals who direct other fools to attack ack while they safely wait to start spawn camping the runways and re'arm pads. :rofl Thats why I like missions. They are designed to grab the base quick instead of just setting up a 25 min vulch. Flying up and down a runway shooting helpless targets, while others are screaming you stole their kill, and doing so until you run out of gas, aint my idea of fun.


The only purpose of rearming is to run up score, otherwise why not just land it?

The only purpose of rearming at a base under attack is to offer yourself up as an easy target.  Therefore I would like to submit that these targets are not so "helpless", but more like brainless.

Again, I quote  "This game is all about pissing the other guy off."
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Rich46yo on March 27, 2008, 11:02:48 AM

The only purpose of rearming is to run up score, otherwise why not just land it?

The only purpose of rearming at a base under attack is to offer yourself up as an easy target.  Therefore I would like to submit that these targets are not so "helpless", but more like brainless.

Again, I quote  "This game is all about pissing the other guy off."

                   Well that's one way to look at it. Another way would be re'arming is more like actual flying and that many re'arm even when theres no reason to. Like when you haven't landed any kills. I wouldnt know about the 2nd cause I never re'arm at a base under attack. I get shot down all the time trying to up at a base under attack but I never try to re'arm at one. I would add the dedicated vulchers are big time HO'rs, never fly LAs, would climb over their own mothers for a kill, and have more skill at gaming the game then actual skill.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: thrila on March 27, 2008, 11:19:45 AM
I'm more than willing to vulch, but then again i don't get upset being vulched.  What i dislike is the hypocrisy of  players who meltdown over being vulched but do it themselves (the same with people who moan about HO's).
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: BaldEagl on March 27, 2008, 11:30:26 AM
If you offer me an opportunity to kill you, consider yourself dead.  It doesn't matter to me who, what, when, where or how.  My "job" when I'm in a fighter is to kill as many opponents as I can as quickly as I can and rtb safely (sometimes harder said than done).

That doesn't mean I'm not up for a good fight when one presents itself.  But between those I take what's offered.  No appologies.  If that makes me one of the "hated" members of the community, so be it.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: VonMessa on March 27, 2008, 11:41:20 AM
I hate you Eagle  :rofl
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: nick172 on March 27, 2008, 11:45:20 AM
Personally If I see a guy on the re-arm pad I will go for him immediately instead of the guy that is at 50' just taking off. Piss on the guy that is trying to inflate his score and is not intelligent enough to get out if he sees a plane coming. I will also kill a guy on landing that I know is coming in with kills. ( I acctually chuckle to myself doing it.) that being said, I have also fought guys and just sat on their tails letting them know they could be killed and let them go. A few times I have torn half a wing off a guy followed him then pulled off and flew beside him for a few sec before leaving him to fly home.

Nick172
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: whiteman on March 27, 2008, 11:49:11 AM
Personally I don't shoot guys on the re arm or landing.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: waystin2 on March 27, 2008, 12:31:37 PM
If you offer me an opportunity to kill you, consider yourself dead.  It doesn't matter to me who, what, when, where or how.  My "job" when I'm in a fighter is to kill as many opponents as I can as quickly as I can and rtb safely (sometimes harder said than done).

That doesn't mean I'm not up for a good fight when one presents itself.  But between those I take what's offered.  No appologies.  If that makes me one of the "hated" members of the community, so be it.

I could not have said it better myself Bald!  I can kill a man in a fair dogfight, but if I can kill him before he starts a fair fight, I will. :devil
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: FireDrgn on March 27, 2008, 01:23:53 PM
It normally just hurts more getting vulched on the re-arm pad. Because typically you have kills.. I don't see it any different than attacking a plane lifting off the runway.....I will let someone land any time they ask or say rtb..  On the re-arm pad you already  had a chance to tower so...... i see it differant..
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: A8Hunter on March 27, 2008, 01:34:13 PM
Anytime I park on re-arm pad and take a trip to the tower I have only one thought: S T U P I D.  Daddy didn't raise the smartest kid but I know enuf to not sit idly by with an enemy aircraft in the area and not have a very close eye on em. Like the vulcher or not, we must take responsiblity for our own actions first. And I will add, I have taken several trips to the tower for my own failure in this area,,,,several!
Get smart, or die I say :aok
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on March 27, 2008, 01:57:47 PM
Dont you get more perks for killing someone who has a few kills under there belt?

p-51D "no kill low perk"
p-51D "3 kills higher perk"


Right?


Would be cool.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2008, 02:10:17 PM
Dont you get more perks for killing someone who has a few kills under there belt?

p-51D "no kill low perk"
p-51D "3 kills higher perk"


Right?


Would be cool.

AW's scoring system was like that.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Lusche on March 27, 2008, 02:15:24 PM
AW's scoring system was like that.


ack-ack

Did it have any noticeable influence on "tactics" ?
I mean, if implemented here I could evry well imagine the majority of players trying to kill RTB fighters at all costs, while ignoring inbound Jabo's. After all, the homebound enemy might have some kills under his pelt = more perks...
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: wrongwayric on March 27, 2008, 03:44:51 PM
It's a realistic war based game! You ain't sitting in the tower drinking coffee or eating doughnuts i'm shooting you! Your never safely landed in my opinion till your out of your plane sitting in the tower/hanger. If you choose to attempt to rearm then you should be looking for cons! If they dive in tower out, how hard is that? You chose not to safely land your 1 or 20 kills and attempted to rearm and up! You got caught! Same as a gv waiting for supplies on an enemy field/town, you take a risk. I've made the same mistake and sure it po's me but it is part of the realistic aspect of war. Next you'll ask for a white flag to hang out your canopy to call off the con on your 6. :rofl
AKsleepy
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: 1Boner on March 27, 2008, 04:02:24 PM
Interesting answers gentlemen, Thank you.

You have all (for the most part) cleared up a few things for me.

Like, all the talk on these BBs about this game being about "The Fight", is just that-----talk.

And for all the taunts about killing strat, attacking undefended bases, and other inert objects (milkrunning)
It is really no different than shooting an inert aircraft or a basicly defenseless aircraft trying to up for a "fight"

Why would I want to let a guy get up off the runway? Damn! he might try to (gulp) fight!

Personally, I never vulch a base unless we are trying to take it. But to each his own.



A real eye opener gents.

Thanks again for your input.


Boner
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Lusche on March 27, 2008, 04:15:49 PM

Personally, I never vulch a base unless we are trying to take it.

This is indeed an eyeopener. A bit along the line "When I do (vulch, ho, pick, whatever) I have a justified reason for it." And of course the enemy never has one himself when doing such low things ;)

If you vulch you will have to concede this right to your enemies too.


BTW some players (including me) may have not such a limited definition of "fight". Out there in the MA there is a battle going on. The fight begins the moment you spawn and ends when you are back in tower.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: wrongwayric on March 27, 2008, 04:16:06 PM
You obviously missed the realistic aspect of this game then. Timeout while i launch/land/rearm guys ok? :rofl Part of the challenge of the game is being smart enough to know when you have the upper hand and when you don't. Upping or rearming on a field that has cons around/over it is a risk. Sure it's about the fight but it's also about common sense.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Bronk on March 27, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
Anything  red icon is a target.



Quoted for truth. :D
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Lusche on March 27, 2008, 04:21:24 PM
Quoted for truth. :D

You could at least have corrected my grammar  :(
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2008, 04:43:09 PM
Did it have any noticeable influence on "tactics" ?
I mean, if implemented here I could evry well imagine the majority of players trying to kill RTB fighters at all costs, while ignoring inbound Jabo's. After all, the homebound enemy might have some kills under his pelt = more perks...

No, because in AW you never knew what a player's "rank" was.  It was a hidden stat that regular player's couldn't access.  IIRC, the way it worked was if you were engaged with a fight and shot down someone of equal or greater rank then you moved up the ranks.  Shoot someone of lesser rank and you didn't move up.  Cool thing was that these ranks weren't available to be seen by the masses so no one got hung up about playing for ranks though playing for score what rampant.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Spikes on March 27, 2008, 05:11:03 PM
I personally don't like shooting them on the pad, but if they had vulched me a few times and ran home I would chase them down and kill them any way I could...
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Rich46yo on March 27, 2008, 05:35:24 PM
If you offer me an opportunity to kill you, consider yourself dead.  It doesn't matter to me who, what, when, where or how.  My "job" when I'm in a fighter is to kill as many opponents as I can as quickly as I can and rtb safely (sometimes harder said than done).

That doesn't mean I'm not up for a good fight when one presents itself.  But between those I take what's offered.  No appologies.  If that makes me one of the "hated" members of the community, so be it.

                      Actually I find your honesty refreshing. At least its better then the guy who poses as the Red Baron on the forum yet take every cheap shot he can in the game.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Murdr on March 27, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
Many a plane has exploded on the re-arm pad due to a rocket I lobbed from over 3,500 yards away.  I don't see the problem :)
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: 1Boner on March 27, 2008, 05:40:38 PM
This is indeed an eyeopener. A bit along the line "When I do (vulch, ho, pick, whatever) I have a justified reason for it." And of course the enemy never has one himself when doing such low things ;)

If you vulch you will have to concede this right to your enemies too.


BTW some players (including me) may have not such a limited definition of "fight". Out there in the MA there is a battle going on. The fight begins the moment you spawn and ends when you are back in tower.



Taking a base and padding your score with cheap kills are 2 different things.

Its as despicable as spawncamping to me.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Lushe.


Again I thank you all for your input.



Boner
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Lusche on March 27, 2008, 05:52:26 PM


Taking a base and padding your score with cheap kills are 2 different things.


What about...

Padding your score while taking a base?

Padding your score while unscucessfully trying a base?
Who decides if it "really" was a base-grab?

I try to cap a base, but my countrymen suddenly disappear, no more support. Such things happen. Am I now a weak vulcher?. If they had showed up while I was capping and we captured that base - would that have made my vulches suddenly "acceptable"? What if my enemy doesn't believe that it was part of a basegrab? (Because that's how we players think: We always have a legit reason to vulch, they, of course, do not.)

The line you are trying to draw is a non-existant one.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Murdr on March 27, 2008, 05:52:44 PM
Don't know how long you've been in these games (AH/WB/AW), but I disagree with your assesment on vulching.

Then again, if you google "vulch" my game ID will display in the top return  :)
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Urthona on March 27, 2008, 06:19:01 PM
I sort of browsed through this forum but there were a few points I didn't see.  There are good reasons for using the re-arm pad besides trying to pad your score.

1)  If you're flying heavy and ords are down at the base the only way to get more bombs/rockets is re-arm.  Maybe the base is under heavy attack from a carrier and the guys willing to take the risk of re-arm in order to try and sink it.

2)  Fighter hangers are down.

3)  You're one of the 250+ guys that fly FSO every week where you actually have to re-arm and you just wanted a little practice.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: 1Boner on March 27, 2008, 06:24:28 PM
What about...

Padding your score while taking a base?

Padding your score while unscucessfully trying a base?
Who decides if it "really" was a base-grab?

I try to cap a base, but my countrymen suddenly disappear, no more support. Such things happen. Am I now a weak vulcher?. If they had showed up while I was capping and we captured that base - would that have made my vulches suddenly "acceptable"? What if my enemy doesn't believe that it was part of a basegrab? (Because that's how we players think: We always have a legit reason to vulch, they, of course, do not.)

The line you are trying to draw is a non-existant one.


The argument you are trying to make is an inane one.

Its all about intent.

I don't know of too many guys (although i,m sure there are many) who try to capture a base with the INTENT of padding there scores.(cept maybe the goon drivers!lol)

Vulching a base you have NO intention of taking for the sake of getting your K/D ratio up is a different story altogether.

People can play this game anyway they want, never said they shouldn't.

Just asking for opinions here.

I got em.

I gave em.

We are definately looking at this in different ways , lets leave it at that.

Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Bronk on March 27, 2008, 06:29:37 PM
Boner, please tell me what the difference is between a spawn vulch or rearm pad vulch?

For me there is no difference.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: VonMessa on March 27, 2008, 06:29:50 PM
I think Lusche is saying he "intends" to shoot you if you are a red icon.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Lusche on March 27, 2008, 06:39:16 PM
You rarely know your enemies "intention". You are assuming, and these assumptions are most of the time based on bias and pure speculation.

End of story: watch the airspace when on ground like you watch your six when airborne. If you die, the next plane is waiting for you in the hangar.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: TwentyFo on March 27, 2008, 07:06:41 PM
I will admit, I tried to kill a plane on the rearm pad yesterday in the MA; He towered before my bullets hit. Why did I do this? I have no idea....the opportunity was there and I went for it.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Coshy on March 27, 2008, 09:19:55 PM
I kinda like upping from a vulched field and just sit there on the runway until someone comes down, then at about 600 out I .ef. Wasted E for them and possibly wasted ammo. Win-Win for my side.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: VonMessa on March 27, 2008, 09:38:26 PM
I kinda like upping from a vulched field and just sit there on the runway until someone comes down, then at about 600 out I .ef. Wasted E for them and possibly wasted ammo. Win-Win for my side.

Now THAT is logical!
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: culero on March 27, 2008, 10:25:19 PM
But I'm your stereotypical Mexican, I'm too lazy to actually work for my kills.
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ack-ack

Hmmmm......where have I seen this before? :)

(http://home.rgv.rr.com/casamyers/1frito2.jpg)
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: culero on March 27, 2008, 10:30:01 PM
Boner, please tell me what the difference is between a spawn vulch or rearm pad vulch?

For me there is no difference.

Nope. Its all gud. Seriously.

Pissing people off is a good way to cause many good fights in the long run - enmity tends to seem to help that happen somehow. Cream 'em good when they're helpless a few times, all of a sudden here they come a little later with a full head of steam and warpaint on. Now the real fun begins :)
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: hubsonfire on March 27, 2008, 11:52:52 PM
So by killing people on the rearm pad, chasing down damaged/winchester planes, and shooting chutes, we are actually helping the community focus on the important things- which is mostly logging in and trying to kill each other, after a day of trying to drive each other nuts on the forum, devoting countless hours to a neverending cycle of death, vengence, and reciprocating acts of cartoon violence, ad infinitum.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on March 28, 2008, 12:15:35 AM
So by killing people on the rearm pad, chasing down damaged/winchester planes, and shooting chutes, we are actually helping the community focus on the important things- which is mostly logging in and trying to kill each other, after a day of trying to drive each other nuts on the forum, devoting countless hours to a neverending cycle of death, vengence, and reciprocating acts of cartoon violence, ad infinitum.
duh!
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: culero on March 28, 2008, 03:17:32 AM
So by killing people on the rearm pad, chasing down damaged/winchester planes, and shooting chutes, we are actually helping the community focus on the important things- which is mostly logging in and trying to kill each other, after a day of trying to drive each other nuts on the forum, devoting countless hours to a neverending cycle of death, vengence, and reciprocating acts of cartoon violence, ad infinitum.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!  :salute
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: COndor06 on March 28, 2008, 03:18:05 AM
In the classic words of Milvil (I'd Vulch my Grandmother if she was standing on the end of the runway)
"Classic"
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: uberslet on March 28, 2008, 06:12:22 AM


Diving through ack to pick someone on the re-arm pad or landing is the height of poor form, in my opinion.

*cough cough* YGBSM *cough cough*  :lol
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: nick172 on March 28, 2008, 09:05:29 AM
I was vulched on takeoff yesterday and I accutally <S> the guy, I had killed him earlyer and it was my dang fault for upping a field that had cons over it.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: TexMurphy on March 28, 2008, 09:27:17 AM
Imho planes on rearm pad are free game.

You make a choise in not towering out. You make a choise that you want to prolong your sortie inorder to be able to boost a higher kill message once you tower. Risk and reward. If its too risky dont do it. Since your sortie is "on going" you are still a target.

Tex
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Nilsen on March 28, 2008, 09:41:33 AM
When i sit in the rearm pad i have one finger on the "exit" button.

Problem solved.
Title: Re: Shooting Planes on the re-arm pad.
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 28, 2008, 12:31:08 PM
Hmmmm......where have I seen this before? :)

(http://home.rgv.rr.com/casamyers/1frito2.jpg)


LOL! Howdy Culero ^__^


ack-ack