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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pooh21 on March 26, 2008, 11:35:51 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080327/ap_on_re_us/ak47s
The first paragraph is :rofl :rofl :rofl
Those semiautomatic large capacity machineguns will be the death of us all!
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R.I.P. those who died, good luck and stay strong to those wounded.
At 14, I already know the AK-47 is one of the most popular assault rifles in the world. [sarcasm] I never could have known that it was being used more and more by criminals, thanks for the help. [/end sarcasm]
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Wondering if they realize that they took a huge dump on the ATF and gun bans in that article.
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The sensationalists are why I do not bring my hi-cap mags to the public range, Although they are legal here in WV.
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R.I.P. those who died, good luck and stay strong to those wounded.
At 14, I already know the AK-47 is one of the most popular assault rifles in the world. [sarcasm] I never could have known that it was being used more and more by criminals, thanks for the help. [/end sarcasm]
actually, in my opinion it is the BEST assault rifle currently and has been for over 60 years, no suprise that it is being used for crime, big suprise that it hasn't been used more. i really like guns and all that stuff, but the draw back is that they sorta kill people
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actually, in my opinion it is the BEST assault rifle currently and has been for over 60 years, no suprise that it is being used for crime, big suprise that it hasn't been used more. i really like guns and all that stuff, but the draw back is that they sorta kill people
I'm going to place my money on you not having any real clue on the matter.
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Figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, obtained by The Associated Press through public records requests, show a marked increase in the number of AK-type weapons traced and entered into the agency's computer database because they had been seized or connected to a crime.
Trace information has been discredited as being invalid to draw conclusions about actual usage in crime, by the FBI in fact. It is used in gun control propaganda because it usually provides a figure higher than the actual FBI figures for use in homicide, which rest at less than 2 percent. This real figure is almost universally ignored by the media, even though journalism 101 would suggest asking the question: Just how often are these weapons used in homicide? You'll notice that they do not deviate from "trace" to actual use in this article.
The numbers corroborate what police chiefs around the country have been saying: AKs and other so-called assault weapons are terrorizing their communities and endangering their officers
Police chiefs are political appointees who toe the mayors line on issues like gun control I reacall one former Chicago "Top Cop" stating basically that semi automatic rifles were machine guns (dozens of bullets with a few pulls of the trigger). Of course he was not called on it by the ignorant or biased (or both) press that quoted him.
The rank and file cops often have a completely different view on gun control than their politically beholden chiefs.
You'll also notice that the weak journalist that wrote this article transitions from semi-automatic weapons to fully automatic AK-47s at the end of the article. This type of reporting is why most people still think the proposed "Assault Weapons Bans" are actually banning machine guns -- that are already virtually regulated out of common ownership. That, and local politicians sending out "save the children" brochures featuring belt fed .50 machine guns as what the .50 ban proposals are supposed to cover and images of a soldier holding a SAW as the assault weapons the bans are supposed to cover.
You'll also notice in this piece of tripe that the "balance" provided equals about three sentences of opposing viewpoint in total.
With the way Heller is heading the Joyce foundation and its willing ideological minions are getting desperate. Their goal is to ban handguns and most firearms but since that is turning belly up, they have to push the AWB agenda with extra force.
This tripe ran in the Tribune yesterday and I made similar comments in the online edition. I noticed that I cant find the article today, so maybe a small victory was gained.
Charon
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I suppose the automatic assault rifles are already illegal in this state? Which would mean that an increased gun control would have very little means to control the issue of already illegal guns that cannot be bought legally at all. However the enemy will always seek for an upper hand in a battle and therefore less threat from guns could result in less widespread usage of harmful weapons by criminals. The two sides of a coin.
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actually, in my opinion it is the BEST assault rifle currently and has been for over 60 years, no suprise that it is being used for crime, big suprise that it hasn't been used more. i really like guns and all that stuff, but the draw back is that they sorta kill people
They aren't used more because they are relatively expensive and difficult to conceal. The primary weapon is a cheap .380, .38 or perhaps 9mm handgun. Some gangbangers and thugs may possess one as a "showpiece" (which is where you can get inflated trace figures) and may use one occasionally in a drive by, etc. However, they are not practical street weapons. In Chicago/Cook County, where the AWB drive is in full political force you hear about one being used in crime (and you will hear about EVERY ONE used in crime) about ever other year or so. With 400-700 people dead from other weapons each year you still get marches and media circuses each time pone of these magic “super weapons” is used.
A look at Chicago homicide statistics show you are at about the same to half the threat from ANY kind of rifle as you are from a baseball bat. Not generic blunt objects, but specifically baseball bats. It makes as much factual sense to ban baseball bats as it does semi automatic rifles. Again, though, the 4th Estate either through ignorance or bias fails to provide any factual coverage of this.
Also, without the automatic fire capability these become only a marginally powerful semiautomatic rifle, inferior in lethality to most hunting rifles, shotguns and battle rifles like the Garand.
Charon
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Trace information has been discredited as being invalid to draw conclusions about actual usage in crime, by the FBI in fact. It is used in gun control propaganda because it usually provides a figure higher than the actual FBI figures for use in homicide, which rest at less than 2 percent. This real figure is almost universally ignored by the media, even though journalism 101 would suggest asking the question: Just how often are these weapons used in homicide? You'll notice that they do not deviate from "trace" to actual use in this article.
Police chiefs are political appointees who toe the mayors line on issues like gun control I reacall one former Chicago "Top Cop" stating basically that semi automatic rifles were machine guns (dozens of bullets with a few pulls of the trigger). Of course he was not called on it by the ignorant or biased (or both) press that quoted him.
The rank and file cops often have a completely different view on gun control than their politically beholden chiefs.
You'll also notice that the weak journalist that wrote this article transitions from semi-automatic weapons to fully automatic AK-47s at the end of the article. This type of reporting is why most people still think the proposed "Assault Weapons Bans" are actually banning machine guns -- that are already virtually regulated out of common ownership. That, and local politicians sending out "save the children" brochures featuring belt fed .50 machine guns as what the .50 ban proposals are supposed to cover and images of a soldier holding a SAW as the assault weapons the bans are supposed to cover.
You'll also notice in this piece of tripe that the "balance" provided equals about three sentences of opposing viewpoint in total.
With the way Heller is heading the Joyce foundation and its willing ideological minions are getting desperate. Their goal is to ban handguns and most firearms but since that is turning belly up, they have to push the AWB agenda with extra force.
This tripe ran in the Tribune yesterday and I made similar comments in the online edition. I noticed that I cant find the article today, so maybe a small victory was gained.
Charon
Yep, now I won't go so far as to say the Media has a liberal bias, because in most cases I think it is really a sensationalism bias, but when guns come into play, the news media is so far left they have little red books in their pockets. :mad:
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i really like guns and all that stuff, but the draw back is that they sorta kill people
People kill people. Guns are just a tool for the purpose. It works just as well as a hat rack if you use it for that purpose.
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Gto I come from a PR background before I moved into trade journalism. In PR, the goal is not to lie, but to tell a selective truth.
I recall reading an article a long time ago quoting Brady, or a Brady position piece itself perhaps, and immediately noticed they used "crime traces" instead of crime or homicide or murder. Hmmm. My spider sense was tingling. Crime trace is a lot weaker than crime, or homicide or murder in making your case, so why use the watered doown language? When I researched crime traces vs actual usage the language choice made sense. The usage figures are so low most people, even average Jane Soccer Mom might be tempted to say -- so what? Even the trace data was weak, at about 4 percent or so. But, that was the most impressive figure the Bradys could come up with, and they knew most people would mentally gloss over the whole "trace" reference.
Of course, propaganda like this requires a willing or ignorant (or likely both) media to work. The reporters have to not question the "facts" presented or not ask simple questions like, "you mentioned traces, but what about actual usage by criminals in homicide?" And, where firearms are concerned they are either biased or ignorant or both.
I have seen the last two Tribune editorials supporting AWB initiatives that did not make a single factual reference. In one case they copy and pasted bullet points from Brady.org. In that same editorial they lead in with "We cannot say if these weapons have been used more in crime since the ban ended, but (save the children, yada yada yada). WTF do you mean you "can't say" isn’t that your fricken job!
I have tracked the local Tribune coverage around gun events and from hard news with no editorializing to the selection of letters to the editor to the balance within editorializing articles passing off as hard news and there is virtually no balance. Quantifiable in a fairly objective sense.
IGOLD an annual firearm supporters march on Springfield (IL capital) had about 2500 participants this year, in the middle of the week covering 6 full blocks and virtually no reference in the Chicago media. Jessie Jackson busses in two loads of professional protestors on the PUSH dole to wear tee shirts and carry signs outside a local gun shop and it gets coverage by everybody. The difference -- in propaganda it is optimal to dehumanize the opposition. It’s not the people of Illinois protesting these gun laws but the evil NRA Gun Lobby <tm> Showing 2500 actual people helps defeat that spin, so it isn't covered.
Really too many examples not to conclude, objectively, that there is either intentional or institutional bias.
Big city newsrooms are not diverse. They may have a range of racial and ethnic and gender and lifestyle choices, but not culture diversity. They are the products of Ivy League schools with highly liberal academic foundations. Just look at Columbia University. They typically come from backgrounds that can afford to pay tuition at Ivy League type schools – perhaps fiscally conservative but not necessarily conservative otherwise. They come up through the ranks mentored by people with the same liberal core beliefs. Their editors share those beliefs. The publishers probably are more conservative but then, like many elites (Soros, etc. the Joyce folk even the Bushes), feel that the masses should not be trusted with guns.
There is also a conflict of interest. In the glory shootings/suicides like Virginia Tech, you can make a case that “sensible” restrictions on the 1st make as much if not more sense than any reactive restriction on the 2nd. A gun is the tool that they use, but international media coverage is the motivation. But that must not be addressed, except as some easily fading, generic moment of do nothing soul searching while they count the profits earned off of coverage of the tragedy. No activist calls to sensibly restrict the 1st on the Tribune editorial pages, that's for sure.
Fortunately, the Internet still allows an open, fact-based discussion of such issues that the monolithic, MSM cannot control with its many gatekeepers. At least so far.
Charon
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I actually liked this article more... http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VLPIPO2&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VLPIPO2&show_article=1)
The joys of reading how dangerous a sport is for kids by somebody who has never actually trained.