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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: smokey23 on March 26, 2008, 11:39:03 PM
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For god sakes cap the eny already. :furious I Was in blue tonight and just as bish start winnin our eny goes from 5 to 29 in a matter of minutes, why punish us just because the other sides wont stay and fight. I say cap eny at 15 not any higher its still high but at least give us an eny we can work with.
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Why punish the whole arena because bish horde?
Changes sides or put up with it....
Better yet change arenas?? (other than a Tuesday)
Strip(er)
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What were the Bish winning, the do-over?
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Strip,
I don't think it sounds like the Bish were hordeing and had the numbers to begin with. It's that one country was getting beat back, so as they got pushed into the corner a sizable number of their team decided to go to a different arena where the field numbers were more balanced (or they had the advantage) CREATING the horde.
I think this is one of the biggest drawbacks of the multi-arena format. If one side gets the upper hand, rather than the down country's members all logging and going to a different arena driving up ENY as a result, they would actually stick around.
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ENY is a major improvement over how things use to be. The only change I would recommend is that people who have been inactive for more then 15 minute, and are not signed up for an upcoming mission, not be counted into the ENY.
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For god sakes cap the eny already. :furious I Was in blue tonight and just as bish start winnin our eny goes from 5 to 29 in a matter of minutes, why punish us just because the other sides wont stay and fight.
Maybe some don't see the fun in fighting against 10 to 1 odds. I'm sure you like fighting with 10 to 1 odds in your La-7, which is why I like it when the ENY kicks in. Then I can laugh while reading whines like yours in the forums. Thank you for not disappointing me :salute.
ack-ack
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wouldnt be a bish horde if you stuck around and faught not run to an arena where youre not getting wipped and you know exactly what i mean by winning , its called the war map whichever you want to call it but just because you cant hold youre ground against superior teamwork and cohesiveness as our country does you up and leave the arena boo hoo go back to X-box if you cant handle the pressure. its like talkin to my brothers 6 year old kid.
PS i havent flown an LA in months thats a lamers plane dont care for it. sorry to dissapoint you ackack
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When eny hits the knights, i'll just up GVs and keep myself busy until I can fly the beloved pony again :rock
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PS i havent flown an LA in months thats a lamers plane dont care for it.
lol spoken like a true lemming. Ever have an original thought?
ack-ack
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started this post as a comment on the eny structure and how it needs to be addressed and you turn it into a personal assault WTG ack ack just another computer tough guy. you need to read the forum rules #4 & #5 my comments are general youres is personal you may want to reread the forum rules before attacking peoples character and or opinions on the BB.
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You need a thicker skin.
ack-ack
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He must have missed all the other ENY posts.
ENY works well as is.
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Ive read all the eny posts and all ive read is how ENY should be done away with. Im not suggesting stopping the eny all im saying is drop down the maximum penalty a 29 eny is absolutely rediculous for all sides not just bish it leaves the country that is faceing a 29 eny with little options brings defending a base down to throwing rocks and sticks. lowering the max eny would really help any country faceing an eny. IMHO
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Ive read all the eny posts and all ive read is how ENY should be done away with. Im not suggesting stopping the eny all im saying is drop down the maximum penalty a 29 eny is absolutely rediculous for all sides not just bish it leaves the country that is faceing a 29 eny with little options brings defending a base down to throwing rocks and sticks. lowering the max eny would really help any country faceing an eny. IMHO
1st: If you get ENY 29, your country has aconsiderable numerical advantage. If you can not bring that to bear, it's not exactly ENY's fault.
2nd: Even ENY 29 is far from being "thrown rocks & sticks". 190A8 to shred all the bombers by just looking at them. 109F & G-2 for air superiority.
3rd: Not the country with ENY 29 is the one that needs help...
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Ive read all the eny posts and all ive read is how ENY should be done away with.
Wonder how you miss hitech's words then:
Also any other change I would add to effect country balance would be more limiting than the current system not less.
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:( So eny suxs and guys are abusing it, once again it was a great idea that is being exploited. Well if you don't like eny switch sides? Why so we can all be accused of being spies or the big "C" word? I personally liked eny as it originally was intended but what it has become through abuse is crazy. I don't think there is a good solution to eny, without it hordes rule, with it large groups of people attacking mutliple bases can't up anything to effectively defend or capture bases. Titanic tuesdays has brought back the horde mentality and made it glaringly clear to see. I don't care how good you are in a early/mid war bird, 20 uber planes are going to wack a lot of the country that's been forced by eny to up those rides. There are quite a lot of pilots that can kill 10 planes in 1 sortie in the uber rides as long as he's fighting inferior aircraft. I don't know what the solution is but what we have now isn't working. :(
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My squad only flies bishop. Bishops may not have the best pilots or gv'ers, but one thing we do well is work together. Punishing the team that is owning the other teams isn't fair. Some of us play the game to win the war.
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Hmm, how about this instead...
PULEEZE CAP THE BISH ROSTER!! TOO MANY BISH USIN UP ALL DA GOOD PLANES!!!
My squad only flies bishop. Bishops may not have the best pilots or gv'ers, but one thing we do well is work together. Punishing the team that is owning the other teams isn't fair. Some of us play the game to win the war.
Now, on a lighter note.....
So 24...what you're saying is that it IS fair for you to outnumber your opponents heavily and win the "war" only because you have arena odds? Some how, your logic simply doesn't seem to......fly. :aok
(BTW, it is funny that you talk about things being unfair when the ENY says that you were winning because you outnumbered everyone...perhaps "fair" game play isn't really what you are after.) :lol
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:( So eny suxs and guys are abusing it, once again it was a great idea that is being exploited. Well if you don't like eny switch sides? Why so we can all be accused of being spies or the big "C" word? I personally liked eny as it originally was intended but what it has become through abuse is crazy. I don't think there is a good solution to eny, without it hordes rule, with it large groups of people attacking mutliple bases can't up anything to effectively defend or capture bases. Titanic tuesdays has brought back the horde mentality and made it glaringly clear to see. I don't care how good you are in a early/mid war bird, 20 uber planes are going to wack a lot of the country that's been forced by eny to up those rides. There are quite a lot of pilots that can kill 10 planes in 1 sortie in the uber rides as long as he's fighting inferior aircraft. I don't know what the solution is but what we have now isn't working. :(
I don't understand what your saying here. :huh
If your "Bish" and have an ENY of 29 you can't up "uber rides" however when the enemy brings in their "Ubur rides", you out number the enemy and should have no trouble going against them 2 and 3 to 1. Even in uber rides its tuough to fight against 3 !
ENY works great as it is.
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So 24...what you're saying is that it IS fair for you to outnumber your opponents heavily and win the "war" only because you have arena odds? Some how, your logic simply doesn't seem to......fly. :aok
(BTW, it is funny that you talk about things being unfair when the ENY says that you were winning because you outnumbered everyone...perhaps "fair" game play isn't really what you are after.) :lol
What I'm saying is that most times when Bishops are beginning to take numerous bases there is no ENY (The sides are even). After about 5 captures, people from the other countries (Rooks and Knights) go to the other arena. I'm sick and tired of being punished for working together. It's not my fault other countries aren't formulating an attack.
Finally, just because you have eny advantage does not mean you are winning. I remember a few nights back I was defending bases with about 4 guys and we were getting our butts kicked. At that time we had an eny of 17, I think. It was nearly impossible for us 4 guys to defend against 10 or so knights in the air and ground.
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For god sakes cap the eny already. :furious I Was in blue tonight and just as bish start winnin our eny goes from 5 to 29 in a matter of minutes, why punish us just because the other sides wont stay and fight. I say cap eny at 15 not any higher its still high but at least give us an eny we can work with.
chit dude!!!!!!! pick a different title would ya?????
i saw this, and the first thing i thought was "how the helllll did i piss anyone off if i've only flown 5 hours this month??!!" :rofl
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:rofl no offense to you cap1 it just sorta came out that way :salute
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bish start working together
bish start taking bases
rooks and nits get annoyed and go to other arena
bish get penalized because their opposition threw in the towel early.
that is the gist of the argument.
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Us bish just reset blue arena. We had to make missions with high eny planes because of the eny. We adapted, eny is just fine.
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Us bish just reset blue arena. We had to make missions with high eny planes because of the eny. We adapted, eny is just fine.
...and yet, bish continue to come here and complain that ENY mistreats them. Go figure! :huh
I will ask what I have asked in other recent threads about how unfair ENY is.....how long have the folks complaining about it been here? If you don't remember the rook horde monkeys that instigated the ENY mod....then you are really complaining about something you have no understanding of.
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YES! I rember when in MW eny was 45. Killing P-38s was real fun in M-3s.
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YES! I rember when in MW eny was 45. Killing P-38s was real fun in M-3s.
im still a big advocate of ENY not ELIMINATING aircraft, just adding a perk value to previously free ones..
I.E. if you want to fly a 5 ENY plane, and ENY is at 5, it costs you 1 perkies, if its at 6, it costs you 2.. etc and so on and so forth..
that way there is still a limiting factor, if you want to fly a low ENY plane at all times, its gonna cost ya, but at the same time, you can always fly whatever ya want. ( just better make sure you can afford losing it)
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YES! I rember when in MW eny was 45. Killing P-38s was real fun in M-3s.
if ENY was 45 you wouldn't be doing anything. The highest ENY value is 40. Not to mention the cap is at 29, which is what this thread is about.
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im still a big advocate of ENY not ELIMINATING aircraft, just adding a perk value to previously free ones..
I.E. if you want to fly a 5 ENY plane, and ENY is at 5, it costs you 1 perkies, if its at 6, it costs you 2.. etc and so on and so forth..
that way there is still a limiting factor, if you want to fly a low ENY plane at all times, its gonna cost ya, but at the same time, you can always fly whatever ya want. ( just better make sure you can afford losing it)
Problem with that is only the more experienced pilots, with a lot of perkies, will be flying those planes. There are many of them that could be totally careless with their aircraft and not have to worry about running out of perks.
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Problem with that is only the more experienced pilots, with a lot of perkies, will be flying those planes. There are many of them that could be totally careless with their aircraft and not have to worry about running out of perks.
granted... but high ENY situations are not super common, so even a newbie will more than likely have the 4 or 5 perkies needed to fly the plane of his choice when he gets into a situation where he must pay to fly what was previously free..
also the uber pilots with 1000s of perkies that could fly anything at any time are not the problem when sheer numbers becomes an issue...
Its your masses average Joe 1500 rank pilots who make up the majority of the "horde"
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I'm always a bit confused by this arguement. There are a number of exceptional planes with an ENY of 30 or above. On those very rare occasions it gets into the 30's #'s are so far out of whack you cant find anything to kill anyway. I never log because we're out numbered...only when we have too many.
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Eny works great....
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im still a big advocate of ENY not ELIMINATING aircraft, just adding a perk value to previously free ones..
I.E. if you want to fly a 5 ENY plane, and ENY is at 5, it costs you 1 perkies, if its at 6, it costs you 2.. etc and so on and so forth..
that way there is still a limiting factor, if you want to fly a low ENY plane at all times, its gonna cost ya, but at the same time, you can always fly whatever ya want. ( just better make sure you can afford losing it)
Doh. Can you ever read? I will repost hitech's words once again specially for you.
Also any other change I would add to effect country balance would be more limiting than the current system not less.
So, if you want adding perks to planes as ENY grows, it will probably looks like this: ENY = 3-4, planes with ENY 5 got perked; ENY >= 5, planes with ENY 5 got disabled and so on. Do you really want it? :rofl
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It isnt that complicated im not saying get rid of the ENY all im saying is drop the maximum ENY number to 15 dont let it climb so high yes its a game and evening out the sides are a good thing but when one sides working together and hittin on all cylinders takeing bases why punish them because the other sides cant stand their ground and fight ,they seem to feel leaveing the arena and causeing ENY numbers to climb to rediculous numbers is a good thing. I feel like im preaching to the choir.
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well, if you don't let it climb, then you are effectively doing nothing to balance sides...so basically outnumbering someone by 200 would have the same effect as outnumbering someone by 100. Doesn't really seem to make much sense if your goal is to level the playing field a bit. The idea of adding perks instead of disabling a plane might work, but only if it grew exponetially. 5-10 perks is nothing. If you had 1000, thats 100 lost planes, not exactly a motivator...add to that huge number advantage, it might actually be hard to lose a plane, thus making that form useless. Of course if you add higher eny, some maybe a spit16 is 200 perks, might be effective, but then again would probably have a very similar outcome as the current form of eny. Not to mention, you still might have to pay for planes that are free under when eny in effect. As to capping eny, you are basically asking to reduce the only measure AH has to encourage fair play.
I will never understand the argument that somehow the team with huge number advantage, is somehow the underdog in all this. There are plenty of planes that can get the job done, and you can still put many more of them up against the rest of the arena. Also you should have plenty of people to watch your back.
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It isnt that complicated im not saying get rid of the ENY all im saying is drop the maximum ENY number to 15 dont let it climb so high
I think there is just underlying assumption that planes with ENY>15 are crap. So crappy, that no numerical superiority can offset it.
And you are very very wrong with that.
But eith a constant k/D of ~ 0.25 for several tours, the actual plane you are in might not matter at all ;)
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I wish we could man the trees..... wow imagine the kills.
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I think there is just underlying assumption that planes with ENY>15 are crap. So crappy, that no numerical superiority can offset it.
And you are very very wrong with that.
But eith a constant k/D of ~ 0.25 for several tours, the actual plane you are in might not matter at all ;)
You hit the nail squarely on the head here, for a plane/numbers dependent pilot there's a fine line where you have both the "better" plane and enough of an edge in localized numbers to "score" well. As the edge in numbers you need grows then you have an ENY issue....but only if you lost your preferred ride. After all if ENY goes up all you need to do is hit the rearm pad.
Whats so funny here is that the 109F might just be the best perk farmer in the game and at a lower ENY the yak might just be the best plane in the game period at typical AH alts.
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I guess the only time ENY ever erks me is when I can't up my 20 eny P38-J. I usually fall back into the 109 series of planes then and those 109s are DEADLY! If it gets above that, well, my kite works pretty good too. :D
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It isnt that complicated im not saying get rid of the ENY all im saying is drop the maximum ENY number to 15 dont let it climb so high yes its a game and evening out the sides are a good thing but when one sides working together and hittin on all cylinders takeing bases why punish them because the other sides cant stand their ground and fight ,they seem to feel leaveing the arena and causeing ENY numbers to climb to rediculous numbers is a good thing.
So, what you seem to be saying is that "fair" game play is okay as long as it doesn't interfere with you beating the crap outta someone with your numbers? BTW, the ENY mod doesn't "punish" anyone. It encourages horde monkeys to stop rubbing each other's bottoms and spread out! :)
I feel like im preaching to the choir.
Funny, I feel like I'm preaching to a brick wall. :D
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It isnt that complicated im not saying get rid of the ENY all im saying is drop the maximum ENY number to 15 dont let it climb so high...
All this so you can outnumber the arena 10 to 1 and still fly your La-7s. Sad.
ack-ack
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All this so you can outnumber the arena 10 to 1 and still fly your La-7s. Sad.
ack-ack
When all you can fly is an icon seeking missile eny becomes a major game play factor.
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I figure it's the quality of the pilot that matters more than the plane. Maybe something could be worked out where the pilot's ranking could figure in. No ENY over 15 for anyone though. It would be a nightmare to get stuck in a P40 B just as vctory appears within reach. Nothing against the P40 B. Ibeen shot down by enough of them to have nightmares ,it's just has no snap except when you spend E.
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Wonders how that is a nightmare. Just get your 9 other buddies and go teach that lone dweeb plane a lesson in math.
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I figure at my skill level I would only need two.
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Ranking has nothing to do with skill, but timidity. The ones you need to fear are the ones who aren't afraid to mix it up.
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I have noticed that the bish will all log at the same time. At least half will log off at once upsetting the balance immediately.