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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: nick172 on March 27, 2008, 11:53:06 AM
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Ok what does the p47d-25 have over the 40? Been flying the 40 a little latly and cnnot figure out why I would fly the 25.
Nick172
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Slight decrease in turn radius, IIRC.
Not an equal risk-reward when compared to speed and acceleration lost.
Kinda like people who fly the G14 over the K4. Inferior A/C, all things considered, they just like it.
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So far as I can see from DokGonzo's performance charts http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php (http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php), the 40 has slightly stronger WEP than the 25, otherwise they are equal (it's barely enough to notice). Perhaps the 40 has better ordinance packages?
Btw, the reason why some fly the G-14 instead of the K-4 is the MG-151 instead of the MK-108. Against tougher opposition who don't let you get within 200 yards for a shot, the MG-151 is far more useful. So for fighter-vs-fighter work, the G-14's weapons package really is better. It's only for baby-seal-clubbing that the K-4 is better. ;)
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Slight decrease in turn radius, IIRC.
Not an equal risk-reward when compared to speed and acceleration lost.
Kinda like people who fly the G14 over the K4. Inferior A/C, all things considered, they just like it.
The G-14 climbs better and turns better and has more guns than the K-4. The K-4 maybe faster but how does that make the G-14 inferior?
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The G-14 climbs better and turns better and has more guns than the K-4. The K-4 maybe faster but how does that make the G-14 inferior?
It either climbs & turns a tad better, or it has more guns. Taking the gondolas adds weight and drag.
And note that while in clean configuration the G14 has a smaller turning radius, the turn rate (degrees/second) is actually pretty much the same. The K-4 has a higher sustained turning speed.
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It either climbs & turns a tad better, or it has more guns. Taking the gondolas adds weight and drag.
And note that while in clean configuration the G14 has a smaller turning radius, the turn rate (degrees/second) is actually pretty much the same. The K-4 has a higher sustained turning speed.
Right but without the gondolas you have a the single 20mm which depending on personal preference has more fire power not in damage caused by the rounds but how many rounds actually hit the target. I don't know how the gun packages compare in weight, i would think the 20mm is lighter.
Out of curiosity you wouldn't happen to know the stall speed clean config. with a full fuel load?
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I don't know how the gun packages compare in weight, i would think the 20mm is lighter.
20mm /200rnds package is 89lbs lighter than the MK108 loadout.
And no, don't have exact numbers on stall speeds right now.
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Ok what does the p47d-25 have over the 40?
Prettier skins. Don't laugh. P47s are all about going down with style :rock
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the difrance between a 25 and 40 to me is what i feel like doing for the 25 seems like a better dogfighter and the 40 is a beter attacker
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-40 is the better plane performance-wise. I prefer the D-25 because it has better skins...seriously...
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D-25 has the Gabreski camoflauge scheme.
Next question.
Seriously- it's a bit lighter, so it maneuvers a bit easier, but it carries a little less fuel, and can't climb as good.
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Ok, I like 109s in general. I spent time last night teaching a veteran the airplane last evening. He likes the 109K. So, he took the 109K and I took an La-5FN. After 10 minutes of utter domination by the LaLa, I moved him into the 109G-2. I took a 109G-14. Immediately, he found that the G-2 was easier to fly and started showing improvement. After a little over an hour, he had learned how and when to use flaps, how to maximize the merge and began getting the hang of flying where he was looking, rather than looking where he was flying. My advice was master the G-2, move to and master the G-14 next. Then get back into the 109K-4, where he'll suddenly discover how much easier it is to manage.
As a dogfighter, I prefer the G-14. For pickin' from the vertical, the K-4 is a great bird. Find yourself Co-e against a G-14 and it can ugly should you attempt to maneuver fight.
As to P-47s, I prefer the P-47D-25 to the -40 for aesthetic reasons. It's just a better looking airplane with better skins. It's also lighter, so it's handling is superior. I'll fly the D-40 to pound a GV horde, due to the better climb rate (I'll also take 6 guns and the short clip to maximize climb). But for the simple joy of just flying a Jug, I'll take the D-25 over the rest.
My regards,
Widewing
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What's the difference between the 25 and the 40?
Oh, I'd say about 15... :devil
(all about style and preference, IMO, a different weapons package, a different power level, but pretty close)
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Ok what does the p47d-25 have over the 40? Been flying the 40 a little latly and cnnot figure out why I would fly the 25.
Nick172
4o has dive flaps
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I think the 40 is the best bombing platform in the game. But...I havnt flown all the dive bombers yet.
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-40 climbs better than the 25 on wep, that mushc is for sure..
according to the charts the -25 does not turn or do anything else for that matter, better than the -40
in fact, in most USEFUL applications, the -40 is better than the N...
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I got to go with the -40 cause thats our one of our 367th historical squad rides
But i like these jugs too...
(http://www.geocities.com/cools367/topa0135-3b.jpg)
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Nice pictures... :rofl
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The G-14 climbs better and turns better and has more guns than the K-4. The K-4 maybe faster but how does that make the G-14 inferior?
G14 does not climb faster than the K4. Not even close.
Difference in turn radius is almost a non issue since, if you're flat-turn fighting in a 109, its not your bird.
Two equal sticks G14 vs. K4, 1v1, the K4 will win every time because it can more effectively dictate the vertical, which makes all other options and potential advantages (ease of gun package use) worthless.
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G14 does not climb faster than the K4. Not even close.
Difference in turn radius is almost a non issue since, if you're flat-turn fighting in a 109, its not your bird.
Two equal sticks G14 vs. K4, 1v1, the K4 will win every time because it can more effectively dictate the vertical, which makes all other options and potential advantages (ease of gun package use) worthless.
Actually, climb rate is virtually a dead heat up to about 10k, where the 109K-4 gains a very slight edge. Test them, see for yourself. If anything, the G-14 is slightly superior between 5k and 10k.
Here's the climb charts representing in game climb per HTC.
109K-4:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/109k4clmb.gif)
109G-14:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/109g14clmb.gif)
My regards,
Widewing
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G14 does not climb faster than the K4. Not even close.
(http://www.netaces.org/TEMP/g14-k4climb.jpg)
Actually, they are very close on WEP. The K4 gains a bit above 10k, but the G14 has an edge between 5 & 10.
Regards,
Hammer
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Awww, Widewing used pre-made pictures... that's like a HO! :lol
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I always feel like the d25 is more manouverable and likes to roll etter shes an awsome beast.
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Wow. Thats actually really surprising... then why does the G14 feel like such a pig compared to the K4? Even without gondolas?
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I got to go with the -40 cause thats our one of our 367th historical squad rides
But i like these jugs too...
(http://www.geocities.com/cools367/topa0135-3b.jpg)
Cute RC plane.
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Wow. Thats actually really surprising... then why does the G14 feel like such a pig compared to the K4? Even without gondolas?
It doesn't, to me. Feels a little more nimble (and this may just be placebo effect).
The only major differences show up over 15-20k.
If you've got those alt monkey, fight-avoiding, 30k-flying, lancasters, though, the K-4 is the way to go.
EDIT: Sorry for the side-track. I had intended to draw a parallel to the P-47s by showing how they're all pretty darned similar to each other, and only really close down to the stall, low and slow, with full flaps out, will you notice TOO much difference. Similar to the G14/K4. I just ran out of time typing it and forgot to include it.
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How come every thread eventually turns into a 109 thread :confused:
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How come every thread eventually turns into a 109 thread :confused:
idk about EVRY thread, but if its about a plane liek the jug, ofc the 109ers are gonna show up. ofc, the only reason i'm here is to read on the 109, i cant stand the jug in this game.... tho the 8 .50's are fun.
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How come every thread eventually turns into a 109 thread :confused:
Because is there anything sweeter than the sound of a DB.605 startup/running? Is there anything in the sky more sleek and sexy as the 109? Is there anything more gratifing than hurling 20/30mm love taps at fast moving hunks of metal and watching them spontaniously combust?
MMMMM..... 109 :rock
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How come every thread eventually turns into a 109 thread :confused:
Because everyone has a secret desire to fly in nothing but leather banana hammocks. :D
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How come every thread eventually turns into a 109 thread :confused:
because its the cockroach of WW2 planes :t
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because its the cockroach of WW2 planes :t
very tru, it survived from the spanish civil war all the way til after the end of WW2, so its certainly surved as well as a cocroach, but other than the awful canopy, its way to pretty to be a cocroach.
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It's funny that the Jug thread has been hijacked by a 109 thread, as those are my 2 favorite rides.
Widewing, thanks again for the 109 training, it taught me alot and I feel more confident in the K4 now, all because I can handle the G2 much better. I've found that my preference for the K4 over the G14 is merely asthetical. I can't stand the bumps on the cowling of the G14.
As for the Jug, I prefer the D40 over all of the rest. I know the D11 is a better turner, and that the N is faster, the D-40 just feels more comfortable for me. As far as Jabbo goes for some reason I can't hit crap in a jug dive bombing but can in a Pony. I just love the D-40 because I can dive with anything and then turn reasonably well at high speeds. That and the flaps at 400mph allow me to surpise some people with my turning ability. Now if I could just remember not to slow down.
As for the reason I take the 40 over the 25, couldn't tell you. I just feel more comfortable in the 40.
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I prefer the D-25 and the K-4 for what it's worth (see, I even mentioned the Jug first).
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How come every thread eventually turns into a 109 thread :confused:
For the same reason every car thread turns into a 911 thread.
Both are the preferred mode of transport for Jesus and Mohammed, too. :D
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Jugs and 109's is all i fly.Every model of P-47 is the best one.
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Seriously though, I prefer the razorback D-11 personally. :aok
I dunno. it seems to me to still have a wonderful ability to dive, and if you use/ conserve your E properly it remains a decent performer. That and it feels to me that it is the better turning variant. Of course the above is merely my perception, wich could differ with reality. :)
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Seriously though, I prefer the razorback D-11 personally. :aok
I dunno. it seems to me to still have a wonderful ability to dive, and if you use/ conserve your E properly it remains a decent performer. That and it feels to me that it is the better turning variant. Of course the above is merely my perception, wich could differ with reality. :)
i love it too
LW Tour 98 Stats for me
Model type Kills In Kills Of Killed By Died In
P-47-D11 54 0 1 41
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I prefer the D-40. I like the D-11 but I just can't get used to the lack of visibility. SA becomes more important to me in a big lumbering plane in the MA. Especially when you're turn fighting in it. The buble canopy has saved my bacon more times than I'd like to count. You can't evade if you don't know they're there. Maybe I'll give the D-11 another shot this tour and see if I can get over the canopy frames. The Razorback just looks more wicked.
LW Tour 98 Stats
Model type Kills In Kills Of Killed By Died In
P-47-D40 110 4 0 44
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If you use it as more of a BnZ type plane and stay above the fight, then the visibility is not too much of a hinderance.
:noid
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If you use it as more of a BnZ type plane and stay above the fight, then the visibility is not too much of a hinderance.
If you kick it around down in the weeds, where the enemy fills your entire view - it is not a problem either.
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It's funny that the Jug thread has been hijacked by a 109 thread, as those are my 2 favorite rides.
Widewing, thanks again for the 109 training, it taught me alot and I feel more confident in the K4 now, all because I can handle the G2 much better. I've found that my preference for the K4 over the G14 is merely asthetical. I can't stand the bumps on the cowling of the G14.
As for the Jug, I prefer the D40 over all of the rest. I know the D11 is a better turner, and that the N is faster, the D-40 just feels more comfortable for me. As far as Jabbo goes for some reason I can't hit crap in a jug dive bombing but can in a Pony. I just love the D-40 because I can dive with anything and then turn reasonably well at high speeds. That and the flaps at 400mph allow me to surpise some people with my turning ability. Now if I could just remember not to slow down.
As for the reason I take the 40 over the 25, couldn't tell you. I just feel more comfortable in the 40.
Far better jug sticks than I (see previous poster :D) see the 'nimbleness' difference between the 'N' and the D-40/25--I really dont notice it, but I DO notice things I try in the N at low speed make the D40 fall out of the sky in similar situations (this presumes N still has wep available) Bigger deal is the N can pull away from a half-dozen spit 16's/nikis in level flight. Being able to choose a fight, or NOT, is always a good thing :aok