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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jackal1 on March 28, 2008, 08:45:07 AM
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Made my day. :)
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Top this for a speeding ticket. Two California Highway Patrol Officers were conducting speeding enforcement on I-15, just north of the Marine Corps Air Station at Miramar. One of the officers was using a hand held radar device to check speeding vehicles
approaching the crest of a hill.The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300 miles per hour. The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not reset and then turned off.
Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had infact locked on to a USMC F/A-18 Hornet which was engaged in a low flying exercise near the location. Back at the CHP Headquarters the Patrol Captain fired off a complaint to the
USMC Base Commander. The reply came back in true USMC style:Thank you for your letter. We can now complete the file on this incident.You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had
detected the presence of, and subsequently locked on to, your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it, which is why it shut down. Furthermore, an Air-to-Ground missile aboard the fully armed aircraft had
also automatically locked on to your equipment location. Fortunately, the Marine Pilot flying the Hornet recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile system alert status and was
able to override the automated defense system before the missile was launched to destroy the hostile radar position. The pilot also suggests you cover your mouths when cussing at them, since the video systems on these jets are very high tech. Sergeant Johnson, the officer
holding the radar gun, should get his dentist to check his left rear molar. It appears the filling is loose. Also, the snap is broken on his holster. Thank you for your concern. Semper Fi.
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LOL, :aok now that's some good stuff
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That's new version, usually it's an RAF Harrier or Tornado and two Scottish traffic cops.
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Made my day. :)
It's a cute story, but it's bullpoop.
The typical approach into Miramar is 240-degrees or thereabouts. Runs perpendicular to I-15... and there really aren't many trees. So the geometry is all wrong. MAP (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=32.872739,-117.129793&spn=0.046064,0.080338&t=h&z=14)
Radar lock on a handheld doppler unit? The only lock on the unit is the lock on the display to keep the readout from updating.
Automated defense system? Ya know... there's a switch that says "MASTER ARM" and around populated areas you can bet your bellybutton it's set to the OFF position.
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MAP (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=32.872739,-117.129793&spn=0.046064,0.080338&t=h&z=14)
LOL at the visible oil stains especially from the 4 engine planes on the far east of the field.
BTW what are the 2 delta winged planes near the middle?
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1 is definatly an IaI kfir(to the right), we gave a few to the usmc IIRC as agressor a/c. The other odly enough looks like a Swedish draken.
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1 is definatly an IaI kfir(to the right), we gave 2-3 to the top gun school IIRC as agressor a/c. The other odly enough looks like a Swedish draken.
That would be my guess. Somewhat surprised to see F-4 Phantoms parked also.
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That would be my guess. Somewhat surprised to see F-4 Phantoms parked also.
im guessing its an somewhat old picture.
here you go on the usmc kfir:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir
Twenty-five modified Kfir-C1s were leased to the US Navy and the US Marine Corps from 1985 to 1989, to act as adversary aircraft in dissimilar air combat training (DACT). These aircraft, designated F-21A Lion, had narrow-span canard foreplanes and a single small rectangular strake on either side of the nose, which improved to a considerable degree the aircraft's manoeuvrability, as well as its handling at low speeds.
The 12 F-21 aircraft leased to the US Navy, painted in a three-tone blue-gray "ghost" scheme, were operated by VF-43, based at NAS Oceana. In 1988 they were returned and replaced by the F-16N. The 13 aircraft leased to the United States Marine Corps were operated by VMFT-401 at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma. In addition to the blue-gray painted aircraft, the USMC also had some F-21s painted in Israeli colors and desert "flogger" schemes. These aircraft were replaced by F-5Es when the F-21s were returned in 1989.
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im guessing its an somewhat old picture.
I'm certain it is, but I doubt it's much older than 1997 or so. The Marines started moving in in 1994 and by the look of the aircraft this is definitely MCAS. Anything older than 1994 or so and you would be looking for Hornets in a lot full of Tomcats.
I was there until 1990 and I don't recall RWY 28 being there at that time.
It's also been awhile, but one of the earlier google maps of Miramar had an F/18 landing on RWY 06.
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The other thing is that since there is only one present would it be possible one aircraft was kept for special training purposes?
I can see them using both the kfir and the Draken to play out certain scenarios, to test the recognition abilities of the pilots.
I wonder how many would engage the draken in an intervention scenario where the kfir was playing aggressor against it?
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Also from the wikipedia article:
...Private / outsourced aggressors
Some aggressor missions do not require dogfighting, but instead involve flying relatively simple profiles to test the target acquisition and tracking capabilities of radars, missiles, and aircraft. Some of these missions are outsourced to private companies that operate ex-military jets or small business jets in the aggressor role. Such aircraft include the L39, Alpha Jet, Hawker Hunter, Saab Draken, Kfir, A-4 Skyhawk, and various models of Lear Jets. Most pilots who fly for these companies have experience flying combat aircraft. Examples of such companies include ATAC USA, Top Aces Combat Support (TACS), Advanced Training Systems International, and Hawker Hunter Aviation.
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Lol bogus. Everyone knows the Hornet can't do 300mph below 40,000 feet.
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The typical approach into Miramar is 240-degrees or thereabouts. Runs perpendicular to I-15... and there really aren't many trees. So the geometry is all wrong.
I agree that the story is quite funny but not true. In looking at the photo you posted, while the speed of 300kts is high for this late stage of the landing pattern, the base leg for runway 24 (L/R) clearly runs parallel to the Interstate. It's tough to judge the distance between the two and may be a short approach but still possible.
Very funny story though!
:lol
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Lol bogus. Everyone knows the Hornet can't do 300mph below 40,000 feet.
:confused:
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It's a cute story, but it's bullpoop.
The typical approach into Miramar is 240-degrees or thereabouts. Runs perpendicular to I-15... and there really aren't many trees. So the geometry is all wrong. MAP (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=32.872739,-117.129793&spn=0.046064,0.080338&t=h&z=14)
Radar lock on a handheld doppler unit? The only lock on the unit is the lock on the display to keep the readout from updating.
Automated defense system? Ya know... there's a switch that says "MASTER ARM" and around populated areas you can bet your bellybutton it's set to the OFF position.
well rain on the funny parade why dont you ! :furious :furious :furious :rofl :rofl :rofl i know it's bullpoop but it is still funny if you can just imagine it for a min. or two!
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The F4s are probably target drones.
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Ok, now identify the 2 prop engine planes sitting in front of those two a/c. They are both ww2 fighters but i can't figure out what they are. I'm thinking 1 is a corsair? The other could possibly be a mustang?
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Not corsairs the wing tips are square, ild think something more like a bearcat.
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The 2 prop planes a look to be the new version of the AT6 Texan, the turbo prop version. On the white one you can see the extended double cockpit canopy and the dark or blue version has a shadow of the exhaust showing on the upper portion of the picture behind the prop.
I doubt they would keep a WW2 aircraft on the active line outside. It would be stored in a hanger.
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The F4s are probably target drones.
I'd bet not. Miramar is for operational units, not test and evaluation.
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The F4s and the other aggressor aircraft maybe part of VMFAT-101. What seem like WWII warbirds maybe there for the annual airshow depending on when the photo was taken. Doesn't look like it was taken within the last 4 years, the fire damage you see in the surrounding area was from the fires in 2003.
ack-ack
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Maverick is right, they are T6 Texan IIs. The dark might one might actually be a Canadian version the Harvard II. They're painted dark blue like the Hawks they use and the markings on the wings look like Roundels. That raises the question that some of the F18s may in fact be visitiing Canadian CF18s.
As for the F4s, I found another dicussion on another website and the conclusion was that the F4s were Luftwaffe F4Fs as seen below. They were deactivated in late 2004 which places the photo in that time frame.
The Kfir and Draken are owned by ATAC USA who provide dissimilar combat training for the services.
Thats it although I can't identify the silver UFO at left hand side of the picture. Not sure if it's a U-F1 or F2 :devil
(http://www.air-and-space.com/20031018%20Miramar/PICT0035%20F-4F-52%2072-1118%2020FS%20right%20rear%20l.jpg)