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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DrDea on March 29, 2008, 01:04:57 AM
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Remember in AW how you would get engaged with someone and they would start smoking and you gave a <S> and let them go home?Alotta the quake types playing wouldnt understand that.It wasnt about the kill.It was all about the fight in the old days.The days of Air Warrior.Now I find myself wondering if this guy in front of me is gonna give me a face shot.Should I dive down up both giving him a snapshot at me?Should I give him a shot in the face myself?
I had several if not many fights with Nomde.Him his 47 me my 109.All straight up legit fights and we more often than not both ended up smoking and calling it a fight so we could rtb.Hell he called off 2 guys from his country one time so I could rtb.That kinda honor has gone.Now its smack talking tards that belittle people nightly on 200 thumping their chests and calling everyone else dweebs."Go to the DA now your your a wuss" I see this so often it makes me wanna puke.The prevailing attitudes in AH has damaged the game.I was gone for around a year and decided to come back.Man this place has changed in a year.My % of giving a HO has tripled due to the fact thats all I get anymore.I cant wait till CT comes out.I'll live there.
I miss my old game.I wish there was a way to make it come back. :frown:
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Just squelch Skyrock. I always do :aok
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Just squelch Skyrock. I always do :aok
I think Skyrock has toned it down quite a bit from the past. There are plenty more on now who just never let up with the 200 b/s & I will squelch them or shut off 200. How ever even with that you will get the pm's if you are involved with some one who is that way inclined. At least with Skyrock he has mentioned in the past in the forums that it is a persona & Mark is not the same person as Skyrock. So I tend to take any of his banter as his roll playing where prior to his forum post I was a bit confused by him & figured there was more to him that meets the eye. Guess what there is.
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Maybe he should join his local drama club :O
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Maybe he should join his local drama club :O
That is funny you should mention drama club because that is were on my post about there is more to him that meets the eye would apply.
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Remember in AW how you would get engaged with someone and they would start smoking and you gave a <S> and let them go home?Alotta the quake types playing wouldnt understand that.It wasnt about the kill.It was all about the fight in the old days.The days of Air Warrior.Now I find myself wondering if this guy in front of me is gonna give me a face shot.Should I dive down up both giving him a snapshot at me?Should I give him a shot in the face myself?
I had several if not many fights with Nomde.Him his 47 me my 109.All straight up legit fights and we more often than not both ended up smoking and calling it a fight so we could rtb.Hell he called off 2 guys from his country one time so I could rtb.That kinda honor has gone.Now its smack talking tards that belittle people nightly on 200 thumping their chests and calling everyone else dweebs."Go to the DA now your your a wuss" I see this so often it makes me wanna puke.The prevailing attitudes in AH has damaged the game.I was gone for around a year and decided to come back.Man this place has changed in a year.My % of giving a HO has tripled due to the fact thats all I get anymore.I cant wait till CT comes out.I'll live there.
I miss my old game.I wish there was a way to make it come back. :frown:
It's still there. All depends on whether you let yourself get sucked into the other stuff or not.
All kinds of good folks who are just looking for a fun fight. :aok
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NAw its not the drama queens...Its the total lack of any type of what AW had going.The old sticks will know what Im saying.You could fight a guy for 5 min and one would get hit in the engine and ya called it a fight.You dont see that now.Its die or die.Sure has changed alot.Now everyone has to concider the %of having to throw out a face shot.Playstation and X box has killed the honor mentality.
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It's still there. All depends on whether you let yourself get sucked into the other stuff or not.
All kinds of good folks who are just looking for a fun fight. :aok
Guppy I know what your trying to say.but you just dont know if its gonna be a HO shot or not anymore. I find myself expecting it more often that not and that sucks.
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And of all things AvA has turned into a land grab.
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NAw its not the drama queens...Its the total lack of any type of what AW had going.The old sticks will know what Im saying.You could fight a guy for 5 min and one would get hit in the engine and ya called it a fight.You dont see that now.Its die or die.Sure has changed alot.Now everyone has to concider the %of having to throw out a face shot.Playstation and X box has killed the honor mentality.
Define an old stick. My AW days started in 96. The old guys then thought we were kinda useless too :)
There were mouths, and vulchers and guys who only fought when they had every advantage. There were porkers, and milk runners and everything else.
The guys who wanted to fight and understood it was a game tended to find each other anyway. I'm having as much fun now if not more then I had back then, and I had a blast. I understand what you are talking about. I think we all have our 'time' in the game where we remember something special. I just think that it's still here as long as I still want to find it.
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I agree 100%. I started in 1996 too and it's not much different now than it was then. The only diffeence is the number of players in an arena at a given time and the fact that you know fewer of them.
I hear what you're saying about the honor part but there wasn't always honor in AW either. Maybe a little more than now though.
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I'm going to do it from now on.. Screw the kill stealers and gang bangers.. Screw score and all that crap. Unless the plane is heading to pork, I'm letting it go if it's crippled.
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I treat "honour" in other way. Fighting when you are outnumbered, your plane is cripled, w/o ammo or fuel and dont blame other guys who dont let you go.
Most time i will shoot planes which i damaged before or planes w/o ammo or fuel if they attacked me before. But will let them go if somebody other cripled them, unless they attack me after that.
Its a game after all, no one lost anything if he died.
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as a reliably new guy here and reading posts like this ive taking up the notion to let live, many times in a GV ive smoked someone and he headed back to base, i could of chased him down in a M-8 but ive let them go.
i dont fly very much at all and the few times i have ive gotten one kill this tour but if i did get the upper hand and smoke someone and he ran for home id let him go verse the easy kill to up my rating, id rather have the <S> for letting them go then to think about my ratings.
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I think it is not just the game, it is the natural progression of things. In WW1 they started off very "honourable" for the most part. But over time it was replaced with the "kill them all even if they are going down". WW2 begam similarly (although, to a lesser degree and it depended on who was fighting who), but over time if was just a brutal as any grudge match.
That said, I still have fights like that. Furball about a week or so ago was killing us all in his Hurri. I was coming back into the fight and he was landing. He called out over 200 he was out of ammo, so I let him go. Later that day I got all beat to heck and obvious I was no threat so the con (still don't know who he was), peeled off and let me go.
Some guys talk smack on 200 and now I laugh at them. Used to get all worked up, but what is the point. If I met anyone in person it is not like this game means that much. And usually, unless I give it back and escalate things it goes away quickly. Internet and MMO game tough guys really don't impress me at all. Usually, they are just blowing off steam so I let it go.
And, if someone doesn't let me go home when I am obviously finished, well, that is the name of the game. Not a quakefest if the idea is to shoot the other guy down and that is what they do. Just means I was the bug that time and they were the windshield.
To me it makes it more special that the "honor" thing doesn't happen all the time. Makes me appreciate it more when it does.
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if i would up in a plane after a guy and see he was in worse shape then me i would ride alongside and escorte him out of the area and give hime a tip of the wing in <S> be an easy kill but why, letting him go would give me a good feeling and probly a good friend to fight later on in some 1 on 1 battles. like i do with kilz and doc72 in some good GV battles, know that there there makes for some good fighting. after all were all friends off the battle field right.
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That is funny you should mention drama club because that is were on my post about there is more to him that meets the eye would apply.
it is true lyric, mark is a good man.
the problem comes in here though, all the noobs who see 'skyrock' think it is a good way to behave. they become 'skyrock' and it is not a persona. the example set is what matters, not if you are a normal person in real life. It is not Mark's fault that impressionable noobs follow him with less class, but they still do none the less....because they follow the example of one of the best flyers in the game and do not know how to turn it off when they meet a decent person. PLUS they do not have the skill mark has to back it up with..
DrDea, come fight some of us in the DA, the old honour is still very much alive you just have to look further than ch200.
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If you ever go to the DA without a grudge, SkyRock can be one of the best people you'll ever deal with.
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Ive seen SkyRock on Bish side in the last few days, heard him in voice on vox and he seems to be a really frendly guy tho. read him on 200 and he seems to be an arse but i think hies just taunting people and it gets out of hand or such, i dont know if im sticking up for him or what here but id like to think hies a nice guy hint hint nudge nudge to skyrock:-)
he seems to be a really nice guy maby just alot of taunting to the otheres on 200
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What is this "persona" crap? You're an A%% or not an A%%. This is not Dungeons and Dragons, there is no persona. Play as if you were playing your mom, with respect and able to keep your head up and smile (at shooting her down in good fun). I salute all who want to fly as described above as the good old days.
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what? dont even respond unles youve been here for 6 months or understand what your saying there, speak english man
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Ya know what, a few of these posts are right on.
I really, really suck nowadays. In the past few years I had my peaks and slumps. On good nights I'd be shelling out 'good fight' every so often when I smiled at a good fight that I lost or when I knew the other player messed up on that small quirk I was trying to avoid. When I lost I knew I had something to improve on. Eventually I wouldn't lose and I beat that into my head that this was the way to fly. If I lost, it was my fault, and the more it happened, the more angry I'd be at myself. Losing is my fault - and when that happens it's a game against yourself, and that ain't fun all the time.
Fast forward a few years with large breaks in between with rust increasing at an exponential rate, I found it very tough to get back to where I felt comfortable.
Without the time to dedicate like I did in the past, I'm usually just pissed at myself every time I lose. I've played the game, I know how to win and lose, but when I don't execute, I blame myself... hblair said (a long time ago and he was one of the unstoppable aces of the past) that when that happened, it was time for a break. It made sense. He burned himself out (hopefully Commander Rialbh can muster something...!). Well burning out isn't true nature of the game. When someone doesn't screw up in a fight and survives long enough to get the kill, they know it... and that is the only congrats they should expect, the "whew", feeling, the "I'm not good, but I didn't F-up!" But the something extra that comes from a good fight really makes games like this special - they should see the 'hey, good fight' from their opponent even when the other guy lost - that is a great feeling, regardless of who you are. That, to me, is what this game is all about.
I will also just fly for the hell of it... because I enjoy it. So yes, I'll let you know if ya did good more often than I do now. And if you see me pissed, slap me, cause I shouldn't be playing if I reach that stage again.
Fly, lose, learn, win. Then have fun. :)
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and there it is summed up in one word in a game like this: (comfortable)
either flying or GVing we all do this and make those little mistakes that end are sorty in the tower, those little mistakes that piss us off, so what do you do about it? learn? dont get comfortable? think your the best and cant make a mistake? as with the army we dont underestamate the enmy in any way and alow for any little mistakes in a flight. dont run into an enmy tank HO 25 feet and expect to kill on the first shot may or may not work out, such as life.
cant say much more then that but expect the unexpected to happen to really piss on off:-) happy hunting guys
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Define an old stick. My AW days started in 96. The old guys then thought we were kinda useless too :)
There were mouths, and vulchers and guys who only fought when they had every advantage. There were porkers, and milk runners and everything else.
The guys who wanted to fight and understood it was a game tended to find each other anyway. I'm having as much fun now if not more then I had back then, and I had a blast. I understand what you are talking about. I think we all have our 'time' in the game where we remember something special. I just think that it's still here as long as I still want to find it.
First ... I coulda swore you predated me by a fair margin, Tiff. Second ... why are we sharing a brain/outlook/underwear?
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well as underwear they need to be washed out and cleansed. :aok
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I treat "honour" in other way. Fighting when you are outnumbered, your plane is cripled, w/o ammo or fuel and dont blame other guys who dont let you go.
Now ... if you tell me you started back in `96 in AW, I'm really gonna start freaking out here, man. It's just too wierd. AWII/III class of ninety-six ... pile-it clones. I like us. ;) :D
Who'm I kidding? I'd like to think I followed in the footsteps of others (the way I perceive ... Corky ... doing now):
"I am sure that sending messages back and forth can really be fun. One hand whipping the stick to and fro a roll here and immelman there while with the left hand one sends messages of encouragement, friendship or even invitations to a duel of death. I will learn this. Someday I too will wait high above some DWEEB I will radio Hi Dweeb, Having Fun!!! When he reaches out with that left hand I will see his aircraft begin to wobble. Then, I WILL COME DIVING DOWN!! hehehehehehe" -Scav(enger) aka Terry Naughton
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THAT is a big difference nowadays - the easy vox. The days of speed typing are gone... can you imagine sending a check six without a single button tap? It actually happened! And we were GOOD at it! :) Imagine how it was with the enema that just shot you down, you may actually receive a personal touch to the last fight.
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well looky there, you 2 seem like the respectfull people anyone like to meet and <S> in a good fight, :aok probly not and youd shoot me off the rearming pad but its a good start here non the less :-)
im probly taunting you guys into good behaver my fault :-)
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I'd be a liar if I claimed the dark side never took me over. But since I've never lied in my life .... :devil
:salute
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ya right arlo the good guy thing going on there? :t
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im shure you let an easy kill just slip on buy :D
say if i was in a wounded spit 16 and running for home, no budy would pass up the chance for an easy kill like that then to let him go.
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I've never once followed up a vulch or ho (whether recipiant or deliverer) with an invitation over open channel to have sex. :angel:
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if you say you alwase try to be the good guy, then is give you a big <S> for your efferts and ill alwase regard you as a true player in this game with the higest respest
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Now ... if you tell me you started back in `96 in AW, I'm really gonna start freaking out here, man. It's just too wierd. AWII/III class of ninety-six ... pile-it clones. I like us. ;) :D
Hi Arlo, glad to see you again.
I dont sure I undertood what you said there, I dont speak english, you know :D
btw, I never played AW - hadnt Internet that time yet. I started in WB, somewhere in 2000 or little later.
can you imagine sending a check six without a single button tap? It actually happened!
Nooo, it didnt :rofl You need to press voice button first :D
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If you ever go to the DA without a grudge, SkyRock can be one of the best people you'll ever deal with.
Agreed.
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I am proud to say that:
- I have never turned on channel 200
- I have no clue what channel 200 is
- I have no intention of doing either of the above
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Well, for me, they usually end up going home because, when I get 1 50cal ping they stick stur to hell and run as fast as possible...
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Personally I fight to win (and almost invariably fail... :o)
War isn't fair :noid :noid
<S>
Yossarian
P.S. I know this is a game with a load of pixels, not a real war.
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See Rules #4, #5
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Did chrish go to bed or work or something?
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Later that day I got all beat to heck and obvious I was no threat so the con (still don't know who he was), peeled off and let me go.
If the fella put up an honorable fight, I will let him go. I only "kill" the bnz guys who wasted 15min of my time "saving" their e, or the HO tards, or the vulchers. Those die, and die fast! :aok
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If you ever go to the DA without a grudge, SkyRock can be one of the best people you'll ever deal with.
SkyRock is one of the nicest and best guys in the game... Just gotta get to know him
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Ive seen SkyRock on Bish side in the last few days, heard him in voice on vox and he seems to be a really frendly guy tho. read him on 200 and he seems to be an arse but i think hies just taunting people and it gets out of hand or such, i dont know if im sticking up for him or what here but id like to think hies a nice guy hint hint nudge nudge to skyrock:-)
he seems to be a really nice guy maby just alot of taunting to the otheres on 200
Believe it or not, people generally get what they deserve with me, generally. I am nice to people until they start treating me disrespectful, then I simply let them know how I feel. I give check 6's, help people out when they ask, and do what I can to be a team player in my proximity, but I am there to fight!
People will always point out the loudest dog first even if he's not doing the most damage, as is the case for 200 behavior. Just for chits and giggles, start SS'ing everything you find offensive on 200 even if you would never retort or .report it. You will find that my "words" are rather "harmless" compared to what is typed there. the three words I use most often are, "cherrytwit", "HOtard", and "run coward". Now some would pull the "hollier than thou" blanket over your head and want to burn me at the steak, but go back to your SS's and see how those compare to what is routinely spewed on 200. "sexual preference", "beastiality", "cultural integrity", and "family insults" are flung there many more times than I ever even type on 200.
Also, (and I'm bragging here) I have built up a horde of "anti-rocks" over the years that I "own" and they regularly like to gang in on old, friendly, peaceful, nice SkyRock! :D
:salute
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I am proud to say that:
- I have never turned on channel 200
- I have no clue what channel 200 is
- I have no intention of doing either of the above
Now those are the rantings of one smart man! <S>
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
PS.. I believe that Ch200 was intended to be a medium where players could exchange salutations and verbage of respect for their opponents. How sad that it quickly degraded into a mindless slugfest years ago. :eek:
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I sometimes think we view "the good old days" through rose tinted glasses, as in real life when we remember the past we normally remember the good times not the bad.
Back in AW we had our fair share of runners and I'm sure if the game would have made the HO possible/easier we would have had plenty of those to go with it.
If I remember correctly "the good old days" my grandfather talked of were full of women passing away during child birth and disseases that are now cureable being killers.
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He is talking about people like you MajWoody, ganger twits who could care less about the honor of the fight. You flew out of your way the other night to follow the 2 cons on my 6 as I tried to drag for a 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2, but instead got ganged by 3, when all 3 of you knew there was only one "me" there to kill.
So one might ask, why would 3 players follow one if only one of the 3 players is going to actually get the kill. Do you like scoreworing your assists????? :rolleyes:
There were only two you lieing twit, & the other one was my squady. You always twist things around to try & make yourself look like the victim. You are a liar and a REAL jerk. You know what I'm talking about Mr Seedy Weed. I'll find the post & link it here.
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I sometimes think we view "the good old days" through rose tinted glasses, as in real life when we remember the past we normally remember the good times not the bad.
Back in AW we had our fair share of runners and I'm sure if the game would have made the HO possible/easier we would have had plenty of those to go with it.
If I remember correctly "the good old days" my grandfather talked of were full of women passing away during child birth and disseases that are now cureable being killers.
These are the good old days of the future ;)
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He DrDrea,
I hear ya bro. I'm an old timer from AW. I cut my teeth with that way back in the early 90's. Even though that was a bit different mechanically I agree with you assessment. Honor seems much harder to find here. Although as some have pointed out it does exist. I learned in AW about cross country smak so I have never tuned 200.
There is a new generation here now and they dont see the world the same as we do. They have a whole new perspective on it IMO. I see it in my children and I dont like it. Cant eradicate it because too much influence from their peers via "Techno Gizzmo's" you cant control.
I think it might be a case of we have been doing this much longer than most and in some cases longer then some players have been alive. So our perspective sees much farther back down the road then most. I recently responded to a new player with the "Mo Nana's" that was written long ago. I posted it because after reading if for the first time in about 5 years I found it just as realivent today in AHII as it was in AW when it was written.
There are many in here that understand the "Honor" we are talking about. I have encountered a few of them. However it does "seem" that there is less of it present. I think it is because we are looking back down a long road of memory when we look at AHII. So I think this skewes our view.
As you I typically dont HO but I find when I have 3+ bandits on my six and another rolls over and HO's I tend to get pretty ticked and wonder "Why am I being so Gallant? These Monkies dont know what is going on".
So I do think Honor is here, I just think it is much harder for us to see it.
Later,
KayBay :cool:
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I guess I'd qualify as an "old stick", given that I was flying AH since Beta up to late AH1 releases.
From my limited point of view, if I hit a plane and I get it disabled, I'm coming back to finish it no matter what, no matter how good the fight was. First because I want the kill, second because if I don't finish him then chances are that someone else will.
As a matter of honor, for me everything goes unless it's a blatant steal or chute killing. Destroying a flying plane no matter how damaged it is, is what the game is about. Good fights won (or lost) deserve a <S>, not an indult.
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You can never go home again.... :O
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PS.. I believe that Ch200 was intended to be a medium where players could exchange salutations and verbage of respect for their opponents. How sad that it quickly degraded into a mindless slugfest years ago. :eek:
Degraded? :confused: It has always been this way...even back when it was Channel 1. Much like this forum, you have good posts, bad posts and posts waiting to be Skuzzinated. Channel 200 is just too many egos set loose on the ether of AH2. :D
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I started AW in 96 as well in RR then Mute pulled me into FR about a year later or so where I stayed until the end. At least in FR where the numbers were lower you knew darn near everyone. And you knew tommorrow you would see them again. So at least for me the fights were temepered with that respect as you would with your next door neighbor and the block baseball games. No matter how much you want to win the next morning as your both leaving for work you nod and say good morning. Here the shear numbers and anonymity of it all lets people hide behind what they think they need to be to survive.
Enjoy this moment so it can eventually be part of the good ol'e days.
My 2 cents
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NAw its not the drama queens...Its the total lack of any type of what AW had going.The old sticks will know what Im saying.You could fight a guy for 5 min and one would get hit in the engine and ya called it a fight.You dont see that now.Its die or die.Sure has changed alot.Now everyone has to concider the %of having to throw out a face shot.Playstation and X box has killed the honor mentality.
Take off your rose tinted glasses. Every bad thing you described about AH was just as common and prevailent in AW. To state otherwise is just denying the truth.
ack-ack
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Only been here since '04, but I'm old enough to remember those days. I just wasn't in AW.... :lol
And I think the REASON there was no AW for me tells a big part of the story. At that point in my life, I just couldn't swing the time and money commitment that AW required. I read about that game in CGW (which used to have nothing but disdain for platform systems...but I digress), and I salivated over it, but I had to settle for offline boxes like "Their Finest Hour" and it's Pacific war predecessor whose name I cannot remember.
In the days of AW, your player sample was preselected by the cost of playing. That meant kids, lower earners, and non-aviation fanatics were much less likely to be in the game at all.
If you picked a random sample of AH's true aviation buffs, higher earning (and statistically higher educated), and older players I bet the atmosphere would be a lot smaller, and a lot closer to the things you remember
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Now some would pull the "hollier than thou" blanket over your head and want to burn me at the steak, ...
Well, they might want to burn your steak... which might be almost as bad a being burnt at the stake :D
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Sure dr it's still here but when you try to let a guy run home he turns around and shoots you in the back.
:O
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Remember in AW how you would get engaged with someone and they would start smoking and you gave a <S> and let them go home?Alotta the quake types playing wouldnt understand that.It wasnt about the kill.It was all about the fight in the old days.The days of Air Warrior.Now I find myself wondering if this guy in front of me is gonna give me a face shot.Should I dive down up both giving him a snapshot at me?Should I give him a shot in the face myself?
I had several if not many fights with Nomde.Him his 47 me my 109.All straight up legit fights and we more often than not both ended up smoking and calling it a fight so we could rtb.Hell he called off 2 guys from his country one time so I could rtb.That kinda honor has gone.Now its smack talking tards that belittle people nightly on 200 thumping their chests and calling everyone else dweebs."Go to the DA now your your a wuss" I see this so often it makes me wanna puke.The prevailing attitudes in AH has damaged the game.I was gone for around a year and decided to come back.Man this place has changed in a year.My % of giving a HO has tripled due to the fact thats all I get anymore.I cant wait till CT comes out.I'll live there.
I miss my old game.I wish there was a way to make it come back. :frown:
Yes sir you are correct.
IMO the noobs and the ones who just game the game aren't going to give you that, and we had it in AW too. Here it's just way bigger, exaggerated out of purportion of what we are *used to*.
IMO, leading by example, as I've seen you do personally, is the best way, the only successful way. The second you try to force someone to act a certain way you will get a double dose of rebellion. They have to get it on their own and some are looking for guidance from a vet. The power of suggestion. None of the solutions happen with instant results. I\we have to plant the seed and water it until it matures into a real plant. Keep leading by example and the ones WILLING to get it, will get it. Just when you think no one is listening one guy is and he will pay it forward. Fight the good fight.
Some egos you will never reach, their mileage will vary.
OTOH, personally I have made some interesting observations on this in the less then 2 weeks I've been flying here. I watched at least 3 people change. These pilots who were in a small way taunting me, maybe even attempting to humiliate me (which is not hard) and talking the big game, were soon "<S>" peeps when *losing a fight*. :)
I suggest this,...
We all are here for the same reason. We all love aviation. Flight simmers are a different breed of gamer. We are willing to challenge the infinite *learning* curve to fly as well and fast as we think. We are all here as friends who have the same interest regardless of side or "points". A different side is just so you have someone to fight, the rest is immersion. I think some of these things take time for some people to realize.
No matter how many points I have it is separate from if I actually get that part of it. If I didn't have honest fun getting all those points then they all become moot, because fun is #1. "Money doesn't make the man".
I will only be as good a pilot as the best guy I go up against. Because every fight is a learning experience whether I pay attention and retain it or not. Every time I am shot down is because of me, *I* allowed myself to appear in his sights. I gave him a window of opportunity because I am the only driver in the aircraft.
A person can debate this until the world goes flat, and we've watched it a zillion times,..but it is what it is. No matter how I paint it it ends with me. Even in HO merges, the third time around I should have invented a way to avoid damage. There is at least one move that will always put me on his 6 and I use it.
With that said, it seems to be the opinion of many long time vets that "<S>" means "thanks for showing me the errors of my ways" and of course "Good fight".
For those who enjoy ruining the whole mood of an arena with your exploded ego I can only feel sorry and embarrassed for you.
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Define an old stick. My AW days started in 96. The old guys then thought we were kinda useless too :)
Yes Tiff.....and we still do. :aok
There were mouths, and vulchers and guys who only fought when they had every advantage. There were porkers, and milk runners and everything else.
The guys who wanted to fight and understood it was a game tended to find each other anyway. I'm having as much fun now if not more then I had back then, and I had a blast. I understand what you are talking about. I think we all have our 'time' in the game where we remember something special. I just think that it's still here as long as I still want to find it.
Well, in the real old days of AW (pre-CRIS), there was plenty of what folks around here describe as "honor". Folks like HT, Heater and Fencer know what I'm talking about. (...of course NO ONE ever cut Fence any slack :D) As the game got bigger, it got harder to find. If you really want to find it here more often than once in a blue moon, the arenas need to get smaller still.
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"If you really want to find it here more often than once in a blue moon, the arenas need to get smaller still"
NoBaddy,
But then you run into the other problem, the arena caps would make it even harder to fly the same arena with the same or similar bunch of guys, if you could nite after nite then you could establish some ground rules.
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Yes Tiff.....and we still do. :aok
Well, in the real old days of AW (pre-CRIS), there was plenty of what folks around here describe as "honor". Folks like HT, Heater and Fencer know what I'm talking about. (...of course NO ONE ever cut Fence any slack :D) As the game got bigger, it got harder to find. If you really want to find it here more often than once in a blue moon, the arenas need to get smaller still.
You point out one of the keys to the whole thing. It was a smaller community back then and folks knew each other. You couldn't get lost in the crowd so easy so how you acted was much more magnified. The other thing that's key is it's the vets who teach the new guys. I know that I sure paid attention to how the old guys acted when I was new. I've tried to do the same in how I come across in the game.
I can still choose to let a deadstick or badly damaged plane go and often do, in particular if it's been a good fight. I can still ask before I enter someone elses fight. If I play the game the way I think is respectful and for lack of a better word 'honorable', I can hope that those who see it might follow suit.
But all I can control is me. Demanding that others follow never works.
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Look AW is long gone...get over it...not coming back
AH is what we have...stop living in the past...ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"If you really want to find it here more often than once in a blue moon, the arenas need to get smaller still"
NoBaddy,
But then you run into the other problem, the arena caps would make it even harder to fly the same arena with the same or similar bunch of guys, if you could nite after nite then you could establish some ground rules.
Sorry dood....when I started playin AW, the arena limits were 32 at a time. So.......somehow complaining about 350 per arena really doesn't seem to have much impact. :)
Dan...
You really didn't require much educating when I met you. What you are talking about with vets who teach new guys....that is kind of what HT was hoping to instigate when he made the arena split. There are a few folks out there making an effort. Unfortunately, the majority just want to win the war and/or whine about ENY. Oh well....feces occurs. :D
Ahh, I love the new BBS that tells you if someone posts while you are typing a post. Thanks Bi-Polar...you are a credit to the community!!! :salute
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Look AW is long gone...get over it...not coming back
AH is what we have...stop living in the past...ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPPHHFFFFFFF!!!
No clue.
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PPPHHFFFFFFF!!!
No clue.
Oh let me add something to that. With out Aw and Warbirds, this game would NOT exist. period. Get over it.
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Look AW is long gone...get over it...not coming back
AH is what we have...stop living in the past...ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
woosh :noid
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Oh let me add something to that. With out Aw and Warbirds, this game would NOT exist. period. Get over it.
Let me add something....i really care
and get over it again
its gone....is it not?
ok then...play this game and shut it
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Everyone duck...flying purses!
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Everyone duck...flying purses!
i have Silats purse
and he has bricks in it :D
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A few weeks ago, I was bombing VHs in my Lancaster Formation. A LA-7 came in on me, shot down two of my drones, and crippled my bomber. I started wagging my wings and begging on Ch200 "Please LA7 over V#, don't shoot the crippled Lanc!". He was coming in for another pass, I had no ammunition in my guns, I thought I was doomed.
He veered off a few seconds later. He pulled up by my C.Pit, waggled his wings, and flew off. It was the most honorable thing I've seen in this game, and I wish others would follow his example. <S>
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SkyRock is one of the nicest and best guys in the game... Just gotta get to know him
Maybe it would help if he knew his age to better understand his situation? I'd hate to think I (48) was talking about a 14 yr old. I'd feel real bad and would treat the situation differently in opinion.
We know him by the way he presents himself on 200, and that's all. We should not HAVE to go to the DA to get to know him intimately. He projects a certain persona which he chooses and he\we has to live with it. We need not go out of our way to investigate (what I view as ) a split personality. So far that I have seen he has no concept of leading by example. He wants praise yet pummels the radio with insults and personal attacks. Every night for hours.
If I were a GA\Tech now as I were in AW (under AW rules which do not apply here), I'd mute him for arena disruption, and it would be justified easily.
We are not the one's who need to look, he needs to look within himself if he wants to be treated as anything other then the persona he presents to us. personally he's very transparent and predictable to me. I've seen it 100000000 times. He's not and will never be alone in this.
This 1-1 thing\demands in a crowded arena is pure utter nonsense, and just a reason to spew hateful temper tantrums and personal attacks,.. even against his own country men. I'll bet that draws a lot of cooperation.
He says he can own me at any time, and I never even fought him, nor him me. SO how would he even KNOW this? Of course while he only thinks I've been flying for a week, I've been doing it for 14 years. For all he knows I could spit out my window and hand him his butt. I doubt that to be true, but he doesn't KNOW either way, nor I. I just humor him because that's all the attention he deserves from me with that attitude.
So this stuff where he ( or anyone else it's not just him) just attacks people who do something to put him in a bad light is nonsense and just a reason to spew hateful attacks on people on open channel every single night that I have been here.
I have a strong feeling it has nothing to do with people doing him wrong, I think he seeks out reasons and is a master at justifying his foaming at the mouth on 200. he really wants to be respected and admired, and that's where it all comes from.
I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and I believe everyone can stand to learn something about themselves and apply it. I'm sure somewhere a long the line he IS a good person, he just seems to refuse to show it. Maybe he views it as a weakness?
The dark side has held me in it's hand a few times too, I'm not perfectly innocent. It was only when I became a GA\Tech and had to deal with the masses that I came to understand my own faults by watching them with my mouth sealed shut. When I did correct my own faults, and only then, did I become respected in the arenas. The entire game probably fainted when they made me a GA (Game Assistant), I was a bad boy and many vets here can confirm that, with vivid memories. Culero convinced Moggy, Mage. Blesk and Vet and made an example of me that it could be done. I honestly don't think I let them or the players down.
Money does not make a man. Meaning projecting yourself as THE ONE does not instantly reward you with respect, in fact it deters it. People who live by this concept,...their mileage will vary.
I'd like to see a change in him (we ARE using him as an example of many, of which I apologize for) because I believe the guy has a true passion for the sim. Passion can get the best of us all and it has and it will. I think he\they has it in him to change how we see him on his own. You will never MAKE someone change. He's VERY proud of his accomplishments and should be, but at some point he and many like him need to be humbled and present their new found skills in a way that people WANT to respect them.
Most here will also learn as some already know. I am a long winded SOB. <S>
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Let me add something....i really care
and get over it again
its gone....is it not?
ok then...play this game and shut it
LOL.
(noodles the big gun).
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Amen on that first post Animal, Amen.
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I guess the new guys are going to learn the game as they see it played.Why not?I try to help em out a little here and there. Normaly NO!! DONT hit alt F4 after some moron welcomes a guy looking for help by showing him how to bail.Just wish these guys would take time to bone up a bit before they dove into the deep end but its gotten to the crash course is downloading the game and tossing a few hot pockets in moms microwave.When people treat others with respect this game rocks.When they dont,it degrades what should be a great experience.Fargin paranoia in this game is off the scale.
I never personaly cared much for score.More than once I took a bingo ammo plane into a fight so someone more concerned with landing could get outta dodge.I make good bait :rofl Ive been tight on the trigger recently on merges cause I dont know what this guy is gonna pull.When I dont take the shot and he doesnt I just cant tell ya the relief of knowing this just might be a good fight afterall.
Animl,the more you say the more I like ya.Sorry I blew your brains out while ya pee'd on my base. :salute
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It really amazes me how many people miss the point. Is it a change in society or just the huge increase in communication systems? I believe the later I guess. But, there sure are a lot of people who missed the lessons on interpersonal communication in their social skills education. As my papi says, everyone likes a little a%%, no one likes a smart a%%.
If it was not so tragic it would be very funny, I just feel sorry that they feel the must act out in this manner. Granted, we all get upset at things, I sure know I do, but to berate anyone based on whether or not you/they shot someone down in an online game is never justified. There are a lot of "gamey" players, we deal with it, make a comment or two and move on, anything else may indicate some form of anti-social behavior or possibly deeper issues.
Hiding behind our computer screens does not give us liscense to act anymore uncivil than in-person. If you would be censured in real life, why do you think it is ok online? Because "you can"? This thread is not about the previous versions of online games, but the conduct of players in online games. I am glad to see some do care, it makes the game more enjoyable, salute to you all who do, the others, well 'nough said.
One final thought on "personas", I pretty much stated my opinion above, but if you are going to take on a persona, then should it not be more accurate to the period and setting? Would any pilot of the era acted in the manner you are now? That should be your goal in a persona. While you may intimidate 1 or 2 people, you are doing nothing of the sort with the rest. If your intent is to drive them off, well, when you have accomplished that, what then? There will be no one left to fight, berate, complain about, or anything else.
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That kinda honor has gone.Now its smack talking tards that belittle people nightly on 200 thumping their chests and calling everyone else dweebs.
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Easy solution - do not tune on channel 200. Save the annoyance and gain a free radio console.
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See Rule #2
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See Rule #4
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"If you really want to find it here more often than once in a blue moon, the arenas need to get smaller still"
Sorry dood....when I started playin AW, the arena limits were 32 at a time. So.......somehow complaining about 350 per arena really doesn't seem to have much impact. :)
NoBaddy
Not complaining at all I fly Orange, once in awhile the cap is hit, the comment was a reply to making the arenas smaller to build more community if thats what you meant, sorry my assumtion, AW FR when I was playing had its peaks but I dont think it averaged more than 50 to 75.
Based on your comment in your opinion how small do you think they should be? AW had multiple arenas and it seemed to me people had their favorite. My original comment was more towards the same group of guys gravitating to an arena on a regular basis thereby having more control as a smaller group of regulars to control the behaivor. The cap comment was made in that because this community is so much larger the cap would make it more difficult for the regulars to fly together.
BiPolar
You somewhat missed the point "AW's gone get over it" AW in this conversation is like syaing we built a 63 chevy how can we make it better in 64.
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That's 'cause you're a dork, dork.
I wonder how many here who are waxing philosophically about the "old days" even fly in the original Beta map?
I still remember when it was the ONLY map. NDIsles came and we that it was the cat's butt.
Hehe.. I remeber using the campus labs' T1 lines to download patches to play as soon as I got home. PT boats! LOL
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Everyone duck...flying purses!
:rofl :rofl
Brilliant summary of this entire thread :D
EDIT: and what is all this "honour" BS anyway? This "battlefield honour" you're all harping on about is long dead, and this is a game, so it's a bit irrelevant in this context anyway.
IMO you can only have 'honour' in how you handle yourself. For example, sticking to your promises. I try to, and am usually successful.
However, in deciding to do your best to be 'honourable', you accept the fact that the majority of people probably won't be 'honourable', that they will stab you in the back (in this case HO you), and lie (probably the equivalent of accusing someone of cheating in this game). If you expect anything more out of the average person, my advice would be to stop kidding yourself.
Whilst I'm ranting, I'll move on to this "I've-made-friends-online-even-though-I've-never-met-them-and-probably-never-will-meet-them" attitude. (If you have actually met the people in this game/forum that you think are your friends, please stop reading here - I don't mean this to apply to you.)
For all you know, your "friend" that says he/she is married could actually be a fat unmarried psychopath. You just cannot know. FYI, I'm 16, however for all you know I could be a 40-year old paedophile trying to pose as a teen.
This isn't to say they can't be a friend if you've never met them - my main point is that they can't be a friend in the usual sense of the word.
So, I think this 'honour' BS about the game is rather ridiculous. Personally, in Aces High, if I see a friendly player fighting someone, I may go over to the fight, and stay above it, and ask if the person needs help. I won't join in to that particular fight unless they ask for help, or it becomes clear that the person on my team is losing.
However, aside from that, if you're an enemy, I'll do my best to blow you out of the sky in any way necessary. Since this is a computer game, with very little/no impact on real life, I will assume that all enemies will show me no honour/mercy, and therefore I work from there, with very few exceptions.
*runs to a Spitfire XVI hidden behind a recently constructed brick wall, revs up the engine and takes off to escape barrage of incoming flames*
Yossarian
EDIT #2: I'd like to say that I do respect certain people who consistently make constructive posts, and are usually/always considerate in the game and on the BBS.
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The cap comment was made in that because this community is so much larger the cap would make it more difficult for the regulars to fly together.
At it's peak on AOL there were well over 100,000 players in the database, and between 1,100 and 1,300 players on during a given night. In AW though, for most of it's span the arena's were more unique. You did not have the choice of an arena with the full plane set, so one had to pick the type of arena with the planeset they liked the most, which resulted in each respective arena having it's own sub community.
By the way, last week I was run down by a faster plane, and ended up fighting and winning a 3 vs 1. As I finished off the 3rd, another enemy had found me on dar and headed my way. When they caught me, I set up a break away reversal, and typed "low fuel :(" while extending. The opponent, who had tangled with me several times the previous week PM'd me and let me try to RTB saying "you owe me some films :)". Imagine that? In AH :)
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On the smack talk side discussion...I've always been critical when I've seen examples of 'over the top', but it has nothing to do with 'class' or even disliking someone. Open channel is a reality show that most watch. Putting on a bad example on open channel just invites newer players to act the same way.
If you don't believe me, just look at the recent examples of individuals that are barely capible of shooting down an AFK plane, talking like they know what AH is all about just because they can capture fields with overwhelming forces.
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NoBaddy
Not complaining at all I fly Orange, once in awhile the cap is hit, the comment was a reply to making the arenas smaller to build more community if thats what you meant, sorry my assumtion, AW FR when I was playing had its peaks but I dont think it averaged more than 50 to 75.
Based on your comment in your opinion how small do you think they should be? AW had multiple arenas and it seemed to me people had their favorite. My original comment was more towards the same group of guys gravitating to an arena on a regular basis thereby having more control as a smaller group of regulars to control the behaivor. The cap comment was made in that because this community is so much larger the cap would make it more difficult for the regulars to fly together.
IMO, there really is no going back.
I do like the point that Murdr brings up. The nice thing about the multiple arenas on AOHell was the fact that there was something unique about each. Relaxed/Full...Pac/Euro. Who knows...AH might benefit from such a change.
Of course, there is one other option that could be very beneficial to the "community" of the arena....raise the damned price. It would keep the riff raff out. :devil
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The banter on 200 doesn't bug me much.. I give a lil hell on there myself, but it's all in fun. Nothing like trash talking the other guy, specially if he's a dweeb.
On the other hand, actual fights in this game leave a lot to be desired. You can almost never get a good 1 on 1 with out a Niki ho tard, a spit dweeb or a thinks he's the god of ACM because his A6M will out turn anything, zeek retard coming in and picking you. You basically have 2 choices in this game and neither of them are that good assuming you want to see some action.
1) you can head into the furball, and either gang or be ganged. No real ACM skill needed, just wep on and look for easy pickings.. repeat until someone picks you or you run out of ammo.
2) go to the enemy base and sit just above their heads and pick them as they climb up.
You dam sure can't go find a good 1 on 1 at co alt without having 20 other cons from either his team or yours jumping in for the easy kill. If you do get lucky and there are no others to jump in, 9 times out of 10 your opponent will dive to the deck and run like a school girl soon as he loses an advantage.
The simple truth is, there really isn't much respect for the fight anymore..
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By the way, last week I was run down by a faster plane, and ended up fighting and winning a 3 vs 1. As I finished off the 3rd, another enemy had found me on dar and headed my way. When they caught me, I set up a break away reversal, and typed "low fuel :(" while extending. The opponent, who had tangled with me several times the previous week PM'd me and let me try to RTB saying "you owe me some films :)". Imagine that? In AH :)
Had a similar situation last night in an La-5FN. I had to fight my way out of 7 on 2, which quickly became a 6 on 1 when a Knit and Rook collided. I got four of them, but let a damaged P-51 limp home (I had an oil leak anyway and was low on gas and ammo). Number 6 was dispatched by another Rook who saw the fight and came to my assistance. I suppose that I wasn't being generous as much as thinking tactically. Another mob was nearby and I needed to get a new fighter quickly. :lol
My regards,
Widewing
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blah blah...dude you really wasted alot of time writing this junk...i read no more than 10 words...
I have to admit, of all the people I've met so far, you and SkyRock impress me the least. Dweebles. No Clue, and I have this feeling you're never going to get one. You just can't fix stupid.
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Drdea all the good is still here just not as prominent, a few weeks back batfinkv and i were in the final 2 of a koth round, Bat had no alt nor e and was appearantly low on fuel, rather than bieng an idiot, i killed me e and alt and we duked it out on the deck until i died. Several times i have had an awsome fight in the ma that will last for 10+mins constantly changing positions, the moment i see my opponent crippled or "out" of the fight i always <S> and let em go. I even remember someone(havent thhe vaugest clue who) escorting me to my base after an outstanding fight. Just gotta keep your eyes open.
Cheers,
freez
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FYI, I'm 16, however for all you know I could be a 40-year old paedophile trying to pose as a teen.
You looks too clever for 16 :huh I would rather believe you are 40 year old pado... peada... argh, nevermind.
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Remember in AW how you would get engaged with someone and they would start smoking and you gave a <S> and let them go home?Alotta the quake types playing wouldnt understand that.It wasnt about the kill.It was all about the fight in the old days.The days of Air Warrior.Now I find myself wondering if this guy in front of me is gonna give me a face shot.Should I dive down up both giving him a snapshot at me?Should I give him a shot in the face myself?
I had several if not many fights with Nomde.Him his 47 me my 109.All straight up legit fights and we more often than not both ended up smoking and calling it a fight so we could rtb.Hell he called off 2 guys from his country one time so I could rtb.That kinda honor has gone.Now its smack talking tards that belittle people nightly on 200 thumping their chests and calling everyone else dweebs."Go to the DA now your your a wuss" I see this so often it makes me wanna puke.The prevailing attitudes in AH has damaged the game.I was gone for around a year and decided to come back.Man this place has changed in a year.My % of giving a HO has tripled due to the fact thats all I get anymore.I cant wait till CT comes out.I'll live there.
I miss my old game.I wish there was a way to make it come back. :frown:
I wasnt around for the "goodl ole days" but I knida know the feeling...
I was RTB with half a wing, and a oil leak. countless other damage... on the deck in a A8..with 2 kills to land, fighting VERY hard only really having the torque of the engine and rudder to steer with..
traveled almost an entire sector this way..., base within sight... I notice a friendly batteling it out with a spit9 just at the limits of icon range.. about 4 k alt.
sure enough, the spit spots me, dives away from the friendly (who chases) and comes blazing in and picks me off...
I think (or would like to think) the firendly got him after, as he was gaining on him..
Im not big on imposing MY personal ethics on anyone.. but I cant help but say its pretty piss poor to do something like that..
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You looks too clever for 16 :huh I would rather believe you are 40 year old pado... peada... argh, nevermind.
Does that mean I should become a squeeker? :D
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I haven't even started flying yet, just decided I missed AW from back in the day and signed up for the trial. I have similar memories of fair fights, challenging specific people, etc. I hope I can run into some AW folks from 95-98 kinda area, maybe we'll remember each other. If anyone from that era with an intact memory remembers Velcro or Nobody (my two names, I never was decisive), say Hi. I was good enough most knew me, but that was a long time ago. I spent my first three months on AW gunning in bombers cause I couldn't fly a lick. Then, with a lot of flight sim exp. I eased my way into a spitfire and voila! I wish I could remember some names, but I was in a haze back then. I remeber a P-38 pilot named Vet32 that was dominant, and a couple 109 pilots (AcGsr) and my trusty wingman, or was I his? Rempf. Anyway, waxing remnicent, but as soon as I decide if I want to try it on my laptop...ugh...I'll be up there making a fool of myself...for a while...then look out! Should i assume you can ride shotgun in bombers in AH2? Cause I think thats a good place to start.
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This is a topic that really gets some folks back hair up.
I know that I percieve a shift (for the worse) in gameplay over the years. Does that mean the shift really happened? Or is it more likely that over the years I became so good at what I enjoyed doing (which is fighting other planes) that very few people could pose enough of a challenge to keep it interesting for me? I think it was the latter. I also think that the much larger population didn't help. I just got bored, and frustrated. Even now, I find it difficult to find a truly enjoyable 1v1, but I'm not really good enough yet to take a subpar plane and win a 2 or 3 on 1. So I still get frustrated when I play the game, but I have to remind myself that other people aren't playing the game for my enjoyment, they are playing for *their* enjoyment.
Even in the DA, where I spend most of my time currently... I see a lot of stuff that half amuses and half disgusts me. There is no score in the DA... it *truly* does not matter. The only thing that matters is what you think matters. For me, it is fighting. For some others it is just getting as many kills as they can. Others, I think, crave attention. I guess I have a bit of an extreme view on "respect" and how you show it to other players. Generally speaking, I show respect by not piling in on a fight. That is pretty much the extent of it. If I crippled you, and I can finish you off, odds are good I will. If someone else crippled you and you killed them... I'll probably let you go. If you are already fighting 3v1, I'm not going to come in and cherrypick you, then <S> like it was some sort of good fight. To me, thats a mockery of the whole thing.
Skyrock comes from the same school of thought I do. When someone acts in a manner you disapprove of, you let them know. When they act in a manner you approve of, you let them know. The main difference between us is I have come to the realization that not too many people actually give a toejam what other people think of them, particularly not in the environment of the MAs (giant, faceless populations make for crappy peer pressure). I know for me it was the disapproval of Hblair that got me on the road to learning how to actually fight, as opposed to learning how to kill people once I had every possible advantage, and running like a scalded cat otherwise. For Skyrock I believe it was NathBDP. Nowadays, I really think it is a lost cause, so I don't bother. I try to return any <S> I get, even if the guy who sent it just cherrypicked me out of a 5 on 1.... because I know he truly doesn't care that it was a weak way to get a kill.
The biggest casualty on 'my side' is any genuine respect for other players. The thing that sucks the most about swapping between the different sides (or even the AvA) is that you come to realize that everyone really is almost identical. All three sides gang, all three sides horde undefended bases, all three sides spawncamp and vulch. So I've really lost any desire to interact with anyone outside my squad (or, oddly enough, people I 'know' from the BBS) other than in a perfunctory manner simply because I know they will act in a manner that I will disapprove of at some point.
Anyway, there is the end of my huge long post on the matter.
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You dont even need to go back to AW or WB to describe the "good old days". When I came to the AH beta in sept of 1999 it had a relatively small player base with literally a 100% experienced player base. EVERYONE came from AW or WB any many went clear back to AW on Genie. There wasnt a weak tit in the bunch. Average peak load for the server was probably 100 or so...
60% of your fights were one on one or 1 on 2, 2 on 1 with no one really violating the "4th man in rule" but orbiting waiting for another guy to show up or someone to die. If a guy was successful in beating the "2" in the 1 on 2 but damaged or bingo he got a clean ditch and reupped. Nobody hoarded and nobody vulched....everybody fought and what mattered was how you handled a relatively "even" fight. "Who" you were was based on how you conducted yourself and how you were precieved was your real "score"
A different time, a different place and by and large a different mindset...end of story.
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Maybe it would help if he knew his age to better understand his situation? I'd hate to think I (48) was talking about a 14 yr old. I'd feel real bad and would treat the situation differently in opinion.
We know him by the way he presents himself on 200, and that's all. We should not HAVE to go to the DA to get to know him intimately. He projects a certain persona which he chooses and he\we has to live with it. We need not go out of our way to investigate (what I view as ) a split personality. So far that I have seen he has no concept of leading by example. He wants praise yet pummels the radio with insults and personal attacks. Every night for hours.
If I were a GA\Tech now as I were in AW (under AW rules which do not apply here), I'd mute him for arena disruption, and it would be justified easily.
We are not the one's who need to look, he needs to look within himself if he wants to be treated as anything other then the persona he presents to us. personally he's very transparent and predictable to me. I've seen it 100000000 times. He's not and will never be alone in this.
This 1-1 thing\demands in a crowded arena is pure utter nonsense, and just a reason to spew hateful temper tantrums and personal attacks,.. even against his own country men. I'll bet that draws a lot of cooperation.
He says he can own me at any time, and I never even fought him, nor him me. SO how would he even KNOW this? Of course while he only thinks I've been flying for a week, I've been doing it for 14 years. For all he knows I could spit out my window and hand him his butt. I doubt that to be true, but he doesn't KNOW either way, nor I. I just humor him because that's all the attention he deserves from me with that attitude.
So this stuff where he ( or anyone else it's not just him) just attacks people who do something to put him in a bad light is nonsense and just a reason to spew hateful attacks on people on open channel every single night that I have been here.
I have a strong feeling it has nothing to do with people doing him wrong, I think he seeks out reasons and is a master at justifying his foaming at the mouth on 200. he really wants to be respected and admired, and that's where it all comes from.
I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and I believe everyone can stand to learn something about themselves and apply it. I'm sure somewhere a long the line he IS a good person, he just seems to refuse to show it. Maybe he views it as a weakness?
The dark side has held me in it's hand a few times too, I'm not perfectly innocent. It was only when I became a GA\Tech and had to deal with the masses that I came to understand my own faults by watching them with my mouth sealed shut. When I did correct my own faults, and only then, did I become respected in the arenas. The entire game probably fainted when they made me a GA (Game Assistant), I was a bad boy and many vets here can confirm that, with vivid memories. Culero convinced Moggy, Mage. Blesk and Vet and made an example of me that it could be done. I honestly don't think I let them or the players down.
Money does not make a man. Meaning projecting yourself as THE ONE does not instantly reward you with respect, in fact it deters it. People who live by this concept,...their mileage will vary.
I'd like to see a change in him (we ARE using him as an example of many, of which I apologize for) because I believe the guy has a true passion for the sim. Passion can get the best of us all and it has and it will. I think he\they has it in him to change how we see him on his own. You will never MAKE someone change. He's VERY proud of his accomplishments and should be, but at some point he and many like him need to be humbled and present their new found skills in a way that people WANT to respect them.
Most here will also learn as some already know. I am a long winded SOB. <S>
Animl, I presume, the first time I ever saw your name ingame was on 200 insulting me. Not once had I ever typed anything to you. Yet, you assume you know "why" I act a certain way. As I've stated before, my bantor is a drop in the bucket of what regularly takes place on 200.....and always has(at least for the past 5 years I've been playing). I see comments everyday about people's mother, wife, sexual preference, cultural history, and so on. So remember these things, SkyRock is a character, I am the character, I enjoy being the character, I do not fly planes in WWII, this is a game, this is a fighting game, smack talk will occur, attempting to be holier than thou gets you nowhere with me, "dweeb" is not a bad word, "twit" should not hurt one's feelings, one should not have thin skinned in this world(much less this video game), I own you, shut your trap! :aok
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Maybe it would help if he knew his age to better understand his situation? I'd hate to think I (48) was talking about a 14 yr old. I'd feel real bad and would treat the situation differently in opinion.
We know him by the way he presents himself on 200, and that's all. We should not HAVE to go to the DA to get to know him intimately. He projects a certain persona which he chooses and he\we has to live with it. We need not go out of our way to investigate (what I view as ) a split personality. So far that I have seen he has no concept of leading by example. He wants praise yet pummels the radio with insults and personal attacks. Every night for hours.
If I were a GA\Tech now as I were in AW (under AW rules which do not apply here), I'd mute him for arena disruption, and it would be justified easily.
We are not the one's who need to look, he needs to look within himself if he wants to be treated as anything other then the persona he presents to us. personally he's very transparent and predictable to me. I've seen it 100000000 times. He's not and will never be alone in this.
This 1-1 thing\demands in a crowded arena is pure utter nonsense, and just a reason to spew hateful temper tantrums and personal attacks,.. even against his own country men. I'll bet that draws a lot of cooperation.
He says he can own me at any time, and I never even fought him, nor him me. SO how would he even KNOW this? Of course while he only thinks I've been flying for a week, I've been doing it for 14 years. For all he knows I could spit out my window and hand him his butt. I doubt that to be true, but he doesn't KNOW either way, nor I. I just humor him because that's all the attention he deserves from me with that attitude.
So this stuff where he ( or anyone else it's not just him) just attacks people who do something to put him in a bad light is nonsense and just a reason to spew hateful attacks on people on open channel every single night that I have been here.
I have a strong feeling it has nothing to do with people doing him wrong, I think he seeks out reasons and is a master at justifying his foaming at the mouth on 200. he really wants to be respected and admired, and that's where it all comes from.
I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and I believe everyone can stand to learn something about themselves and apply it. I'm sure somewhere a long the line he IS a good person, he just seems to refuse to show it. Maybe he views it as a weakness?
The dark side has held me in it's hand a few times too, I'm not perfectly innocent. It was only when I became a GA\Tech and had to deal with the masses that I came to understand my own faults by watching them with my mouth sealed shut. When I did correct my own faults, and only then, did I become respected in the arenas. The entire game probably fainted when they made me a GA (Game Assistant), I was a bad boy and many vets here can confirm that, with vivid memories. Culero convinced Moggy, Mage. Blesk and Vet and made an example of me that it could be done. I honestly don't think I let them or the players down.
Money does not make a man. Meaning projecting yourself as THE ONE does not instantly reward you with respect, in fact it deters it. People who live by this concept,...their mileage will vary.
I'd like to see a change in him (we ARE using him as an example of many, of which I apologize for) because I believe the guy has a true passion for the sim. Passion can get the best of us all and it has and it will. I think he\they has it in him to change how we see him on his own. You will never MAKE someone change. He's VERY proud of his accomplishments and should be, but at some point he and many like him need to be humbled and present their new found skills in a way that people WANT to respect them.
Most here will also learn as some already know. I am a long winded SOB. <S>
I could care less if your "long winded", however you do appear to be egotistical and uninformed. As you yourself mention you've only been here a short time yet you readily make a judgement about someone who's been here for years. I'm certainly not going to unilaterally defend Marks more then occasional exuberance. What I will point out is that 99% of the time he's a classy loser (on those rare occasions) and when he's not he'll publicly acknowledge his transgressions either here or in game or both.
I dont see what benifit you bring by launching a diatrab against someone you dont know specific too issues you dont understand supported by references about your conduct in a game for all purposes long dead. Marks conduct is very much inline with the top 100+ sticks back in AW FR. The code was real and the code was policed and peer pressure played a part...and back in the day ALL that mattered in AW was how you handled your plane in a 1 on 1. you flew together but you stood alone...
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Ya .. know .. I miss em too .. it was different .. no ho-ing .. a call of bingo ammo over the main com .. a shake of the wings .. maybe we need a old people arena .. ; ) Actually, I like the new times too .. you do see it .. a call for help and a response .. a sincere one .. " although someone over the weekend asked how they .. " hook up a mike .. " and I had to bite my tongue from replying .. but in general .. I still find it fun .. I see some of the ol AW guys still flying .. I wonder if there are others too under new names ? .. deadduck, gypsiebaron, bullethead, CAF guys .. etc .. even Shane .. I cant see them just giving up .. atleast not for long .. ?
Tokenjo
Just came across this link a week or so ago .. ought to bring back some good mems ...
I wouldnt be so sure it has no useful application to combat. I followed MD and Dustys instructions to the letter. As I came through the cumulus and 52,000 there on top of the cloud layer were DD and Wolfman trying to unravel a snarl in the telephone cables connecting their aircraft.
At 70,000 I found a woman at a giant spinning wheel weaving the great net. It spun invisibly down over the airwarrior terrain. Each time she carded the fabric I could see warps arcing out from the wheel toward the nodes.
Finally at 150,000 ft a great golden light shown on the perspex of my canopy. I saw orange sunbeams dancing across the land below from the great southern sun. A fine castle appeared to sit on clouds of cotton. At the gates sat an Arc Angel and behind him all the books of Air Warrior knowledge guarded by a Roman Centurion. Rows of writings and diagrams by the aces of history. Boxes of sound files, views, hand-crafted joysticks. Stacks and stacks of 486DX66s.
I glided slowly to a stop in front of the Angel. My heart pounded as I realized I had found the source of all knowledge and rewards in Air Warrior. I climbed onto the wing and was about approach the treasure. The great angel stood and walked over to my plane. He reached out to me. In awe I extended my hand in greeting. The angel reached past my extended hand gathering my plane into the folds of his magnificent robes. With a small smile he crushed the wings and flung us over the edge of the cloud and down into the void.
As I fell from the heavens, my plane and I wrapped in our dive of death. I uttered one last question: ...................Dok, ...........Why?.....
Because, my son.......................
You...people down there..... piss... me... off.
Scav
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Dok is a level all to himself.You can see the hate in his eyes :)
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Anyone got the beginnins to AW?I gotta dig for that.But the..In the beginning...et all...I gotta dig out floppies for that.
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I could care less if your "long winded", however you do appear to be egotistical and uninformed. As you yourself mention you've only been here a short time yet you readily make a judgement about someone who's been here for years. I'm certainly not going to unilaterally defend Marks more then occasional exuberance. What I will point out is that 99% of the time he's a classy loser (on those rare occasions) and when he's not he'll publicly acknowledge his transgressions either here or in game or both.
I dont see what benifit you bring by launching a diatrab against someone you dont know specific too issues you dont understand supported by references about your conduct in a game for all purposes long dead. Marks conduct is very much inline with the top 100+ sticks back in AW FR. The code was real and the code was policed and peer pressure played a part...and back in the day ALL that mattered in AW was how you handled your plane in a 1 on 1. you flew together but you stood alone...
I don't benefit from *anything*, except at your own admittance, I don't think anyone would complain if he AND OTHERS LIKE HIM (re-read the org) would pull it back a bit.
The name was brought up way up creek, so I stuck with that example that others seemed to have the same experiences. Why do you pick my post? I explained in the post you claimed to have read that his name was basically an example and he wasn't alone, followed by an apology. Selective reading?
I'm sorry if you don't agree with my POV as a newbie's first impression (being mine) of the game\sim and the most vivid people that created that first impression. But I'm sticking to it. I called it like I experienced it. Do I stand here alone? Am I the first to say it? Is my first impression wrong? Judging by your own words it's not far off. I never once said he wasn't a good stick, I never said I was, I also said I'm sure he is a good guy....you're over defending him. So I think the point you really want to make is that I am "egotistical and uninformed" isn't it?
I may be uninformed about the game mechanics of AH, but personas in an flight sim arena and communities is nothing new to me. Has nothing at all to do with AW, FR, or RR, if nothing else basic common sense. I use my experience there as example, so what? Because they are from AW they are auto-wrong, experiences don't count? No one is applying AW rules here, merely suggesting from people who quit beating head against wall years ago.
That's my opinion, you're welcome to your own. What do *you* think a newbie sees?
But ironic you draw that association of FR,..because if I recall, some FR folks were referred to as "Elitist" because they openly looked down on ALL RR pilots and were proud of it. And these very people created hard feelings that caused a bridge between FR and RR that was never ever over come in the game, not even in the last days. Once that was done there was just no hope yas scared them away making them squeak toys and because of a hard learning curve to them. IMO those masters of humiliating anyone out of the the FR clich played the cards wrong, Noobs had another place to go get away from it, RR. And I followed because that's where the fun went. Why go FR and learn a new curve and be humiliated by self proclaimed "the ones" when and then BW misfits when you can do circus acrobats and still live RR? Should have never let them get used to RR, sometimes stupid mouths cause big problems. Which part of FR do you think it fits into? The things I said here is EXACTLY what the good hearted FR vets told me when I first started in FR. Me thinks you were maybe one of them, or were you one of those being an elitist?
Lets stay real here. Some of the most dignified vets flew in FR, 10-12 years before me they were my idols and some fly here too, so did some Elitist who caused much damage. You want some examples of peep types who chased peeps away from FR with their elitist attitudes? I know you know I can? What were the results of all that, good?
>egotistical and uninformed
Since you missed things in my post I suggest you missed on this too.
I do understand the issues because I was a ch 200 target of his 2-3 times in one week for no reason at all. I've never even seen his Icon in the sky, I try to humor him from leaping off the cliff and he gets whacked out on himself. I suggest you are uninformed on my experiences in AH with this exact person.
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I don't benefit from *anything*, except at your own admittance, I don't think anyone would complain if he AND OTHERS LIKE HIM (re-read the org) would pull it back a bit.
The name was brought up way up creek, so I stuck with that example that others seemed to have the same experiences. Why do you pick my post? I explained in the post you claimed to have read that his name was basically an example and he wasn't alone, followed by an apology. Selective reading?
I'm sorry if you don't agree with my POV as a newbie's first impression (being mine) of the game\sim and the most vivid people that created that first impression. But I'm sticking to it. I called it like I experienced it. Do I stand here alone? Am I the first to say it? Is my first impression wrong? Judging by your own words it's not far off. I never once said he wasn't a good stick, I never said I was, I also said I'm sure he is a good guy....you're over defending him. So I think the point you really want to make is that I am "egotistical and uninformed" isn't it?
I may be uninformed about the game mechanics of AH, but personas in an flight sim arena and communities is nothing new to me. Has nothing at all to do with AW, FR, or RR, if nothing else basic common sense. I use my experience there as example, so what? Because they are from AW they are auto-wrong, experiences don't count? No one is applying AW rules here, merely suggesting from people who quit beating head against wall years ago.
That's my opinion, you're welcome to your own. What do *you* think a newbie sees?
But ironic you draw that association of FR,..because if I recall, some FR folks were referred to as "Elitist" because they openly looked down on ALL RR pilots and were proud of it. And these very people created hard feelings that caused a bridge between FR and RR that was never ever over come in the game, not even in the last days. Once that was done there was just no hope yas scared them away making them squeak toys and because of a hard learning curve to them. IMO those masters of humiliating anyone out of the the FR clich played the cards wrong, Noobs had another place to go get away from it, RR. And I followed because that's where the fun went. Why go FR and learn a new curve and be humiliated by self proclaimed "the ones" when and then BW misfits when you can do circus acrobats and still live RR? Should have never let them get used to RR, sometimes stupid mouths cause big problems. Which part of FR do you think it fits into? The things I said here is EXACTLY what the good hearted FR vets told me when I first started in FR. Me thinks you were maybe one of them, or were you one of those being an elitist?
Lets stay real here. Some of the most dignified vets flew in FR, 10-12 years before me they were my idols and some fly here too, so did some Elitist who caused much damage. You want some examples of peep types who chased peeps away from FR with their elitist attitudes? I know you know I can? What were the results of all that, good?
>egotistical and uninformed
Since you missed things in my post I suggest you missed on this too.
I do understand the issues because I was a ch 200 target of his 2-3 times in one week for no reason at all. I've never even seen his Icon in the sky, I try to humor him from leaping off the cliff and he gets whacked out on himself. I suggest you are uninformed on my experiences in AH with this exact person.
Animl, I presume, the first time I ever saw your name ingame was on 200 insulting me. Not once had I ever typed anything to you. Yet, you assume you know "why" I act a certain way. As I've stated before, my bantor is a drop in the bucket of what regularly takes place on 200.....and always has(at least for the past 5 years I've been playing). I see comments everyday about people's mother, wife, sexual preference, cultural history, and so on. So remember these things, SkyRock is a character, I am the character, I enjoy being the character, I do not fly planes in WWII, this is a game, this is a fighting game, smack talk will occur, attempting to be holier than thou gets you nowhere with me, "dweeb" is not a bad word, "twit" should not hurt one's feelings, one should not have thin skinned in this world(much less this video game), I own you, shut your trap! :aok
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You dont even need to go back to AW or WB to describe the "good old days". When I came to the AH beta in sept of 1999 it had a relatively small player base with literally a 100% experienced player base. EVERYONE came from AW or WB any many went clear back to AW on Genie. There wasnt a weak tit in the bunch. Average peak load for the server was probably 100 or so...
60% of your fights were one on one or 1 on 2, 2 on 1 with no one really violating the "4th man in rule" but orbiting waiting for another guy to show up or someone to die. If a guy was successful in beating the "2" in the 1 on 2 but damaged or bingo he got a clean ditch and reupped. Nobody hoarded and nobody vulched....everybody fought and what mattered was how you handled a relatively "even" fight. "Who" you were was based on how you conducted yourself and how you were precieved was your real "score"
A different time, a different place and by and large a different mindset...end of story.
I wasn't around in the AW days and in fact I've only been here a short time in the score of things. However, even myself as a newer player only a little more than a year wishes there was something better than what we have now. I like the game, but the average player realy pisses me off anymore. I dunno about the old days but it really seems there is a lack of any sort of respect for the actual fight.
I wish HTC would do away with public viewing of kill to death ratio and the score in general. It seems people put score above actually fighting and it gets old and really limits the experience to be had in this game. There is nothing I enjoy more than getting a good fight and even losing if I made a mistake or was out flown.. However having 5 cons jump you in the middle of it just kills the fun in this game.
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FR and RR were totally different games. RR was basically the minor leagues and FR was the big time. This was simply a matter of physics, not ego or anything else. Once you flew FR with some semblance of skill you never went back...FR just opened up a whole new realm of possibilities. The game play variations between RR & FR were immense as well. I cut my teeth primarily in RR#2 and had fun and learned alot and was good enough that I could easily plant myself in the top 25 more or less at will. I'd go to FR and just get spanked. 1st I'd lose because I'd stall, then I'd lose because I couldnt drop a wing when needed. Once I actually switched and began to fly FR regularly everyone was exceptionally helpful. I actually still have a T-shirt from my 1st FR squad, the 176th composite airwing.
This is a game, at its core its a contest of skill in aircombat. So guys like Skyrock, Urchin etc who have taken the time to learn that skill appreciate ther game being played to a higher level and not being dumbed down to its lowest common denominator. These are the same guys who will spend hours helping guys learn the skillset required as well.
FR grew by leaps and bounds during my time in AW. To a large degree the presence of the RR arenas's minimized the dweebery in FR. For every "bad egg" you had in FR you had a whole squad of them in RR. What RR had over FR was some phenominal squad rivalries. I 1st flew with the 371st steel Talons in RR#2, left them to go FR...they followed me over a year or so later. I left to come here in 99 when +moss and a few of the dammed clued me in to the beta at the 99 AW con...By the time the 327th got here I was doing the trainer thing here and never hooked back up with them, but many of the original RR#2 guys on all sides are here...some like LYNX under original names some not...
And no I'm not suprised that you (or anyone else) gets caught up in the 200 diatrab with Mark, especially if you try and humor him. He'll always try and get a rise out of you (to bad shane isnt around {oopsy from AW but he sucked back then})...
I'd get the Skyrock owns snaphook (current in game handle) all the time and just remind him that my wife owns me and he's just renting me...
But when I decided to dust off my game Mark was one of the 1st guys I sought out for some time in the DA, why because he'll talk to you straight up about what he's seeing and not feed you garbage. As a former trainer that type of gamesmanship is valued and priceless. Whats important here is the reality that the code is alive, well and being nurtured here once again.
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yup we used to count kills on our abacus....................... .. we had a ball (actually a bunch of them)
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I'd get the Skyrock owns snaphook (current in game handle) all the time and just remind him that my wife owns me and he's just renting me...
At least some people get it! :aok
But when I decided to dust off my game Mark was one of the 1st guys I sought out for some time in the DA, why because he'll talk to you straight up about what he's seeing and not feed you garbage. As a former trainer that type of gamesmanship is valued and priceless. Whats important here is the reality that the code is alive, well and being nurtured here once again.
Yes sir, it is! <D>
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I'm going to do it from now on.. Screw the kill stealers and gang bangers.. Screw score and all that crap. Unless the plane is heading to pork, I'm letting it go if it's crippled.
I tried going back to that once.
Then SkyRock picked me and I turned my aimbot back on. :D
The game has changed, like it or not. Why is always cause for speculation. I don't even think "squeaker" was part of the vernacular back in the $29.95 days or, heaven forbid, the pay by the hour days (not that I'd ever want to go back to that, mind you).
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The good old days weren't all that good. Been there, paid the bills, remember what it was like.
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Animl, I presume, the first time I ever saw your name ingame was on 200 insulting me. Not once had I ever typed anything to you. Yet, you assume you know "why" I act a certain way. As I've stated before, my bantor is a drop in the bucket of what regularly takes place on 200.....and always has(at least for the past 5 years I've been playing). I see comments everyday about people's mother, wife, sexual preference, cultural history, and so on. So remember these things, SkyRock is a character, I am the character, I enjoy being the character, I do not fly planes in WWII, this is a game, this is a fighting game, smack talk will occur, attempting to be holier than thou gets you nowhere with me, "dweeb" is not a bad word, "twit" should not hurt one's feelings, one should not have thin skinned in this world(much less this video game), I own you, shut your trap! :aok
Next time I will snap shot your text to me so you can't come here and say different. I have a word for people who just said what you said, I'm going to save it for the next time you say you never typed to me.
SO have you beem playing 9 or 5 years, the story isn't straight.
If you "Charactor" what we call "Persona" gets vibally pummeled don't come here whinning about it. You're not being truthful.
Take your stupid mouth and beat it, dweeble. That's what you are a to me a dweeb.
"I own you" lol
"Shut your trap" lol trust me after that command, it's my turn with *you*. That you can bank on.
Do yourself a favor, grow up.
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i'm getting the impression that skycrock is what makes the game suck these days. You guys are letting him get to ya. I bet he's lovin' every second of this. You dorks. :rofl :rofl
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This tread wasnt aimed at a person.It was aimed at the game play.Even 2 on 1 last night and knowing I was beat I never took the face shot.To the 2 51's credit neither did they.Thats what I miss seeing on a normal basis.
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"Shut your trap" lol trust me after that command, it's my turn with *you*. That you can bank on.
Thats the great thing about skyrock, he'll be there anytime you want to but some walk behind that talk. And if you beat him you'll find he's a gracious "loser" as well...he wont take a cheap shot when he's pushing a bad hand or sit and wait for you to break on a mexican standoff and drill you. While he may talk smack he doesnt fly "cheap". I think you'll find your best options are to either ignore him or hunt him down cause your not going to get inside his head. From my perspective right now your a 10 LB bass on a 6 pound line being played pretty nicely :D
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yup we used to count kills on our abacus....................... .. we had a ball (actually a bunch of them)
Abacus? No. But, I do remember the time HT decided to count kills in binary. Now THAT was some funny stuff!!!
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Next time I will snap shot your text to me so you can't come here and say different. I have a word for people who just said what you said, I'm going to save it for the next time you say you never typed to me.
I had never seen you before until I saw on text, you jump in on me while I was conversing with another player, If I am wrong about this, I apologize.
SO have you beem playing 9 or 5 years, the story isn't straight.
Please quote where I ever said I played 9 years, I have only played for 5.
If you "Charactor" what we call "Persona" gets vibally pummeled don't come here whinning about it. You're not being truthful.
vibally???? Let me ask you a question, is Animl your real name? hmm, maybe you're not being truthful or.......it's just your AH character name. :rofl
Take your stupid mouth and beat it, dweeble. That's what you are a to me a dweeb.
A simple dweeb that owns you in this game! :aok
anytime you want to get slapped, just ask me to the DA, I'll be happy to put you in your place! :rock
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i'm getting the impression that skycrock is what makes the game suck these days. You guys are letting him get to ya. I bet he's lovin' every second of this. You dorks. :rofl :rofl
:devil :D
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:rofl <<S>>
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"Shut your trap" lol trust me after that command, it's my turn with *you*. That you can bank on.
Thats the great thing about skyrock, he'll be there anytime you want to but some walk behind that talk. And if you beat him you'll find he's a gracious "loser" as well...he wont take a cheap shot when he's pushing a bad hand or sit and wait for you to break on a mexican standoff and drill you. While he may talk smack he doesnt fly "cheap". I think you'll find your best options are to either ignore him or hunt him down cause your not going to get inside his head. From my perspective right now your a 10 LB bass on a 6 pound line being played pretty nicely :D
He's trying to play me as if it were my first BBQ. His first mistake. The most he is doing is making the entire arena think he's a "elitist" moron that he pushes on everyone. And I think you protect him much like some did +Brat, Homer and others fro the wrath they deserved. And I KNOW you know what I mean, I've smelt this text before, I know this style of wording, without the shades. I know the "he's winning at playing you. He is already my squeak toy, you seemed to have missed that. :)
When he acts like he deserves respect he'll get it. Doesn't matter to me what his skill level is or the delusions of granger he sees in himself. If is is anything else but HE has to prove it to ME, not hear-say from his protection units. Proof is the only thing I accept, hear-say is drivel to me.
There will ALWAYS be someone better and worse, king of the hill is a short life span. And someone will come along and humiliate him like he does others. It's not an if it's a when. Juuuuuust sayin :) We both know this to be true, don't we?
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:devil :D
Yup he's proud to be an arena disruption, dweeby squeak toys usually are. This seems to be one of his biggest accomplishments above and beyond any skill he might have lucked upon.
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I had never seen you before until I saw on text, you jump in on me while I was conversing with another player, If I am wrong about this, I apologize.
Please quote where I ever said I played 9 years, I have only played for 5.
vibally???? Let me ask you a question, is Animl your real name? hmm, maybe you're not being truthful or.......it's just your AH character name. :rofl
A simple dweeb that owns you in this game! :aok
anytime you want to get slapped, just ask me to the DA, I'll be happy to put you in your place! :rock
You never attacked Animl? PHHHHFFFFF! Your'e a sqeak toy, nothing more. :)
Someone else said 9 years, you say 5 which is it squeaky?
I very HIGHLY doubt to will ever "own me". You may win once in a while but own me will never happen by you. That's a pipe dream of yours. <tweaks SkyRock's nose> But what eva you say darling. <G>
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You're to easy! :rofl Anytime you want to stop spewing garbage and back up your talk, just ask me to the DA. After I slap you silly, I will tell you where you should have: chopped throttle, raised left wing, rolled instead of immeled, and so on! Step up to the plate and get off your high-horse, your owner awaits you!
PS Did I mention you are 2 easy? :rofl
PS2 SkyRock<-------owns Animl!!!!!!!
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Nothing brings back the old days like two people in a purse fight.
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He's trying to play me as if it were my first BBQ. His first mistake. The most he is doing is making the entire arena think he's a "elitist" moron that he pushes on everyone. And I think you protect him much like some did +Brat, Homer and others fro the wrath they deserved. And I KNOW you know what I mean, I've smelt this text before, I know this style of wording, without the shades. I know the "he's winning at playing you. He is already my squeak toy, you seemed to have missed that. :)
When he acts like he deserves respect he'll get it. Doesn't matter to me what his skill level is or the delusions of granger he sees in himself. If is is anything else but HE has to prove it to ME, not hear-say from his protection units. Proof is the only thing I accept, hear-say is drivel to me.
There will ALWAYS be someone better and worse, king of the hill is a short life span. And someone will come along and humiliate him like he does others. It's not an if it's a when. Juuuuuust sayin :) We both know this to be true, don't we?
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1st,
Humble is my only ID ever in AW from 94 till I left to come here in 99...whatever else I am a "shade" isnt one of them. I'm also not protecting Mark in anyway. He can be an infuriating oscar and I'd love to smack him from one side of the DA to the other more often then not....cept I can't :furious :mad: :cry. The truth is he's a great guy under his "persona" and an absolute joy to cross props with...so I ignore him when I "need" to and enjoy the fights when I'm up for it.
Mark is elite, very few (less then2-3%?) sticks can hang with him on a regular basis IMO. Alot of the smack talkers do it from 15k or with 15 friendlies. When I run into Mark he's more often then not under 10K and already engaged in a 1 on 2 or 3. If I know its him I'll back off and wait for the carnage to end. More often then not skyrock will come out still flying and then he'll beat the snot out of me and go home. I'd rather lose to him (or a host of others) then pick a guy outnumbered.
Mark already has the respect of the vast majority of the "non quake" seasoned sticks who dispise the milk running, digital dirt grabbing, generally skilless level of gameplay we've been reduced to. As urchin and others have commented many of us have rebeled in our own way. Personally I've flown the A-20 as my primary ride for over 6 months to aleviate the combination of boredom, aggrevation and overwhelming dweebery rampant in the MA. Now none of this is ment as an attack on any one individual but the collective whole. While you berate a past populated with strong (and sometimes offensive) personalities and skill sets I miss it dearly. I'd rather have a 100 skyrocks then the 300+ mostly faceless members of the alliance of the month.
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+1 Above.
Animal, I know youre old salt... but dont let SR get to you. Knock the rust off and go DA him. Thats what I did when he started to bug me and he's actually an ok guy in a more personal setting. His antics on 200 are designed solely for entertainment value - often his own since he doesnt even take himself seriously.
Plus, he's not that bad of a stick... we just about went 50/50 over the course of 10 or so fights in various A/C.
<S> Both. Just get it out of your system. ;)
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Mark already has the respect of the vast majority of the "non quake" seasoned sticks who dispise the milk running, digital dirt grabbing, generally skilless level of gameplay we've been reduced to. As urchin and others have commented many of us have rebeled in our own way. Personally I've flown the A-20 as my primary ride for over 6 months to aleviate the combination of boredom, aggrevation and overwhelming dweebery rampant in the MA. Now none of this is ment as an attack on any one individual but the collective whole. While you berate a past populated with strong (and sometimes offensive) personalities and skill sets I miss it dearly. I'd rather have a 100 skyrocks then the 300+ mostly faceless members of the alliance of the month.
This is mostly how I feel as well. I really think that it is sad that I can come back after a haitus of years, and be able to handily beat the everloving toejam out of 97-98% of the player base. And what makes it worse is I AM NOT THAT GOOD. I used to be. I used to be one of the best sticks in this game (even if I gotta say it myself :)). Now? I fight any of the best sticks in the game in a DA type duel, and I get killed so fast my head spins. So I've definately gotten worse. But to be honest the incentive to improve just isn't there. The drive is not coming back. Why bother trying to get better, when I can hop in an La-7 and have a K/D of 10 to 1 in the MA? I spend waaay more time in the DA at furball lake now... and whats even more tragic is timid flying is endemic even there. THERE IS NO SCORE IN THE DA!
I'd much rather have 100 people who talk toejam, but can at least fly worth a damn, then what we have now.
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I spend waaay more time in the DA at furball lake now... and whats even more tragic is timid flying is endemic even there. THERE IS NO SCORE IN THE DA!
I used to love furball lake when there was like 8 people on in peak times, and you would lift off, level, and fly towards that one dot wondering what you would be up against this time. Now it's just a solid line extending from the bases, eventually colliding and resulting in a massive gang**** fest...and I haven't even been here that long.
donkey
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I look at it this way. I can get into a fight in less than 5 minutes. Granted, it typically won't be a 1v1 fight, but I can fly a Spit or La and fight 3 or 4 on one and at least have fun. When I am getting more 1v1 or 1v2s I can fly something a little more challenging, and still have fun.
The most important thing is I'm usually having fun - which I rarely have in any of the mishun-based arenas.
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I'd rather have a 100 skyrocks then the 300+ mostly faceless members of the alliance of the month.
Either way, it's still a lot of squelching :lol
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let me be the first to say INcredible thread we have here. Skycrock is evil and must be hoed at all costs! :rock
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Amazing how many old-timers have weighed in on this topic! I've gone with the ebbs and flows as well. I've been thinking of rejoining lately. I miss the camaraderie of the 56th FG and the Arabian Knights... I also miss the incredible furballs in the MA. I squelched 200 all the time, since I didn't care for the banter, and never engaged in any fights of words. Too much time spent on flying, no time for typing!
I never played AW, I joined AH in 2001. It seemed to me that as the years went on, the game changed, but I really think it was just my perception. I became more frustrated with the Head-Ons and with the vulching as time went on, and I didn't want to spend the time to fly from further fields. It was a catch-22! If I do rejoin, I'll be sure to have fun, and make sensible take-offs/landings, so that I don't have to deal with the ridiculous vulching. In the old days, you COULD land by calling out "landing" or "no engine..."
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Amazing how many old-timers have weighed in on this topic! I've gone with the ebbs and flows as well. I've been thinking of rejoining lately. I miss the camaraderie of the 56th FG and the Arabian Knights... I also miss the incredible furballs in the MA. I squelched 200 all the time, since I didn't care for the banter, and never engaged in any fights of words. Too much time spent on flying, no time for typing!
I never played AW, I joined AH in 2001. It seemed to me that as the years went on, the game changed, but I really think it was just my perception. I became more frustrated with the Head-Ons and with the vulching as time went on, and I didn't want to spend the time to fly from further fields. It was a catch-22! If I do rejoin, I'll be sure to have fun, and make sensible take-offs/landings, so that I don't have to deal with the ridiculous vulching. In the old days, you COULD land by calling out "landing" or "no engine..."
I've been in the game since AH1, and have seen several changes in that short period of time. And for the most part the changes have improved the game play.
The "ridiculous vulching" does still happen, but they have to take ALOT more ack out to do it now.But one shouldn't take off from a capped field anyway.
Calling out landing or no engine? :rofl I'll shoot unless you're a old squadie.
The 56th & AKs are awesome powerhouses, and if you hang with those guys you'll be ok.
The head-ons are REALLY bad now, but most can be avoided.
Lately, there has been several old sticks back in the game and I think that is great! So come on back, we'll be glad to have ya.
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and whats even more tragic is timid flying is endemic even there.
I'd much rather have 100 people who talk poop, but can at least fly worth a damn, then what we have now.
Yep.
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if you turn off in an attempt to let them go he will turn and try to kill ya. better to finish him off.
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Re: DA Furball Lake...
They've started to land kills in there, now.
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Re: DA Furball Lake...
They've started to land kills in there, now.
Me and Cbizkit was in ther last night and I noticed a large darbar south of the south base, it was a bomber raid with escorts, LMAO ROFL! We upped 163's and chewed em up! :aok
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+1 Above.
Animal, I know youre old salt... but dont let SR get to you. Knock the rust off and go DA him. Thats what I did when he started to bug me and he's actually an ok guy in a more personal setting. His antics on 200 are designed solely for entertainment value - often his own since he doesnt even take himself seriously.
Plus, he's not that bad of a stick... we just about went 50/50 over the course of 10 or so fights in various A/C.
<S> Both. Just get it out of your system. ;)
It's neither here nor there to me. I honestly could care less what they use to provoke here, I've seen the same persona 1000000 times, nothing new at all just another ID using it. Just replying to post that some take a tad too seriously. ANyone who takes me too seriously is lookin for sumthin that just ain't there.
I don't need to get anything out of my system, it's not my rep that's trashed, nor do I have anything to prove. <shrug>
Besides, I will be the first to admit on a daily basis that I'm just not up to par, especially flying with a mouse. I'm sunk straight out of the box. But the goal is to have fun. I rarely land a kill or even care about it. The last thing I will ever be is caring about my fight status or ego. I'm just here to have fun and fly with as many old friend sticks as I can find.
Frankly, I could give 3 flying _____ what he projects other then it can't be taken seriously, it's to,.. well... child like. Too each their own, what ever blows their skirt up. It just ain't for me.
If nothing else I comment on it because it does distrupt the arena, and good people do tire of it, and I think I feel more embarrassed for that type then anything. It really doesn't bother me, I got used to it a decade ago. I just comment on my own observations, and that it's an entire arena buzz-kill. <shrug> Which is sad.
The last couple nights have been really fun, people joking with the enema, <S>s left and right. No flaming tards....enjoyable.
But TY sir for the advise, it was well received and respected.
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The good old days weren't all that good. Been there, paid the bills, remember what it was like.
There's some truth to that.
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You're to easy! :rofl Anytime you want to stop spewing garbage and back up your talk, just ask me to the DA. After I slap you silly, I will tell you where you should have: chopped throttle, raised left wing, rolled instead of immeled, and so on! Step up to the plate and get off your high-horse, your owner awaits you!
PS Did I mention you are 2 easy? :rofl
PS2 SkyRock<-------owns Animl!!!!!!!
:rock
LOL not working, when you grow up and act above the age of 10 let me know. I don't need someone like you to tell me anything I already know. you won't be teaching me anything I already know. It may be your first BBQ but I've been roasting pigs for quite awhile. There's nothing new in you i haven't seen before. You resemble Ramul, Brat, and Homer. I laughed at them too,...many years ago. Trust me, there's nothiung new here but the spelling of the ID.
Here's you hook back,.... next time put a barb on it.
Have a good day squeaky,... (squeeze-squeak, squeeze-squeak)
Me bets I could keep you going like this for months.
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1st,
Humble is my only ID ever in AW from 94 till I left to come here in 99...whatever else I am a "shade" isnt one of them. I'm also not protecting Mark in anyway. He can be an infuriating oscar and I'd love to smack him from one side of the DA to the other more often then not....cept I can't :furious :mad: :cry. The truth is he's a great guy under his "persona" and an absolute joy to cross props with...so I ignore him when I "need" to and enjoy the fights when I'm up for it.
Mark is elite, very few (less then2-3%?) sticks can hang with him on a regular basis IMO. Alot of the smack talkers do it from 15k or with 15 friendlies. When I run into Mark he's more often then not under 10K and already engaged in a 1 on 2 or 3. If I know its him I'll back off and wait for the carnage to end. More often then not skyrock will come out still flying and then he'll beat the snot out of me and go home. I'd rather lose to him (or a host of others) then pick a guy outnumbered.
Mark already has the respect of the vast majority of the "non quake" seasoned sticks who dispise the milk running, digital dirt grabbing, generally skilless level of gameplay we've been reduced to. As urchin and others have commented many of us have rebeled in our own way. Personally I've flown the A-20 as my primary ride for over 6 months to aleviate the combination of boredom, aggrevation and overwhelming dweebery rampant in the MA. Now none of this is ment as an attack on any one individual but the collective whole. While you berate a past populated with strong (and sometimes offensive) personalities and skill sets I miss it dearly. I'd rather have a 100 skyrocks then the 300+ mostly faceless members of the alliance of the month.
I appreciate your briefings, and I am listening. He just hasn't impressed me any. Thanks for the heads up, but he's going to have to do a lot more then win DA fights and shoot his mouth off to impress me. But then I don't expect him to go out of his way to impress and old hat like me anyway. <shrug> <S>. Point taken.
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I look at it this way. I can get into a fight in less than 5 minutes. Granted, it typically won't be a 1v1 fight, but I can fly a Spit or La and fight 3 or 4 on one and at least have fun. When I am getting more 1v1 or 1v2s I can fly something a little more challenging, and still have fun.
The most important thing is I'm usually having fun - which I rarely have in any of the mishun-based arenas.
Personally I enjoy 2-3 fighters on me, it's the BIG challenge. When you can pull out of that no DA or 1-1 can top that.
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LOL not working, when you grow up and act above the age of 10 let me know. I don't need someone like you to tell me anything I already know. you won't be teaching me anything I already know. It may be your first BBQ but I've been roasting pigs for quite awhile. There's nothing new in you i haven't seen before. You resemble Ramul, Brat, and Homer. I laughed at them too,...many years ago. Trust me, there's nothiung new here but the spelling of the ID.
Here's you hook back,.... next time put a barb on it.
Have a good day squeaky,... (squeeze-squeak, squeeze-squeak)
Me bets I could keep you going like this for months.
I'd say you've been kept going for about 4 posts in a row! :rofl Oh, by the way, not even in your best ride, on your best day, in the best month, of your best year, could you beat me in any ride! Just face it, I own you, sorry! :aok
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You're to easy! :rofl Anytime you want to stop spewing garbage and back up your talk, just ask me to the DA. After I slap you silly, I will tell you where you should have: chopped throttle, raised left wing, rolled instead of immeled, and so on! Step up to the plate and get off your high-horse, your owner awaits you!
PS Did I mention you are 2 easy? :rofl
PS2 SkyRock<-------owns Animl!!!!!!!
:rock
I forgot to mention, you can only own me if being here is to be the very best pilot that ever existed was my goal. I'm not interested in that, been there, done that, have the 100 t-shirts. You only own me if it bothers me that you shot me down. It doesn't, it won't, therefore you can *never* own me no matter how much you try or win. You can only own me if I fail at not wanting you to own me. I really don't care, and most likely never will. I got over myself a long time ago.
~A
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Ramul, Brat, and Homer. I laughed at them too,...many years ago.
Geez, I hadn't thought about Brat in ages. COD...the Top Gunz troll just drove him up the freakin wall!!!! Whadda HOOT!!!!! :devil
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The old days are gone.....they will never come back no matter how much the older vets here want them to. (me being one). <S>'s will continue to be further and further between. Ho's will always be the first shot taken by 95 percent of the player base now. Steam rolling with numbers and hording for score will be the norm from now on. The honor of the fight....the skill by both players shown by a few kind words afterwards win or lose will die out all together soon. Pretty much has really. Name calling....belittleing others...making yourself feel good by being a jerk to others....normal gameplay.
It's not AH1....It's not even the AHII that started out pretty much like AHI finished.
Quake rules....
Good luck !!!!
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I must admit I got a good chuckle from this thread.We didn't have as much crap on the 200 type channel in AW.I believe their were more honorable characters in the FR arena.I can just hear Skyrock after being picked by the D9 master PAL.Better yet Skyrock locking horns with 9bal in F4u's.What a name calling episode that would be.With AH bringing in the younger one person shooter type,there had to be a loss of common decency.Going back to AW,a lot of squads held a tight reign on their members behavior.A lot of the stuff happening on 200 just plain wouldn't fly.Skyrock,and a lot of his wannabe's wouldn't have been allowed in my squad,our a lot of others because of their immature behavior.My old skipper <RF> would have been proud of me when I let a crippled F6 rtb.It was the right thing to do.You don't see that much anymore.
IronDog
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Remember in AW how you would get engaged with someone and they would start smoking and you gave a <S> and let them go home?Alotta the quake types playing wouldnt understand that.It wasnt about the kill.It was all about the fight in the old days.The days of Air Warrior.Now I find myself wondering if this guy in front of me is gonna give me a face shot.Should I dive down up both giving him a snapshot at me?Should I give him a shot in the face myself?
I had several if not many fights with Nomde.Him his 47 me my 109.All straight up legit fights and we more often than not both ended up smoking and calling it a fight so we could rtb.Hell he called off 2 guys from his country one time so I could rtb.That kinda honor has gone.Now its smack talking tards that belittle people nightly on 200 thumping their chests and calling everyone else dweebs."Go to the DA now your your a wuss" I see this so often it makes me wanna puke.The prevailing attitudes in AH has damaged the game.I was gone for around a year and decided to come back.Man this place has changed in a year.My % of giving a HO has tripled due to the fact thats all I get anymore.I cant wait till CT comes out.I'll live there.
I miss my old game.I wish there was a way to make it come back. :frown:
I know what you mean, I got into a bit of trouble with the squad because I took down a F4U-1c in my P-39D (wanting the super perkies), some noob started following it down and shooting at it, just out of P/Oed reaction, I yelled into the mic, "Hey you little jack arse, get the hell off of my kill you little salamander!!" Course I picked a bad time to yell it, and after getting 3 killz stolen from me, I got yelled at by like 2 squadies, the rest thought it was funny :D
P.S. I'venever had what you had happen to you. I've had like 6 kills and just pleaded to the guy on 200 to let meh go home, I got my kills, and he would just keep following me. At one point, I ended up killing him and on the runway, a 262 comes in and vulches me, it was him!! :lol
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Skyrock, wouldn't have been allowed in my squad
IronDog
:rofl You would not fit in my squad either, just saying! :aok We tend to like fighting, owning, calling out dweebs, owning, baiting nostalgic AW tards, owning, slapping the crap out of blow-hard toolshedders, teaching, enlightening, raising the bar, owning, smack talking, laughing, owning, and generally owning! You got it? :rock
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P.S. I'venever had what you had happen to you. I've had like 6 kills and just pleaded to the guy on 200 to let meh go home, I got my kills, and he would just keep following me. At one point, I ended up killing him and on the runway, a 262 comes in and vulches me, it was him!! :lol
Well then you got what you deserved for killing a guy that let you rtb... :rolleyes:
donkey
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:rolleyes:
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The old days are gone.....they will never come back no matter how much the older vets here want them to. (me being one). <S>'s will continue to be further and further between. Ho's will always be the first shot taken by 95 percent of the player base now. Steam rolling with numbers and hording for score will be the norm from now on. The honor of the fight....the skill by both players shown by a few kind words afterwards win or lose will die out all together soon. Pretty much has really. Name calling....belittleing others...making yourself feel good by being a jerk to others....normal gameplay.
It's not AH1....It's not even the AHII that started out pretty much like AHI finished.
Quake rules....
Good luck !!!!
Spot on! :aok
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Anyone from AW remember what a Dweeb Hunt is?
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Anyone from AW remember what a Dweeb Hunt is?
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Yes, and NB is still picking pieces of me outta his teeth to this day.
NUTTZ
But i learned from it.
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Anyone from AW remember what a Dweeb Hunt is?
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I suspect the 'dweeb' wouldn't mind the kills.
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Yes, and NB is still picking pieces of me outta his teeth to this day.
NUTTZ
But i learned from it.
HIYA NUTTZ!!!! Long time no see. :)
The best dweeb hunts were the ones when HT had bwanas. That was some funny stuff. :devil
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HIYA NUTTZ!!!! Long time no see. :)
The best dweeb hunts were the ones when HT had bwanas. That was some funny stuff. :devil
Been here I been hanging out in the terrain forum again:)
NUTTZ
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I've been in the game since AH1, and have seen several changes in that short period of time. And for the most part the changes have improved the game play.
The "ridiculous vulching" does still happen, but they have to take ALOT more ack out to do it now.But one shouldn't take off from a capped field anyway.
Calling out landing or no engine? :rofl I'll shoot unless you're a old squadie.
The 56th & AKs are awesome powerhouses, and if you hang with those guys you'll be ok.
The head-ons are REALLY bad now, but most can be avoided.
Lately, there has been several old sticks back in the game and I think that is great! So come on back, we'll be glad to have ya.
Ok... so I joined again! I'm now SpinDctr for in-game handle. See you all in the skies!