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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on March 29, 2008, 02:14:39 PM
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Seems someone is targeting hunted meat...........
http://nssf.org/legal/links/NDstatement.cfm
It's time to demonize hunting I guess............
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Are there any hunting bullets other than lead which would expand sufficiently to kill a deer? And would these be available in popular calibers such as .270 and .308? Would a copper bullet work in those calibers?
Les
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Are there any hunting bullets other than lead which would expand sufficiently to kill a deer? And would these be available in popular calibers such as .270 and .308? Would a copper bullet work in those calibers?
Les
You can borrow some of my silver werewolf killing bullets :D
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Normally we just back up a lil to get the Buicks bumper outta the deer before we throw it into the trunk.
Mac
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Are there any hunting bullets other than lead which would expand sufficiently to kill a deer? And would these be available in popular calibers such as .270 and .308? Would a copper bullet work in those calibers?
Les
I suppose they would but the entire point of the situation is that people have been eating game killed with bullets for a VERY long time.
It might be worth noting that until around the 1920s-40s most bullets were made with MORE lead then the current bullets we use now.
Didn't SEEM to affect anyone adversely?
Ducks and geese and turkeys takin in the wild are often cooked with some of the lead pellets still in them?
Thinkin this is more of a case of OVER REACTION then otherwise?
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Are you sure Al Gore didn't have anything to do with this? Sounds like his handy work.
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I hunt deer all the time up here... :confused:
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I seem to recall a friend telling me (I'm not a duck hunter) it's illegal to hunt ducks with lead shot. You use steel, bismuth or tungsten. That way if the duck is only winged with a pellet or two it does not become lead poisoned. The only question I have with applying this to deer is just how many deer have the bullet stuck in them? Everyone I've shot had an exit wound and no fragmentation.
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I seem to recall a friend telling me (I'm not a duck hunter) it's illegal to hunt ducks with lead shot. You use steel, bismuth or tungsten. That way if the duck is only winged with a pellet or two it does not become lead poisoned. The only question I have with applying this to deer is just how many deer have the bullet stuck in them? Everyone I've shot had an exit wound and no fragmentation.
You're not supposed to use lead because it poisons the water...the duck included. About the deer, it depends, are you using a rifle? Or a slug?
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Everyone I've shot had an exit wound and no fragmentation.
:rofl
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aim higher?
Ya gotta lead runnin Squirrels with a BB gun.
Mac
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Here is a nice artical on Winchesters new E Tip solid copper bullets. Good read for the hunters in here that might have to start worrying about the enviormental nuts passing new laws about lead bullets where you hunt.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/etipwin_100907/index.html (http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/etipwin_100907/index.html)
Barnes has been making solid copper bullets for a long time now. I use their solid copper slugs in my shotgun for deer hunting, and have had great results with them. Weight retention on impact is outstanding, as well as expansion on impact. I've never had a deer move more than ten yards away from where it was when I hit it before they dropped.
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:lol
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You're not supposed to use lead because it poisons the water...the duck included. About the deer, it depends, are you using a rifle? Or a slug?
Never used a shotgun for deer, always a rifle. My current weapon of choice is a 1940 8mm Mauser.
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lead is the new hoax that they are using to take away freedoms and stop hunting and make it harder to own and enjoy firearms.
This is not new.. A while back they said it poisoned the water and ground. they did all kinds of studies and decades old shooting ranges and guess what?
lead forms an oxide around it that stops it from further oxidation.. that is why you find lead shot from the 14th century in the ground in almost perfect shape. it does not dissolve in water or earth..
In the shooting ranges studied.. millions of rounds were there... There was some local lead oxide in the ground but under a couple of inches of soil.. levels were normal.
One condor got lead poisoning and may or may not have died from it. Lead is quite common in nature.
lazs
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Yea you got to pack some serious hardware to take on them deer. As Ron White says you want to kill a deer put a horn and flashing lights on the bullet. :rofl
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lead is the new hoax that they are using to take away freedoms and stop hunting and make it harder to own and enjoy firearms.
This is not new.. A while back they said it poisoned the water and ground. they did all kinds of studies and decades old shooting ranges and guess what?
lead forms an oxide around it that stops it from further oxidation.. that is why you find lead shot from the 14th century in the ground in almost perfect shape. it does not dissolve in water or earth..
In the shooting ranges studied.. millions of rounds were there... There was some local lead oxide in the ground but under a couple of inches of soil.. levels were normal.
One condor got lead poisoning and may or may not have died from it. Lead is quite common in nature.
lazs
My school has a riflery team with the riflery range being indoors, in the basement of one of the Athletic Buildings. It was only JUST recently opened up again. The school tested the ground around the down turn of the end of the range and found, SURPRISE! Lead in the ground. They couldn't prove contamination, only that there was lead in the ground where the bullets stopped.
I'd be a little more peeved if our team wasn't filled with sweetheartbags.
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The link does not work for me. I keep getting a 400 webpage not found error.
There is something to consider here. It takes a while to absorb lead from the metal. Shooting a deer and eating the venison won't give you lead poisoning. The animal didn't carry the bullet long enough to circulate the lead throughout the carcass because it died.
Having a lead projectile in the body is no guarantee that it will cause problems. The body tends to encapsulate the projectile to reduce contact as it is recognised as a foreign object. There are known accounts of folks who carry actual lead projectiles in their body as it was too dangerous to remove them surgically or it was in a place that it would not likely travel and cause a problem. They did not suffer from lead poisoning, other than the trauma of being shot.
The meat immediately surrounding the wound is not typically eaten as it is all bruised / torn in a condition known to hunters as bloodshot.
Typical modern hunting rounds are copper jacketed also reducing the contact with the new evil, lead.
There are pure copper hunting bullets. A company known as Barnes has been making them for years in multiple calibers. There are some available as factory loaded rounds as well.
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After a deer or a Condor is raised in a house with lead paint, lead window caulking, etc. and have spent many, many hours up to their forearms (does deer and condors have forearms?) in leaded gasoline cleaning tractor and auto plugs and parts..........after they have spent a few years melting and pouring lead for bullets , etc. ...they can come tell me about it. Until then it`s a crock of crap.
Oooops...I left out the annual lead arsenate/horse and mule mixture that was put out by hand.
That would really wind their clock.
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I've never had a deer move more than ten yards away from where it was when I hit it before they dropped.
That's because you're shooting them with a shotgun (duh!) :aok
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I like the 270 for its ability to reach out and touch someone or something. Unless I hit bone usually clean through.
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:O Good thing I killed my deer this year with a bow.
:eek: Wouldn't want to get lead poisoning :rofl
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Good thing I killed my deer this year with a bow.
Now you`re talking. :)