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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: helbent on March 31, 2008, 03:38:10 PM
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DUDE!
Ack is so messed up now! Come on man, cant get near a cv without getting hit in the head. I just pulled away from cv with an upper, get some separation to come back to fight him co-alt and get nailed in the head by ack. I did'nt even have vis on cv!!
This new ack is just sick man, FIX IT
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I know the whiners want more ack, but this is rediculous. Its hampering the fights near CVs and fields.
I AM NOT HAPPY!!!
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I love being capped at my field by box ack from a cv someone drove right onto the beach... :rock
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AAA = Anti-aircraft Artillery
In the war, you could not get near a CV without getting whacked unless you had major numbers or got lucky and snuck in.
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I could live with just a new puffy ack system that didn't make fighters so vulnerable.
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I AM NOT HAPPY!!!
We don't care if you're happy!!!
Personally, I think Puffy ack is a secret conspiracy as a counterattack towrd SAPP taking over AH
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SAPP starting to look like the Borg these days.
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The only way to get ord on a CV now is 15 or 20k in heavy bombers. Every jabo attack I've tried since the new patch has gotten me blown out of the sky before I start my dive. So now I target the battleships first..cuts alot of the ack out that way. :aok
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(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/515528356_3320804d05.jpg?v=0)
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Another vote for change here.
I agree flak/ack should be intense close to a CV, but getting nailed when the TG is a sector away xux. I had it happen twice yesterday. The AOA of ack-huggers just got bigger :mad:
Needs toned down a bit.
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I like ya, Helbent, but I disagree.
For the first time, CVs have the ability to surivive even in the midst of 10k dive bombing B17s.
The BIR (beyond icon range) kills are a little annoying, but they are rare.
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Another vote for change here.
I agree flak/ack should be intense close to a CV, but getting nailed when the TG is a sector away xux. I had it happen twice yesterday. The AOA of ack-huggers just got bigger :mad:
Needs toned down a bit.
Another vote for change here.
We need MORE ACK! Make the CVs a no fly zone!
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DUDE!
Ack is so messed up now! Come on man, cant get near a cv without getting hit in the head. I just pulled away from cv with an upper, get some separation to come back to fight him co-alt and get nailed in the head by ack. I did'nt even have vis on cv!!
This new ack is just sick man, FIX IT
and while your at it fix the lazerbeam bomber guns to
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and while your at it fix the lazerbeam bomber guns to
Laser beam bomber guns?
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Laser beam bomber guns?
there is no way when attacking 3 bombers all the guns on the planes would be able to hit you, i think they should disable this feature.but i feel lots would cry about them being turned off, like they cryed in a past snapshot when the CM turned off external view for the bombers in a snapshot.
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Another vote for change here.
...but getting nailed when the TG is a sector away xux. I had it happen twice yesterday. The AOA of ack-huggers just got bigger :mad:
Needs toned down a bit.
Oh please, stop with the high school girl melodrama and exaggerations. I seriously doubt you were killed by CV AAA a sector away, especially since CV acks don't have that range.
ack-ack
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there is no way when attacking 3 bombers all the guns on the planes would be able to hit you, i think they should disable this feature.but i feel lots would cry about them being turned off, like they cryed in a past snapshot when the CM turned off external view for the bombers in a snapshot.
Erm not all guns, only the guns that can "see" you. I know small distinction but still a distinction.
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there is no way when attacking 3 bombers all the guns on the planes would be able to hit you, i think they should disable this feature.but i feel lots would cry about them being turned off, like they cryed in a past snapshot when the CM turned off external view for the bombers in a snapshot.
If you don't want to get shot down by bombers then I highly recommend you use some tactics when engaging said bombers. If you get hit, it's your own fault for coming in stupid. Don't blame the "lasers" on the bombers for your own short comings.
ack-ack
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Erm not all guns, only the guns that can "see" you. I know small distinction but still a distinction.
using a B-17 as example in the classic attack formation.
3 top turrents, 3 rear guns and sometimes the waist guns. :rofl and all of them are trained in the same spot, yea thats really realistic.
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If you don't want to get shot down by bombers then I highly recommend you use some tactics when engaging said bombers. If you get hit, it's your own fault for coming in stupid. Don't blame the "lasers" on the bombers for your own short comings.
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your postive remarks should be sticky'd so that the whole community can learn from you by example.keep up the hard work! :D
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I love being capped at my field by box ack from a cv someone drove right onto the beach... :rock
Yep it's ridiculous, CV furballs suck now because of it. Today I was climbing out away from a A base with a CV right on top of it and I'm getting hit with puffy the entire time. Puffy shouldn't even fire at you unless you are over 8 to 10k in alt.
Gotta love how the puffy ack will zero in on a little fighter doing 300+ but can never manage to hit big level bombers doing the same.
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Oh please, stop with the high school girl melodrama and exaggerations. I seriously doubt you were killed by CV AAA a sector away, especially since CV acks don't have that range.
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Oh please, stop with the no school exaggerations. I said nailed, not killed. NME TG was in next sector. Read the post, not INTO it.
I was at 16,000 feet and got hit by flak twice by a TG that could not be seen in any direction. (max graphics, 22" screen).
On the upside, it does give away the presence of a TG sooner, but that's a double-edged sword.
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So, sweet.... you think there would be one person shooting at the enemy plane, and all the rest would be sitting there twiddling there thumbs?
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If ack stays the way it is now, I will have to cancel my account. This is purely disgusting. Defence? HA Just forget it and jump in a flak.
Sad thing is I dont GV
I like you too Del and alot of other players, but this is just sick, I will have take my business elsewheres if this aint fixed
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Oh please, stop with the high school girl melodrama and exaggerations. I seriously doubt you were killed by CV AAA a sector away, especially since CV acks don't have that range.
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DUDE! Like, no way dude, cuz I was, like, five sectors aways and like, there I was attacking this like, you know, lazer bomber and like this, you know, puffy ack just like came outta like nowhere and like blew me to bits! It was, you know, like, crazy how far away I was!
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If ack stays the way it is now, I will have to cancel my account. This is purely disgusting. Defence? HA Just forget it and jump in a flak.
Sad thing is I dont GV
I like you too Del and alot of other players, but this is just sick, I will have take my business elsewheres if this aint fixed
SAPPs standards for recruitment appear to have suffered over the years.
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I was toolin along at 11k this morning (3am) and suddenly received damage marks on my windshield. I first though I got jumped with my pants down by DrDea again <GGGGG>
Never heard nor saw the burst or it's report or any AC like ANYWHERE. SO I'm like "a bug?",..it didn't anger me or anything. But I was lookin around and around and could find nothing at all. Then about 3 min later while viewing my 6 I saw way back and high like almost out of sight 4-5 burst, prolly 15k high or so.
I just figured I caught the guns on the parameter of it's range and just took one hit. But then I thought,... why are those guns now firing 3 min after leaving their range? They didn't seem to be firing AT anything, I was done gone.
Someone told me the range was 20k. Which would explain why I got hit with nothing in sight, sorta. I don't know how long the AAA will fire after nothing is in range, but it did *seem* to have a delayed firing reaction, I was just getting out of range when it started. SEEMINGLY. <shrug> just found it odd.
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Puffy shouldn't even fire at you unless you are over 8 to 10k in alt.
Why? It wasn't like that in real life. Look in the photo of the attack on the Yorktown and notice the cotton ball puffs from flak on the deck.
(http://www.centuryinter.net/midway/graphics/dankaseberg/cv5_torpedoed.jpg)
ack-ack
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In fact a DD getting a little bit too energetic lobbed a 5" proximity fused round over the Enterprise's deck and blew up a parked aircraft. The resulting fire put the ship out of action for quite a while[1]. Puffy ack went wherever there were aircraft (IFF being by Mk1 Mod 0 Eyeball). The only modeling "problem" I can see is the relative immunity friendly aircraft enjoy.
[1] "The Big E: The Story of the USS Enterprise", by Edward P Stafford
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So, sweet.... you think there would be one person shooting at the enemy plane, and all the rest would be sitting there twiddling there thumbs?
no i am not saying that at all, i am typing that not all of them would be that accurate.
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no i am not saying that at all, i am typing that not all of them would be that accurate.
I think this is modelled by the accuracy of the human gunner(s). The bomber guns only aim where you aim.
<S>
Yossarian
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If I get smoked by whels while diving in on CV, OK it sucks but OK he hit me.
But, getting hit by auto ack while out of visual rangeof the carrier is BS!
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If I get smoked by whels while diving in on CV, OK it sucks but OK he hit me.
But, getting hit by auto ack while out of visual rangeof the carrier is BS!
not really helbent, i have hit planes from 5.5 out with the 5" guns before
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AAA=
Aim At Alt-monkeys?
Aim At ultra melons?
Annihilate All Aircraft?
Anywhere Aircraft Are?
Aggravate All Airmen?
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no i am not saying that at all, i am typing that not all of them would be that accurate.
Yeah, because, you know, they're definitely not all trained in their positions or had experience, common sense, and advice from veteran gunners or anything. Psshh, 'course not!
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Yep it's ridiculous, CV furballs suck now because of it. Today I was climbing out away from a A base with a CV right on top of it and I'm getting hit with puffy the entire time. Puffy shouldn't even fire at you unless you are over 8 to 10k in alt.
Gotta love how the puffy ack will zero in on a little fighter doing 300+ but can never manage to hit big level bombers doing the same.
Glad to know I had that base zeroed in. Was beginning to wonder, with only one kill over that base. I was lobbing 5" AA from 10K out to help CAP it.
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The other funny whine is, "BS! PUFFY ACKS KILLED ME IN ONE SHOT! FIX IT HTC!" Like it's beyond the scope of possibility that a 88mm or even a 155mm AA round would be able to destroy a plane or kill the pilot with a single round. Especially when the majority of combat deaths were from AAA fire rather than fighter on fighter combat.
ack-ack
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American Automobile Association? :D
CV ack is fine. You just have to use a little bit of tatics to kill them now. No more lancsstukas. I sank one with a lone SBD 2 weeks ago. I dived from 18K, drop at 9k, go back and rearm. repeat untill dead.
as for the so called "laser guns" on the bombers, that idiot probably attacks from low 6' o clock everytime like the rest of the noobs. from that position he has 12 .50cals firing at him with no need to lead the target, so of course their accurate when you do stupid stuff like that.
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SAPPs standards for recruitment appear to have suffered over the years.
SAPP may ask for my resignation anytime they wish. Until then, Im staying
BTW I know what AAA stands for you dolts
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RAP = Retards Attempting Poetry.
Just thought I'd throw that in there. :)
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:noid
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DUDE!
Ack is so messed up now! Come on man, cant get near a cv without getting hit in the head. I just pulled away from cv with an upper, get some separation to come back to fight him co-alt and get nailed in the head by ack. I did'nt even have vis on cv!!
This new ack is just sick man, FIX IT
Anti Aircraft Artillary
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I still want to see a doublecruiser group with every gun manned by skilled gunners.
Then throw in 30 red guys trying to sink it. Will be like firework night :t
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there is no way when attacking 3 bombers all the guns on the planes would be able to hit you, i think they should disable this feature.but i feel lots would cry about them being turned off, like they cryed in a past snapshot when the CM turned off external view for the bombers in a snapshot.
using a B-17 as example in the classic attack formation.
3 top turrents, 3 rear guns and sometimes the waist guns. and all of them are trained in the same spot, yea thats really realistic.
Sorry for the mild detour to Cuba, but I've noticed a certain pattern within these hallowed halls, and I have come bearing the whine killer.
(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1417/gunsinahiiug5eh9.jpg)
Explain to me how in the :devil, you think every single gun is laser sighted on you again? The only gun that has a snowballs chance in :devil of even coming close to hitting you, is the ball turret on the lead aircraft. Oh wait, it aims at that mythical convergance point as well, so as you slowly climb up dead six, it's actually aiming above you. I realize this is not to scale, but if you figure the two trailing aircraft are roughly 80 feet apart at an angle, so let's say 60 feet as you're looking at it from the rear, at 1k those rounds are passing 60 feet either side of you as you close. Not even the split-tailed devil(sorry, gotta get a dig in on the mini buffs :D) is 120 feet wide.
If any of you want to survive while attacking buffs, do not do the l o n g , s l o w climb up from the rear, where i have oodles of time to pick which eyeball I want to put the first round into your cranium. Or better yet, please continue, I enjoy landing buff kills. <S> This public service announcement brought to you by, The 484th BGH and the rest of the buff community, thank you and now back to your previous discussion.
P.S. Buff drivers, feel free to use this artwork in future buff gun whine threads, and bring cheese, we'll party.:D
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CV ack is fine. (...) I sank one with a lone SBD 2 weeks ago. I dived from 18K, drop at 9k, go back and rearm. repeat untill dead.
This post has nothing to do with reality.
Sorry to sound that harsh, but that simply never happened. You may finally have gotten the "ship killed" message, but you must have had help. There is no way to sink a CV on your own with a SBD that way.
The time it takes to get to 18k in a SBD is way too long (about 17 mins!), too much damage is regenerating between your 1200lbs hits.
Assumed you are not blasted out of the sky by the new ack settings (and the SBD is a very slow and easy to hit target), it would take you about 2h to put 8000 lbs on that CV. If you indeed "go back and rearm" instead of bomb'n'bail, it will take even longer. The task group would just yawn at your attempts.
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Why? It wasn't like that in real life. Look in the photo of the attack on the Yorktown and notice the cotton ball puffs from flak on the deck.
(http://www.centuryinter.net/midway/graphics/dankaseberg/cv5_torpedoed.jpg)
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This game isn't realistic.. I don't think there was ever a zeek fighting a LA7 or a P38 fighting a spitfire in ww2. Why does that happen in this game? Because people think it's fun to fly whatever they want. So why have puffy ack that kills the fun in a furball needlessly. There is plenty of auto ack that can kill a incoming fighter low on the water.
For the sake of a fun game the puffy should be limited to high alt over 8 to 10k where 'most" of the CV killers come from.. Lets get real, the puffy never killls low bombers anyway it's always the auto ack. The only thing the puffy ever kills at low alt is fighters.
Also the puffy ack and CV guns would have killed friendly fighters just the same as enemy.. yet in this game it only kills the enemy. So how can you even think it's comparable to RL ww2 situations.
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If I get smoked by whels while diving in on CV, OK it sucks but OK he hit me.
But, getting hit by auto ack while out of visual rangeof the carrier is BS!
I lost a 262 to it a while back (well b4 this update) was minding my own biz at about 15k flying on auto from one base to another. out of the blue puffy start going off around me and after 3 or 4 times it gets a direct hit and flames my engine in a jet doing full speed. Yet it never seems to do any damage to level bombers.
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If ack stays the way it is now, I will have to cancel my account. This is purely disgusting. Defence? HA Just forget it and jump in a flak.
Sad thing is I dont GV
I like you too Del and alot of other players, but this is just sick, I will have take my business elsewheres if this aint fixed
the door....your butt
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This post has nothing to do with reality.
Sorry to sound that harsh, but that simply never happened. You may finally have gotten the "ship killed" message, but you must have had help. There is no way to sink a CV on your own with a SBD that way.
The time it takes to get to 18k in a SBD is way too long (about 17 mins!), too much damage is regenerating between your 1200lbs hits.
Assumed you are not blasted out of the sky by the new ack settings (and the SBD is a very slow and easy to hit target), it would take you about 2h to put 8000 lbs on that CV. If you indeed "go back and rearm" instead of bomb'n'bail, it will take even longer. The task group would just yawn at your attempts.
by lone I meant no one else was in the cv's ack range at the same time as me. It was burning when I got to it, and I only re-armed twice. The point of my post was more that you can put ords on the cv without dying, than a single SBD can sink it, which you have shown is not possible.
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[1] "The Big E: The Story of the USS Enterprise", by Edward P Stafford
<-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is one of my favorite books! Got it when I was in 7th grade, recently purchased a nicer, used version. Worth the read for all WWII aviation enthusiasts!