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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: swareiam on April 02, 2008, 10:31:16 AM
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I have found that the KI-84 is the tough aircraft in the plane set to kill A2A. What is your toughest kill?
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I have trouble with the Ki84 also...and the N1K :cry
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There is not really a certain plane type which i find specifically tough. It is the combinations that annoy me.
For instance, you look back and see a Hurricane/A6m and P-51/La7 chasing you down. Can't use energy on one and cant outturn the other :(
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Yip. Ki-84 is a tough kill, especially if the pilot knows how to use it's climb. If I am flying into a furball I will target 84s first, then Las, then spit 16s. They can all get higher really quickly.
I hate attacking B26s too. They are tough and always shred me.
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B17s... with Spitfires in close second.
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I have found that the KI-84 is the tough aircraft in the plane set to kill A2A. What is your toughest kill?
the one behind me....which is most of them most of the time :O
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Hurri
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There is not really a certain plane type which i find specifically tough. It is the combinations that annoy me.
For instance, you look back and see a Hurricane/A6m and P-51/La7 chasing you down. Can't use energy on one and cant outturn the other :(
Just gotta pray one is a noob and test it out quick :)
N1K is problem for me as it will keep E very well and sticks to you for a long time, and all that time if you turn or climb you are dead. Did the N1K actually kept the E so well ?
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Learn to aim for every targets weak spot, the wing tips.It doesnt matter what you are shooting at, ALWAYS aim for the wing tips. Not a single bird in this game is combatable after loosing its wing tip, some are better than others, but for the most part they just fly in circles like a lame duck. Wing tips..wing tips..wing tips.
Nothing else matters, not what you fly, and not what your target is.
If it has wings a engine and at least two gun's, you can make wing tiping a valuable option.
As far as any one plane giving me a problem, none.
I die because i allow the other pilot to use the planes abilitys to its advantage
If they go high, i go low, and meet them right back in the middle, they nose up and try to run away, i nose down and get more distance, the higher he climbs, the lower i go, just the more time it takes for him to DIVE back down on me.
Sometimes its fun to shakes a la7 off your p39's six.
Ahh yes, one mans fun is truly anothers hell, but i like it hot.
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Jets, everything else is a toss-up in plane size, agility, speed, durability, and pilot skill/soberness.
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If they go high, i go low, and meet them right back in the middle, they nose up and try to run away, i nose down and get more distance, the higher he climbs, the lower i go, just the more time it takes for him to DIVE back down on me.
Sometimes its fun to shakes a la7 off your p39's six.
Ahh yes, one mans fun is truly anothers hell, but i like it hot.
i really hope this doesn't sound stupid......but could you elaborate on the above please? why do you dive if he goes up? i assume this to mean that you'd go up if he tried to dive away? i'm just wondering if i've been missing something by not doing these things?
thanks!!
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My stats say Nik followed by ground guns.
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Learn to aim for every targets weak spot, the wing tips.It doesnt matter what you are shooting at, ALWAYS aim for the wing tips. Not a single bird in this game is combatable after loosing its wing tip, some are better than others, but for the most part they just fly in circles like a lame duck. Wing tips..wing tips..wing tips.
Nothing else matters, not what you fly, and not what your target is.
If it has wings a engine and at least two gun's, you can make wing tiping a valuable option.
As far as any one plane giving me a problem, none.
I die because i allow the other pilot to use the planes abilitys to its advantage
If they go high, i go low, and meet them right back in the middle, they nose up and try to run away, i nose down and get more distance, the higher he climbs, the lower i go, just the more time it takes for him to DIVE back down on me.
Sometimes its fun to shakes a la7 off your p39's six.
Ahh yes, one mans fun is truly anothers hell, but i like it hot.
Sir, I am a little confused by your technique. Are you saying that you dive and extend to create space, like a split "S"? Or are you bleeding away your "E" after the merge, during a climb up to reengage?:confused: The latter not being a good option, unless you know the plane your flying is a better "E" fighter than the one you just merged with. Still leaving your opponent with the advantage of altitude. Please elaborate on your thoughts more...
Cheers :aok
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Put me in the "Ki-84" camp. A well-flown Ki-84 is one of the most deadly opponents in the game.
However if you run into a Hog stick who knows how to work his flaps and E you're in for one hell of a beating.
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Put me in the "Ki-84" camp. A well-flown Ki-84 is one of the most deadly opponents in the game.
However if you run into a Hog stick who knows how to work his flaps and E you're in for one hell of a beating.
amen
i can fly Ki 84s pretty well. Watch out for me :)
i would probably say a Ki 84 as well.
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Whichever plane N7 or Tbarone are currently in. I've yet to kill them 1v1...
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Whichever plane N7 or Tbarone are currently in. I've yet to kill them 1v1...
Yep, they are both pretty tough to kill. I have had them at least once a piece in AvA. :D
Cheers... :aok
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Sir, I am a little confused by your technique. Are you saying that you dive and extend to create space, like a split "S"? Or are you bleeding away your "E" after the merge, during a climb up to reengage?:confused: The latter not being a good option, unless you know the plane your flying is a better "E" fighter than the one you just merged with. Still leaving your opponent with the advantage of altitude. Please elaborate on your thoughts more...
Cheers :aok
He's basically describing how he runs not fights.
ack-ack
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Toughest kill I had was a seafire, but I was flying an A-20.
I ended up getting my elevator shot off, so the only was I could control my altitude was flaps and playing with the throttle, he finally ran out of ammo and ended up trying to ram me to drive me down. :D
that chase when on for about 15 minutes, till i scored enough hits with the rear gun turret to flame him. I'm actully surprised he didn't get me in the first pass.
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AckAck I use this method if I am turn fighting someone and they go up when I know I cant follow. When they come back down I do a lag roll and usually have enough to go back up or make them turn. Of course this is with a P-51B and I am full flaps to the wind. So I understand what he is saying and it works when the the plane your in needs speed to fly well. Tho if I have E I wont typically dive away unless its a hurricane or some other type of plane that doesnt turn well at high speed.
Karma.....wing tips represent a very small portion of the plane. While yes a single 20mm can take a tip off its still a poor target. I always aim for the cockpit as it represents the largest target and is also a easy kill. If you miss the wing tip you are shooting air while the cockpit has parts in all 4 directions. If a target shows me a top view I aim for center mass or a wing root. Even when shooting at buffs this still is the best avenue. Wingroot produces flame and center mass gets a pilot kill. Not only that I want to see you take a wingtip off a 152. Even if your target is not maneuvering Id still go for a kill shot and not a disabling one. I have film of me turn fighting Doom in his 190 while only having a partial wing. Gave him a good fight to!!
Hardest kill for me in a poni.....F6F....good plane that mainly good pilots fly. They eat me alive when turning and are a bastard to make over shoot.
Strip(er)
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Learn to aim for every targets weak spot, the wing tips.It doesnt matter what you are shooting at, ALWAYS aim for the wing tips. Not a single bird in this game is combatable after loosing its wing tip, some are better than others, but for the most part they just fly in circles like a lame duck. Wing tips..wing tips..wing tips.
Nothing else matters, not what you fly, and not what your target is.
If it has wings a engine and at least two gun's, you can make wing tiping a valuable option.
As far as any one plane giving me a problem, none.
I die because i allow the other pilot to use the planes abilitys to its advantage
If they go high, i go low, and meet them right back in the middle, they nose up and try to run away, i nose down and get more distance, the higher he climbs, the lower i go, just the more time it takes for him to DIVE back down on me.
Sometimes its fun to shakes a la7 off your p39's six.
Ahh yes, one mans fun is truly anothers hell, but i like it hot.
Funny but I find hitting the pilot works better, that way if I miss I can pop the engine, the tail or either wingtip... :aok
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Screen freeze
I never know when it's coming, usually hits when I'm in a furball at low level followed by waking up in the tower.
Taking the pilot out of the equation and just based on the aircraft itself, the C-Hog seems the most uber ride by far post patch. It's dweeby low speed handling with flaps makes it superior to Temp imho. Seeing one with gear down as well just makes me laugh.
262's are only a threat to buffs and those with SA little better then being AFK.
<S>...-Gixer
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The Yak series because they are hard to see. It's not just the small size, but also the color.
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Toughest A2A kill? Anything with cannons or a lot of guns that get a good firing solution :mad:
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For my 38G the Ki-84 seems to be the toughest one to kill.
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After i pull up from the dive, some of the time a skilled pilot will stop his dive and keep climbing back into another roll over the top, all the while i have already banked left or right,(he will now be entering that roll over) and i am now proceeding away, and down "getting speed" as he now notices i am 2.0+ out he will start to come back, by then i am already in a diving turn still keeping speed, buck the nose up... target, and fire.
Again, a skilled pilot will see this coming, he too will nose up and return to a climb, hopefully you can track him or get a gun solution, if you can, take the shot.
I fly the A20G, and it works very well for me.
That is all.
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i shot down a tempest with a a6m5. i cherry picked him from above and he never saw me. when i dove on him i was at 380 mph on the verge of losing control. started using my rudder to slow down. when i got to within 200 i opened up with all my guns into the tempest cockpit. the tempest expolded. good kill
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Learn to aim for every targets weak spot, the wing tips.It doesnt matter what you are shooting at, ALWAYS aim for the wing tips. Not a single bird in this game is combatable after loosing its wing tip, some are better than others, but for the most part they just fly in circles like a lame duck. Wing tips..wing tips..wing tips.
Nothing else matters, not what you fly, and not what your target is.
If it has wings a engine and at least two gun's, you can make wing tiping a valuable option.
As far as any one plane giving me a problem, none.
I die because i allow the other pilot to use the planes abilitys to its advantage
If they go high, i go low, and meet them right back in the middle, they nose up and try to run away, i nose down and get more distance, the higher he climbs, the lower i go, just the more time it takes for him to DIVE back down on me.
Sometimes its fun to shakes a la7 off your p39's six.
Ahh yes, one mans fun is truly anothers hell, but i like it hot.
ya think?
i finally found time to go into the MA's..so i went to MW for some fights. after spending an hour or so dealing with runners, and hotards, i FINALLY found a good fight. it was co-alt 14k hellkitty v hellkitty.......the fight went on for 3 or 4 minutes, and i was only geting a shot or two here and there.....the guy was very good.....saw a 38 comming in, so i thought i was gonna have trouble, so i got a bit more agressive, and took off 1/2 of his right wing. i figure, he'd down, and turn into the 38(who did very surprisingly stay out of the fight till i did that). i merge the 38, and take a glance over my shoulder, and there's the kitty bearing down on me hard,,,from my 5 low i think......i turn inot him, get his six again....a few more rounds, and there goes part of his left wing.....again i go after the 38 thinking that this time for sure he's down.....the 38 augers, and i see the kitty STILL flying. by the time i got to him, he got the ditch :mad:.
it was STILL an excellent fun fight though!
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Gixer, the question is what's hardest to kill, not what's hardest to avoid getting killed by.
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AckAck I think BadKarma is describing how he ho's everything! :D
Strip(er)
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It totally depends on what I'm flying. For each plane I'm in, the potential threat level of another given plane changes, but in general I don't worry about any plane in the game other than the Ki-61. Every time I run into one it's flown by a good stick and winning is a dicey proposition.
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My hardest is spit 16.
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Would definitely be the YAK 9 U. Small, fast and twitchy. I fly the BF109K so I have to get close.
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The aircraft I find hardest to kill is no one particular aircraft. Anything with a huge speed seperation becomes more difficult for me because I most often fly aircraft with the Mk 108 cannon and huge closure rates make the close range shot required for a certain shot more difficult.
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The two most difficult to work with for myself are the Ki-84 & the K-4. My timing always seems to be off when merging and trying to get angles on these two AC.
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The Hurricane Mk IIc is a problem for my F6F and to a lesser extent the A6M. If I'm above him its no problem, but co-E or less I'll usually try to get clear if there is one around and I have no friendlies for support.
Against most MA pilots I can often time my reversals and lead turns to defeat better turning planes like Spits, F4Us or N1ks, but no matter what I do the Hurri will always turn inside me.
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AckAck I think BadKarma is describing how he ho's everything! :D
Strip(er)
You are correct, of course i wont cry if my target turns away, a kill is a kill.
And Honestly, i prefer the term "jousting" Its takes two, i am not to blame or to be shamed.
Oh and niki's & temps are my "hard to kill"
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hmm toughest kills for me? Well, I dont consider the plane tough to kill, I consider the pilot tough to kill. I really dont like flying my P-39D against spixteens. So I usually just ho em or keep my E in the turns and if they make a hard enough turn, I can turn onto their six and finish em off.
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Gixer, the question is what's hardest to kill, not what's hardest to avoid getting killed by.
Ah right, well simple. Anything with warps.
<S>...-Gixer
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Mazz in any ride after he consumes two bowls of chilli. :O
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some pilots are easyer to kill than others like i find it easyer to kill expereced pilots with a 30 mm because they break in one direction and i hit things with the big slow canon rounds beter in a turn while noobs dont even notice sometimes
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Give me an A6M and I'll happily take on anything that doesn't have a tail gunner.
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I have found that the KI-84 is the tough aircraft in the plane set to kill A2A. What is your toughest kill?
Any aircraft driven by a competent stick.
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There is not really a certain plane type which i find specifically tough. It is the combinations that annoy me.
For instance, you look back and see a Hurricane/A6m and P-51/La7 chasing you down. Can't use energy on one and cant outturn the other :(
Bingo
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Spitfire's...because all they do is stick stur.
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Spike I have to disagree. I think that most would say the 190 is the queen of the stick stir.
Strip
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Spike I have to disagree. I think that most would say the 190 is the queen of the stick stir.
Strip
It all depends on the pilot...from what I've seen, Spits, LA7's and some PonyD's stick stir a lot...from what you've seen, 190's stick stir. Others might say Nik's stick stir, or maybe 109s...
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i would have to say.... planes because i suck at the game so shooting down anything it a great feat for me
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For me, I loose a lot of fights against the Hurri 2c. The thing is like impossible to make overshoot because it's so slow and turns like a beast, plus it has 4 hispanos.
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REALLY good Hurricane IIC, Spitfire V and Zeke pilots are next to impossible to hit though it seems that the Hurricane IIC doesn't experience as much drag but I could be wrong.
The Ki-84 is a hard fight and until it is confirmed that the F4U actually out turns one, then they will always be the toughest for me since I never drop more than 20 degrees of flaps in case the things are porked.
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There is not really a certain plane type which i find specifically tough. It is the combinations that annoy me.
For instance, you look back and see a Hurricane/A6m and P-51/La7 chasing you down. Can't use energy on one and cant outturn the other :(
Yup... I agree.
Although for this situation what I tend to do is wait for the pony/lghey to get close, cut throttle to ~50%, Pull up, and roll over em, gun the throttle with WEP and dive, repeat as needed until you get into friendly ackack or they turn away :]
But if you have to do it too much, change it up a bit, roll under 'em, that always catches 'em off gaurd :aok
Then all you need to do is :pray
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my biggest problem is when im in a 262 and a 163 shows up :cry
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I would have to say 109E and 109F. Both are great turners and their lethal in the right hands.
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Alt monkeys in Tempests.
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"What is your toughest Air to Air kill?"
Easy to answer. The ones that run or won't fight.