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Title: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: LTARGlok on April 02, 2008, 03:14:42 PM
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A group of nine 3rd graders upset with being disciplined by their teacher have been foiled in their apparent plans to assault, bind, and then stab her to death.

Interestingly, the main plot leaders appear to be two girls, aged 9 and 10.  One bought a heavy paperweight, to be used to knock the teacher out with.   Another bought a knife, to then be used to stab her.   A boy bought some tape, to be used to bind the teacher after she was knocked out.   Handcuffs were also obtained.

This was a special education class, and all of the students have learning disabilities of one type or another.   So they were not your average typical kids.

Still, it is pretty frighting.   What will these children be capable of when they become adults?    Here is a photo of their bag of supplies they put together for the attack:

(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080402/capt.abb3f232691040caad6f996fed41c4a6.childrens_plot_ny121.jpg?x=400&y=265&sig=7BgLYE7nvGVEQBNf78AD7g--)


Are the police correct in taking this matter so seriously?   Or do you think that the kids were only play acting?

The children are too young to be sentenced to even a juvenile facility.  What do you do in a case like this?   There appears to be no easy answer.

Here is a news story about it:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_re_us/children_s_plot;_ylt=ApWxkTnvLn.IZqhojepqbOes0NUE


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Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: wrongwayric on April 02, 2008, 04:59:33 PM
When i first heard that i chuckled then i froze in shock! My sister in-law teaches 3rd and 4th graders so it's kind of sobering. It's a product of our society, lack of parenting, and our entertainment systems IMO. What's the last action movie/game you played were it wasn't cool to kill someone if they do you wrong? Nightly news first thing they talk about is who died or who killed who where. Kind of morbid in my opinion. Guess we will need armed guards in pre-school and up from now on. :(
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: Russian on April 02, 2008, 05:08:07 PM
Doesn't sounds like they had 'learning disabilities' .....most likely they got taken out of normal classes and placed into 'special' class....and of course teacher is responsible.
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: GtoRA2 on April 02, 2008, 05:16:12 PM
When i first heard that i chuckled then i froze in shock! My sister in-law teaches 3rd and 4th graders so it's kind of sobering. It's a product of our society, lack of parenting, and our entertainment systems IMO. What's the last action movie/game you played were it wasn't cool to kill someone if they do you wrong? Nightly news first thing they talk about is who died or who killed who where. Kind of morbid in my opinion. Guess we will need armed guards in pre-school and up from now on. :(

That’s a bit of a stretch unless this becomes much more common.  Look up Mary Bell, and there are others, this is not all that uncommon, and not a just a modern problem.

These kids should be put away and watched, in 3rd grade I knew murder was wrong.
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: Fishu on April 02, 2008, 05:35:36 PM
I have seen and known such lunatics. Such that go berserk at random times. It's a wonder they didn't manage to kill or seriously hurt anyone at school back then. Thank god they didn't go as far as to use deadly weapons, albeit heavy iron bars and such were a common sight flying through the air.


Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: wrongwayric on April 02, 2008, 05:46:22 PM
Please explain what part you think is a stretch? I'm sure i can find statistics that will back up that as our children became more exposed to violent acts and violence in general and that lack of supervision by there parents directly led to them acts of violence. I'm not saying all there acts and the results were intentional on there part. How many of you remember the young kid that killed another with a move he'd seen on WWF? He thought wrestling was fake and that the moves really wouldn't hurt anyone. :(
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: DrDea on April 02, 2008, 05:49:46 PM
 I saw that earlier.One kid was set to watch out and another was set to "clean up".That sounds kinda ominous to me.Clean up. :O
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: GtoRA2 on April 02, 2008, 05:57:43 PM
Please explain what part you think is a stretch? I'm sure i can find statistics that will back up that as our children became more exposed to violent acts and violence in general and that lack of supervision by there parents directly led to them acts of violence. I'm not saying all there acts and the results were intentional on there part. How many of you remember the young kid that killed another with a move he'd seen on WWF? He thought wrestling was fake and that the moves really wouldn't hurt anyone. :(

I am saying this is a freak occurance. A freak occurance, that has been seen before. Did you look up Merry bell? She was an 11 year child killer from the 60s. I dont buy your "its our voilent society causing this", because if that was the case it would be more commen.

Bad parents do have a big part in this, but some people are just not born right in the head.



Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: DoNKeY on April 02, 2008, 06:37:41 PM
I saw that earlier.One kid was set to watch out and another was set to "clean up".That sounds kinda ominous to me.Clean up. :O

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Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 02, 2008, 06:44:32 PM
April Fools was yesterday, mate  :huh
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: Gunthr on April 02, 2008, 07:51:44 PM
It's a combo of lack of mom and dad paying attention, and the internet.
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: Gaidin on April 02, 2008, 08:22:38 PM
I live in Douglas Ga, for anybody that looks at a map you will see that is about 20 mins from waycross.  The college I work at has a satellite campus in Waycross.  This is very scary to me.  I have an 8 year old daughter.  Man makes you wonder what kind of home life these kids have.
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: LePaul on April 02, 2008, 08:35:52 PM
Can you imagine the outcry if those kids HAD tried to pull this off and the teacher whacked them senseless with his fist?
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2008, 11:58:41 PM
That looks like a huge lack of direction for those kids to have ever even thought that was acceptable. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: SD67 on April 03, 2008, 05:58:20 AM
Sign O' the times :(
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: moot on April 03, 2008, 06:00:53 AM
The sky is falling!
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on April 03, 2008, 06:03:18 AM
I lost the article but, I saw one that said that psychologists do not think it is possible for the kid's to actually have fully intended to kill the teacher. It mentioned the kid's brains not having developed enough yet to harbor long standing negative emotions. they thought it was more of a "be cool, bring a weapon to school" sort of incident, where the students were just trying to act tough in front of their peers.
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: FiLtH on April 03, 2008, 07:37:48 AM
   Grind em up for fertilizer and try again.
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: lazs2 on April 03, 2008, 08:36:59 AM
we used to make up stuff and collect all sorts of things that parents didn't want us to have.  we even had "forts" where we "plotted"

I think this whole thing is really being blown out of proportion.   

nothing would have happened.

lazs
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: SOB on April 03, 2008, 08:50:43 AM
Sure are a bunch of glass-is-half-empty kinda people in this room.  Didn't anyone else notice that a bunch of special ed kids formulated a plan, identified individual skills within the group, then used teamwork to put the plan into action.  And in comes "the man" to put the kibosh on it.  Really, what kind of message does that send?









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Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: wrongwayric on April 03, 2008, 10:58:06 AM
 :rofl I guess children being used as suicide bombers isn't the sign of violence impacting a society? :( I'll admit that there are people that aren't "right in the head" but they usually don't run around in groups and they usually aren't 3rd graders. Though i have to admit i have seen some adults act like 3rd graders. Also look at the stat's for chicago school children being shot since the first of the year. It's becoming an epidemic and quite a few professionals directly relate it to the acceptance of violence through movies, video games and t.v.. The gang mentality is also directly impacting younger and younger children as they start to realize earlier on in there lives that the key to power/control as they see it is as a group. My sister inlaw said they are installing video monitoring cameras in all classrooms, hallways, ect. And hireing security personel to monitor them and patrol the hallways. This is in a K through 8th grade elementary school. :O She teaches in a school in the suburbs of chicago by the way.
Title: Re: 3rd Graders Foiled in Plot to Kill their Teacher??
Post by: lazs2 on April 04, 2008, 02:27:21 PM
vouchers..  no salvation for public schools..

We need vouchers.

lazs