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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hornet33 on April 03, 2008, 03:10:01 PM
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With all the political threads going around and the debates over who is what (liberal, conservitive) I thought it might be interesting to learn about some of the more vocal people on the boards here. I'd like to know what you belive your political stance is and in addition to that what it is you do for a living, educational background, where you grew up, and where you live now. Might be interesting to see how the work you do and where you live translates into how you think about political matters.
I would suppose it might be easier to group it in 6 categories.
1. Liberal
2. Liberal with few conservative ideas
3. Liberal with some conservative ideas
4. Conservative with some liberal ideas
5. Conservative with few liberal ideas
6. Conservative
I'm a 5, grew up in SW Oklahoma, live in Virginia now. I'm an Electronic Technician (military trained) I am retired Coast Guard/Army and now work for Mackay Marine Communications as a bench tech, and field service engineer. I'm currently working on my degree in Electronic Engineering.
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Hornet,
Kind of a neat idea there but I think for the purposes of the thread you should set the definition of the terms. Too many folks here on this board have different ideas of what liberal and conservative actually mean. Unless there is a set definition for the purpose of the discussion, it's just going to be a name calling session again.
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http://typology.people-press.org/typology/
From 2005. Caught my eye.
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Wide
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I'd consider myself to be a #5 as well.
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i'm a anarchist, i can't say were i am because "they" are looking for me. :noid
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None of the above.
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gun totin lib.
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Centrist, sometimes leaning one way or the other depending on the subject at hand
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http://typology.people-press.org/typology/
From 2005. Caught my eye.
kind of close:
Enterpriser
Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Enterpriser typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.
Enterprisers represent 9 percent of the American public, and 10 percent of registered voters.
Basic Description
As in previous studies conducted in 1987, 1994 and 1999, this extremely partisan Republican group’s politics are driven by a belief in the free enterprise system and social values that reflect a conservative agenda. Enterprisers are also the strongest backers of an assertive foreign policy, which includes nearly unanimous support for the war in Iraq and strong support for such anti-terrorism efforts as the Patriot Act.
Defining Values
Assertive on foreign policy and patriotic; anti-regulation and pro-business; very little support for government help to the poor; strong belief that individuals are responsible for their own well being. Conservative on social issues such as gay marriage, but not much more religious than the nation as a whole. Very satisfied with personal financial situation.
Who They Are
Predominantly white (91%), male (76%) and financially well-off (62% have household incomes of at least $50,000, compared with 40% nationwide). Nearly half (46%) have a college degree, and 77% are married. Nearly a quarter (23%) are themselves military veterans. Only 10% are under age 30.
Lifestyle Notes
59% report having a gun in their homes; 53% trade stocks and bonds in the stock market, and 30% are small business owners – all of which are the highest percentages among typology groups. 48% attend church weekly; 36% attend bible study or prayer group meetings.
2004 Election
Bush 92%, Kerry 1%. Bush’s most reliable supporters (just 4% of Enterprisers did not vote)
Party ID
81% Republican, 18% Independent/No Preference, 1% Democrat (98% Rep/LeanRep)
Media Use
Enterprisers follow news about government and politics more closely than any other group, and exhibit the most knowledge about world affairs. The Fox News Channel is their primary source of news (46% cite it as a main source) followed by newspapers (42%) radio (31%) and the internet (26%)
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http://typology.people-press.org/typology/
From 2005. Caught my eye.
Conservative Democrat by that test. Coincidentally... that is also how I describe myself.
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Well, I hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
In short, I'm a libertarian with a strong belief in State's Rights and a conviction that, sadly, today's Federal government has far more power than it was ever intended to hold.
I'm drifting ever closer to the opinion that our present Federal government has become destructive of these ends.
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Well, I hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
In short, I'm a libertarian with a strong belief in State's Rights and a conviction that, sadly, today's Federal government has far more power than it was ever intended to hold.
I'm drifting ever closer to the opinion that our present Federal government has become destructive of these ends.
Welcome to the party.
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Enterpriser
Ditto for me too.
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#5 :rock :salute
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Well, I hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
In short, I'm a libertarian with a strong belief in State's Rights and a conviction that, sadly, today's Federal government has far more power than it was ever intended to hold.
I'm drifting ever closer to the opinion that our present Federal government has become destructive of these ends.
YEP :rock :rock :rock
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i would have to say .... Independent American :salute
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And here you have evidence of how polls are directed and pigeon holed.
"None of the above" should have at least been put in if nothing else.
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I have a wide (political) stance :eek:
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Buffalo?
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Toads description is as good as any for my beliefs. Better said than any test.
lazs
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I'm a libertarian. Liberty means that one owns oneself. In the US we do not own ourselfs, the 16th amendment procludes this. It's sort of like a pimp and 'ho relationship, if an empoyer wants to use our body he has to give a cut to uncle sam. And if we want to earn money we have to give a cut to uncle sam also, because uncle sam owns us. Maybe the motto of the IRS should be "squeak bettah have my money!"
The same can be said of property in the US. Nobody owns land in the US except uncle sam, we just rent it from him. Don't believe me? Stop paying the rent and see what happens.
The US is a fiefdom, just like every other country.
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SO what you're saying is that slavery was never abolished, just made more egalitarian?
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Yes and no. It was legally abolished for awhile, 1863 to 1913.
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See Rules #7, #5
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#4 with a twist
very much what i think of myself as is a fiscal conservative/social liberal, with a big dose of states rights
and a burning desire to vote into power anyone who would be for lessoning the gov's. power over our daily lives and bank acounts i also think that the gov should not be mixed in with the church on marriage, as this is a church area, they instead should be into the binding contract between two people that results from marriage. to do this they would have to change the tax code to not allow benifits for married people thus eliminating there need to decide weather it is between a man and a woman or two women.(not that i care why gay people want to get married, i just dont like tax money being spent to say it is okay, or not ok too do so, it is none of my bussiness) they need to do away with sin tax,because of the church and state thing as well, what right do they have too tell me what a sin is unless they had guidance from the church? i also think that the gov. stance on drivers licences is very wrong in that they say it is a privalige not a right to drive yet in this day and age most of the country cant get anywere without someone haveing to drive! just because it was not covered in the constitution 200 + years ago does not mean it is not the right of the people to move freely about the country!
there are alot of things no candidate or party can help me with but alass i must support one or the other until a better one comes along!
our gov. is not perfect and no candidate exist's that will suit my #4 with a twist, so i will vote McCain, and hope the next time we get to vote we will have better choices!
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#4 with a twist
very much what i think of myself as is a fiscal conservative/social liberal, with a big dose of states rights
and a burning desire to vote into power anyone who would be for lessoning the gov's. power over our daily lives and bank acounts i also think that the gov should not be mixed in with the church on marriage, as this is a church area, they instead should be into the binding contract between two people that results from marriage. to do this they would have to change the tax code to not allow benifits for married people thus eliminating there need to decide weather it is between a man and a woman or two women.(not that i care why gay people want to get married, i just dont like tax money being spent to say it is okay, or not ok too do so, it is none of my bussiness) they need to do away with sin tax,because of the church and state thing as well, what right do they have too tell me what a sin is unless they had guidance from the church? i also think that the gov. stance on drivers licences is very wrong in that they say it is a privalige not a right to drive yet in this day and age most of the country cant get anywere without someone haveing to drive! just because it was not covered in the constitution 200 + years ago does not mean it is not the right of the people to move freely about the country!
there are alot of things no candidate or party can help me with but alass i must support one or the other until a better one comes along!
our gov. is not perfect and no candidate exist's that will suit my #4 with a twist, so i will vote McCain, and hope the next time we get to vote we will have better choices!
Word. If I can bring myself to vote this year I'll write in Ron Paul. For the rest of the offices I'll vote libertarian, if not an option I'll abstain.
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The unfortunate flaw of democracy is that it is dependant on the dispassionate cognitive ability of the voter. Most people do not possess this. Over half of all adults never cognitively mature. Most people arrive at decisions bassackwards, their emotions dictate their choice and then they rationalize their decision, we see this all over this forum. Indeed studies show that most voters decide based on emotional influence. Politicians know this, that's why they allways blabber inane soundbites that are engineered to push emotional buttons. Also this is why Ron Paul was not popular, he tried to appeal to the voter's intellect using logic. Furthermore, most people do not trust their own cognitive abilities. If you explain some libertarian or constitutional standpoints to them they might reluctantly acknowledge that it makes sense, but then they'll say something like "yeah... but.. nah that's just crazy, you can't abolish fedral income tax." Logic is a truth that requires no searching, they can plainly see it, but they don't trust their own thinking, they defer that to the television.
Untill the majority of humans can subordinate their nature to logic, the product of national democracy will continue to disappoint.
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I thought Ron Paul would have been a super candidate! and on the dem. side Bill Richardson
but as you say people dont always pick the best choice for the job!
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The unfortunate flaw of democracy is that it is dependant on the dispassionate cognitive ability of the voter. Most people do not possess this. Over half of all adults never cognitively mature. Most people arrive at decisions bassackwards, their emotions dictate their choice and then they rationalize their decision, we see this all over this forum. Indeed studies show that most voters decide based on emotional influence. Politicians know this, that's why they allways blabber inane soundbites that are engineered to push emotional buttons. Also this is why Ron Paul was not popular, he tried to appeal to the voter's intellect using logic. Furthermore, most people do not trust their own cognitive abilities. If you explain some libertarian or constitutional standpoints to them they might reluctantly acknowledge that it makes sense, but then they'll say something like "yeah... but.. nah that's just crazy, you can't abolish fedral income tax." Logic is a truth that requires no searching, they can plainly see it, but they don't trust their own thinking, they defer that to the television.
Untill the majority of humans can subordinate their nature to logic, the product of national democracy will continue to disappoint.
Yep good thing we don't have one....................
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I thought Ron Paul would have been a super candidate! and on the dem. side Bill Richardson
but as you say people dont always pick the best choice for the job!
You really think we were given a choice?
That we actually got to pick?
Or were we given certain options by the PARTY's and told who we could vote for?
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Libertarian.
Ron Paul kept warning us that something was wrong with the banking system, but everyone just laughed at him. And who are we bailing out now with taxpayers money?
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Alas, The USA is not going realise it sorely needed Ron Paul until 18months into Billiarys' term. :(
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Alas, The USA is not going realise it sorely needed Ron Paul until 18months into Billiarys' term. :(
Fear not! Barack will raise taxes on producers, raise taxes on corporations (in other words, US) tighten up the money supply, end all trade agreements, and give us a proper recession :aok for once
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You really think we were given a choice?
That we actually got to pick?
Or were we given certain options by the PARTY's and told who we could vote for?
same outcome we didnt get those best suited for the job!
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Untill the majority of humans can subordinate their nature to logic, the product of national democracy will continue to disappoint.
Yep good thing we don't have one....................
technicality. Should be rephrased as:
"Until the majority of humans can subordinate their nature to logic, the product of what we have (whatever you call it) will continue to disappoint."
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Politics and Politicians should follow but one rule: Do NOT make anyone else's life worse.
Politics is about the acquisition of power. John McCain, Barak Obama, and Hilary Clinton are just iterations of the same ethos.
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Yep good thing we don't have one....................
technicality. Should be rephrased as:
"Until the majority of humans can subordinate their nature to logic, the product of what we have (whatever you call it) will continue to disappoint."
(whatever you call it) = Representative Republic
Note: from the pledge of allegiance "and to the Republic for which it stands"
The Founders looked at Democracy and didn't want it.
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With all the political threads going around and the debates over who is what (liberal, conservitive) I thought it might be interesting to learn about some of the more vocal people on the boards here. I'd like to know what you belive your political stance is and in addition to that what it is you do for a living, educational background, where you grew up, and where you live now. Might be interesting to see how the work you do and where you live translates into how you think about political matters.
I would suppose it might be easier to group it in 6 categories.
1. Liberal
2. Liberal with few conservative ideas
3. Liberal with some conservative ideas
4. Conservative with some liberal ideas
5. Conservative with few liberal ideas
6. Conservative
I'm a 5, grew up in SW Oklahoma, live in Virginia now. I'm an Electronic Technician (military trained) I am retired Coast Guard/Army and now work for Mackay Marine Communications as a bench tech, and field service engineer. I'm currently working on my degree in Electronic Engineering.
well, according to my squad co, i'm an F'in liberal........but i'm not that, or a conservitave.......i'm just a man with many many varied opinions.
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Depends on the issue
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WIDE, but I'm not gay.
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cap.. no one likes to admit they are a liberal it seems.. even that is a gray area with them.
If your many and varied "opinions" are liberal.. you are most likely a liberal. It is not complex.
lazs
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My husband calls me "liberal" if he seeks to offend me.
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There's more to it than just a left/right spectrum. There was a net-based test a while back with another dimension added, it's probably better than this 1-dimensional scaling.
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Take this test (http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html) to find out what you are.
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Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 80%.
(Please note: Scores falling on the Centrist border are counted as Centrist.)
LOL ~ I got the "YOU'RE A LIBERTARIAN!!!!!!!!!!!" message at the end. After having seen the homepage, I was wondering if perhaps every single test result would read with the same message at the end "CONGRATULATIONS!!!! YOU'RE A LIBERTARIAN!" :lol
I think I may take it a few more times with different answers :)
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I'm apparently related to Genghis Kahn
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First time
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj311/therealJBA/draw.png)
second with slight modifers
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj311/therealJBA/draw2.png)
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I'm apparently related to Genghis Kahn
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Actually that may not be a bad thing!
Some believe without him and his feud with Islam we would be speaking Arabic right now.
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I'm a centrist with libertarian leanings from when I took JBA's test. I think that is accurate.
I would be comfortable with Ron Paul as preisdent (though I still disagree with a few of his positions) and like minded people in Congress. It sould be noted that Paul himself is more centrist than pure Libertarian on issues like foreign trade and immigration.
Charon
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Mob rule ain't my bag.
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Think I might have been the only 18 year old in Scotland to vote for John Major's Conservatives in the general election of 1992. I haven't voted since. Now that I live 'over here', I don't consider it fair to vote in elections back home - a country I no longer live in (are you listening Sean Connery), and being a guest over here, I get to take what you lot decide and bloody well like it...
That said, if I were to vote, I'd be erring towards (gasp) one of the Dems. I'd refuse to vote for someone who could turn 80 in office. Retirement age should apply to the President.
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Well, I hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
In short, I'm a libertarian with a strong belief in State's Rights and a conviction that, sadly, today's Federal government has far more power than it was ever intended to hold.
I'm drifting ever closer to the opinion that our present Federal government has become destructive of these ends.
well its damm well time to abolish this whacked out power hungry government,BUT the new government will end up being the same way,
because power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately .
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power corrupts
Nope. We're all ready sufficiently corrupted prior to power's arrival on the scene.
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Power doesn't corrupt any more than guns kill people.
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kind of close:
Enterpriser
Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Enterpriser typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.
Enterprisers represent 9 percent of the American public, and 10 percent of registered voters.
Basic Description
As in previous studies conducted in 1987, 1994 and 1999, this extremely partisan Republican group’s politics are driven by a belief in the free enterprise system and social values that reflect a conservative agenda. Enterprisers are also the strongest backers of an assertive foreign policy, which includes nearly unanimous support for the war in Iraq and strong support for such anti-terrorism efforts as the Patriot Act.
Defining Values
Assertive on foreign policy and patriotic; anti-regulation and pro-business; very little support for government help to the poor; strong belief that individuals are responsible for their own well being. Conservative on social issues such as gay marriage, but not much more religious than the nation as a whole. Very satisfied with personal financial situation.
Who They Are
Predominantly white (91%), male (76%) and financially well-off (62% have household incomes of at least $50,000, compared with 40% nationwide). Nearly half (46%) have a college degree, and 77% are married. Nearly a quarter (23%) are themselves military veterans. Only 10% are under age 30.
Lifestyle Notes
59% report having a gun in their homes; 53% trade stocks and bonds in the stock market, and 30% are small business owners – all of which are the highest percentages among typology groups. 48% attend church weekly; 36% attend bible study or prayer group meetings.
2004 Election
Bush 92%, Kerry 1%. Bush’s most reliable supporters (just 4% of Enterprisers did not vote)
Party ID
81% Republican, 18% Independent/No Preference, 1% Democrat (98% Rep/LeanRep)
Media Use
Enterprisers follow news about government and politics more closely than any other group, and exhibit the most knowledge about world affairs. The Fox News Channel is their primary source of news (46% cite it as a main source) followed by newspapers (42%) radio (31%) and the internet (26%)
Me to
Enterpriser
Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Enterpriser typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.
Enterprisers represent 9 percent of the American public, and 10 percent of registered voters.
Basic Description
As in previous studies conducted in 1987, 1994 and 1999, this extremely partisan Republican group’s politics are driven by a belief in the free enterprise system and social values that reflect a conservative agenda. Enterprisers are also the strongest backers of an assertive foreign policy, which includes nearly unanimous support for the war in Iraq and strong support for such anti-terrorism efforts as the Patriot Act.
Defining Values
Assertive on foreign policy and patriotic; anti-regulation and pro-business; very little support for government help to the poor; strong belief that individuals are responsible for their own well being. Conservative on social issues such as gay marriage, but not much more religious than the nation as a whole. Very satisfied with personal financial situation.
Who They Are
Predominantly white (91%), male (76%) and financially well-off (62% have household incomes of at least $50,000, compared with 40% nationwide). Nearly half (46%) have a college degree, and 77% are married. Nearly a quarter (23%) are themselves military veterans. Only 10% are under age 30.
Lifestyle Notes
59% report having a gun in their homes; 53% trade stocks and bonds in the stock market, and 30% are small business owners – all of which are the highest percentages among typology groups. 48% attend church weekly; 36% attend bible study or prayer group meetings.
2004 Election
Bush 92%, Kerry 1%. Bush’s most reliable supporters (just 4% of Enterprisers did not vote)
Party ID
81% Republican, 18% Independent/No Preference, 1% Democrat (98% Rep/LeanRep)
Media Use
Enterprisers follow news about government and politics more closely than any other group, and exhibit the most knowledge about world affairs. The Fox News Channel is their primary source of news (46% cite it as a main source) followed by newspapers (42%) radio (31%) and the internet (26%).
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Senator Larry Craig's stance is apparently wide when groping for homosexual liaisons.
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Power doesn't corrupt any more than guns kill people.
well you maybe correct, but then again you may not be, a look at history will show what people do when they are in power.
now i do agree with you when you say guns don't kill people, but that it a different subject all together!!!
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I'd say #5.
I scored as this:
Social Conservative
Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Social Conservative typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.
Social Conservatives represent 11 percent of the American public, and 13 percent of registered voters.
Basic Description
One of three core Republican groups, Social Conservatives (along with Pro-Government Conservatives) are somewhat more religious than are Enterprisers. They are supportive of an assertive foreign policy and very conservative on social and cultural issues. In policy terms, they break from the Enterprisers in their cynical views of business, modest support for environmental and other regulation, and strong anti-immigrant sentiment.
Defining Values
Conservative on social issues ranging from gay marriage to abortion. Support an assertive foreign policy and oppose government aid for the needy, believing people need to make it on their own. Strongly worried about impact of immigrants on American society. More middle-of-the-road on economic and domestic policies, expressing some skepticism about business power and profits, and some support for government regulation to protect the environment. While not significantly better-off than the rest of the nation, most express strong feelings of financial satisfaction and security.
Who They Are
Predominantly white (91%), female (58%) and the oldest of all groups (average age is 52; 47% are 50 or older); nearly half live in the South. Most (53%) attend church weekly; 43% are white evangelical Protestants (double the national average of 21%).
Lifestyle Notes
56% report having a gun in their home, and 51% attend Bible study groups.
2004 Election
Bush 86%, Kerry 4%.
Party ID
82% Republican, 18% Independent/No Preference, 0% Democrat (97% Rep/LeanRep)
Media Use
Half of Social Conservatives cite newspapers as a main source of news; the Fox News Channel (34%) and network evening news (30%) are their major TV news sources.
With Xargos' test I ended in the upper left of the Libertarian scale.