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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: spit16nooby on April 04, 2008, 04:04:25 PM
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I'm making a quick reference chart for the 190-D9 against other planes and I was wondering what keyboard buttons I could use to represent positive, negative, and neutral comparison.
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"+", "-" and "=".
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What about if I used numbers like if 5 was = and 10 was much better and 1 was much worse
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:huh
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Here's my new invention...it's called a wheel. Neat let me go and invent the wheel too.
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For example my 190 is much faster than a Nik so in the chart it might say something like 9.3 or something. Also i'm making it for myself but I want it to be user friendly if anyone else wants to use it.
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Check the main paged help area.
There is already places you can go to compare climb turn acceleration, just about everything you need to know, from one plane to another.
You can even check 4 plane types.
its always interesting to see your favorite ride's performance, based on the three other planes that give you the most trouble.
For me, its as simple as seeing what "part" my plane can do the best, and using that to my advantage.
HERE may this aid you in your future.
http://members.shaw.ca/soda_p/models.htm
http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/guns/guns.htm
Most pages are not updated to the latest release, as some changes are still being made to correct bugs and errors.
Therefor, the 39 for example will not be shown in detail as this next patch will change it much in the coming days.
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Actually I am using the first two sights you listed to get this info. This is more of a quick reference sheet that you can look at real quick before you engage. For example a few nights ago I though that with wep I was faster than a la-7 at sea level turns out he is 4 mph faster. He got within d600 spayed some bullets and got lucky radiator hit.
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lolool to funny
netaces.org
learn the basics..dont swaet the details..."referring to a chart whiel in battle"..lolo thats funny
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I figured I would get made fun of for doing this. :cry I often underestimate enemy planes and end up getting killed. :( If you can't tell I'm pretty new to this game I just started in January. You'll be amazed one day when I kick your but while looking at my very informative chart. :O
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I figured I would get made fun of for doing this. :cry I often underestimate enemy planes and end up getting killed. :( If you can't tell I'm pretty new to this game I just started in January. You'll be amazed one day when I kick your but while looking at my very informative chart. :O
Most of the info you seek is already available at www.netaces.org Look for the DokGonzo plane comparisons.
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Here is the start of my chart that shows my most common opponets
190-D9 Comparison
This document compares the 190-D9 to other aircraft in Aces High. I would personally recommend printing and using it as a quick reference sheet to see what you can do against an enemy plane.
The Dora is compared with 5 being absolutely equal and up to ten you are that much better down to 0 being that much worse.
W= Wep
This Data comes from The Aces High™ Fighter Performance Comparison Site at http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php and Soda's Aircraft Evaluation Pages
Speed W. Speed Turn Rate1 Turn Rate 2 Climb W. Climb Rate Acceleration
P-51d 4.2 5.8 3.7 5.05 4.8 5.6 5.8
Spit 16 8.1 8.3 1.9 3.2 3.6 3.8 4.7
La-7 3.8 4.4 2.6 3.3 3.6 4.3 3.8
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I know about dokongonzo's sight I use it all the time he did a great job with it ,but I'm making something you print out and you can quickly see oh I can turn with that p-51 or maybe oh wait this turn fight won't work against this 109g-14. Those are just mere examples I'm not sure about the g-14
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as was allready (kinda) said...
quit worryin' about it.
after a year or two you just "know" the diff. plane strengths and weaknessess. becomes 2nd nature.
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It is pretty darn simple to keep track of in the 190D9. There is a very short list of non-perk planes that are faster than you from the deck to 15K (Typhoon RIGHT at 6K, LA7 below 8K, 109K4 above 5K, P51s start to edge you around 10K). There is a somewhat longer list of planes that challenge or exceed you in rate of climb at that alt band. (LA7/Ki-84 down low, Spit8/16/, 109G/K, C205 between 5-10K). There are several American planes that don't out-run, outclimb, or outaccelerate you but can definitely catch you in dives or similar E zoom climbs due to E-retention-Pony, P-38, Jug, and Corsair, watch out for this from LA7s and F6Fs too.
There also a very short list of fighters you turn with equitably with in a 190D9: Another D9, a 190A/F8, maybe a 190A-5 if you are clearly more skilled than the other pilot.
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You'll be amazed one day when I kick your but while looking at my very informative chart. :O
Will you be rolling 12-sided dice to determine the outcome of a fight as well?
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But... (I mean heck, do whatever you want that you feel will make you a better pilot, it's your time and you don't need to justify to anyone else) but how the heck are you going to represent in some meaningful fashion stuff like the fact that at 5K or less an LA7 has an edge in every department but that at 15 K the Dora will eat it's lunch?
Just wondering, is all...
<S>
Edit - If I was going to create a reference for use "in battle" it would be something more like this:
| A/c | V | Vw | TR | TRf | C | Cw |
| LA7 | - | - | - | - | - | + |
| LA7 | + | + | + | ^ | + | + |
| LA7 | + | + | + | ^ | + | + |
| P51D | + | + | + | + | + | + |
| P51D | + | + | = | = | - | * |
| P51D | + | + | + | + | + | + |
Where the upper row is at 20K, the middle at 12K, and the low row on the deck. And where the indicators were very simple -
^ greatly exceeds
+ exceeds
= on a par with
- more poorly
* pwnz!
Edit again - the indicators are not representative of how the Dora performs against the aircraft shown at the altitudes chosen ... but you guys knew that.
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Thank you Ghastly you actually answered my question without trying to beat the crap out of me.
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If you are turn fighting in a dora you are out of the planes element, unless you are dogfighting a heavy bomber...
Burning up E is not your friend in a d9. However, a dora can do 1-2 high speed turns with more nimble fighters. Once you get below 300 you have just lost your advantage though.
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I'm starting to think this is stupid myself. I kind of just started it because I was mad at myself for not realizing LA-7 was a little bit faster than me.
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I figured I would get made fun of for doing this. :cry I often underestimate enemy planes and end up getting killed. :( If you can't tell I'm pretty new to this game I just started in January. You'll be amazed one day when I kick your but while looking at my very informative chart. :O
Really? Remember, you can read "all of the charts you want." But, "it is the Indian, not the arrow". I can turn with most planes in a Ki61 without the use of flaps and it isn't modeled correctly. Sweet chart though!
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Thanks for the comment on the chart. :aok
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I was being sarcastic.
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Oh thanks anyway I was a bit happy while it lasted lol
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I'm making a quick reference chart for the 190-D9 against other planes and I was wondering what keyboard buttons I could use to represent positive, negative, and neutral comparison.
dont fly the 190 in the first place, prolly one of worst planes in game :D
-BigBOBCH
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190 is definately not worse plane in game. I'm amazed how people will judge planes on something like flat turns. Have you ever even flown the plane.
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190 is definately not worse plane in game. I'm amazed how people will judge planes on something like flat turns. Have you ever even flown the plane.
Posting the above after posting:
I figured I would get made fun of for doing this. :cry I often underestimate enemy planes and end up getting killed. :( If you can't tell I'm pretty new to this game I just started in January. You'll be amazed one day when I kick your but while looking at my very informative chart. :O
You're either cocky or a shades account. My guess is the latter and you got tangled in your own web.
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ZING!
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I figured I would get made fun of for doing this. :cry I often underestimate enemy planes and end up getting killed. :( If you can't tell I'm pretty new to this game I just started in January. You'll be amazed one day when I kick your but while looking at my very informative chart. :O
couple things you should understand, the plane is controlled by a person that is who you are fighting!
now the slower plane will always out turn the faster plane, no matter what! so yes a 190 can and will out turn a zero! if the zero is dropping with alot of speed and the 190 is low and slow!
another thing is the fact that the better shot will almost always win to the better stick! ALMOST
to check stats of planes while in flight is kinda whacked, you will find that you wont have enough time. youll end up checking stats in your chute,
anyways welcome to Aces High, just have fun!
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Check the main paged help area.
There is already places you can go to compare climb turn acceleration, just about everything you need to know, from one plane to another.
You can even check 4 plane types.
its always interesting to see your favorite ride's performance, based on the three other planes that give you the most trouble.
For me, its as simple as seeing what "part" my plane can do the best, and using that to my advantage.
HERE may this aid you in your future.
http://members.shaw.ca/soda_p/models.htm
http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/guns/guns.htm
Most pages are not updated to the latest release, as some changes are still being made to correct bugs and errors.
Therefor, the 39 for example will not be shown in detail as this next patch will change it much in the coming days.
who is that soda charactor!!!!!!!
he has obviously never met up with my 110c4b :furious
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Here is the start of my chart that shows my most common opponets
190-D9 Comparison
This document compares the 190-D9 to other aircraft in Aces High. I would personally recommend printing and using it as a quick reference sheet to see what you can do against an enemy plane.
The Dora is compared with 5 being absolutely equal and up to ten you are that much better down to 0 being that much worse.
W= Wep
This Data comes from The Aces High™ Fighter Performance Comparison Site at http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php and Soda's Aircraft Evaluation Pages
Speed W. Speed Turn Rate1 Turn Rate 2 Climb W. Climb Rate Acceleration
P-51d 4.2 5.8 3.7 5.05 4.8 5.6 5.8
Spit 16 8.1 8.3 1.9 3.2 3.6 3.8 4.7
La-7 3.8 4.4 2.6 3.3 3.6 4.3 3.8
Think fast. You are in a LALA and a P51D is 2K on your six closing in fast. Based on the chart, what should you do?
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Think fast. You are in a LALA and a P51D is 2K on your six closing in fast. Based on the chart, what should you do?
Hope that a rune of invulnerability appears in his path?
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For example my 190 is much faster than a Nik so in the chart it might say something like 9.3 or something. Also i'm making it for myself but I want it to be user friendly if anyone else wants to use it.
Are you racing or fighting. If fighting there are alot of other factors than speed.
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Are you racing or fighting. If fighting there are alot of other factors than speed.
You know of a lot of people that use the 190 for anything other than a race car?
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Sorry if I am repeating someone earlier, I am too lazy today to read all 3 pages.
Perfect situation charts such as you are talking about are not a great deal of help. Rarely in combat will you be in an apples to apples situation where plane X being 4 mph faster than plane y really comes into play. Relative energy is the important factor. While you are looking at your chart you are not seeing what he is doing that is affectin ghis energy relative to yours.
Having a working knowladge of the various planes is important yes but specifics that tight wont be worth the trouble to chart out in detail. You need to know that a P38 for example can zoom climb better than damned near anything out there so if on the merge he has dove 2k feet below you, dont think that just because you are fast as well you can just pull straight up and rope him. He will point his gawky looking monstrosity straight up and give you a .50cal enema before you can say WTF just Happened.
Knowing this little tidbit for example while flying you see him start his dive at about 3k out and you take an approiate action. Or you can be looking at your chart for the P38 column, look back up and say...."WTF did he go?" (answer being under the huge nose of your Dora and probably just pulling up for a nice belly shot through the floorboard of the soon to be distengrated Fokewulf.)
I understand what you are trying to accomplish bud. And I really do understand it. I am just trying to impress upon you that SA and reading energy has far more bearing on surving/winning than dry statistics.
Good Luck!
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ZING!
Notice who ISN'T posting after that? :)
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Think fast. You are in a LALA and a P51D is 2K on your six closing in fast. Based on the chart, what should you do?
i would chop throttle turn towards him,maybe a couple fakes this way and that to confuse him,then bank around just enough to give myself a lead shot and try to smoke his prettythang on the way by, the operative word here is TRY.
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i would chop throttle turn towards him,maybe a couple fakes this way and that to confuse him,then bank around just enough to give myself a lead shot and try to smoke his uncle on the way by, the operative word here is TRY.
It wont work. It is not in the chart
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But I'm not in a LA I'm in a 38 :P
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But I'm not in a LA I'm in a 38 :P
Sorry, the chart does not have anything about bombers. However, everyone knows that the best way to attack a buff is HO
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Sorry, the chart does not have anything about bombers. However, everyone knows that the best way to attack a buff is HO
:rofl
What if I am carrying torps...... I have developed a way to duct tape them on for when we want to flatten a town.
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:rofl
What if I am carrying torps...... I have developed a way to duct tape them on for when we want to flatten a town.
I'd still go HO. Torps are very hard to aim and you only get 2
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Maybe I've grown softer in my old age but instead of blasting the little kid for making his chart, he should at least be given a pat on the head for taking the time to learn. Something that quite a lot of players just don't seem to do these days, including a large number of posters in this thread. It's funny seeing quite a few dog pile on the kid when they themselves couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
ack-ack
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Maybe I've grown softer in my old age but instead of blasting the little kid for making his chart, he should at least be given a pat on the head for taking the time to learn. Something that quite a lot of players just don't seem to do these days, including a large number of posters in this thread. It's funny seeing quite a few dog pile on the kid when they themselves couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
ack-ack
You old softy you :devil
The kid is trying to learn... however he could develope quicker with a hands on approach. Instead of bombarding himself with so much technical information to prepare for a fight I believe he should fly the plane of his choice and experiment with it. Then go to TA (training arena) and ask for someone with experience in said aircraft to instruct him. From there he can enter the MA (main arena) and fly for experience. Maybe hook up with some folks with like aircraft and learn some from them also. Once he actually tangles with an adversary he'll figure out real soon that the info in front of his eyes will be all the info he can comprehend at one time. Multiply that by how many other enemy aircraft join in divided by how many friendlies join and uhh ohhh ummm.... you get the point. :aok
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It seems to me you'll be going from dying because you don't know your opponents plane to dying because you're looking at your chart.
A better idea might be to spend some time in each plane available to you.
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Maybe I've grown softer in my old age but instead of blasting the little kid for making his chart, he should at least be given a pat on the head for taking the time to learn. Something that quite a lot of players just don't seem to do these days, including a large number of posters in this thread. It's funny seeing quite a few dog pile on the kid when they themselves couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Actually I did a similiar thing back when I was new. Not as "sophisticated", but I made small tables with speed & climb rates of the most common fighters, printed it out and had it always at hand when flying.
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A better idea might be to spend some time in each plane available to you.
An even better idea is to find one plane with an excellent view long legs and good speed and spend a few months flying her until you know her well and the traits of the other planes will come to you through what you learn.
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...couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
I would HO the wet paper bag then run if that failed.
That's my strategery for fighting my way out of a wet paper bag and I'm sticking to it.