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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: McLovin1 on April 06, 2008, 01:47:56 PM
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Why dont we have catapults on the carriers? They had hydrolic catapults in WWII!
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We don't need them. You can get anything off the deck under it's own power.
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yes but it would be easier to get to speed and you wouldn't need flaps to get a F4F of the deck.
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I have noticed, there is cats on the front of the carrier, but it's you can't use them, you just takeoff over them.
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yes but it would be easier to get to speed and you wouldn't need flaps to get a F4F of the deck.
You need the help of flaps to get an F4F off deck? Wow...
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You need the help of flaps to get an F4F off deck? Wow...
its an F4 or F6 something but fully loaded its heavy
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NO...
If I can take a fully loaded lanc off a CV...you can take a fully loaded F6F off a CV...
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i want to see a video of the lanc thing
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Some of the F4Us could use the help.
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Back When 8 Player Was Around My Frind Took A B-17 Off, Too Bad A Damn Spit Shot Us Down!!!! :furious
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If Sax ever gets his 2000 lb.-rated centreline bomb rack on the F4U-1D/-4 there will probably be a need for the catapults.
And the fact that we can take fully loaded Lancs off a CV in the first place kinda bothers me...
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There are some buggy stuff with the new CV in fillms but here it is.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/lanc.ahf
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If Sax ever gets his 2000 lb.-rated centreline bomb rack on the F4U-1D/-4 there will probably be a need for the catapults.
now, i'm not an expert by any means...but if i recall correctly, that option was only used on land based corsairs.
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I think the 4000 lb. and 6000 lb. bomb loads were restricted to land-based F4U's but a single 2000 lb. bomb with 2x 500 ;b. bombs likely was not.
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Why dont we have catapults on the carriers? They had hydrolic catapults in WWII!
Only on British carriers as far as I recall. US and Japanese carriers didn't use catapults, but their fleet carriers were significantly larger than British fleet carriers.
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We have US carriers, though, right? I'm pretty sure at least one of the planes can't take off with its heaviest load. Maybe that's not a problem anymore, since the increase in ship speed (then again I think someone said the speed hadn't changed after all).
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yes but it would be easier to get to speed and you wouldn't need flaps to get a F4F of the deck.
Um... :huh
I never ever need flaps for that, ever.
Some of the F4Us could use the help.
Moot, I ususally back my 100% fuel 2 x 1K bombs and rocket laden coursair up. Ill back it up to the arresting cables as far back as I can get. After that, there is sufficient deck length to get airborne with a little WEP and a notch of flaps just befor ethe end of the deck. :aok
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Um... :huh
I never ever need flaps for that, ever.
Moot, I ususally back my 100% fuel 2 x 1K bombs and rocket laden coursair up. Ill back it up to the arresting cables as far back as I can get. After that, there is sufficient deck length to get airborne with a little WEP and a notch of flaps just befor ethe end of the deck. :aok
I've haven't had any problems taking up a fully loaded corsair from a CV. 2 notches of flaps & WEP. F6, F4U are even easier.
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Only on British carriers as far as I recall. US and Japanese carriers didn't use catapults, but their fleet carriers were significantly larger than British fleet carriers.
actualy american carriers such as the enterprise had catapualts, after it was refiteded thow
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If I can get a damaged B24, with only 3 engines, off the deck then you can get a fully loaded F6F or F4U off the deck.
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That's a great comparison :lol
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You can take off and land anything on the CV. Since H2H went away you can only land a 163 as the launch dolly drops away when taking off.
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Only on British carriers as far as I recall. US and Japanese carriers didn't use catapults, but their fleet carriers were significantly larger than British fleet carriers.
Hello Karnak,
I actually came across some info in Battle 360 the other day. The Enterprise was fitted with catapults in late 43 to augment her abilities. Anyone have a concrete source of info on this?
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We use the full length of the ship to take off. But in WWII they only used 1/2 of the ship to take off.
So Unless the make it so planes dont spawn on top of each other, then we really dont need them.
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Gentlemen, all Essex class CVs were fitted with bow cats. All Yorktown class (including Enterprise and Hornet) were originally built with hanger deck cats. These were later removed and Enterprise was fitted with bow cats, as was Saratoga.
By 1945, getting a cat shot was as common as a deck run. Crowded decks and heavily loaded aircraft meant that there was not enough open deck to get airborne. Thus, for a large strike force, catapult launches were standard until there was enough empty deck space. Catapults were fitted to CVs, CVLs and CVEs.
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/k05000/k05339.jpg)
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g410000/g416686.jpg)
Did you folks know that some US carriers were fitted with bow arresting gear? Part of these carrier's work-ups included recovering aircraft while the ship steamed backwards. This installation was to allow the recovery of aircraft should the aft flight deck be damaged by a crash or enemy action.
My regards,
Widewing
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Oh, and one more thing..
You do not need to back up on the carrier deck to get airborne. All you need to do is drop full flaps and use max power. Add WEP if it makes you more comfortable. Every carrier aircraft has been tested at max load and all get airborne without having to back up as long as you use full flaps.
I'm often amazed at how many players don't use flaps for landing either...
My regards,
Widewing
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Widewing speaks the truth...
His first photo is the same CV modeled in the game - the USS Randolph (CV-15) on her first cruise prior to being damaged by a kamikaze hit later in the month.
The second photo of the USS Sangamon (CVE-26), the first of four Sangamon class escort carriers, which were only 553' long and able to produce only a little more than 18 knots.
I think it would be fantastic to have the catapult modeled and CVEs introduced.
(Added) I just tested again.
1. Yes, you can launch the F6F-5 and F4Us with full ord and fuel using full flaps using auto-take off or manually.
2. The CV steams at the same speed it always has - 1,000 fpm (34.5 mph) unless making turns.
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I've never had any issues taking off with a fully loaded aircraft apart from my own errors.
A cat launch would be cool though.
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Um... :huh
I never ever need flaps for that, ever.
Moot, I ususally back my 100% fuel 2 x 1K bombs and rocket laden coursair up. Ill back it up to the arresting cables as far back as I can get. After that, there is sufficient deck length to get airborne with a little WEP and a notch of flaps just befor ethe end of the deck. :aok
how do you back it up?
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Carefuly.
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If you crack the throttle just a little bit, the aircraft will roll backwards (isn't it brakes or something to replicate locking them?). I encourage everyone to do this, as it gives me more time to lob rockets or cannon shells at them.
Catapults would only only interest me if we could launch Jeeps, PT boats, or sheep with them. Otherwise... meh, no thanks.
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Carefuly.
Zing :)
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I was foolin' around on the offline areana and was able to get a B-25C with 3/4 fuel and full bomb load off the carrier deck with 20% flaps, didn't have to back up the runway.
So i would think getting anything smaller off it would have no problem.
Was workin' on the B-17, but I think it's wingspan is too wide keep cliping the tower or running off the deck, let you know if I get that figured out. :lol
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we do need a package with droptank and 2 500
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I was foolin' around on the offline areana and was able to get a B-25C with 3/4 fuel and full bomb load off the carrier deck with 20% flaps, didn't have to back up the runway.
So i would think getting anything smaller off it would have no problem.
Was workin' on the B-17, but I think it's wingspan is too wide keep cliping the tower or running off the deck, let you know if I get that figured out. :lol
@ the 25C...I would assume that would be easier to do...I tried a B25H with 3 1000's and 25%, backed up as far as I could before ack hit me, and didn't get off...probably because of 75mm...
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Catapults would only only interest me if we could launch Jeeps, PT boats, or sheep with them. Otherwise... meh, no thanks.
:rofl :aok
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Did you folks know that some US carriers were fitted with bow arresting gear? Part of these carrier's work-ups included recovering aircraft while the ship steamed backwards. This installation was to allow the recovery of aircraft should the aft flight deck be damaged by a crash or enemy action.
The USS Essex recovering a TBM on the bow while steaming in reverse....
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/ReverseEssex.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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Any chance of getting an IJN CV like an Akagi or Shokaku class? Would add to any AVA event.
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ever heard of flaps?
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The USS Essex recovering a TBM on the bow while steaming in reverse....
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/ReverseEssex.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
cool, thanks :) Did the source you got that from say what was wrong with that TBM?
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Moot, I think its more to do with the carrier.
If you take a bomb to the stern aircraft deck you would be unable to recover aircraft. To counter this the Navy insalled arresting wires on the bow portion of the carrier deck.
Strip
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i bet this post is because he cant take a fully loaded F4u-1D off
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Strip you mean damage on the CV deck was the reason for the reverse landing?
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Strip you mean damage on the CV deck was the reason for the reverse landing?
They're landing going forward, the carrier is steaming backwards. :lol :devil :P
(just kidding Moot)
Where's the picture of the wildcat getting launched from the hanger deck cat? And, maybe I'm crazy, but I thought I read somewhere where cats were also installed at one point to launch out of the side of the hanger deck???
wrngway
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Look where you are positioned on the deck in comparison to the location of the catapults in AH.
I say add catapults if we move to where the location of the catapults.
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Why dont we have catapults on the carriers? They had hydrolic catapults in WWII!
It would be kinda good for the B25s that can take off from the carriers now in the Main Arenas, i cant get them off the carrier, but somehow, everybody else can. so, i dont really know rether its a good or bad idea
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It would be kinda good for the B25s that can take off from the carriers now in the Main Arenas, i cant get them off the carrier, but somehow, everybody else can. so, i dont really know rether its a good or bad idea
Thats a bug. B25's are not supposed to be enabled on the CVs and the bugs are usually fixed quickly so they will be gone soon.
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Thats a bug. B25's are not supposed to be enabled on the CVs and the bugs are usually fixed quickly so they will be gone soon.
Same with the P-39s, but those have been there awhile.
It would be kinda good for the B25s that can take off from the carriers now in the Main Arenas, i cant get them off the carrier, but somehow, everybody else can. so, i dont really know rether its a good or bad idea
Use full flaps and WEP. As soon as your wheels leave the carrier, put them up. As you get to speed above the ocean, slowly raise your flaps.
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Look where you are positioned on the deck in comparison to the location of the catapults in AH.
I say add catapults if we move to where the location of the catapults.
That's not a bad idea.
Enable the catapults, but make it so if you want to use them you taxi up. Otherwise you launch as per usual.
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Maybe have a "Tick-Box" that says "enable catapult launch"You need to click that and then taxi to the catapults and press Shift-H to put the hook into place
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Only on British carriers as far as I recall. US and Japanese carriers didn't use catapults, but their fleet carriers were significantly larger than British fleet carriers.
Then I guess these Jugs had RATO to get off in such short distance... :P
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RRGYXMs9n1s
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Only on British carriers as far as I recall. US and Japanese carriers didn't use catapults, but their fleet carriers were significantly larger than British fleet carriers.
All of the US Carriers had them.
2x on some of the Essex class CV's, 1x on others.
1x on CVL's
1x on CVE's (They about had to have them to launch the heavy Avengers).
Yorktown Class CV's even had one on the Hangar deck and could launch them out the side of the ship! This was later removed though to save weight.
The USS Essex recovering a TBM on the bow while steaming in reverse....
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/ReverseEssex.jpg)
Bit of triva for you - did you know ENTERPRISE (as well as the other Yorktown CV's) were designed to go almost as fast astern as they could go ahead? Onpther reason for their Bow arrestor wires.
<S>!
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Yorktown Class CV's even had one on the Hangar deck and could launch them out the side of the ship! This was later removed though to save weight.
I would like to see this.
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http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~drmiles/cv-12_hanger_deck_cat.html
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~drmiles/cv-12_hanger_deck_launch.html