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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LTARGlok on April 06, 2008, 10:11:56 PM
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Some folks in the arenas have asked about my Glock pistol. So here are some photos of it.
Here is an overview photo:
(http://i32.tinypic.com/211jxhc.jpg)
Note: I have not filed the serial number off the gun. I just blurred it out.
Here is a view from the top ( showing the custom stainless steel match barrel )
(http://i28.tinypic.com/mu98gg.jpg)
And here is another top view, this time showing the front of the barrel, and the two huge muzzle brake ports that it has:
(http://i26.tinypic.com/in7hiu.jpg)
And here is a view from the rear, showing the Crimson Trace Laser Grip Enhancement. Besides giving you a very bright laser aiming point, it also enhances the grip of the Glock substantially, allowing for a very firm and consistent grip. Note the button in the middle of the grip, which automatically turns on the laser when the gun is grabbed.
(http://i30.tinypic.com/x6efj7.jpg)
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Tupac forgot to grab his.
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Ok since i don't keep up with gun info. like i used to is there a reason the muzzle brake isn't enclosed to keep with the overall smooth square lines? Something to do with heat dispersion maybe? Also how reliable have you found it to be compared to other models? I've heard that glocks are supposed to be extremely reliable and easy to clean/disassemble. Nice looking piece. :aok
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ports are very bad on a persons hearing.. I don't really see much use for em in a puny nine mill either.
At the risk of making jesus angry I will say that I almost forgot how ugly plastic guns are.. especially around the trigger guard area.
Did you forget to put the flashlight on it for the photo?
lazs
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Ok since i don't keep up with gun info. like i used to is there a reason the muzzle brake isn't enclosed to keep with the overall smooth square lines? Something to do with heat dispersion maybe? Also how reliable have you found it to be compared to other models? I've heard that glocks are supposed to be extremely reliable and easy to clean/disassemble. Nice looking piece. :aok
I am a cop and I carry a glock 22 .40. I also was in the army and carried a berreta 9mm In my opinion the glock is the best ever made. Extremlly accurate (maybe it is b/c my shooting :lol) and by far lighter then the berreta, but that is a given. It has the stopping power a 9 doesn't. The only time I have seen a glock jam is b/c of the shooter limp wristing, or b/c of bad ammo. I have seen some glocks that literally weren't cleaned for at least 6 months after a day on the range, and shot fine without cleaning . I don't recommend that, but I have seen it. I guess it is all up to the erson holding th gun though. :salute
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I wonder if the ports would make for a more blinding flash for the shooter in a nighttime shooting incident.. like a home defense kind of scenario. I have to admit that I'm torn about lazer sighting. In this same nighttime home defense scenario if you haven't acquired your target all the lazer will serve to do is tell the bad guy where you are. I understand it would be a nice deterrent if one was painting a red dot on the bad guy's chest. Like I said.. I'm torn.
As for the gun itself, I think the extended barrel makes it look cobbled together... cheap and unpleasing to the eye. YMMV
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No one's made a laser that only turns on just before the hammer hits? I forgot the exact names of the mechanism.
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It's all in the eye of the beholder.
I don't worry about what a handgun looks like, just how effective and accurate it is.
It's nice to have a highly reputable dealer 3 blocks from the house...and they are very reasonable on ammo prices as well.
Nice photos LTARGlock...I'd hate to be the poor, dumb, bastage who breaks into your home at 3AM...that dude is going to get airconditioned!
ROX
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Only 1 Glock? Need at least 3. Match barrel is unneeded. Glock factory barrel is more than sufficient. Compensation in 9mm is not really necessary, but some people like it... Might as well go with a "C" model rather than the aftermarket barrel.
Terror
- Factory Certified Glock Armorer
- Owner: Glock26, Glock34, Glock37
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Plasticky guns......bah.
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No one's made a laser that only turns on just before the hammer hits? I forgot the exact names of the mechanism.
Wouldn't be that difficult, just rig up some sort of electronic padding on the trigger, possibly create a low volt nervous system loop. The laser would then only come on when the finger is on the trigger.
Lazs does bring up a good point with the ports on top of the barrel. I never really had a problem with 9mm's kicking so hard that I would need ports.
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The perfect Ltard gun...
You know not to shoot reloads through it right? Wouldn't want it to go boom on you, in the wrong way.
Any glock guys ever seen this This GLOCK KB faq? (http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html)
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GTO,
Nice article but a bit high on bias.
If you look at all of the pistol manufacturers they all say to use factory loads. It's pretty simple as the factory loads are set to a spec for the lowest common denominator in that caliber for the most part. The ammo makers want the ammo to be safe in all guns of that caliber. There are also hand loaders that think they can hot rod a round without pressure equipment and magnumize everyfreaking thing. Some also use loads that have a small powder level and inadvertently double charge a round. Sometimes the ammo manufacturer does as well, hence the overcharge of factory ammo alluded to in the article.
My glock barrels cover as much of the case as does my S&W sigma and most of my Colts. A couple of the colts have looser chamfering of the feed ramp. IMO the pix they had of the Glock barrels and the round in the chamber showed every one of the glocks rounds cocked slightly in the chamber.
Unless there has been some significant changes in chambering dimensions recently it's been my experience in 5 different glocks that the glock has the tightest chamber dimensions. If the case isn't sized properly it won't enter the chamber of a Glock yet falls into the chamber of my other weapons like the colts.
If you screw up the ammo of any brand gun it will have repercussions. Load safe, load to specs and load under the published max and you should have no trouble.
If you use hard cast lead you can shoot it in a glock as well. It just has to be a HARD cast lead mix, not mixed scrap or pure lead. I shot thousands in mine with no trouble whatsoever. Keep it clean too.
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GTO,
Nice article but a bit high on bias.
If you look at all of the pistol manufacturers they all say to use factory loads. It's pretty simple as the factory loads are set to a spec for the lowest common denominator in that caliber for the most part. The ammo makers want the ammo to be safe in all guns of that caliber. There are also hand loaders that think they can hot rod a round without pressure equipment and magnumize everyfreaking thing. Some also use loads that have a small powder level and inadvertently double charge a round. Sometimes the ammo manufacturer does as well, hence the overcharge of factory ammo alluded to in the article.
My glock barrels cover as much of the case as does my S&W sigma and most of my Colts. A couple of the colts have looser chamfering of the feed ramp. IMO the pix they had of the Glock barrels and the round in the chamber showed every one of the glocks rounds cocked slightly in the chamber.
Unless there has been some significant changes in chambering dimensions recently it's been my experience in 5 different glocks that the glock has the tightest chamber dimensions. If the case isn't sized properly it won't enter the chamber of a Glock yet falls into the chamber of my other weapons like the colts.
If you screw up the ammo of any brand gun it will have repercussions. Load safe, load to specs and load under the published max and you should have no trouble.
If you use hard cast lead you can shoot it in a glock as well. It just has to be a HARD cast lead mix, not mixed scrap or pure lead. I shot thousands in mine with no trouble whatsoever. Keep it clean too.
Mav,
I agree with everything you posted. Glocks are fine weapons. Even the guy who runs that site says so.
I was just throwing that up there trying to catch a fanatic or two.... :D
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Plasticky guns......bah.
:rofl :aok
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Plasticky guns......bah.
Yeah I know, no quality at all.......Go figure.
Mine. Heckler & Koch USP .45. I've shot lead rounds through it, only two rounds have failed to be fired. They were "Range ammo" (and not measured properly) and promptly exchanged 2 boxes for Winchester White box. The range no longer carries them because of too many similar incidents.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/Gun001.jpg)
IMO, the finest made (outside of Kimber).
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Ok since i don't keep up with gun info. like i used to is there a reason the muzzle brake isn't enclosed to keep with the overall smooth square lines? Something to do with heat dispersion maybe? Also how reliable have you found it to be compared to other models? I've heard that glocks are supposed to be extremely reliable and easy to clean/disassemble. Nice looking piece. :aok
Actually, you can buy models from Glock that do have the ports in a standard length barrel that still fits inside the slide. The slide then has to have holes in it to match up with the ports. The advantage of having an extra long barrel with the ports on the barrel sticking out the end of the slide is that you don't lose any velocity that you would normally get from the 4.5 inch barrel. These ports bleed off gasses, and thus will reduce velocity if the barrel length remains the same. By extending the length, you still get your full velocity, and the advantages of the muzzle brake too.
The gun still fits and draws fine in any Glock 17 holster that is open at the muzzle, as many designs are.
This is my second Glock pistol, and both have been super reliable. Never had any failures of any kind. My first one was a model 19, but I have big hands, and the model 17 fits me much better. There are so many pistols out like the Glock now, that I really cannot say that they have any real edge over any of them. The Springfield XD and the S&W M&P are both excellent pistols too.
Since the Glock has been out a lot longer, though, you can find more accessories for it to trick it out.
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I wonder if the ports would make for a more blinding flash for the shooter in a nighttime shooting incident.. like a home defense kind of scenario. I have to admit that I'm torn about lazer sighting. In this same nighttime home defense scenario if you haven't acquired your target all the lazer will serve to do is tell the bad guy where you are. I understand it would be a nice deterrent if one was painting a red dot on the bad guy's chest. Like I said.. I'm torn.
As for the gun itself, I think the extended barrel makes it look cobbled together... cheap and unpleasing to the eye. YMMV
I've not noticed any problem with flash. The better brands of self-defense ammo use very low flash powder these days. The ports do help to reduce muzzle flip, and also recoil to a lesser extent. I can recover from shots and shoot my Glock very fast.
The gun also has a super duty recoil guide and spring system inside it, with a total of 3 springs in the guide assembly to further absorb recoil. I shoot heavy +P+ law enforcement ammo in the gun, yet it is extremely easy to shoot.
The new barrel shoots better than my factory barrel did. It is very well finished and polished.
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Lazs does bring up a good point with the ports on top of the barrel. I never really had a problem with 9mm's kicking so hard that I would need ports.
My goal was to create a gun that could be shot faster than normal, due to quicker recovery between shots.
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My goal was to create a gun that could be shot faster than normal, due to quicker recovery between shots.
You going to start shooting http://www.idpa.com/ (http://www.idpa.com/) or http://www.uspsa.org/ (http://www.uspsa.org/)?
T
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The "C" models of Glocks have the built in compensators with slots cut in the top of the slide. Does reduce muzzle whip a fair bit, but you can't do any shooting from retention or else you'll catch the blast right in the face and bottom of the chin. Not good.
I see tons of Glocks in the middle east. Iraqi police are issued with them quite often, without holsters I might add until recently.
I use a G19 at work in Afghanistan, although I work for Sig as well, you take what you're given.
I used to run a range, www.theshootingedge.com. We shot more ammo there from winchester than any other public rental range in North America, so take what I'm saying in that context. We had more Glocks break than any other pistol there. I'm talking a dozen over the 2 years I was teaching courses there, with pics of every single one to prove it. Now sure there was only one catastrophic blow up, and most of the failures were the guide rails for the slide that are little metal tabs set into the plastic of the top of the receivers blowing out. But when in Canada, it's a year long process to get a pistol over the border and back for repair from Glock.
As an aside, not one 226 or 220 from Sig went down with anything other than worn out springs in the high tens of thousands of rounds count. I can also tell you on good authority that Canada's special forces JTF-2 has never had a 226 fail. Ask any Police department armourer how many Glocks he's seen KB.
So long as the round counts are kept under 20,000, I've found the Glocks to be reliable enough, and the G19's we are issued have stood up real well to the dust, and they are accurate enough. Something a Delta guy told me last time over - the G19 barrel is too short for ANY grain of hollow point to work effectively, as the velocity is too low for it to expand properly, or at all, so you're better of just using FMJ/Ball as you won't lose any penetrating power like you would with the non-expanding HP. He was actually making fun of the US Gov DSG plainclothes guys nearby when one was talking about his ammo loadout.
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Plain old Glock19 here. Nothing fancy. Shoots well enough for me and the HP bullets Ive recovered from the dirt berms seem pretty well mushroomed. Im not a professional killer and I dont plan on shooting 10,000 rounds a year from my Glock, as such I am confident in its ability to do what I need when I need it done without the rails failing or some other such catastophe.
Im certainly not aware of any undisclosed underground trend for Glocks to fail at an accellerated rate compared to equally used semis of other makes. Maybe there is research data avaliable. Might be interesting to see something other than a one off anecdotal heresy with photos to prove it.
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Actually this is well recorded on the net. I should have added that virtually ALL firearms save a couple brands had major failures on my range due to high use, and only one or two brands DIDN't. I can post hundreds of pics of not just Glocks, but Beretta's (locking lug breaking off nearly every 5000 rounds) and HK's etc.
Also, FYI, pulling rounds out of dirt is much different than human tissue, but I too have noticed the same thing after shooting into water barrels with my G26 and G19, the rounds did expand to what I thought was a pretty good diameter, but they also traveled much further than they would in a human torso.
Like you said Yeag, it doesn't matter as most guys will never exceed 1000 rounds much less 100,000 unless they shoot us much we do for work/sport. It's the training and not the tool, although certain tools will work better in certain hands. For me, nothing fits my hand and points better than a G19/17 or a 1911.
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Too bad you didn't take your name from large naked breasts.
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Too bad you didn't take your name from large naked breasts.
Why are you trying to bait me with such an insulting remark???
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Actually this is well recorded on the net.
Internet lore is hardly a trustworthy source of information.
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Why are you trying to bait me with such an insulting remark???
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yeah..... it was a joke. Welcome to the O'Club :rolleyes:
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yeah..... it was a joke. Welcome to the O'Club :rolleyes:
But you are not explaining here why you posted your remark.
What was the point that you were trying to communicate by saying such a thing??
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I know two cops with broken glocks.. I have seen several jam.. all autos jam if you don't hold em just right. even at the range. if you really need em.. you might not be holding em right.. all autos jam if you push em into someone first (out of battery).
As for accurate? The glocks I seen must not be fired by good shots. I have never seen one that would outshoot my revolvers or 1911 Kimber.. not at 25 or 50 or 100 yards. the guy did do some impressive stuff at 7 yards tho.
I don't look at shooting as a race. not for fun and not for anything serious.. It is best to hit what you aim at.
I am unaware of any shooting where 8 guys were all double tapped by a lone high capcity mag pistolero.. I am aware of hig cap guys spraying as many as 36 rounds or.. two mags in the general vicinity of the bad guy with no hits.
I am not aware of anyone using a lazer sight or flashlight on a gun that ended the fight. At the range or out plinking.. they are both useless. for the house.. just embarassing.
I find ports on a 9mm to be odd.. it would be like me porting my K22 masterpiece in 22 long rifle.. except.. the K22 would be a nice looking gun ruined where the 9m is just an ugly gun made uglier.. and louder.
The sound of a gunshot is fairly easy to protect your ears from until you add ports. They will destroy your hearing.
lazs
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But you are not explaining here why you posted your remark.
What was the point that you were trying to communicate by saying such a thing??
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Capt Obvious to the rescue: he meant that IF your nickname had been something related to breasts, a post named "some Photos of my Namesake" would have hence contained a pic of female boobs.
No flame war would have ensued and everyone would have been very happy (with the exception of TXMom... and if she had been, there isn't anything wrong with that...)
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Actually this is well recorded on the net. I should have added that virtually ALL firearms save a couple brands had major failures on my range due to high use, and only one or two brands DIDN't. I can post hundreds of pics of not just Glocks, but Beretta's (locking lug breaking off nearly every 5000 rounds) and HK's etc
Several Glock models had a rail lug problem on a certain series of serial numbers from 2001-2002. See http://www.gssfonline.com/hot_topics/framerails.htm (http://www.gssfonline.com/hot_topics/framerails.htm) from the Glock Sport Shooting Foundation. Ended up being a machining problem with the machine that bent the rear rail lugs. It was making to sharp 90deg angle instead of a curving bend.
Terror
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Those brakes will cause a blinding flash at night. To help combat that try usiing Hornady TAP ammo.
I prefer my XD45.
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I am not aware of anyone using a lazer sight or flashlight on a gun that ended the fight. At the range or out plinking.. they are both useless. for the house.. just embarassing.
You're talking to one. Normally I'd agree with you, but in the PSD field, a new use for pistol mounted lasers, usually the internally mounted ones, surfaced. Most of the windows in our vehicles will only go down 2 or 3 inches due to the armor configuration, especially in the BMW's we used to use. When you have a threat at close range, the easiest way to deal with it we all found was to crack the window down as far as it would go, lase the target, and engage it. Understand that most if not all vehicles whether they were level 7 or level 1 armor do NOT have firing ports built in to their designs.
As for the weapon mounted lights, on a pistol, ya I agree I'd rather have my light source in my hand, since when entering an enclosed are, mainly rooms/etc, the easiest way to light it is to hit the roof with your light. The reflected light lights up the entire space usually, not just the direction you would normally point your light. Take that as your free tip of the day. This way you can have your weapon covering your Arc instead of pointing at the roof, haha.
Also, Re the Glock weak rails, this is what I was referring to earlier as to the net and weak Glock rails. It isn't just those years either, it is still a problem, although much less so. The bottom line IMO is that plastic pistols aren't designed to shoot 100,000 rounds over a year, and they shouldn't be expected to.
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gman.. I agree with you.. I was not looking at it from a military/police standpoint... for the rest of us.. the lazer is pretty useless and doesn't stop fights.. if we whip out the old pistol and laze someone...
That is called "brandishing" and it is frowned on. I would agree with you that if we could put a dot on bad guys it would stop the fight. It just doesn't happen to civilians is all.
Our vehicles are not armored and the windows go all the way down and.. we won't last long if we get in the habit of pointing guns out the window at people.. lazer or not.
I don't want crap hanging off my gun and I don't want anything on my gun that takes a battery.
Just like I like scopes but the rifle better still have fixed sights too.
lazs
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Capt Obvious to the rescue: he meant that IF your nickname had been something related to breasts, a post named "some Photos of my Namesake" would have hence contained a pic of female boobs.
No flame war would have ensued and everyone would have been very happy (with the exception of TXMom... and if she had been, there isn't anything wrong with that...)
Thank you Capt Obvious :salute
I own a Glock by the way, can we be friends? :D