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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Mister Fork on April 07, 2008, 09:47:57 AM
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Here's my list of vehicle prices for WWII. Can someone confirm my numbers?
Aircraft and Vehcile Price List
Aircraft
USA
A-20G ... $90,000
B-17G ... $147,000
B-24J ... $172,849
B-25C ... $95,000
B-25H ... $115,000
B-26B ... $120,000
C-47A ... $45,000
P-38G ... $68,457
P-38J ... $75,000
P-38L ... $78,000
P-39D ... $32,000
P-39Q ... $35,000
P-40B ... $25,000
P-40E ... $28,000
P-47D-11 ... $59,936
P-47D-25 ... $80,000
P-47D-40 ... $83,500
P-47N ... $87,000
P-51B ... $47,500
P51D ... $50,000
F4F-4 ... $45,500
FM-2 ... $49,000
F6F-5 ... $51,000
F4U-1 ... $59,000
F4U-1D ... $62,500
F4U-1C ... $65,500
F4U-4 ... $77,500
SBD-5 ... $78,500
TBM-3 ... $79,000
Britain
Boston MK III ... $89,000
Hurricane Mk I ... $22,725
Hurricane IIC ... $33,000
Hurricane IID ... $36,000
Lancaster III ... $146,500
Mosquito Mk VI ... $82,000
Spitfire Mk IA ... $25,565
Seafire IIC ... $49,500
Spitfire V ... $49,000
Spitfire VIII ... $52,000
Spitfire Mk IX ... $51,000
Spitfire Mk XIV ... $55,000
Spitfire Mk XVI ... $59,000
Tempest V ... $75,000
Typhoon IB ... 63,000
Soviet
Il-2 Type 3 ... $15,000
La-5FN ... $44,000
La-7 ... $52,000
Yak-9T ... $44,000
Yak-9U ... $47,000
Italy
C.202 ... $26,500
C.205 ... $39,000
Japan
A6M2 ... $26,000
A6M5b ... $39,000
B5N2 ... $39,500
D3A-1 ... $36,000
Ki-61 ... $39,000
Ki-84-la ... $57,500
Ki-67 ... $113,500
N1K2-J ... $52,500
Germany
Ar 234B ... $90,000
Bf 109E-4 ... $12,210
Bf 109F-4 ... $19,000
Bf 109G-2 ... $23,000
Bf 109G-6 ... $28,500
Bf 109G-14 ... $37,000
Bf 109K-4 ... $41,000
Bf 110C-4b ... $29,845
Bf 110G-2 ... $33,500
Fw 190A-5 ...$19,500
Fw 190A-8 ... $21,000
Fw 190D-9 ... $39,500
Fw 190F-8 ... $24,500
Ju 88A-4 ... $43,595
Me 262 ... $135.000
Me 163 ... $155,000
Ta 152H ... $41,950
Vehicles
USA
Jeep ... $500
LVT(A)2 ...$11,000
LVT(A)4 ...$12,500
M-3 Halftrack...$12,500
M-8 ...$15,500
M-16 ...$17,500
Sherman ... $33,500
Germany
Ostwind ... $19,000
Panzer IV Type H ... $25,500
SdKfz 251 .... $13,500
Tiger I ...$37,500
Wirbelwind ... $11,000
Soviet
T-34/76 ... $15,500
Ships
CV ... $700,000
PT Boat $12,000
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15k for an Il2?
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15k for an Il2?
I was wondering about that too. Heavily armed, heavily armored, no 'lil engine - and one of the cheapest planes around??
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Prolly a typo for 150k.
The F6F is in there twice.
Huge price on the 163...
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If you have actual prices, please let me know and I'll update. Just got a bunch for Germany and have updated it. :aok
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Are any of those outside the US even valid?
The Soviets were communist. They didn't "pay" for the plane. Stalin ordered it made, and it was made. The factories were sent the raw supplies, no money exchanged hands, as far as I know.
The German economy was in the crapper. DMs were so worthless after WW1 that they were used as toilet paper. At WW2 the DM had rebounded, but was still nowhere near what it used to be. Sure there were contracts made, but I wonder how much of them were actually paid off? I seem to recall some issues with work crews at factories not getting paid regularly, but it was better than no work at all. So, is listing US dollars really representative of what the real price was?
Those are just 2 nations. The rest probably have similar subjective situations.
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Are any of those outside the US even valid?
The Soviets were communist. They didn't "pay" for the plane. Stalin ordered it made, and it was made. The factories were sent the raw supplies, no money exchanged hands, as far as I know.
The German economy was in the crapper. DMs were so worthless after WW1 that they were used as toilet paper. At WW2 the DM had rebounded, but was still nowhere near what it used to be. Sure there were contracts made, but I wonder how much of them were actually paid off? I seem to recall some issues with work crews at factories not getting paid regularly, but it was better than no work at all. So, is listing US dollars really representative of what the real price was?
Those are just 2 nations. The rest probably have similar subjective situations.
1) Even planned state economies used money, though in sowemhat different ways. Every item had it's production cost and a "price", but it's very hard to translate it into a free market currency like USD.This is not only true for the Soviet Union, but for Nazi Germany too. Also the exchange rate was fixed and did not necessarily reflect any real value of produced goods.
2) The real reason DM was so utterly worthless after WWI: It was introduced in 1948 :D
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2) The real reason DM was so utterly worthless after WWI: It was introduced in 1948 :D
Well, whatever it was called before that point. I meant "the German monetary Unit"
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The actual total cost of a Spitfire Mk.I in 1940 was £9,848.19s.0d.
converted to today's money that's £282,861.84
£1 was approx $4 in 1940
not bad considering that for the spitfire fund back in 1940 the magic number
that towns were trying to raise for a whole spitfire was £5000
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Fw 190A-5 ...$19,500
Fw 190A-8 ... $21,000
Fw 190D-9 ... $39,500
I KNEW there had to be a a reason I like that aircraft series..."Rich people have rich ways and poor people have poor ways". :D
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try this Army Air Forces Statistical Digest
http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/aafsd/aafsd_list_of_tables_aircraftequipment.html (http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/aafsd/aafsd_list_of_tables_aircraftequipment.html)
table 82 Average Unit Cost of Airplanes Authorized, By Principal Model: Fiscal Years 1939 to 1945.....Page 134
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Well, whatever it was called before that point. I meant "the German monetary Unit"
Krusty,
you were close. It was called the Reichsmark, and was introduced in 1924 to slowly replace the currency that had previously collapsed. It was also on the gold standard with it's initial value a 1/4 of the US dollar.
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try this Army Air Forces Statistical Digest
http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/aafsd/aafsd_list_of_tables_aircraftequipment.html (http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/aafsd/aafsd_list_of_tables_aircraftequipment.html)
table 82 Average Unit Cost of Airplanes Authorized, By Principal Model: Fiscal Years 1939 to 1945.....Page 134
Thanks banzzai. I'll update the table. :aok
:salute
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Only 700k for a carrier? That seems low when most of the planes are running 50k a pop.
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And to think that after the war you could pick up a fighter for chump change. I think it was Bill Lear Jr, son of the Lear Jet founder, that bought a P-38 for $1500 when he was 18 just after the war. Mustangs went for roughly the same price. Ever seen the pics of bombers sitting on there nose in the scrap heap? :cry Bad enough to make a grown man like me cry. Today, you can't find many of these rare birds for less than a million. :cry Could you imagine one of todays punk 18 year old kids with a P-38? :rolleyes:
This is taken from another website:
"Before he entered Air Force pilot training in October 1948, he'd already flown a P-38 in two Bendix Trophy races. (Yes, you read that correctly!) There's a story going around that Bill flew his own P-38 into Randolph Field to report for duty'. The author denies this but describes his adventures as an ex-P38 pilot with over 1,000 hours flying time in a variety of aircraft as he submits to instructional training from Air Force pilots."
What a lucky SOB!!!!!!!
:salute
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So this being used in the new AVA war?
EDIT ------> Just noticed the F4U-1A isn't on the list, is it the same as the F4U-1??
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How could you put a price on an aircraft built by slave labor, like alot of the latewar German war-machines?
To make this really fair you would have to use a rating system; time to build, ease of production, use of raw materials, availability of materials.
Otherwise, it is pointless.
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You want a "price" for the first one or the last one off the line? You want that with or without guns etc? (the gov't deals with that part, mister) Which accounting standards you prefer?
Prices? Yeah, we got a whole *bucket* o' prices....
:rolleyes:
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Well, I have to say with the 163 that since it was a newer design during its time, it took way more to make it. With things like the engine especailly. But I dont know diddly squat about the 163.... my 2 cents.
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I would be surprised if any of the numbers in the original post are correct.
Production cost of a B-17G in 1943:
Airframe $127,069
Engines $38,483
Propellers $11,900
Electronics $9,040
Ordnance $6,342
Miscellaneous equipment $45,495
Total: $238,329
Source: Boeing Aircraft Since 1916, Peter M. Bowers, Naval Institute Press, 1989.
Production cost of a Ju 88A-5 in 1940:
Material cost: RM 141,996
Labour cost: RM 14,998
Miscellaneous (including profit):RM 39,831
Total: RM 196,825 ($46,863 in 1940's currency conversion)
Source: Junkers Flugzeug- und Motorenwerke AG audit report 1939/40, BArch R 8135/2548.
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could i have mine with nitro , underlighting and sports seats. Oh and cup holders?
On a serious note . remember to add inflation to the first figures. the guy above me quoted bigger numbers but is that in modern $$ or as the $$ were worth in 1943? on the spitfire note the rest of the money wa made up in old fences. Many a terraced street here in Wales have no fence out side their doors as they were nicked by the MoD in 1940.
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I'm afraid the Ta 152H is the only model available with Nitro, but select models of the 109F-4 comes with a cigar lighter!