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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundowner on April 09, 2008, 06:55:35 PM
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These people have got some brass is all I can say. :lol
(apologies if this is a repost,it's a pretty old article and a board search returned nada.)
Regards,
Sun
"A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to say Arizona's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state.
At a news conference, the legislators said Sonora - Arizona's southern neighbor, made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers here return to their hometowns without jobs or money.
The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of a business license.
Its intent is to eliminate or curtail the top draw for immigrants to this country - jobs..."
Full article:
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/border/74193.php
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The decline of the U.S. will be the same as the decline of the ancient Roman Empire. Poor people running across the border!
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Let the criminals return home. Maybe they'll straiten up their own country instead of destroying ours.
As long as Mexico is leaching off of us, they'll never get stronger.
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I hope when that delegation left for home, they took a few illegals with em! :t
LEGAL IMMIGRATION....no problem. ILLEGAL...no way. Zero tolerance.
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See Rule #7
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"A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to say Arizona's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state.
So.....?
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This means that TX, NM, and CA need to look at what AZ has done and emulate their laws regarding illegal immigrants.
Don't worry Mexico. I'm sure the bleeding hearts of CA will capitulate and open the borders so all Mexicans can have jobs here.
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Interesting story on CBS national news (IIRC) tonight said that US farmers were now starting farms in Mexico because they can't get enough temp farm workers on this side of the border.
I think getting tough on employers is great for illegals. I think that perhaps for farm labor there should be a streamlined process to allow for help in harvest season.
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There's nothing wrong with legal immigration.
Just kick out all the illegals and NEVER allow them re-entry. Ever.
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I think we need to give the Mexican Government aid to pay unemployment benefits for their returning refugees forced to relocate thanks to Arizona's Draconian regulations against employeers. It's the least we can do.
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Dred, there's already people taking down US flags, and crowding in support for "taking back the land that belongs to them" (or whatever). Imagine if Mexico was a state...
US farmers were now starting farms in Mexico because they can't get enough temp farm workers on this side of the border.
Wow, entrepreneurs adapting their plans to actualy comply with the laws, imagine that!
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The decline of the U.S. will be the same as the decline of the ancient Roman Empire. Poor people running across the border!
I thought it was Elephants?
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In response to the Thread Title......
TOUGH!
ROX
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Interesting story on CBS national news (IIRC) tonight said that US farmers were now starting farms in Mexico because they can't get enough temp farm workers on this side of the border.
I think getting tough on employers is great for illegals. I think that perhaps for farm labor there should be a streamlined process to allow for help in harvest season.
Umm, maybe we could put the welfare recipients to work. An honest days work for an honest days pay.
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Too bad lol.........
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I think we need to give the Mexican Government aid to pay unemployment benefits for their returning refugees forced to relocate thanks to Arizona's Draconian regulations against employeers. It's the least we can do.
Draconian....oh please.
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Maybe it's part of a larger picture to re-establish the old Mexico.
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Draconian....oh please.
Just a guess, but my Sarcasm-O-Meter was pegged when I read Airheads post.
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It would kinda be nice to see the Mexican Gov't do something along the lines of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
Granted it is a form of social welfare, but, it puts the unemployed to work building infrastructure while providing them with a steady job. Both sides win.
To be honest I wouldnt mind seeing something like the CCC instituted to take the place of our current sit-on-your-fat-ass-at-home welfare system. There are literally thousands of jobs the government (Federal, state and local) contracts out that require little or no training or skills. Mowing grass, picking up litter, washing .gov vehicles, painting, demolition (sledgehammer kind, not explosive). All these things could be done by people currently sitting on their butts drawing welfare.
Ok, rant off.
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Coshy.....but it's socialism. Socialism is a bad word on this board.
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We need to take care of Americans first and foremost. I hate anyone who takes resources away from our poor.
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Coshy.....but it's socialism. Socialism is a bad word on this board.
I know, I hesitated to post because of that. Of course, this could also be considered socialism: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Give me the power and I'd have the problem solved or GREATLY diminished in 72 hours.... The only traffic you'd see would be heading south across the border at INCREDIBLE speed.
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But when they return home, they are no longer illegal, so are the Mexican officials just upset about all the Mexicans hanging around?
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Imagine how well it would work if we just enforced the immigration act of 1986, but then how would all those business lobbyists justify their fees?
shamus
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But when they return home, they are no longer illegal, so are the Mexican officials just upset about all the Mexicans hanging around?
Your missing a key part of the article
"illegal Mexican workers here return to their hometowns without jobs or money"
Think I remember reading somewhere that Mexicos #1 import is the US dollar
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Your missing a key part of the article
No, I got that...
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It would kinda be nice to see the Mexican Gov't do something along the lines of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
Granted it is a form of social welfare, but, it puts the unemployed to work building infrastructure while providing them with a steady job. Both sides win.
To be honest I wouldnt mind seeing something like the CCC instituted to take the place of our current sit-on-your-fat-ass-at-home welfare system. There are literally thousands of jobs the government (Federal, state and local) contracts out that require little or no training or skills. Mowing grass, picking up litter, washing .gov vehicles, painting, demolition (sledgehammer kind, not explosive). All these things could be done by people currently sitting on their butts drawing welfare.
Ok, rant off.
When Reagan was the governor of california, this is what he did. Basically, he set up a program that said these lazy bums wouldn't draw a cent from Californian welfare money unless they were working for the government.
Of course, when Reagan left office "Common Sense" returned.
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Shouldn't that be "common cents" Laser? :lol
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This is in the news here in Virginia today.
WASHINGTON -- Dozens of Virginia immigrant-rights advocates marched to the steps of the Vatican's Washington liaison office yesterday seeking the pope's help regarding U.S. immigration policy.
"We are here because we believe our voice is not strong enough," Ricardo Juarez said in delivering a letter for Pope Benedict XVI. The pope, who arrives in Washington on Tuesday, is making the first papal visit to the U.S. in nine years.
Pointing to families who may soon be split apart because of a recent immigration roundup in Prince William County, Juarez said: "We are suffering a very bad situation."
Juarez is the coordinator of Mexicans Without Borders, the advocacy group that sent a letter to the pope asking him to intercede to "stop the division of our families by raids and deportations."
Behind Juarez, more than 40 immigrants and their families held signs that said "Stop Dividing Immigrant Families."
Federal immigration officials arrested more than 30 people suspected of being in the country illegally at CMC Concrete Construction near Manassas on March 24. A raid this week at Lansdowne Resort in Loudoun County resulted in 59 arrests of workers suspected of being illegal immigrants.
Several of those arrested and awaiting deportation hearings attended yesterday's rally in Washington.
"We want to tell [the pope], he can stop raids, stop separating families," said Diana Cortez, whose three children are U.S. citizens. Her husband faces deportation after being arrested during last month's raid, she said.
Other immigrant advocates said that despite the historic nature of the pontiff's visit, it likely will not change the congressional politics that last year dimmed any hopes for reforming immigration laws.
"I can do nothing, only pray [for] them," said Blanca Rodriguez of Manassas, who anticipates she'll have to say goodbye to several friends this month.
Officials at the Vatican's office declined to comment on the letter or whether the pontiff would speak about U.S. immigration policy, which largely affects families from Latin America -- a heavily Catholic population.
But a spokeswoman at the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops said the pope clearly has the American immigrant community in mind, which is why he recently taped part of his video remarks about this upcoming trip in Spanish.
"He's recognized already the presence of an important group in this country," said Mar Mu?oz-Visoso, a spokeswoman for the conference. But Benedict would not think it is "the pope's place" to comment on domestic policies, she added.
"The message is one of compassion, one of understanding the plea of immigrants . . . without taking anything from the rights of nations to create borders and defend those borders," Mu?oz-Visoso said.
If Benedict does speak about immigration during his White House meeting Wednesday or in Thursday's papal Mass at Nationals Park, it would not be the first time he touched on the subject.
In this year's annual message for the World Day of Migrants and Refugees on Jan. 13, the pope mentioned laws that can make life difficult for immigrants.
Speaking primarily about the plight of highly educated immigrants who struggle in new countries, the pontiff ended that day's message with a reference to keeping families united.
"I invite . . . host communities to welcome the young and very young people with their parents with sympathy," he said.
Contact Neil H. Simon at (202) 662-7669 or nsimon@mediageneral.com.
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Reunite them in Mexico :aok
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Mexican officials upset at illegals returning home,,,,,,EAT ME
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They break our laws and then don't want to suffer the consequences of their own actions? :rolleyes:
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No one said that there would not be a little pain in fixing this mess.
the government sponsored or.. condoned.. slavery that we have had so far was causing far more missery and pain over the years tho. it is time to fix the problem.. Az. has the right idea. all the other states doing this and, like I said years ago.. the problem will be over in a year or so.
The mexicans that will then come here can come on legal programs or immigrate. They will then have the full protection and benifiet of the law and be treated like humans instead of slaves.
Just like the 40 man/woman tomato harvesters of the past were replaced by two person.. so will other farm jobs. Farm work will be skilled equipment operator work.
Sorry.. no more cheap maids or tile jobs... clean your own yard or hire someone who has obeyed the laws.. there are plenty.
Once the prisons are emptied of illegals.. you will find very few mexicans in prison.. immigrants.. real immigrants.. are among the most law abiding.
Or.. you can just drag your feet and whine about every little bit of pain that is unavoidable and continue to support a vile form of slavery and human degradation that is illegal aliens.
lazs
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Pointing to families who may soon be split apart because of a recent immigration roundup in Prince William County, Juarez said: "We are suffering a very bad situation."
Yeah ,when you break the laws of this country and get caught families are split up.
Could have stayed together as a family in Mexico where they were not illegal.
The people we have in prisons here in the U.S. families are also split up. I don`t expect we will be pardoning the criminals from prison because their families are split up. In the case of illegals in our country who`s families have been split up due to their blatant disregard for our laws, I think we should do the right thing. We should arrange a program for transportation to allow conjugal visits.........in Mexico..one way.
It`s the price you pay when you break certain laws of our country.
Juarez is the coordinator of Mexicans Without Borders
The Mexicans without borders should locate and purchase a country quick. I`m sure they have just overlooked our borders on the map.
"We want to tell [the pope], he can stop raids, stop separating families,"
I don`t believe the Pope has been setting up and running many raids lately, but it`s nice of them to tell he can stop them if he decides to do so at a later date.
But a spokeswoman at the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops said the pope clearly has the American immigrant community in mind, which is why he recently taped part of his video remarks about this upcoming trip in Spanish.
Spanish? The Pope booked the wrong flight maybe?
But Benedict would not think it is "the pope's place" to comment on domestic policies, she added.
Not unless he legally files for and goes through the process of becoming a U.S. citizen, runs for and is elected to an office that deals with such things.
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