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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 12, 2008, 10:35:29 AM
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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8888028?source=rss
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Enjoy those taxes, Kali! :O
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Yay socialism!
We'll tax our way into prosperity!
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just like we've accepted that concept with tobacco," Beall said.
The problem is "We" haven't accepted it Mr. Beall. These are the guys that want to take over the health care system. They will then have the full and total legal authority to tell everyone what to drink, eat, and control any activity that might damage your health to protect the greater good of the system the public demanded.
Keep it up people :) Some of you are going willingly into the abyss, knowing full well that it won't affect you. Oddly enough, where is the tax on those sophisticated sissy drinks?
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Beall said the tax would generate $2 billion a year to fund health care services, crime prevention and programs to prevent underage drinking and addiction.
I'll bet the fillings in my teeth that the new tax will make ZERO impact on health care services, crime prevention etc. Those claims are just sop to make the public more acquiescent and accept the new tax.
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If your worked in the liquor industry you'd know just how pathetic people are when they're addicted to alcohol.
They've already started on smoking... the next biggest societal cost is the consumption of alcohol. Every Western society will one day end up making it hard for people to drink. It costs the community so much in health care and crime that it makes sense for them to come down on it.
It's going to happen everywhere, don't be surprised when it does.
I'm surprised they're not doing it gradually like they're doing in Australia. Slowly but surely beer prices are going up every quarter.
Soon enough people will simply not be able to afford to drink they way they used to.
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The only thing that socialist-minded liberals get from raising taxes is alleviating their sense of guilt.
I think it relates back to the very liberal concept of limited good. The gist of it is that if somebody has more than the average, then he's only acquired it through trickery or theivery. It's the mind set of career consumers, critics, editorialists or anybody else who spends more time talking and contemplating than doing and achieving. Producers know that the amount of wealth that can be generated is only limited by imagination and determination.
Ahhh guilt, the greatest taxable commodity of all.
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The New American way....if the goverment don't think its good for you ......Raise those taxes so high the people
can't aford it....like cigs.....and woolaaa....goverment has achieved its objective!! :furious
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Raise those taxes so that at some point, the only drunk rich people will be our leaders, but hey, they work hard so they have earned that right.
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If your worked in the liquor industry you'd know just how pathetic people are when they're addicted to alcohol.
They've already started on smoking... the next biggest societal cost is the consumption of alcohol. Every Western society will one day end up making it hard for people to drink. It costs the community so much in health care and crime that it makes sense for them to come down on it.
It's going to happen everywhere, don't be surprised when it does.
I'm surprised they're not doing it gradually like they're doing in Australia. Slowly but surely beer prices are going up every quarter.
Soon enough people will simply not be able to afford to drink they way they used to.
So... You're basically proposing to criminalize Alcohol, at least the behavior of it. People who are addicted to it are GOING to get it somehow. What you're suggesting is that they need to start stealing in order to fund their habit.
And when that's not enough, they'll make it themselves. They'll do this to maximize Alcohol content through all available means and throw safety to the wind.
Congratulations. Your socialistic methods have created real criminals, victimless criminals and accomplished little more than that, other than making it more expensive for everyone else.
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Since caffeine is bad for you I guess they'll want to raise the taxes on a soda 1500% too. Might as well add salty and fatty foods in as well. And when it's proven and accepted that cell phones cause cancer, their use should be taxed more.
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So... You're basically proposing to criminalize Alcohol, at least the behavior of it. People who are addicted to it are GOING to get it somehow. What you're suggesting is that they need to start stealing in order to fund their habit.
And when that's not enough, they'll make it themselves. They'll do this to maximize Alcohol content through all available means and throw safety to the wind.
Congratulations. Your socialistic methods have created real criminals, victimless criminals and accomplished little more than that, other than making it more expensive for everyone else.
This was Prohibition, in the 1920's-30's. It didn't work; it was repealed.
This, however, is a tax, not an outright outlawing. It actually might fly, if it get's the right amount/type of support. Think MADD( Mothers' Against Drunk Drivers) and other anti-alchohol groups.
Now, as most of you know, this is a minority of people. But, they might have alotta money to throw into any campaign to pass this tax. They will most likely emphasize the money going to things' like welfare, or Medical. This will appeal to a certain amount of the poorer welfare-type's. (Keep in mind, though, quite a few welfare dollars go into buying alky though!!)
I really think that there are too many people in this state that drink, that this would ever get past on a popular vote. However, many thought the same with Tobacco, and look how that turned out!
Gonna wait to see if it even makes' the ballot.
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Pffft, limousine liberal, he prolly drinks white wine
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I wonder how many people would start home brewing if that passes. What's he going to do, raise the taxes on hoppes, barley, yeast, and water?? I have a couple of friends that home brew and they make some AWSOME beer. My friend Josh has one hell of a set up out in his garage. He uses soda kegs for his beer and has one of those chest fridges he stores his beer in. He had 6 taps built into the side of the thing and always has at least 4 full kegs on tap at any given time. I love going over to his house.
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The New American way....if the goverment don't think its good for you ......Raise those taxes so high the people
can't aford it....like cigs.....
...........and fuel , groceries,transportation, materials and...........well hell......just about everything.
We are ,not so slowly, as of late, being put own our knees as citizens to the point of breaking. Best way I know for a overpowering, totalitarian entity to establish control over it`s population to the point of complete control.
Conform or perish.
Rose colored glasses can blind.
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If your worked in the liquor industry you'd know just how pathetic people are when they're addicted to alcohol.
They've already started on smoking... the next biggest societal cost is the consumption of alcohol. Every Western society will one day end up making it hard for people to drink. It costs the community so much in health care and crime that it makes sense for them to come down on it.
It's going to happen everywhere, don't be surprised when it does.
I'm surprised they're not doing it gradually like they're doing in Australia. Slowly but surely beer prices are going up every quarter.
Soon enough people will simply not be able to afford to drink they way they used to.
(stallone)what do you mean we dont eat salt?
(bulluck) salt is bad for you, everyone knows that ,therefore the wellness committee outlawed it, now every one is healthy :aok
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(stallone)what do you mean we dont eat salt?
(bulluck) salt is bad for you, everyone knows that ,therefore the wellness committee outlawed it, now every one is healthy :aok
Demolition Man
- Didn't they outlaw toilet paper in that movie too?
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Pffft, limousine liberal, he prolly drinks white wine
No... it's just politics. The California wine industry gives to campaigns.
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...........and fuel , groceries,transportation, materials and...........well hell......just about everything.
We are ,not so slowly, as of late, being put own our knees as citizens to the point of breaking. Best way I know for a overpowering, totalitarian entity to establish control over it`s population to the point of complete control.
Conform or perish.
Rose colored glasses can blind.
Here Here!!! :aok
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Taxation without representation other than someones whim and greed. Seems like noone minds if the minutemen turn over in their graves anymore.
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So... You're basically proposing to criminalize Alcohol, at least the behavior of it. People who are addicted to it are GOING to get it somehow. What you're suggesting is that they need to start stealing in order to fund their habit.
And when that's not enough, they'll make it themselves. They'll do this to maximize Alcohol content through all available means and throw safety to the wind.
Congratulations. Your socialistic methods have created real criminals, victimless criminals and accomplished little more than that, other than making it more expensive for everyone else.
With that logic we should legalise pot, methamphetamine and heroin
Tronsky
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Oddly enough Tronski, we should. Then the criminals will need to find some other disadvantaged minority to screw for their unreasonable profits, our prisons will have a lot more room in them and the cool bad boy risk factor will be greatly reduced for the younger generations.
Addicts will have easier access to aid programs and the Government will be able to more accurately monitor and treat areas of abuse.
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With that logic we should legalise pot, methamphetamine and heroin
Tronsky
Along with gambling and prostitution.
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Demolition Man
- Didn't they outlaw toilet paper in that movie too?
yea be cause it filled the landfill or something! lol
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With that logic we should legalise pot, methamphetamine and heroin
Tronsky
Except for DUI, we should. What crackheads do in their house is none of my business.
As well as legalizing it, it should stop being subsidized. You won't receive my money because you spend so much time in rehab and the hospital.
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raising taxes or making booz or anything else illegal mean only one thing, the moonshiners, bootleggers, smugglers get rich. JFK's daddy became rich smugging booz from Canada to the US during prohibition.
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Just wait. They did/are doing it with cigarettes. Red meat is on the chopping block next. Then will be alcohol. Before we know it we'll be eating soylent green.
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Seig Heil!!!
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crushing individual rights is a small price to pay for utopia. The end justifies the means.
lazs
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Taxation without representation other than someones whim and greed. Seems like noone minds if the minutemen turn over in their graves anymore.
Do you have any idea at all what that phrase means?? Were you awake in history class dealing with the 1770's?
FWIW, and I realize it's likely a wasted effort, the bill is being proposed by a legislator in the state of kaliphornia. That means he was ELECTED to that position by the PEOPLE of that district. This kind of fullfills the representation part since he represents the electorate that put him there don't you think? The Minutemen of the 1770's would have no complaint regarding the representation aspect of this situation.
Except for DUI, we should. What crackheads do in their house is none of my business.
As well as legalizing it, it should stop being subsidized. You won't receive my money because you spend so much time in rehab and the hospital.
You do realize that crackheads and any other addicts do not just stay in their houses. This addiction does have an impact on every other part of their life and their being "high" will not stop once they cross the threshold of their house. Dealing with the abuse of the substance, just like alcohol, will always be a function of society as long as the addicts remain in that society. Given the desire for universal medical coverage per the demos, they will have even more access to your tax dollars as will they wellfare dollars to maintain them in food, housing, etc. etc. since they can't be allowed to fade away. They are voters for crying out loud.
Just wait. They did/are doing it with cigarettes. Red meat is on the chopping block next. Then will be alcohol. Before we know it we'll be eating soylent green.
You do know what the significance of the tape and printed labels on both tobacco and alcohol products is don't you? Those are tax stamps indicating that the feds are getting their cut of the procedes of the sale of those items.
Blaming "them" for the situation won't get you anywhere as "they" are in the position that "they" are by your indulgence at the ballot box. If "they" are doing something you don't like, tell "them" about it and if "they" don't change vote "them" out.
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Maverick, most of what you've said is true. However, I'd like to point out that when you said this:
FWIW, and I realize it's likely a wasted effort, the bill is being proposed by a legislator in the state of kaliphornia. That means he was ELECTED to that position by the PEOPLE of that district. This kind of fullfills the representation part since he represents the electorate that put him there don't you think? The Minutemen of the 1770's would have no complaint regarding the representation aspect of this situation.
It reminded me that when legislator's wish to get bills' passed that seem unpalatable to the general public, they tack it on to something else that people really want, thereby forceing them to take the good with the bad. The tax would be hidden behind something like, oh, a bill lifting public ordinances behind drinking in a public park, for instance. It's just a dirty little legislative trick.
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Mavrick...with all due respect....I'm so sick of hereing we voted them in thing....like My greed post one guy said...the stock holders voted him in....
From now on, when you vote, and the ceo or politcian goes bad, I think you should got to jail too....you voted for them...you are responsible for that, so you go to
jail to!!!! Total bull crap...huh?? You like many others shift the blame on voters....and when the guy goes bad......its the voters fault....total joke
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Frode,
That section of my post was in direct response to the post that was quoted above it. It was not intended to be a general statement. Check the quote I had and you'll see what and who I was referring to. I quite agree about the tacking on of pork and other unpalitable items onto a bill. That is why we need line item veto options for the executive branch. We also need to have a requirement that each legislator that voted to add the bit of offending legislation should be named.
Kaw,
Please go back and look at the post I quoted above that section which you took offense to. It was also to a specific individual. I just decided to combine all of the responses into one post.
Having said that however we should do something as individuals to hold politicians feet to the fire. That means sending letters and actually voting rather than being apathetic and blaming "them" for everything. I am not saying you personally didn't but if a citizen doesn't vote you have no complaint about what the government does. You had your opportunity to speak and ignored it. In that case you deserve whatever happens. Again I am not speaking to you as a person but the general population.
Letters to the politician, letters to the editor and other means of communicating including using a lobby group that has the same interests as yourself will do something to help make the politician more representative of you vs ignoring them like the non voting citizen did.
As far as shifting blame is concerned you are out of line there. I wasn't talking at all about duplicity in the illegal acts of a politician at all but the legal and usual work the position entails. If a politician decides to take a bribe it's not the voters fault, it's the politicians fault.
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Quote from: james on April 12, 2008, 10:56:56 PM
Taxation without representation other than someones whim and greed. Seems like noone minds if the minutemen turn over in their graves anymore.
Quote from Maverick
Do you have any idea at all what that phrase means?? Were you awake in history class dealing with the 1770's?
FWIW, and I realize it's likely a wasted effort, the bill is being proposed by a legislator in the state of kaliphornia. That means he was ELECTED to that position by the PEOPLE of that district. This kind of fullfills the representation part since he represents the electorate that put him there don't you think? The Minutemen of the 1770's would have no complaint regarding the representation aspect of this situation.
To answer your question, yes I was awake during history class. It seems you were sleeping or maybe tired when reading my post to pick it apart and not really read into it yourself. Maybe this is what inspired the assumption that i was some 15 year old pimple popper. I'll explain myself at what I meant by reply so the LITERAL people out there might understand it since text sucks as far as relaying thought sometimes.
Taxation without representation other than someones whim and greed. This I know we are being represented and yes we voted them into office yet they are usuing that office by their whim and greed. I see the politicians backed by companies and see this situation as to question what beer company is backing this guy meaning the greed is there.
Seems like noone minds if the minutemen turn over in their graves anymore. These days the general public is letting these "elected people" do whatever they want. Yes we are being represented but look at what it is doing. I think the forefathers would be turning in their graves to see what goes on these days with the very same system they fought to make. Now is that so hard to understand without thinking someone was possibly sleeping in history class sir? Does this maybe shed some light on what i was trying to say? Some people seem like they gotta pick apart everyones replies to feel important i guess. <S> See you in the virtual air, of the game, on the internet, in what is called cyberspace literal people! :salute