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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ToeTag on April 13, 2008, 08:30:32 AM
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Ju 87G
With the G variant the aging airframe of the Ju 87 found new life as an anti-tank aircraft. This was the final operational version of the Stuka and was deployed on the Eastern Front starting in the early months of 1943. The Ju 87G was armed with two 37 mm cannons mounted in under-wing gondolas, each loaded with a 6-round magazine of armour piercing tungsten ammunition. With these weapons the Kanonenvogel ("cannon-bird"), as it was nicknamed, proved spectacularly successful at the hands of the Luftwaffe ace Hans-Ulrich Rudel. The G-1 was converted from older D-series airframes retaining the smaller wing but without the dive brakes. The G-2 was similar to the G-1 except using the extended wing of the D-5 with 208 G-2 new built and at least 22 more converted from D-3 airframes.
While still slow, its stable attitude, large wings and low stall speed were valuable in the acquisition of slow moving targets, such as assault boats and ground vehicles. The G-1 even influenced the design of the A-10 Thunderbolt II, with Hans Rudel's book, Stuka Pilot, being required reading for all members of the A-X project.
Can I please have the cannon bird... :devil.....!?
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Gee Vans your so helpful....... :rofl
Can anyone give an answer as to why this model is not available.... :O Someone that actually knows!?
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SEARCH BUTTON.
If everyone will search before post his wishes there will no posts at all :rofl
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Can anyone give an answer as to why this model is not available....
Only a hand full of 37mm and i don't think it was produced in great numbers. The 37mm was mainly used so destroying ships it would not do a thing to a tank.
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The 37mm was mainly used so destroying ships it would not do a thing to a tank.
Wanna make a little bet?
Try reading here.
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm
The remaining German guns were all adaptations of ground guns. The first was the 37 mm BK 3,7, a modified version of the FlaK 18 AA gun firing the same 37x263B ammunition. This meant that it was bulky, heavy and slow-firing by comparison with the NS-37, for example. It also remained clip-fed, with a maximum capacity of just 12 rounds. It mainly fired Hartkernmunition ammo, capable of penetrating up to 140 mm / 100 m / 90 degrees although this was halved at a striking angle of 60 degrees.
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The 37mm was mainly used so destroying ships it would not do a thing to a tank.
Wrong. The Ju-87G was specifically designed to hunt tanks, not ships.
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It mainly fired Hartkernmunition ammo, capable of penetrating up to 140 mm / 100 m / 90 degrees although this was halved at a striking angle of 60 degrees.
(http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8758/bk37ie0.jpg)
Armor penetration of that very "3,7cm Panzergranate mit Hartkern" at 100m and 600m respectively.
Y axis is armor thickness in mm, X axis is angle of impact.
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cartrige comparison
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/Pannono/50BMG20mmHispano23mmVYa30mmMk101NS3.jpg)
(L-R) .50 BMG, 20mm Hispano, 23mm VYa, 30mm MK 101, 37mm NS-37, 37mm BK-37, 40mm Vickers S
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/Pannono/20mmMG15130mmMK101BK37BK50BK75.jpg)
20mm MG151, 30mm MK101, 37mm BK-37, 50mm BK-50, 75mm BK-75
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O.K.Vansy Pansie we got graphs and shift. Show me some ship hitting photos. Also show me some photos of that remote controlled P-51 you were supposed to be flying in...... :rofl
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O.K.Vansy Pansie we got graphs and shift. Show me some ship hitting photos. Also show me some photos of that remote controlled P-51 you were supposed to be flying in...... :rofl
I have seen guncam footage that was clearly targeting small ships. The Ju87G was designed to be a tankbuster, though.
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oh my im not going to argue what it was used for, but yes iagree it would be a nice addition.
you know what i want?
a FREEKIN JU - 52!!! :rock :rock :rock
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Bring on the Ju87G!!! I will use it to HO IL-2's!!! :rock
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Bring on the Ju87G!!! I will use it to HO IL-2's!!! :rock
I will always think the B-24H is the ultimate HO plane, until we add the A-10 that is! :rock
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Bring on the Ju87G!!! I will use it to HO IL-2's!!! :rock
You will lose most of the time.
You do it now with Hurri D too? Because it's about the same. Two large cannons with low ROF and little ammo vs a much better armored plane (Il2) with much more ammo.
I will always think the B-24H is the ultimate HO plane
It isn't. A too big target, not maneuverable enough, and quite vulnerable at Head On's. Il2's, 110Gs, P47's, A8's better at this.
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(http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/4035/214fx4.jpg)
Pretty bad donut if you ask me. :rock :rock :rock
Unit: Stab/SG 2
Serial: <-+- (W.Nr.494193)
Pilot - Geschwader-Kommodore of SG 2 Oberstleutnant Hans Ulrich Rudel. East Front, 1944-1945. Anti-tank plane equipped with two 37 mm Flak 18 cannons.
Rudel was the most successful Stuka's pilot. He was 28 years old and colonel, when the war came end. According western sources Rudel finished the war gaining victories over 519 tanks, 800 trucks, 73 debarkations (of armoured barges), 9 airplanes in air combats, a number of trains, artillery pieces etc... This machine was often depicted with yellow chevron pointing at slat-edge of its left wing.
O.K. Vans apparently you were close barges count as ships...... :aok
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Only a hand full of 37mm and i don't think it was produced in great numbers. The 37mm was mainly used so destroying ships it would not do a thing to a tank.
totally and incompletely incorrect. Maybe you should try using the Search function...
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Rudel was the most successful Stuka's pilot. He was 28 years old and colonel, when the war came end. According western sources Rudel finished the war gaining victories over 519 tanks, 800 trucks, 73 debarkations (of armoured barges), 9 airplanes in air combats, a number of trains, artillery pieces etc... This machine was often depicted with yellow chevron pointing at slat-edge of its left wing.
You forgot the Russian battleship and multiple destroyers.
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JU.87G = tankbustin' goodness :aok
YES to this one.
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Maybe you should try using the Search function...
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Also show me some photos of that remote controlled P-51 you were supposed to be flying in...... :rofl
ZOMG vans is teh VOSS!!!!!
:noid :noid
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You forgot the Russian battleship and multiple destroyers.
Not in the 87g.
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Not in the 87g.
Right, but not all of his tank kills were in the 87G either. He also flew the 190F and 190D among others.
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Yes I want!!!!!!!!!!!
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learn how to use the Hurr IID and you wont need this :noid
i bet all the people that want this strafe panzers from direct sides with IL2 and complain that it does no damage
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with this Ju.87G the side hits would put a hurting on a tank. No need to find a sweet spot, or atleast it won't be a critical to find one.
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learn how to use the Hurr IID and you wont need this :noid
i bet all the people that want this strafe panzers from direct sides with IL2 and complain that it does no damage
I suggest you look up muzzle velocities on both cannons (hurri 40 vs stuka 37).
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How's the 75 mike mike on the B-25? :D
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How's the 75 mike mike on the B-25? :D
Pretty good considering you can kill a tiger or any other tank with one shot.
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Then the only reason I can see for the tank busting Stooka is to balance an historical setup featuring tanks. Hmmmmm .... hehe. Yeah, cool beans I say. :aok
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Pretty good considering you can kill a tiger or any other tank with one shot.
And get beaned with the main gun of said tanks. :cry
25 is cool but this is more agile.
MK IId is junk against Armour. I had engine, turret, and track hits from above @ the right distance......nothing happened to this tank. I can stop Panzers but rarely get a kill unless a GV helps and Tigers are a waste of time.
With the 87G the Tiger would be more vulnerable and other tanks would be 2 shots and a kill.. :rock :rock :rock
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And get beaned with the main gun of said tanks. :cry
Nope.
And get beaned with the main gun of said tanks. :cry
25 is cool but this is more agile.
MK IId is junk against Armour. I had engine, turret, and track hits from above @ the right distance......nothing happened to this tank. I can stop Panzers but rarely get a kill unless a GV helps and Tigers are a waste of time.
The IId is great against tanks. I can kill tigers with less then ten rounds from one.
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MK IId is junk against Armour
IID can kill any tank in AH2. The only one difficult to bust is T34, but it's still doable.
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IID can kill any tank in AH2. The only one difficult to bust is T34, but it's still doable.
Agreed. I haven't been able to kill any tanks with the B25h. I looked up the gun it has, it seems to have very bad armor penetration values.
It seems to be only good for lightly armored vehicles and open tops. But the problem with the open tops is that they are AAA's and find it easy to shoot down a slow big moving vulnerable flying tank.
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One hit kill everytime. :aok
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/tigervsB25.jpg)
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learn how to use the Hurr IID and you wont need this :noid
i bet all the people that want this strafe panzers from direct sides with IL2 and complain that it does no damage
The 37mm on the Ju-87G-1/2 would have no troubles taking out a panzer with a side shot or direct front shot. While the 37mm was considered a failure as a 37mm anti-tank weapon mounted on ground vehicles or as a towed anti-tank gun, the complete opposite was true when the Flak 18 37mm cannon was mounted on the Ju-87. Mounted on the Ju-87, the Flak 18 37mm became a devastating anti-tank weapon.
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Pretty good considering you can kill a tiger or any other tank with one shot.
Got to love these generalized over exaggerations.
What range did the B-25H fire it's cannon at the Tiger? Where did the 75mm rounds hit on the Tiger? Was the Tiger previously damaged?
ack-ack
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Agreed. I haven't been able to kill any tanks with the B25h. I looked up the gun it has, it seems to have very bad armor penetration values.
To kill a tank with the 75mm cannon on the B-25H, you have to be relatively close in when firing.
Firing from ranges of 600 yards or close, I can take out a panzer with a single shot. Usually coming in from the side or the rear gives a greater chance of the one shot kill but I've been able to take out a panzer with shots to the front but again, only at close ranges. Same with the T-34 and Tiger, have to be close in and mainly go for the rear engine compartment and not once have any of those hits killed a T-34 or Tiger with a single shot unless they've already been damaged. Usually it takes about 3-4 rounds to the rear engine of a T-34 or Tiger to kill it with the 75mm.
Unless TrueKill can produce a film him killing undamaged Tigers with one shot, I'm going to have to say it's a typical generalized over exaggeration on his part.
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Got to love these generalized over exaggerations.
What range did the B-25H fire it's cannon at the Tiger? Where did the 75mm rounds hit on the Tiger? Was the Tiger previously damaged?
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The B-25 can consistently and quite easily kill undamaged Tigers with one shot. There was a considerable debate about this after B-25 introduction but extensively testing (by myself as well as other sceptics) offline as well as in online arenas did prove it.
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learn how to use the Hurr IID and you wont need this :noid
i bet all the people that want this strafe panzers from direct sides with IL2 and complain that it does no damage
I know how to fly the HurriIID. I can generally kill a tank with one to two salvos (2 rounds per salvo). I'd still like to see the Ju87G. Variety is the spice of life.
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Do you really need to post that?
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To kill a tank with the 75mm cannon on the B-25H, you have to be relatively close in when firing.
Firing from ranges of 600 yards or close, I can take out a panzer with a single shot. Usually coming in from the side or the rear gives a greater chance of the one shot kill but I've been able to take out a panzer with shots to the front but again, only at close ranges. Same with the T-34 and Tiger, have to be close in and mainly go for the rear engine compartment and not once have any of those hits killed a T-34 or Tiger with a single shot unless they've already been damaged. Usually it takes about 3-4 rounds to the rear engine of a T-34 or Tiger to kill it with the 75mm.
Unless TrueKill can produce a film him killing undamaged Tigers with one shot, I'm going to have to say it's a typical generalized over exaggeration on his part.
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Can and have. :D
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Look at the pic. I went offline and took two shots. The first missed and the second made it go boom. If you want the film I can post it.
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Link to 1 shot tiger kills.
http://www.mediafire.com/?44gz6y3kcb3
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Nope.
I have done it countless times. It has also happened to me too.
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I have done it countless times. It has also happened to me too.
Thats because, as it is said, 'You're doing it wrong'. You need to come from a high angle of approach so you can penetrate the top armor. In doing this, you are also avoiding the main gun as it can not traverse all the way up.
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Thats because, as it is said, 'You're doing it wrong'. You need to come from a high angle of approach so you can penetrate the top armor. In doing this, you are also avoiding the main gun as it can not traverse all the way up.
Who pissed in your corn flakes?? I said it has happened to me...not it happens all the time :O But I still get lots of ops to kill newbs doing it. :devil
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Like he said you're doing it wrong. Iv only been killed once by a tanks main tank gun in a B25. That was when a sherman got on the the edge of one of mini hills and put his turret all the way up. I didnt notice what he was doing until it was to late. :)
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I've seen bronks video on tank busting. I know how its done.
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Until HTC decide to implement a realistic gunnery/damage model for GV's there is no need for 87g
A thread stated they could kill a Wirbelwind turret (16mm armor ) with a .45 handgun.
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bump :aok
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you DO know that bumpINg is against the forum rules, right?
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you DO know that bumpINg is against the forum rules, right?
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