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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hap on April 13, 2008, 08:35:02 AM
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0411/p99s01-duts.html
Sure do hope this is NOT the case.
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would not be suprised, but your source is abit iffy.
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A new report by The Times of London says that satellite photographs of a site in Iran indicate the location is being used to develop a ballistic missile that could reach most of continental Europe.
Not the United State's problem. Let the European Union get bullied by a fundamentalist country with nuclear capabilities for a while.
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It is not a suprise that they are actively pursuing longer and longer range missiles. They held military exercises a few months ago, and as the finale they launched a sounding rocket rather high. Rumor has it that they would have launched their next-generation ballistic missile if it had been ready and certain photographs of the launch ceremony seem to show weird smoke trails from more than one launch site indicating that they had more than one missile ready to go, but of course none of the media present would question what they were told even if they had the expertise to tell the difference between a sounding rocket and a ballistic missile.
The point is that everyone knows that they are developing a number of missiles (everything from anti-ship missiles to ballistic missiles with very long range) and they are firing up enough centrifuges to enrich uranium far beyond the level required for nuclear power plants. You do the math...
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Not the United State's problem. Let the European Union get bullied by a fundamentalist country with nuclear capabilities for a while.
Please inform your leaders of the same thing :lol
Maybe they could stop that "missile shield"
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Please inform your leaders of the same thing :lol
Maybe they could stop that "missile shield"
Why would you want to stop that?
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Why would you want to stop that?
Causes nothing but an arms race and tentions.
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would not be suprised, but your source is abit iffy.
Which one, the CSMonitor or the London Times?
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Causes nothing but an arms race and tentions.
Yep..........if you just ignore your threats or pretend they do not exist....they will go away.
Everyone should have ruby red slippers...............and rose colored glasses. :)
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Yep..........if you just ignore your threats or pretend they do not exist....they will go away.
Everyone should have ruby red slippers...............and rose colored glasses. :)
Was thinking the same thing.
Or maybe the UN should take a year of squableing to draft a strongly worded warning. Then another year to impose weak economic sanctions that will bw widely ignored and cause the world to blame the US for Iran to not have enough child vaccinations or something.
Quote of the day from Krouthammer
Since there will apparently be no disarming of Iran by pre-emption or by sanctions, we shall have to rely on deterrence to prevent the mullahs, some of whom are apocalyptic and messianic, from using nuclear weapons.
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Yep..........if you just ignore your threats or pretend they do not exist....they will go away.
Everyone should have ruby red slippers...............and rose colored glasses. :)
beats going to war over non excisting threats and poking others to stirr up trouble :)
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Hey Guns... check your PM's please. Thank you!
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beats going to war over non excisting threats
When has that ever happened before?
;)
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September 1, 1939. :P
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would not be suprised, but your source is abit iffy.
:rolleyes:
The CS monitor reported a UK Times report. Does this meet your standards? :rolleyes:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3724048.ece
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beats going to war over non excisting threats and poking others to stirr up trouble :)
Oh, there was a threat. It's just that we're fighting the threat in THEIR backyard, not ours. :salute :aok
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Not the United State's problem. Let the European Union get bullied by a fundamentalist country with nuclear capabilities for a while.
aah for sure? thats why Bush said in April 2008 about the planned missile defense system in Eastern Europe:
"The missile defense system is not aimed at Russia," Bush said at a news conference in Kiev following talks with the Ukrainian president. "It's viewed as an anti-Russian device. Well, it's not."
And some here talking about THEIR backyards, all i can say is thank you :/
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Not the United State's problem. Let the European Union get bullied by a fundamentalist country with nuclear capabilities for a while.
NATO? :huh :rock
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I forget who mentioned the "iffy source." The info is on the sketchy side -- not so much the facts but conclusions drawn from them. Or, the conclusions are as clear as a bell -- which I fancy they are. I think the Monitor writer mentions or alludes to the "not yet" quality of the conclusions as in "what else would they be doing all this for" (not part of either article, Times or CSM).
Yeah, the title to Churchill's book just popped to mind, "While England Slept." Not too different times??
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What invariably happens is the same group now saying you are jumping the gun will, after it is too late, ask why you didn't do anything to prevent it.
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aah for sure? thats why Bush said in April 2008 about the planned missile defense system in Eastern Europe:
"The missile defense system is not aimed at Russia," Bush said at a news conference in Kiev following talks with the Ukrainian president. "It's viewed as an anti-Russian device. Well, it's not."
And some here talking about THEIR backyards, all i can say is thank you :/
Do you expect men to swarm this planet and never look further than their own countries' frontiers?
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If you think that many of the leaders in Iran don't take this very seriously you will likely be rudely awakened, when it's too late to stop.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/09/28/do2804.xml
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If we take them at their word and actions, then its a no brainer.
It isn't possible its all bluster? That would be too good to be true.
What madness &/or evil.
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Ah, not too worry. This stuff is cyclical. Time goes by and people forget that there are stupid, evil people in the world.
Then Adolph invades Poland, tens of millions die, the winners swear "never again" and immediately begin to forget how it all started so innocuously last time.
Sooner or later some nutjob is going to pop some nukes. Going to happen; make book on it. It's unfortunately human nature. Said nutjob will have miscalculated, as they always do, and the lazyaxes of the world will get up off their duffs, swat the nutjob into mush and then swear "never again".
:)
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Ah, not too worry. This stuff is cyclical. Time goes by and people forget that there are stupid, evil people in the world.
Then Adolph invades Poland, tens of millions die, the winners swear "never again" and immediately begin to forget how it all started so innocuously last time.
Sooner or later some nutjob is going to pop some nukes. Going to happen; make book on it. It's unfortunately human nature. Said nutjob will have miscalculated, as they always do, and the lazyaxes of the world will get up off their duffs, swat the nutjob into mush and then swear "never again".
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Toad, do not forget the period of Appeasement. That people think a little back rub or reach around could make a dictator happy enough to stop what he wants to do.
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Ah, not too worry. This stuff is cyclical. Time goes by and people forget that there are stupid, evil people in the world.
Then Adolph invades Poland, tens of millions die, the winners swear "never again" and immediately begin to forget how it all started so innocuously last time.
Sooner or later some nutjob is going to pop some nukes. Going to happen; make book on it. It's unfortunately human nature. Said nutjob will have miscalculated, as they always do, and the lazyaxes of the world will get up off their duffs, swat the nutjob into mush and then swear "never again".
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True, Toad. Reading the original link, It looks' like the Iranian's are having some trouble with the Graphite exhaust vanes' that help direct thrust, and they're missile program is having some trouble. We'll have to wait and see what's gonna happen.
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Oh, there was a threat. It's just that we're fighting the threat in THEIR backyard, not ours.
Who's backyard? Last time I checked, Iraqi civilians are still getting it in the neck. That's a completely invalid argument, anyway. We had Afghanistan for a terrorist sink anyway... funnily enough we still have it. Seems plenty big enough for all the insurgents to congregate.
The day the Iranians begin to dig a hole for an ICBM launcher, is the day a few Trident subs open their missile doors. However, I understand ICBM missile building is pretty tricky, and even super-powers have problems getting it to work. So relax, don't worry, and enjoy the sunshine. Or continue to hand-wring, desperately comparing 1939 to 2008 any which way you can. Your choice! :aok
"We didn't start a war in time once, therefore we should always start one regardless of the circumstances at the slightest sniff of trouble!"
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beats going to war over non excisting threats and poking others to stirr up trouble :)
Yep........if there was a non-existing threat..................but on real ones such as Iran it`s better to keep on your toes and be a step ahead.
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The day the Iranians begin to dig a hole for an ICBM launcher, is the day a few Trident subs open their missile doors...
I think the Israelis would probably intervene before the U.S. (Remember the Iraqi nuclear reactor?)
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When has that ever happened before?
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Does "Thousands tons of WMD's in Iraq" ring a bell?
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President Bush decides to take a break and go out to sit in a local bar. A guy walks in and asks the barman, 'Isn't that President Bush sitting at the end of the bar?'
The bartender says, 'Yep, that's him.' So the guy walks over and says, 'Wow, this is a real honor! What are you doing in here?'
Bush says, ' I'm planning WW III.'
Then the guy says, 'Really? What's going to happen?'
Bush says, 'Well, I'm going to kill 140 million Muslims and one blonde with big tits.
The guy exclaimed, 'A blonde with big tits?
Why kill a blonde with big tits?'
Bush turns to the bartender and says,
'See, I told you, no one gives a toejam about the 140 million Muslims.'
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"We didn't start a war in time once, therefore we should always start one regardless of the circumstances at the slightest sniff of trouble!"
Good point, I obviously shouldn't worry so much. After all, it only cost the world ~72 million people that time. Shouldn't go over maybe ~3-400 mill once the nukes start flying around.
WIKI:
The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly 72 million people. The civilian toll was around 47 million, including 20 million deaths due to war related famine and disease. The military toll was about 25 million, including the deaths of about 4 million prisoners of war in captivity. The Allies lost approximately 61 million people, and the Axis powers lost 11 million
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There are too many people anyway. We could afford to lose a hundred million and not notice.
Seriously though, I find the constant bleating of 'Remember Chamberlain!' in response to any criticism of militarist policy or a call for diplomacy rather ironic.
The point about appeasement is that it defied rational thought, was embroiled in emotive over-reaction and used hindsight as a mechanism to set foreign policy.
The rush to war over the slightest issue defies rational thought, is embroiled in emotive over-reaction and uses hindsight as a mechanism to set foreign policy.
You're right... we haven't learned anything at all.
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Can't agree with your analysis.
I don't think appeasement defied rational thought at the time; in hindsight it did but (as always) the initial case could be and was made that the terms of the WW1 treaty were too harsh on Germany and thus many trouble signs could be overlooked or explained away.
I suppose the hindsight is that after the soon to be eclipsed bloodbath of WWI it was worth trying anything to avoid another world war? And this was also an emotive over-reaction?
The signs, signals and speech of the Iranians are very similar to the situation years prior to rollin' into Poland. Nutbag leaders with a divine right to rule rearming with the very latest in weaponry whilst :eek: plainly naming the Jews as a target for genocide?
Building more centrifuges isn't helping Iran appear less threatening to world peace.
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There are too many people anyway. We could afford to lose a hundred million and not notice.
Seriously though, I find the constant bleating of 'Remember Chamberlain!' in response to any criticism of militarist policy or a call for diplomacy rather ironic.
The point about appeasement is that it defied rational thought, was embroiled in emotive over-reaction and used hindsight as a mechanism to set foreign policy.
The rush to war over the slightest issue defies rational thought, is embroiled in emotive over-reaction and uses hindsight as a mechanism to set foreign policy.
You're right... we haven't learned anything at all.
If those hundred million happen to live in the contiguous united states I dont think you would be so glib.
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Well, you never know; he doesn't live in the US!
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ok, make it western Europe then.
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i'm not worried, obama said when he is prez he will just go and talk to them, he will tell them all about hope and promise and the world will be at peace.
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Dowding, are you sane? 100 mills, no nation or cultural cluster would bear that for quite a while.
The 72 millions of WW2 where the top victims were from the USSR and China surely caused a worldwide impact, still lasting and still causing trouble....
Anyway, always have a hunch that the Iranians are targeting the Danish press......
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Weeeeeeeeee
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There are too many people anyway. We could afford to lose a hundred million and not notice.
Don't worry, we are going to die with bilions , and Iranians will help with that:
From Isaiah 13:
12I will make mortal man scarcer than pure gold
And mankind than the gold of Ophir.
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Isaiah13:17
Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
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Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
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Medes
From Wikipedia, :
The Medes were an ancient Iranian people who lived in the northwestern portions of present-day Iran, and roughly the areas of present day Kurdistan, Hamedan, Tehran, Azerbaijan, Esfahan and Zanjan. This area was known in Greek as Media
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Gallus Little-us with a strain of Crackpotus Maximus. All hail Nostrabogus!
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Don't worry, we are going to die with bilions , and Iranians will help with that:
From Isaiah 13:
12I will make mortal man scarcer than pure gold
And mankind than the gold of Ophir.
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Isaiah13:17
Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
13:18
Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
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Medes
From Wikipedia, :
The Medes were an ancient Iranian people who lived in the northwestern portions of present-day Iran, and roughly the areas of present day Kurdistan, Hamedan, Tehran, Azerbaijan, Esfahan and Zanjan. This area was known in Greek as Media
from israel 2008, ;
if iran attacks us we will destroy iran.
that is not some ancient prophecy, that is now.
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Israel is singin' in the rain, they're SINGIN' in the rain... cuz last night Billary put the US nuke umbrella over them.
Bama kept the brolly closed though, so they better hope Billary wins.