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Title: Hows That!
Post by: Bruv119 on April 14, 2008, 04:09:29 PM
I make that 20 Axis airfields......


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c181/Bruv119/20x2.jpg)
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Motherland on April 14, 2008, 04:14:30 PM
...that have to be held till Thursday at 1200pm.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: storch on April 14, 2008, 04:23:17 PM
bruv have you become the eaglehrt of the AvA?  say it ain't so bruv!!!!
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: JagdTankker on April 14, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
from that pic it looks like the green weenies went allies for a day...... :D
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Motherland on April 14, 2008, 04:31:25 PM
bruv have you become the eaglehrt of the AvA?  say it ain't so bruv!!!!
Eaglehrt now FLIES in the AvA. At least, he was on a couple nights ago.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: storch on April 14, 2008, 04:36:05 PM
Eaglehrt now FLIES in the AvA. At least, he was on a couple nights ago.

it was really only a matter of time.  the condition within the arena is ripe for those types of players to start to fill the void left by the exodus of the better players
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: JagdTankker on April 14, 2008, 04:49:54 PM
the better players

the better players havn't left yet, only the non-being able to milk run/whiners left :D
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: ShoBizzz on April 14, 2008, 06:53:39 PM
Yeah i got shot down a lot today trying to defend the bases but its a bit hard to do when its 1 against 10. But I did what I could.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Bruv119 on April 15, 2008, 12:15:28 AM
Storch i can't believe you have the audacity to compare moi to him  :cry

I'm just enjoying the map and my squad are too.   I got hooked into this surreal world by a good bofb map and stinkin germans trying to bomb the promised land. 

Ok Hold them until Thursday  we will be in Paris by then, 

J'adore Aces High bon appetite

 :salute
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: lyric1 on April 15, 2008, 03:11:48 AM
Not out.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Bruv119 on April 15, 2008, 03:15:13 AM
lol lyric!!!

Goalposts are set now and theres no moving of the wicket.  I guess everyone wants the map gone anyhow. Was more fun when it was early war stuff.....

Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Larry on April 15, 2008, 03:23:36 AM
lol lyric!!!

Goalposts are set now and theres no moving of the wicket.  I guess everyone wants the map gone anyhow. Was more fun when it was early war stuff.....



I cant wait to see what happens when base capture is turned off.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Arlo on April 15, 2008, 03:27:21 AM
I get a feeling bases won't be captured as much .... call it intuition.  ;)
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Larry on April 15, 2008, 03:56:12 AM
I get a feeling bases won't be captured as much .... call it intuition.  ;)

You never know. There may be so many "Waaa I cant milk bases at 3am" threads that they turn it back on. :rock
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: araiguma on April 15, 2008, 03:59:07 AM
I have to hand it to the organization of the allies, especially the 353rd and the few.  Everynight when I come on (0900Z/1800I) they have been busy working down our side and rebuilding theirs. I tried to stem the flow, but it was to no avail. It doesn't take too many to make a difference.  It has been a challenge and a learning experience and despite getting pushed further and further back I don't mind giving it one more try each night.  <S>
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Bruv119 on April 15, 2008, 04:25:24 AM
araiguma your porking runs have been slightly annoying but once we took enough fields on the mainland it was just too much ground to cover to keep them porked.

Had to do quite a few re supply runs to get ords back.

I would suggest you de-ack the whole base then kill troops.  Thats the only way you would prevent further advance.  Could be a costly one in terms of lives lost though....
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Arlo on April 15, 2008, 04:28:24 AM
You never know. There may be so many "Waaa I cant milk bases at 3am" threads that they turn it back on. :rock

Or not. It's been discussed. ;)
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Arlo on April 15, 2008, 04:31:49 AM
I have to hand it to the organization of the allies, especially the 353rd and the few.  Everynight when I come on (0900Z/1800I) they have been busy working down our side and rebuilding theirs. I tried to stem the flow, but it was to no avail. It doesn't take too many to make a difference.  It has been a challenge and a learning experience and despite getting pushed further and further back I don't mind giving it one more try each night.  <S>

<S> for giving it your all. AND for showing a measure a class and grace here. I'd almost given up on such. Individuals can make a difference. And you weren't even forced to. Which makes the effort genuine. <S> again.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: araiguma on April 15, 2008, 04:41:48 AM
Well I guess it is porking that I'm doing, although I don't know what else to try that will slow your advance without being called such.  I'd prefer to consider it a night bombing campaign, but justifying it to myself doesn't change an opinion.  I really enjoy the weekends when there are some numbers on and I get to participate in missions.  I think the troops barracks are immune to any size bomb or I'd have hit them first and foremost.  <S>     
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Bruv119 on April 15, 2008, 04:47:50 AM
porking isn't a bad term it just means blowing stuff up.   "Milking" is what is referred to when no-one else is in the arena and your hitting/capturing stuff.  The guys who shy away from a fight and attack elsewhere at the slightest sight of an enemy. 

I won't deny the numbers have been lopsided in the Allies favour but when there has been opposition, we have had some fun fights.  Usually resulting in the Axis getting there arses shot down by our spits then logging off. 

Barracks are very easy to blow up and say you had a field totally de-acked you should be able to get the lot with a 110 cannon loadout.

It has been made harder to achieve recently by adding more of them and spreading them over the base.



Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: araiguma on April 15, 2008, 05:35:48 AM
Thanks for the advice, I shall try again to destroy a barracks tonight after I try and protect our one remaining Northern base by, as you say, porking everything around it :devil  I did get some minor opposition tonight, a spit flow by Gaidan (sp) who promptly shot my Stuka down <S>.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Gaidin on April 15, 2008, 07:21:03 AM
Well it was morning for me but  :salute

That was the only flight I had time for.  Hate having to work for a living.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: oakranger on April 15, 2008, 07:37:46 AM
I have to hand it to the organization of the allies, especially the 353rd and the few.  Everynight when I come on (0900Z/1800I) they have been busy working down our side and rebuilding theirs. I tried to stem the flow, but it was to no avail. It doesn't take too many to make a difference.  It has been a challenge and a learning experience and despite getting pushed further and further back I don't mind giving it one more try each night.  <S>

That is Exactly what the axis have been doing in the past.  Now we returen the favor.  Not fun is it.   BTW, i see that you are doing a little pork run right now.  Talking about the kettle calling the pot black
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Bruv119 on April 15, 2008, 07:44:22 AM
oak I think your way off the mark there. 

I didn't see anything accusational in his post  "It has been a challenge and a learning experience"  I think he is trying to say he has enjoyed being on the backfoot.

We hardly porked at all we just took the dam fields.  He has been doing it throughout the last week to try and stop us.

Next war we will probably be back in the MA so I wouldnt wind them up too much if I were you  ;)


Bruv
~S~
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: araiguma on April 15, 2008, 07:58:54 AM
I take no offense at Oak's comments and I guess when you pick a side the skeletons come with the wardrobe.  As for fun, well I don't think many folks like to loose, it's not in our nature; but I did sign up to have fun, preferably in a group environment, following some set of guidelines that were acceptable to everyone.  I am, as I previously posted trying to defend 70.  There are currently 2 allied players on but they have not tried to stop me yet.  My post was sincere and not meant to be snide or offending, if you took it that way I appologize.

[edit] I never did manage to destroy a barracks.  My last attempt resulted in both wings being considerably shortened, a fuel leak, and a rather tedious flight back to 70 on the remaining stubs.  I ran out of gas at my dar circle and had to bail out.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: apcampbell on April 15, 2008, 09:50:58 AM
I take no offense at Oak's comments and I guess when you pick a side the skeletons come with the wardrobe.  As for fun, well I don't think many folks like to loose, it's not in our nature; but I did sign up to have fun, preferably in a group environment, following some set of guidelines that were acceptable to everyone.  I am, as I previously posted trying to defend 70.  There are currently 2 allied players on but they have not tried to stop me yet.  My post was sincere and not meant to be snide or offending, if you took it that way I appologize.

[edit] I never did manage to destroy a barracks.  My last attempt resulted in both wings being considerably shortened, a fuel leak, and a rather tedious flight back to 70 on the remaining stubs.  I ran out of gas at my dar circle and had to bail out.

DOH! I hate that! I feel your pain d00d!
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Warmongo on April 15, 2008, 10:29:58 AM
I cant wait to see what happens when base capture is turned off.

I agree with TK in this one. Let's see who are the true pilots and squads after Base capture is turned off. I do not speak for my squad but I prefer dogfighting even though I know I still suck at it. For the others, they can go and bomb strats if that's what turns them on. I'll be glad to escort..... :salute
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Shifty on April 15, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
Last Friday after I was down in the FSO there were 18 Allied in the AVA vs 2 Axis. The Allieds some of which are my squadmates went straight into base capture mode. I logged off and came back later when the numbers evened out, I just can't do that crap. I've seen Axis squads doing it too.

Milk running is milk running doesn't matter what time of day or night full arena, empty arena, if you've got 2 to 1 odds and attcking bases... It's pretty much milk running no matter what side you fly on. Don't get me started on 10+ vs 1 or 2 odds.All this bragging about strategy, and acting like heros of the great war is all BS.  I look forward to the death of base capture as the way to win.

<S>
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Arlo on April 15, 2008, 06:38:42 PM
I look forward to the death of base capture as the way to win.

A-fuggin-men.  :t
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: 1redrum on April 16, 2008, 07:11:59 AM
Last Friday after I was down in the FSO there were 18 Allied in the AVA vs 2 Axis. The Allieds some of which are my squadmates went straight into base capture mode. I logged off and came back later when the numbers evened out, I just can't do that crap. I've seen Axis squads doing it too.

Milk running is milk running doesn't matter what time of day or night full arena, empty arena, if you've got 2 to 1 odds and attacking bases... It's pretty much milk running no matter what side you fly on. Don't get me started on 10+ vs 1 or 2 odds.All this bragging about strategy, and acting like heroes of the great war is all BS.  I look forward to the death of base capture as the way to win.


<S>

i would have to agree but to add this , i think that it is BS that the majority of Axis players bugged out for greener pastures , for whatever the real reason is ,because i sure don't believe "Ack hiding" had to do with it as i have seen plenty of that from the Axis side .And for the last 2 wars they had no problem killing AAA guns .The last 2 wars the Allied got the stuffing beat out of us ,but we did stay and support the arena a huge <S> to the Avengers and the rest who stayed and supported the arena truly they are men of a higher caliber than those that did not stay . And i for one am looking forward to the next experiment .win lose or draw i will stick it out but I will not commit to one side or the other, I will commit to keeping the odds as even as possible though.... :aok
and BTW i did enjoy the first two wars ,base capture is fun when the base is defended
and  i like biscuits    :O
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Larry on April 16, 2008, 07:59:49 AM
Last few wars we had to take a screen shot when we took a base showing more then fifteen people on and no more then 2:1 odds. Once that was gone the milkers showed up again. I dont mind being out numbered but when its 3-10:1 its not that fun. Every time Iv come on in the last week one side had 80-90% of the numbers so I just logged back off. Other then that some of us are getting bored with the same old setups every war. Thats why I went allied so I can try something different but that didnt last long.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: republic on April 16, 2008, 08:02:37 AM
because i sure don't believe "Ack hiding" had to do with it as i have seen plenty of that from the Axis side

Believe it, and perhaps the ones who left are the ones who don't rely on hiding in ack...thus you are left with axis ackhiders

The last 2 wars the Allied got the stuffing beat out of us ,but we did stay and support the arena

Hmm, during the first war the allies left at FinRus.  And then again in the last round because we got the 262 and all they got were tempests, C-hogs, etc...and we all know how worthless those are.  During the last war only a handful remained to defend Japan until the closing days when the blue plane guys came in with vengence.

Sauce for the goose.

a huge <S> to the Avengers

I agree :salute Avengers

base capture is fun

Awesome, there are 3 other arenas dedicated to nothing but base capture.  Which should mean the AvA can easily do without it.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Larry on April 16, 2008, 08:24:01 AM
Awesome, there are 3 other arenas dedicated to nothing but base capture.  Which should mean the AvA can easily do without it.
Four.  :cool:
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: republic on April 16, 2008, 09:11:23 AM
Four.  :cool:

lol you know us Okies, we're not so gud with the countin!
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: 1redrum on April 16, 2008, 09:21:18 AM


Hmm, during the first war the allies left at FinRus.  And then again in the last round because we got the 262 and all they got were tempests, C-hogs, etc...and we all know how worthless those are.  During the last war only a handful remained to defend Japan until the closing days when the blue plane guys came in with vengence.

Sauce for the goose.

I agree :salute Avengers

i disagree with you there some left yes but not to the extent that axis has bailed in this one ,now i don't fly everyday but i know what my experiance has been

and You all seamed to like the base capture well eough when it went your way , when it didn't ,  well we all know the rest of the storie .



Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: republic on April 16, 2008, 09:32:07 AM
and You all seamed to like the base capture well eough when it went your way , when it didn't ,  well we all know the rest of the storie .

I and most of JG-54 has hated base capture since the beginning, a quick forum search can prove that.  As for the other Axis squads, you'll have to ask them.

It's not that I'm not flying in the AvA because the Axis are losing, the reason I'm not flying is because the war has run its course and it's time for something new....it's just become no different than the MA with a limited planeset.  In the beginning there were great strategies and lots of other things, but now it's like 'speed capture'.  Take the ack down, take the town down, bail out, grab a goon...and repeat and repeat and repeat...

The last war I logged more hours in C47's and M3's ferrying goons than I did shooting things...that's enough to make anyone quit.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Larry on April 16, 2008, 09:52:57 AM
and You all seamed to like the base capture well eough when it went your way , when it didn't ,  well we all know the rest of the storie .


You mean when we had to show that other people were on when we took a base? Heres a look at the first two wars.

War #1
Round 1 - Allies
Round 2 - Allies
-Screenshots needed to show the numbers when a base was captured-
Round 3 - Axis
Round 4 - Axis
Round 5 - Axis

War #2
-Screen shots still needed-
Round 1 - Axis
Round 2 - Axis
Round 3 - Axis

Both wars would have been won in three rounds by the axis but there was one allied squad (who left the arena when the milking was diabled) who milked axis bases mid day while people were at work. Then that night we couldnt do anything because the rounds ended at 6PM.


As republic said JG54 has been against the whole base capture thing since day one but we played along since AvA was our home. How the settings are now its just like the EW or MW with the non stop milking.
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: storch on April 16, 2008, 09:58:27 AM
I wonder if redrum would like to step into the DA with me some time?
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: bongaroo on April 16, 2008, 10:40:19 AM
I stopped logging in when I realized that too many are taking this too seriously.

Why did they get rid of the screenshots needed for capture rule?  Did it make it too tough on the allies?
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: 1redrum on April 16, 2008, 12:36:58 PM
I wonder if redrum would like to step into the DA with me some time?

Sure i would , why wouldn't I , other than having some fun and maybe learning something useful ,,hell we had to move our squad night into the DA last night ,due to lack of enemy in the Ava , That's OK it was fun too
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: BarryBD on April 16, 2008, 04:44:27 PM

Both wars would have been won in three rounds by the axis but there was one allied squad (who left the arena when the milking was diabled) who milked axis bases mid day while people were at work. Then that night we couldnt do anything because the rounds ended at 6PM.




HMMM, ever considered that mid day at your place, is not mid day in central Europe...

Just like the events, on US timeframes, impossible hours for others...

I'm in for 3 weeks now, I joined Allies, I wanted to fight AVA, ...  Unfortunatly, I never meet those Super LW teams that don't hide in ACK, I only meet "the others", leaving when they are killed two times (some exeptions though).
So my (way too subjectif) conclusion might be : "axis players are ACK runners"

I'm just wondering, where are the non-ACK runners (I know, other timeframe... ;))

On side switching...1 tought : If you changed sides in 1940-45, and they caught you, all you could expect was a bullet.  So it's MY opinion (don't flame me because of my opinion, try to pursuade me with good arguments) that for 1 war, you should stay with 1 side, choosen at the beginning, not able to change for the duration of the war, (or just maybe once, deflectors and collaborators existed then too :D). Not even numbers... Do you think that the German Blitzkrieg was with even numbers?  They didn't look at a roster to see how many enemy's were fighting.

I remember a certain battle were the numbers were soooooooo off, but still one way or another, the minority won...
(I hereby salute the men who defended Bastogne at all cost :salute)


Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: captain1ma on April 17, 2008, 07:02:30 AM
well said barry, i flew AVA last night in a goon for 45 minutes, only to get wasted by a p51. Axis is down to about 8 bases now. i did what i could but its not my idea of fun, although oldman, fork and duke where in there. it was fun flying with them. just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: VonMessa on April 17, 2008, 07:17:17 AM
lol lyric!!!

Goalposts are set now and theres no moving of the wicket.  I guess everyone wants the map gone anyhow. Was more fun when it was early war stuff.....



Gone, gone, gone.  Can't wait til  it's gone.

Still, without The Few or the 353rd, we would be drinking Schnapps in London by now.  At least someone figured out how to have some (not much, but some) organization.  I was getting worried.

And regarding this map.......
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/obi-wan-mind-trick.jpg)

Buzz me when the new map is ready, the beer should be ready by then..
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/100_0810.jpg)

Front one is a Hefeweizen for the Axis fellas, the black, oily stuff in the back is a Stout for the allied boys

 :salute

Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: Larry on April 17, 2008, 07:21:39 AM
HMMM, ever considered that mid day at your place, is not mid day in central Europe...

Just like the events, on US timeframes, impossible hours for others...

I'm in for 3 weeks now, I joined Allies, I wanted to fight AVA, ...  Unfortunatly, I never meet those Super LW teams that don't hide in ACK, I only meet "the others", leaving when they are killed two times (some exeptions though).
So my (way too subjectif) conclusion might be : "axis players are ACK runners"

I'm just wondering, where are the non-ACK runners (I know, other timeframe... ;))

On side switching...1 tought : If you changed sides in 1940-45, and they caught you, all you could expect was a bullet.  So it's MY opinion (don't flame me because of my opinion, try to pursuade me with good arguments) that for 1 war, you should stay with 1 side, choosen at the beginning, not able to change for the duration of the war, (or just maybe once, deflectors and collaborators existed then too :D). Not even numbers... Do you think that the German Blitzkrieg was with even numbers?  They didn't look at a roster to see how many enemy's were fighting.

I remember a certain battle were the numbers were soooooooo off, but still one way or another, the minority won...
(I hereby salute the men who defended Bastogne at all cost :salute)




I guess since you think this is WWII and not a game you would want only one life per war to huh? The last two wars when I could get on while everyone was working the only others I found were mainly known milkers. As I said before one squad was in there milking base after base untill there was the screen shot rule.


As I said this is a game not WWII. Its ment to be fun. Some like to switch sides to even teams. AvA isnt a private arena you shouldnt have to wait excessive amounts of time to have fun.



Pssst btw france and italy changed side during the war. Why didnt they all get a bullet? Oh and one other thing "1939-1945".
Title: Re: Hows That!
Post by: BarryBD on April 17, 2008, 08:30:17 AM
I don't want to argue with you, but ...

I'm well aware that this is a game...

It's about setting rules in this (kind off) historical environment (game rules that is)

As said, in setting the game rules (just like basketball has lots of rules, and baseball and monopoly...) there is room for argumentation. 

1 live is hard, because you don't have enough replacements...

I only know this war-map... As said, I just passed my first three weeks...

Don't get me started on history though...  I don't see Poland, nor scandinavia on this map, and Holland, France and Belgium were only attacked in may of 1940...

Second, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, France were occupied, some inhabitants collaborated, some went in to resistance, but the majority had to let it come over them, and live under the german suppression... 

BTW, you should read well...

I Wrote "or just maybe once, deflectors and collaborators existed then too  :D"

If an individual deflected on the other hand (not states) he was seen as a traitor, and got the bullet...

About fun...

If I saw there was not much to do, or only allieds with 1 or 2 axis, I went to the MA...