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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on April 15, 2008, 03:02:31 PM
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Secular progressives, and their anti-marriage, is costing us billions. LBJ ,and the so called black leaders are not helping their community at all. This is IMO Self inflicted poverty. The Two America’s that is spoken about is not the rich vs. the poor. But those who choice a path that leads them to a more prosperous life. Education, marriage, and Then children.
The problem is many are now choosing children before education, and passing this behavior onto their children. The drop out rates are staggering the almost match the illegitimacy rates for each race.
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some facts:
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view.bg?articleid=1087129
Georgia State University economist Ben Scafidi’s calculations were based on the assumption that households headed by a single female have relatively high poverty rates, leading to higher spending on welfare, health care, criminal justice and education for those raised in the disadvantaged homes. The $112 billion estimate includes the cost of federal, state and local government programs, and lost tax revenue at all levels of government.
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The proportion of persons over 15 years of age who had never married reached historic levels in 2000 when a third of the men and a quarter of the women were listed as never having married. The decline in marriage among whites is occurring at a slower pace than among blacks, but both are experiencing rising trends in unmarried adults. By 2000, 22 percent of adult white women and 42 percent of adult black women had never married.
In 1940, poverty among black families was 87 percent and fell to 47 percent by 1960. Would someone tell me what anti-poverty program or civil-rights legislation accounted for this economic advance that exceeded any other 20-year interval? A significant chunk of that progress occurred through migration from rural areas in the South to big Northern cities. Between 1960 and 1980, black poverty fell roughly 17 percent and fell 1 percent during the '70s. Might this have been a continuation of a trend starting much earlier, or was it a miracle of the civil-rights movement or President Johnson's War on Poverty?
In 1940, 86 percent of black children were born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate among blacks was about 15 percent. Today, 31 percent of black children are born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate hovers around 70 percent.
whites is 21.9 percent,
blacks it's 69.3 percent.
Hispanics it's 41.6 percent,
American Indians 59.3 percent.
Asians and Pacific Islanders 15.6 percent, but this varies from 51.1 percent for Hawaiians to 6.4 percent and 9.7 percent for Chinese and Japanese Americans, respectively.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=38882
http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back507.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment050100b.html
http://www.isteve.com/2003_Black_Illegitimacy_Rate_Declines.htm
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3020821.html
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Secular progressives, and their anti-marriage, is costing us billions. LBJ ,and the so called black leaders are not helping their community at all. This is IMO Self inflicted poverty. The Two America’s that is spoken about is not the rich vs. the poor. But those who choice a path that leads them to a more prosperous life. Education, marriage, and Then children.
The problem is many are now choosing children before education, and passing this behavior onto their children. The drop out rates are staggering the almost match the illegitimacy rates for each race.
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some facts:
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view.bg?articleid=1087129
Georgia State University economist Ben Scafidi’s calculations were based on the assumption that households headed by a single female have relatively high poverty rates, leading to higher spending on welfare, health care, criminal justice and education for those raised in the disadvantaged homes. The $112 billion estimate includes the cost of federal, state and local government programs, and lost tax revenue at all levels of government.
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The proportion of persons over 15 years of age who had never married reached historic levels in 2000 when a third of the men and a quarter of the women were listed as never having married. The decline in marriage among whites is occurring at a slower pace than among blacks, but both are experiencing rising trends in unmarried adults. By 2000, 22 percent of adult white women and 42 percent of adult black women had never married.
In 1940, poverty among black families was 87 percent and fell to 47 percent by 1960. Would someone tell me what anti-poverty program or civil-rights legislation accounted for this economic advance that exceeded any other 20-year interval? A significant chunk of that progress occurred through migration from rural areas in the South to big Northern cities. Between 1960 and 1980, black poverty fell roughly 17 percent and fell 1 percent during the '70s. Might this have been a continuation of a trend starting much earlier, or was it a miracle of the civil-rights movement or President Johnson's War on Poverty?
In 1940, 86 percent of black children were born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate among blacks was about 15 percent. Today, 31 percent of black children are born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate hovers around 70 percent.
whites is 21.9 percent,
blacks it's 69.3 percent.
Hispanics it's 41.6 percent,
American Indians 59.3 percent.
Asians and Pacific Islanders 15.6 percent, but this varies from 51.1 percent for Hawaiians to 6.4 percent and 9.7 percent for Chinese and Japanese Americans, respectively.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=38882
http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back507.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment050100b.html
http://www.isteve.com/2003_Black_Illegitimacy_Rate_Declines.htm
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3020821.html
For those playing BBB, the "cost of war" blame will count.
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Yes, JBA, you are a very special boy. That is some impressive stuff right there.
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It's alright guys, keep working, millions and millions on welfare are depending on you. :aok :devil
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Don't the so called anti marriage "Secular progressives" also want gay marriage? Can't get too many kids out of gay marriage to drag the $billions away...also interesting to see only secular progressives divorce or are single parent families...how very O'Reilly of you to point it out :aok
Tronsky
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My larger point was:
I would like for there to come a time when all residents of the US become self sufficient. But it's not going to happen until the behavior patterns are broken. Why do some races such as, Asian immigrants come to US and become successes full, were so many “in country born” fail so miserably.
Do they have some advantage? No they don’t speak the langue but manage to learn enough to work.
Do they come with some inherent wealth? No most flee poor countries.
Why after Katrina, the Viet manes community was able o rebuild their homes and business, yet the black and Hispanic are still looking for their “help”
I want to see all peoples rise in their net wealth for it will make us all more wealthy. But I fear there are to many people wanting to keep these selective races on the “plantation of Govt. handouts” i.e.Revs Jackson, Sharpton, Wright, Sen’s. and Hussein Obama, Kennedy etc. We have to endure lectures from a “white raised” upper middle class Hussein Obama and his privileged wife about the white community and how it’s some how our fault the Black and Hispanic communities are doing so poorly in this country.
Take a look at your High school Drop out rates, and your teen pregnancy rates, and your Illegitimacies rates. Of the 20 or so ALL BLACK colleges the highest graduation rate is 50%. Here you do not have “whites” keeping the Black students down, and the still cannot instruct these students to pass college at rate anywhere near the nation average.
I’m first generation immigrant from the poorest country in the world, certainly not “Baltimore” “New York”, “LA”, “Chicago” for example. Yet My grand father worked for 5 dollars a week in the early 1900’s hand buffing fords in buffalo, in order to make enough to bring my grandmother and father over. My parents learned English, Served in the military, went to college on a GI bill, and put three kids through college and medical school all within one generation, about 50 years.
What’s the common thread, they WORKED, got Educated, then got married, then had kids. Seems like a simple formula for success to me.
So ya the behavior of some races is costing me and my family what we've worked so hard for.
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Spelman College--77%
Claflin College--57% (last reported 72%)
Bennett College--57%
Hampton University--56%
Morehouse College--55%
Xavier University--54%
Howard University--54%
Clark-Atlanta University--53%
Of the 20 or so ALL BLACK colleges the highest graduation rate is 50%.
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"The proportion of persons over 15 years of age who had never married reached historic levels in 2000 when a third of the men and a quarter of the women were listed as never having married."
This is a great example of using skewed statistical procedures to put a different spin on things. I'd wager that the vast majority of all parts of the population aged 15 to 18 "had never been married". Well shoot lets make it even worse, why don;'t we change the ages to 5 years old and older, I'd bet the numbers get even more "special". :huh
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Spelman College--77%
Claflin College--57% (last reported 72%)
Bennett College--57%
Hampton University--56%
Morehouse College--55%
Xavier University--54%
Howard University--54%
Clark-Atlanta University--53%
Great 7-8 colleges, not very stellar and if 50% is considered good, :huh
http://www.jbhe.com/features/50_blackstudent_gradrates.html
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I accept your apology.
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I accept your apology.
Apologies for what? It’s black leaders and Democrats and black males that need to apologies.
12% drop out of High school
48% drop out of college or don’t graduate.
72% have bastard children many with different women.
Yet I’m suppose to feel guilty because why? I’ve paid 30% of my income to support 14% of the population? I don’t feel guilty and yes Hussein Obama I am bitter. I'm bitter over the black community continually asking for more and more of my money, while I’m forced to do with less and less.
You know MT in another time and place, well hell even now we probably would have gotten along. I like Grateful Dead, I love Little Feat, SRV and I'm a Scotch drinker. I’ve applied for my License to carry, and I think the cars of the 60’s were the best built.
But please I don’t own anything. I think the numbers bear that out: 112 billion is enough.
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Lighten up francis. I accept your apology for getting the facts wrong. Sheesh... AND NEVER put soda in good scotch!
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Yeah, MT, tell him to lighten up. His estimate was off by an average of ~8% but you saved him from that horrible error. :salute
Yeah, he's definitely the one needing to lighten up on this whole average issue.
And additionally, the things he mentioned cannot possibly be the source of problems in our society, right? Especially since he's off a little in his stats.
I mean personally, I think a huge percentage of broken families and unwed mothers is a good thing for society, right? How can it be otherwise? Anyway, if it wasn't no one would expect any particular group to try and change now would they?
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And you must be Francis' dad?
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Well, as Francis' mom, you should recognize me honey!
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Nah, nice try though.
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I just thank cod you're here to protect us from errors in generalized statements that may <gasp> exceed 7%
and that you're not wound so tight that you think a generalized error of that huge magnitude must immediately be rectified by someone owing you an apology for correcting such a disaster.
Bless you, my son!
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Well just to get you all in even more of a dither...
I think JBA's post was a load of racist crap. He uses questionable numbers to justify generalized attacks on races of people. I simply pointed out one of his errors. Maybe someone else will look into the rest of the stuff he posted to check out the validity.
But how about this... He said the HIGHEST graduation rate for an all black college was 50%. Actual HIGHEST numbers are above 70%. But the real statistic that seems to be more relevent is the overall graduation rate in the entire Country for all college students. Any guesses?
Anyone?
Bueller?
The SIX YEAR graduation rate for the Country is 56%. Now, doesn't it seem a little silly to attack an entire race using a number that is no better than that for all students combined? Wouldn't you agree that the statistic might be considered contrived or even.... downright underhanded?
Oh, wait... here's a link to a chart.
http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/index.php?level=nation&mode=graph&state=0&submeasure=27
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That's a shame. Oh well, back to Hillary; she is, after all, an easy target. (I hear she will stoop to lying to get elected! :eek:)
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I thank you sir for putting me in the company of these great learned men. For they to have been accused of being racist for pointing out the self inflected poverty that pelages the black community. It is the likes of the reverends (lower case intentional) Jackson, Sharpton, and their enablers, that has created generational poverty and will cost the country hundreds of billions of dollars every year.
Walter E. Williams
http://www.creators.com/opinion/walter-williams/black-colleges-2008-01-09.html
Thomas Sowell
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?id=1635
http://www.tsowell.com/spracecu.html
Bill Cosby
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7681419/
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/billcosbypoundcakespeech.htm
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-102/1208234948211330.xml&storylist=national
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-05-16-cosby-main_x.htm
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No one is saying there are no problems in the black community. There are many. What we need to understand is that they are not caused by the color of the person's skin, except for those issues that stem from the treatment of those people by others due to that color.
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No one is saying there are no problems in the black community. There are many. What we need to understand is that they are not caused by the color of the person's skin, except for those issues that stem from the treatment of those people by others due to that color.
That avenue is a very 2 way street as well. The bias isn't only one way and often is expressed very vocally in the opposite direction.
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Good post MT. Much more on topic, substantive and to the point than your quibbling about the magnitude of the error in the numbers he used. :salute
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It is the likes of the reverends (lower case intentional) Jackson, Sharpton, and their enablers, that has created generational poverty and will cost the country hundreds of billions of dollars every year.
LOL.This is THE dumbest thing I've read here so far today. :aok
But it's still early. :)
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I vote this thread five stars!