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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Simaril on April 16, 2008, 07:53:28 PM
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...is anyone else thinking about buying a copy to save for future builds?
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I believe I will--Pro seems to be all that's there now
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I don't need to buy one. Ever again.
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gone Linux, Coshy?
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count me in
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Many are upgrading their new machines to Xp from vista. :lol
I'll be running Xp Pro on all my machines for quite awhile longer. Then probably change over to linux on my 5 home PCs and the 8 PCs at my shop.
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3 PCs with XP Pro, 1 with 98 and 1 with Vista...
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...is anyone else thinking about buying a copy to save for future builds?
Just did exactly that.
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I was warned off Vista when I was about to buy a new notebook. Got XP, but guess what? It wouldn't install - would not recognise the HD.
I took the PC back and the company did some checks and found that my notebook was designed for Vista only, and would not take XP.
So I installed Vista x64 - and I'm pleased to say I haven't had a single problem in the 3 months I've had it.
My desktop PC needed an upgrade, and I bought new Vista-compatible hardware based on suggestions I'd read over at the AGW H/S forum. I opted for the x32 version this time because I had had ONE driver problem on x64, and was worried in case of later problems. Same deal - no problems with Vista at all, and I am very happy with it. :)
However! I had been using Trend Micro anti virus. This no longer worked with Vista SP1. TM were very unhelpful, so I purchased a new AV package - PCSecurity "The Shield" - works really well.
The only reason I can think of for dissatisfaction with Vista is because people have installed it on legacy hardware. From what I've read on AGW, that was never going to work.
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Buy all that you can find then sell each of them on ebay for $600 in July. :t
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20ish XP keys from decommissioned PCs sitting in my drawer, I'll be using those for a while :D
anyone know when OEM XP copies will stop being offered with new PCs? I understand XP will be supported til 2012.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7
So i guess in 2010 vista is out, but i think i read a post from hitech or skuzzy, that microsoft will be updating xp until around 2012.
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The replacement for Vista will be out before Microsoft stops supporting Windows XP Pro. If you have to wonder why Microsoft did that, then think really hard. Microsoft is really working hard to get rid of Vista.
I bought a spare copy of XP Pro, as I know I will be building one more computer before the next operating system release from Microsoft.
By the way. The older license keys for Windows XP will not work with the current OEM release of Windows XP. Microsoft changed the key algorithm for all copies released after Vista started shipping. That just means you cannot use a current release of Windows XP and an older key.
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Yeah.. I bought a copy because I have a 4 year old puter that could bite the big one any day.. it still works fine for Ah tho so I am running it. If it dies before they get vista squared away.. er.. the customers get it working.. I want to have a copy of xp to use for a new build.
lazs
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By the way. The older license keys for Windows XP will not work with the current OEM release of Windows XP. Microsoft changed the key algorithm for all copies released after Vista started shipping. That just means you cannot use a current release of Windows XP and an older key.
So does this mean if I flatten and reload an older laptop I have (which I was planning to do since I bought my wife a new laptop) that I will not be able to re-install WinXP?
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I was warned off Vista when I was about to buy a new notebook. Got XP, but guess what? It wouldn't install - would not recognise the HD.
I took the PC back and the company did some checks and found that my notebook was designed for Vista only, and would not take XP.
So I installed Vista x64 - and I'm pleased to say I haven't had a single problem in the 3 months I've had it.
My desktop PC needed an upgrade, and I bought new Vista-compatible hardware based on suggestions I'd read over at the AGW H/S forum. I opted for the x32 version this time because I had had ONE driver problem on x64, and was worried in case of later problems. Same deal - no problems with Vista at all, and I am very happy with it. :)
However! I had been using Trend Micro anti virus. This no longer worked with Vista SP1. TM were very unhelpful, so I purchased a new AV package - PCSecurity "The Shield" - works really well.
The only reason I can think of for dissatisfaction with Vista is because people have installed it on legacy hardware. From what I've read on AGW, that was never going to work.
Any machine that runs vista will run XP. Someone wanted to sell you vista.
Xp outperforms vista.
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i would imagine that the flattening part would be prohibitive to that aim.
:cool:
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gone Linux, Coshy?
nope, have xp pro, I've reinstalled it about 5 times on the computers I use it on, never once asked for keys or to register it.
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I should be alright, I'm still with 2000. :D
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After XP is no longer supported im switching to Ubuntu linux. Heck, even a Mac is preferable to Vista if it comes to having to PAY for bloatware.
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The only reason I can think of for dissatisfaction with Vista is because people have installed it on legacy hardware
Thats the thing---as far as Vista is concerned, ALL hardware previous to 2005 is legacy hardware
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wish AH had a linux client - i have run AH with cedega but a native linux client would be great
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Any machine that runs vista will run XP.
Not true. Read what I said about my notebook purchase ^ - XP would not install. Vista would and runs well. The problem for XP was that I could not format the Western Digital 200GB hard drive using any of the published utilities. Vista performs its own formatting of the HD.
Hehe, seems we all have an OS we love to hate. For many here it's Vista. For me it was XP. I was completely turned off when it came out c2001 and I learned that if you upgrade hardware for the nth time, it suspects you're running a fake copy, and you have to call M$ to get a key to unlock your system. :mad: I know there were ways round it, but at the time, I decided to go with W2K, which worked well until recently.
W2K is on the verge of losing M$ support. I got messages about that all the time in the last year or so. SP4 was the "final" SP, and then there were various "roll ups". Even if M$ were to continue supporting W2K, it doesn't mean others will, which is going to mean driver problems for some hardware, and releases of software that won't work. W2K cannot run the latest release of Trend Micro AV, and IIRC cannot run IE7.
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I will be buying one more copy! Although I have 2 copies of windows xp home that are not being used.
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Not true. Read what I said about my notebook purchase ^ - XP would not install. ...
Chances are that it wouldn't install because it is a SATA HDD for which the XP CD hadn't the drivers. You just needed to install the HDD drivers at the beginning of the XP install...
Vista is the best linux ad evar!
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wish AH had a linux client
you're not the only one :(
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No, it means, as an example.
We have a number of odler copies of Windows XP around here that do not have 48 bit IDE support which retricts the largest useable HD to 127GB, So, we use newer copies and the old locense key when we have to re-install. Perfectly legal as you are paying for the license. The media just happens to come with the license.
Now Microsoft is invalidating those older licenses, requiring you to purchase a new copy of Windows XP. They did this to hedge thier bets that Vista would tank. It has, but sales have not suffered as anyone wanting to use an older license of XP can no longer do so with the latest release of Windows XP Pro.
Most IT departments keep one copy of Windows XP around, and then have all the licenses (activation numbers) filed away. If you want to use the latest copy of Windows XP Pro, you have to purchase another set of licenses.
And lazs, it appears Vista is going the way of Windows ME. In other words, it will be another lost step child from MIcrosoft. Would not surprise me if they drop support for Vista about a year after Windows 7 is released.
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No, it means, as an example.
We have a number of odler copies of Windows XP around here that do not have 48 bit IDE support which retricts the largest useable HD to 127GB, So, we use newer copies and the old locense key when we have to re-install. Perfectly legal as you are paying for the license. The media just happens to come with the license.
Now Microsoft is invalidating those older licenses, requiring you to purchase a new copy of Windows XP. They did this to hedge thier bets that Vista would tank. It has, but sales have not suffered as anyone wanting to use an older license of XP can no longer do so with the latest release of Windows XP Pro.
Most IT departments keep one copy of Windows XP around, and then have all the licenses (activation numbers) filed away. If you want to use the latest copy of Windows XP Pro, you have to purchase another set of licenses.
And lazs, it appears Vista is going the way of Windows ME. In other words, it will be another lost step child from MIcrosoft. Would not surprise me if they drop support for Vista about a year after Windows 7 is released.
Any word whether Windows 7 is going to be less harsh to older, NON-MICROSOFT software than was Vista?
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....Now Microsoft is invalidating those older licenses, requiring you to purchase a new copy of Windows XP. They did this to hedge thier bets that Vista would tank. It has, but sales have not suffered as anyone wanting to use an older license of XP can no longer do so with the latest release of Windows XP Pro....
<insert general !@$# the Evil Empire! comment here>
Will those keys work with old XP disks, or are those connections invalidated too?
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Not true. Read what I said about my notebook purchase ^ - XP would not install. Vista would and runs well. The problem for XP was that I could not format the Western Digital 200GB hard drive using any of the published utilities. Vista performs its own formatting of the HD.
Hehe, seems we all have an OS we love to hate. For many here it's Vista. For me it was XP. I was completely turned off when it came out c2001 and I learned that if you upgrade hardware for the nth time, it suspects you're running a fake copy, and you have to call M$ to get a key to unlock your system. :mad: I know there were ways round it, but at the time, I decided to go with W2K, which worked well until recently.
W2K is on the verge of losing M$ support. I got messages about that all the time in the last year or so. SP4 was the "final" SP, and then there were various "roll ups". Even if M$ were to continue supporting W2K, it doesn't mean others will, which is going to mean driver problems for some hardware, and releases of software that won't work. W2K cannot run the latest release of Trend Micro AV, and IIRC cannot run IE7.
Xp will run on any machine that will run vista.
I have three 500 Gig SATAs and one 1 TB SATA on my main machine at home. I was running Xp64 but had issue with one of my printers. Was able to do a work around but decided to go back to XP Pro.
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Any word whether Windows 7 is going to be less harsh to older, NON-MICROSOFT software than was Vista?
That is an unknown at this time. Given Vista was apparently branched off of the Windows NT source and Windows 7 appears to be branched off of the Windows XP source, I would I have hope.
<insert general !@$# the Evil Empire! comment here>
Will those keys work with old XP disks, or are those connections invalidated too?
That is a good question. I really do not know, but would suspect those old disks would not accept the new key due to a change in the algorithm that allows them to invalidate the older key.
Xp will run on any machine that will run vista.<snip>
Any desktop machine. Laptops,...not so much, unless the laptop manufacturer has specific driver support for XP.
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Linux would probably work on that laptop, you may have some problem if the wireless is a broadcom chipset but if it is atheros, you're probably golden! www.ubuntu.com
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Chances are that it wouldn't install because it is a SATA HDD for which the XP CD hadn't the drivers. You just needed to install the HDD drivers at the beginning of the XP install...
Vista is the best linux ad evar!
Ok, this brings up 2 questions I have.
I'm building a new system. And I have an SATA HDD. I'm stiking with XP. Hopely the next M$ OS will be better. But, with a new copy of XP,SP2, I will have to load drivers so that XP will be able read the HDD through the SATA contectors? And how large of a HDD I use with XP. So far, I was told that one person is useing 300gigs.
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oh man this Linux is nice.
kubuntu 8.04 installed inside of windows like a normal program.
has option to burn and run from CD or install from CD. test drive etc.
the browser with it is ok too so far ;)
gotta test the rest to see if everything works. if it does, goodbye windblows.
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Any machine that runs vista will run XP. Someone wanted to sell you vista.
Like I said, I don't agree. And skuzzy said Any desktop machine. Laptops,...not so much, unless the laptop manufacturer has specific driver support for XP.
The machine on which I was trying to install XP is a brand new notebook. Like skuzzy says, these may or may not have XP driver support. When I took it back to the store, the guy got on the phone to HQ, quoting my machine serial number. I could only hear half the conversation, but it sounded exactly as if he was being told that my system did NOT have XP driver support, but could only run Vista. It has a 200GB SATA drive, and like deselys says, I may have needed to say YES to SATA support at install time, but don't recall being asked. I did screw up one setting and ended up with only 127GB of my 200GB usable! - now sorted out using Acronis.
As for "someone wanting to sell me Vista", when I returned my copy of XP I received a store credit and then paid for Vista x64, which came to around $60 LESS than XP.
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When shopping for a copy of XP Home to buy what exactly should I be looking for in terms of product description to avoid buying an "upgrade" copy ect?
For example would these products be full copies of XP ready to install on a brand new box?
http://www.9software.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=WNXPHMCD&Click=5673
http://www.9software.com/Windows_XP_Professional_CD_p/winxpprocd.htm
Yes I noticed it says "full installation" in the product description but the price seems low for full versions of WXP. Why the low price? I saw no mention of SP1 or SP2. Perhaps that is the reason?
Also, in regards to Skuzzy's comments on old copys of WXP losing their old activation codes due to newly issued keys by Microsoft:
Is there a chance that buying a copy from the example vendor above that one may end up with an invalid activation key because it's an old copy?
I like my Windows XP.
I'd like another copy before they vamoose.
Good thread. Thanks guys
Regards,
Sun
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The MB manufacturer makes the driver set for the MB. Which is the most important on connecting hardware to the board. You over paid for XP. You bought Vista you now have a subpar OS.
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When shopping for a copy of XP Home to buy what exactly should I be looking for in terms of product description to avoid buying an "upgrade" copy ect?
For example would these products be full copies of XP ready to install on a brand new box?
http://www.9software.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=WNXPHMCD&Click=5673
http://www.9software.com/Windows_XP_Professional_CD_p/winxpprocd.htm
Yes I noticed it says "full installation" in the product description but the price seems low for full versions of WXP. Why the low price? I saw no mention of SP1 or SP2. Perhaps that is the reason?
Also, in regards to Skuzzy's comments on old copys of WXP losing their old activation codes due to newly issued keys by Microsoft:
Is there a chance that buying a copy from the example vendor above that one may end up with an invalid activation key because it's an old copy?
I like my Windows XP.
I'd like another copy before they vamoose.
Good thread. Thanks guys
Regards,
Sun
Opps just saw the message on the XP Pro product description about the service packs.
Sun
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It should also be noted that XP Pro is th eonly version of Windows XP with Microsoft support until 2014. The reason for this is due to the installed base of XP Pro in the corporte workplace. Most corporations will not switch to Vista due to compatibility problems with thier applications. There are also severe networking issues with Vista that prevent it as well.
I wondered how the date Microsoft picked to stop supporting XP Pro got selected. Now I know. They wanted to be sure they could overlap with the release of the Vista replacement operating system.
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how do you get Java to work in Firefox on Linux?
only problem so far that I ran into testing Kubuntu 8.04