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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kamilyun on April 19, 2008, 02:20:58 PM
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It is not needed and gives the impression that people actually fight in there.
I've wasted a couple hours of my life trying to find someone to engage in combat in EW. Thought it might be a nice change of pace from LW. Besides a few M3s trying to sneak undefended bases, there's nothing.
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kamilyun,
It seems to me that you are not useing your ID, because I have never seen you in EW, but apparently you are so worried about the "Fighter" scores from this arena. SO, tell me why... you are so worred about EW, when you don't even fly there. And, why would you even write a lame post like you have. If EW scares you so much, and obisously it does................ STAY OUT. And, by the way, it is so funny that you say no one fights in there, when obviously there are plenty of logged kills .. and in all catagories.
Eagle
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kamilyun,
It seems to me that you are not useing your ID, because I have never seen you in EW, but apparently you are so worried about the "Fighter" scores from this arena. SO, tell me why... you are so worred about EW, when you don't even fly there. And, why would you even write a lame post like you have. If EW scares you so much, and obisously it does................ STAY OUT. And, by the way, it is so funny that you say no one fights in there, when obviously there are plenty of logged kills .. and in all catagories.
Eagle
Wow, just wow.....
kam i agree.
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Dear Eaglefart,
So kind of you to respond. I'm not scared of EW. More like bored to death. If you knew how to use the score function, you'd see that I spent 2 hours in EW. Granted, I don't like hanging out in that milkrunning playground, but I was in there yesterday/last night and IIRC, all I killed were a couple of M3s. Please tell me where I can find someone willing to engage in non-building combat as they certainly won't be members of your squad. Everytime I saw a darbar, dot on dar or a blinking base and upped to engage, the con ran back home or augered. Killed one of your festering soarz in an M3 and he gave up on that base to go capture an undefended one.
Respectfully yours,
kamilyun
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It is not needed and gives the impression that people actually fight in there.
I've wasted a couple hours of my life trying to find someone to engage in combat in EW. Thought it might be a nice change of pace from LW. Besides a few M3s trying to sneak undefended bases, there's nothing.
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2 films 30 kill sortie and 19 kill sortie same day, in early war last TOD. I think sir you come when numbers low in morning and not night when numbers increase. It s not like Mid war where 20 rooks 1 knight and 1 bishop on u defend kill Rooks. You get called every name possible for stopping their base captures.
But after posting and I see your backing Hillary, Must be your just like her! Only state facts to support your loses and if that doesn't work try Bold face lies :)
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Dear Eaglefart,
So kind of you to respond. I'm not scared of EW. More like bored to death. If you knew how to use the score function, you'd see that I spent 2 hours in EW. Granted, I don't like hanging out in that milkrunning playground, but I was in there yesterday/last night and IIRC, all I killed were a couple of M3s. Please tell me where I can find someone willing to engage in non-building combat as they certainly won't be members of your squad. Everytime I saw a darbar, dot on dar or a blinking base and upped to engage, the con ran back home or augered. Killed one of your festering soarz in an M3 and he gave up on that base to go capture an undefended one.
Respectfully yours,
kamilyun
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Oh my.
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2 films 30 kill sortie and 19 kill sortie same day, in early war last TOD.
All I saw were cherry-picks, and multiple "friends" on one target, rock. If you call that "fighting", I think kamilyun, has something.
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It is not needed and gives the impression that people actually fight in there.
I've wasted a couple hours of my life trying to find someone to engage in combat in EW. Thought it might be a nice change of pace from LW. Besides a few M3s trying to sneak undefended bases, there's nothing.
on the real real real real real real real real real real tip
some of us have perk spending issues, so some of us go do target practice with our squad mates in the EW & MW arena's.
we call it ground attack practice/perk farming
:rock
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2 films 30 kill sortie and 19 kill sortie same day, in early war last TOD. I think sir you come when numbers low in morning and not night when numbers increase. It s not like Mid war where 20 rooks 1 knight and 1 bishop on u defend kill Rooks. You get called every name possible for stopping their base captures.
But after posting and I see your backing Hillary, Must be your just like her! Only state facts to support your loses and if that doesn't work try Bold face lies :)
I know it's not like 20 rooks, 1 nit, 1 bishop. More like 10 bish, 0 nits, 1 rook. As for Hillary, I hate her. But the avatard embarrasses Lazs so I'll be keeping it for a while.
I did get a goon kill last night, so I've added a little variety to my menu.
I'll try it again in another month. <<S>>
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EW is extremely slow.... very few times does it get over 15 in there. It's a crying shame too because it could be a great arena.
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Oh Eaglefart, admit it, you just want everyone out of "your" arena so you can get a better score, and have your name up on the leaderboard, witch you still have failed to do.
Every time I've encountered you and your squad, in the EW arena, It takes at least 3 of you to shoot me down. Yet you high five yourselves, and congradulate yourselves on a "JOB WELL DONE" for taking a base defended by, at most, only one person. WTF is that all about?
I use the EW arena to get my "rage" on. The SOARS do provide plenty of simmering rage, for their camping, ganging and milk-running "tactics", as far as I've seen. I then take that and use it in a real arena, I've never seen you, or your squad, in any of the LW arenas. I guess it is kind of difficult to milk-run bases when your squad doesn't outnumber both the other countries 2:1 combined.
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I say we meet in the EW and flog the SNORES for a few nights. it's an awful lot of work because one must first deack all their fields and it atkes a full crew to stop them from resupplying quickly. those boys just will not "fight" <snicker, fight> unless al, the ack is up and they have a full gang to attack with.
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Two points:
1. EW arena has mid-war aircraft. It is "early war" in name only. :noid
2. Even the AvA has better numbers than the EW arena. I think the original post has merit.
As for Hillary, it's like Mr. Colbert said, you decapitate her and she's still fighting on, scary. :O
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It is not needed and gives the impression that people actually fight in there.
I've wasted a couple hours of my life trying to find someone to engage in combat in EW. Thought it might be a nice change of pace from LW. Besides a few M3s trying to sneak undefended bases, there's nothing.
IMHO, the best thing that could ever be done, is the total elimination of PUBLIC score. Like, you should only be able to check your own score (in-game) and not anyone else's.
That would eliminate scorewhoring overnight - people would thus earn their reputations honestly - by word of mouth, through actual fighting ability and in-game character.
Slamfire
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I remember for a few weeks after the arena split some of the best fights could be found there in the EWA. It was good fun back then, but now sadly it is a milkmaids paradise. I too have tried to find fights there lately and got disapointed. :mad:
A big <S> to the guys whoom for those weeks made the fighting fun in the EWA, y'all know who y'all are. :D
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What exactly did you expect?
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I kinda expected the good fights to continue. Instead it turned into at first a bunch of Hurri Mk2c HOing everything in site (it was actually great fun to HO em' back in the F4F and win then listen to how I should have died and not them), then a milking ghost town. :(
I miss those first few weeks when the fighting was good. Man I had fun in those A6m2 Vs. F4F CV battles. That was good times. :D
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Perhaps HTC should roll the EW and MW arenas into one and introduce a four day 1939-43 rolling planeset. There's just not enough players to support two early war arenas IMO.
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The funny thing is most complaining about how others are playing. Hey HTC we hate others in arena alone. can you close it?
I have flown against soars and with soars. 90% of them good guys and will help them any chance I get. What is even funnier is most guys complaining fly rooks and they say nothing of midwar. i just logged in 14 rooks 2 nits 0 bish untill i got on. want to guess where the rooks are hitting " bish bases". Killed 20 rooks , but they finally got the base. And what happens i get called pathetic after they capture base 9 on 1 mostly new flaks tanks mossies 109s so on. Mid war is alot more crude so far than early war. fly out numbered kill 5 or 6 and your a XXXXXX or a XXXXXXXXX etc. then the .02 k/d and .012 hit % guys tell you they can beat you 1 on 1 lol.
the only thing that really needs to be fix is A way to see who is killing who in every arena. Now you have to see a name then check. should be able to see who pilot is killing. would make scores more important and fair. i know atleast 5 or 6 guys in early war and mid war using 2 accounts. 1 to spy and watch dar unfair advantage to see where all enemy are. I do know that stats could be missleading As I have over 90kills of Tdorde in early war to 1 death, and some might think its a 2nd pad account. this might be why htc doesn't make scores checkable. i can imagine how many would see these kills of tdodre and call or email htc. saying padding scores. i'm sure i'm not only 1 that has lots kills same person, because arena is small.
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All I saw were cherry-picks, and multiple "friends" on one target, rock. If you call that "fighting", I think kamilyun, has something.
its early war u can only kill what you find. and if you really watched film you wouldv'e heard me say" this too easy feels like cheating. not my fault they kept coming up over and over. instead of taking off another base. but ask anyone in ew i try to help them explain what they should do or not do. somethings they don't get what a rope is no matter how hard you try to explain.
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kamilyun,
It seems to me that you are not useing your ID, because I have never seen you in EW, but apparently you are so worried about the "Fighter" scores from this arena. SO, tell me why... you are so worred about EW, when you don't even fly there. And, why would you even write a lame post like you have. If EW scares you so much, and obisously it does................ STAY OUT. And, by the way, it is so funny that you say no one fights in there, when obviously there are plenty of logged kills .. and in all catagories.
Eagle
:rofl :rofl :rofl
It's so full of nothing inside your skull!!!!!
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It is not needed and gives the impression that people actually fight in there.
I've wasted a couple hours of my life trying to find someone to engage in combat in EW. Thought it might be a nice change of pace from LW. Besides a few M3s trying to sneak undefended bases, there's nothing.
Kami your mostly right on but not 100% of the time.
My method is to switchto lowest #'s chess piece, find a red dar bar and up as close as I can. 50% of the time I can find something besides buffs to shoot down.
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Kami your mostly right on but not 100% of the time.
My method is to switchto lowest #'s chess piece, find a red dar bar and up as close as I can. 50% of the time I can find something besides buffs to shoot down.
When I was flying EW again last tour, 80% of the time that didn't work.
Numbers were ususally like 10-1-0, and when I switched to the country under attack and headed to the biggest darbar, it would quickly disappear after the first few kills. Then they would braveley attack the other country again, well knowing I was stuck for an hour and couldn't fight them there.
Even worse, the amount of c- accusations and flying poo reached levels previously unknown to me. Seems like some players have made their home there because the lack of mods...
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Even worse, the amount of c- accusations and flying poo reached levels previously unknown to me. Seems like some players have made their home there because the lack of mods...
I wish I had a nickel for every time one of the SOARs made cheating accusations!
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Perhaps HTC should roll the EW and MW arenas into one and introduce a four day 1939-43 rolling planeset. There's just not enough players to support two early war arenas IMO.
That's a great idea :aok :salute
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Nobody flys EW because the plane set is so limited. Also Early war planes should be turned off in LW so that EW has some attraction to it. Oh and please dont tell me you fly EW planes in LW....because you dont. I never ever see bf109e....hurri I ...c202...bf110c. I dont see them in air...I dont see them on my team.....and I certainly do not see them landing any kills
Helm ...out
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Oh and please dont tell me you fly EW planes in LW....because you dont. I never ever see bf109e....hurri I ...c202...bf110c.
I tell you because I do. Last year Hurri I was placed 5th on my "kills in" list, 90% of those were made in LW MA ;)
And others do too. Kills by EW planes in LW arena last tour:
A6M2 1496
BF109E 334
BF109F 1794
BF110C 389
C202 429
F4F-4 782
Hurri I 643
Hurri II 11372
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Oh and please dont tell me you fly EW planes in LW....because you dont.
Actually, so do I. Here's a sampling of my EW rides (all in LW) over the past 6 months along with my K/D in them. Don't believe me? Look it up.
Bf 109E-4 0.67
Bf 109F-4 2.00
F4F-4 2.00
Hurricane Mk I 3.00
Hurricane Mk IIC 2.00
Ju 87D-3 2.29
P-38G 0.25
Spitfire Mk I 0.83
Spitfire Mk V 1.14
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Perhaps HTC should roll the EW and MW arenas into one and introduce a four day 1939-43 rolling planeset. There's just not enough players to support two early war arenas IMO.
Thanks ... but no thanks. The MW is healthy and doing just fine ... and the idea of a rolling plane set is well ... a sucky idea ... sorry Greebo.
Why would anyone really give a rats arse what goes on in the EW, if you don't make that arena your 'home" ? Let the SNOARs milk all they want ... it's quite evident that everyone who has posted here knows their MO so it's not like they will be held in the highest regard.
So why bother trying to figure out ways to stop their gameplay ... other than going to the EW and 'bringing it" to them ?
Storch had the right idea ... get a bunch of your buddies and go in there and spank them.
They meander into the MW on occasion and their MO doesn't work too well in there due to the fact that there are numbers in the MW to easily repel them and they get bored with it all and eventually go back to the EW.
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They meander into the MW on occasion and their MO doesn't work too well in there due to the fact that there are numbers in the MW to easily repel them and they get bored with it all and eventually go back to the EW.
Before the scoring split I used to spend a little time in each of the arenas and since we are all Bish I did run a few missions with the SOARS in EW. They're decent guys for the most part but to me what a sad, boring way to play the game. To each their own.
What they do in EW doesn't bother me but it was one of the reasons I advocated the scoring split. They should not be recognized among better players for their timid exploits and now they're not. Problem solved.
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early war has soars and vmf 141 fighting each other and mid war has newbie squad 169th excalibers or something like that. will be 15 or so 169ths couple of Wings of Terrors that use 2 accounts to see where defenders are. incase your wondering Biggamer and Bigamer are 1 guys duel accounts. puts one on bish or nits to watch their radar dots.
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:rofl 15 bucks a month to watch dots on a map. He should change his shade name to BigLamer.
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It is not needed and gives the impression that people actually fight in there.
I've wasted a couple hours of my life trying to find someone to engage in combat in EW. Thought it might be a nice change of pace from LW. Besides a few M3s trying to sneak undefended bases, there's nothing.
Why do you care? If you don't like it...you don't have to go there. There are, on occasion, folks there that will fight. Of course, some of the lamest dweebs in the game are also there...but, you gotta take the good with the bad. :D
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I have an Idea.....
Why don't we just eliminate scores all together? Thus ending the Milk fests.
:noid
Ok proceed with my severe tongue lashing.....
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Easy fix. if in mid war or early war. your eny value above 5 or better no perks for wining war.
most like ghost66 and other milkers mid war do it for perks. htc already cuts perks for spautures there. Remove 25 perks for milking you would see more fights maybe.
the reason maybe i saw rooks milking knights I was only other player on besides their 5. I change kill troops defend base from flaks goons fighters so on. they stop go milk bish since i left bish. So make it eny value has to be 5 or less or maybe player value of no more than 30% players in air or no 25 perks for war winning u might stop milking .
{hitech} Modified for blank spaces
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I remember for a few weeks after the arena split some of the best fights could be found there in the EWA. It was good fun back then, but now sadly it is a milkmaids paradise. I too have tried to find fights there lately and got disapointed. :mad:
A big <S> to the guys whoom for those weeks made the fighting fun in the EWA, y'all know who y'all are. :D
yes, EW used to be fun.....was never really more than 30 or 40 people at most...but they actually fought. now it's a ghost town in there....except for milk runners, and MW is becomming populated with ho'ers, and runners....and lately some LW guys been coming in and and flying in the stratosphere, to pick(score padding i'd think). i haven't been in either of the LW's lately, and don't know if i'm gonna try either..if the others are going bad, then it can be assumed that LW is too......
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I have an Idea.....
Why don't we just eliminate scores all together? Thus ending the Milk fests.
I second that!
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early war has soars and vmf 141 fighting each other and mid war has newbie squad 169th excalibers or something like that. will be 15 or so 169ths couple of Wings of Terrors that use 2 accounts to see where defenders are. incase your wondering Biggamer and Bigamer are 1 guys duel accounts. puts one on bish or nits to watch their radar dots.
Well ... that just proves you know squat about the MW arena. I fly there 99.999% of the time and there is no dominating squad in the MW.
The squad that you mention ... never heard of them.
As far as your cheating accusations ... prove it and prove it to HTC ... don't spew that crap here with only conjecture.
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MW is becomming populated with ho'ers, and runners....
Total crap ...
Your going to find in ANY arena ho'ers and runners, but for the most part ... people do fight in the MW.
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Total crap ...
Your going to find in ANY arena ho'ers and runners, but for the most part ... people do fight in the MW.
i spent an hour or so in there one night last week........only 1 good fight was found....that was stickpig and oldman in their hurris.....i thought i had found a nice one when i dropped into 4 badguys in my zeke......but then a 190 and a f4u joined./....the fu4 ho'd me..although i didn't expect that from him..thought the picking 10 was......but anyay, he PW'd me......so i headed for the runway.....and the 190 vulched me on landing......
o well.......someday it might turn fun again
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Total crap ...
Your going to find in ANY arena ho'ers and runners, but for the most part ... people do fight in the MW.
lol slapshot come in arena you'll see 50 % of rooks 169th milking bases. Ghost66 if you kill them make them earn a base u get called bythc gay so on. and if they reset arena 6 rooks 1 other player on they will tell you " YOU GOT SEREVED" tell me thats not lame........................ btw its ghost66 who calls others gay that says you got served lol...........
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I was in the MW most of last night and had some decent fights. One pilot though, not going to name names here, but this guy....what a dweeb. His MO is to fly just inside your dar circle at high alt. If you try and climb to him he'll wait until you get within icon range and then he turns back towars his base, climbing as he does so. If it's a 1v1 he'll wait until he's close to his base then engage with superior alt and E. He did this to me last night. Him in a Yak-9 and me in a FW190-A5. When he dropped on me we made a couple of passes and he got on my six. I used the 190's roll rate to keep him from getting a solid shot at me. I finally got him to over shoot and when I started to line up on him he dives out and runs straight for his base and the ack. I watched him do this several more times to other players as well. Once I figured out his MO I launched from a base further back, climed out to 20K and came in on him from behind. When he saw me he immediatly dove out and ran for home. This time he was in an F6F and I was in a P-51B. Any average pilot could win in an F6F against a B pony but he ran like a little girl.
I'll be looking for him again tonight and get some film of his timid flying.
Other than him had alot of fun in there last night.
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lol slapshot come in arena you'll see 50 % of rooks 169th milking bases. Ghost66 if you kill them make them earn a base u get called bythc gay so on. and if they reset arena 6 rooks 1 other player on they will tell you " YOU GOT SEREVED" tell me thats not lame........................ btw its ghost66 who calls others gay that says you got served lol...........
????????????????? :O
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lol slapshot come in arena you'll see 50 % of rooks 169th milking bases. Ghost66 if you kill them make them earn a base u get called bythc gay so on. and if they reset arena 6 rooks 1 other player on they will tell you " YOU GOT SEREVED" tell me thats not lame........................ btw its ghost66 who calls others gay that says you got served lol...........
I guess you missed the part where I said that I fly in MW 99.9999% of the time.
I see Ghost66 on ... yes he has a mouth that never stops, but I do not find him and his squaddies dominating by any stretch of the imagination.
As far as his taunting ... I got over people's taunting around 40 years ago.
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i spent an hour or so in there one night last week........only 1 good fight was found....that was stickpig and oldman in their hurris.....i thought i had found a nice one when i dropped into 4 badguys in my zeke......but then a 190 and a f4u joined./....the fu4 ho'd me..although i didn't expect that from him..thought the picking 10 was......but anyay, he PW'd me......so i headed for the runway.....and the 190 vulched me on landing......
o well.......someday it might turn fun again
1 whole hour ... that's quality time ... and a fair enough time for a sampling of the arena to make a swiping statement.
If you expect to fly in ANY arena and not get HO'ed, ganged, or vulched somewhere along the line ... then you are only kidding yourself.
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1 whole hour ... that's quality time ... and a fair enough time for a sampling of the arena to make a swiping statement.
If you expect to fly in ANY arena and not get HO'ed, ganged, or vulched somewhere along the line ... then you are only kidding yourself.
SLAP/.....I've flown with ya in there in the past....and i fly almost exclsivly in there.......i only spent such a short time there due to the lack of good fights......
i do understand someone somewhere is gonna vulch or ho....and sometimes run(although they'll claim they're extending). my point was/is that whereas that used to be the exception, it seems to now be the rule. i also give in to the fact that i may net be in there enough, mostly because since i bought my shop, i'm not able to spend the time in game that i used to.....but that also creates part of the problem. i comein here for the fun fights, and to relax, or get the adrenniain rush from the great fights. having a 190 BnZ me from a 10k alt advantage, then berate me is not my idea of fun. having the same said 190 meet me almost co-alt at around 5k in my f6f, then run, claiming i had an alt advantage isn't fun. actually, although i really don't like the guy(actually despise him and am insulted he's allowed to breath the same air i do) he IS a good stick, and i think could've probably made his fw outturn my hellkitty. this is my point. when i'm in my hellkitty, i do try to fight the zeke or spit or hurri. when i'm in my zeke, same thing....same in anything i fly.......i don't run....it's not fun
anyway, back to work for me
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lol you must be flying rook if your not seeing ho's
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No-one can HO you, unless you are already pointing your guns at him...
... and if you are, should he be prohibited to point guns at you as long as you your aim lasts???
Sounds like a pretty weird rule :rolleyes:
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lol you must be flying rook if your not seeing ho's
:pray ... that someday the "lights will turn on".
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lol slapshot come in arena you'll see 50 % of rooks 169th milking bases. Ghost66 if you kill them make them earn a base u get called bythc gay so on. and if they reset arena 6 rooks 1 other player on they will tell you " YOU GOT SEREVED" tell me thats not lame........................ btw its ghost66 who calls others gay that says you got served lol...........
Yeah, Ghost66 is a dork.
And I do speculate that he enjoys the odd noodle now and then considering how often he accuses others of being gay.
That's kinda like Eaglefrt and the SOARs making all the cheating accussations when most of them have 2nd accounts.
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Yeah, Ghost66 is a dork.
And I do speculate that he enjoys the odd noodle now and then considering how often he accuses others of being gay.
That's kinda like Eaglefrt and the SOARs making all the cheating accussations when most of them have 2nd accounts.
Please specify which definition of "odd" you are referring to:
1. differing in nature from what is ordinary, usual, or expected: an odd choice.
2. singular or peculiar in a strange or eccentric way: an odd person; odd manners.
3. fantastic; bizarre: Her taste in clothing was rather odd.
4. leaving a remainder of 1 when divided by 2, as a number (opposed to even): Numbers like 3, 15, and 181 are odd numbers.
5. more or less, esp. a little more (used in combination with a round number): I owe three hundred-odd dollars.
6. being a small amount in addition to what is counted or specified: I have five gross and a few odd dozens.
7. being part of a pair, set, or series of which the rest is lacking: an odd glove.
8. remaining after all others are paired, grouped, or divided into equal numbers or parts: Everybody gets two hamburgers and I get the odd one.
9. left over after all others are used, consumed, etc.
10. (of a pair) not matching: Do you know you're wearing an odd pair of socks?
11. not forming part of any particular group, set, or class: to pick up odd bits of information.
12. not regular, usual, or full-time; occasional; casual: odd jobs.
13. out-of-the-way; secluded: a tour to the odd parts of the Far East.
14. Mathematics. (of a function) having a sign that changes when the sign of each independent variable is changed at the same time.
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Speculation again, but I'd say #12 and #2 Alex.
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I fly EW most of the time. Only if it's really quiet will I check out other arenas. I was in MW recently, and didn't care much for the kill-stealers; don't see much of that in EW. I usually ask (and have been asked) if a friendly needs help when I see him in a T&B fight.
I'm always looking for a fight; sometimes I win, sometimes I loose. It's the fight that's important to me, not the score. I will up a GV to help defend a base if needed, or anything that is needed to support a base-capture attempt.
The only time I will try to escape a dogfight is if I'm out of bullets or low on fuel. Even if I'm outta ammo, sometimes if fuel permits, I will engage and try to make the other guy auger :t.
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those boys just will not "fight" <snicker, fight> unless al, the ack is up and they have a full gang to attack with.
I flew that arena last night to see what the fuss was all about - and sure enough - it was all 8 on 1 gangbangs with ack hugging mixed in. Actually there were only fights because a few of us went up to challenge the undefended base grabbing - had we not of upped, there would have been zero fights period.
Sad to see that arena completely degenerate to what it is.... I remember when they split the arenas, it was a fun place to find good fights...
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hey if it keeps em outta the main :aok
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I guess you missed the part where I said that I fly in MW 99.9999% of the time.
I see Ghost66 on ... yes he has a mouth that never stops, but I do not find him and his squaddies dominating by any stretch of the imagination.
As far as his taunting ... I got over people's taunting around 40 years ago.
Well, he and his squadmates are dominating....in THEIR imaginations. As for "his taunting"...does anyone really consider that weak stuff of his "taunting"?
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Here we go again with the Soars. Everybody who complains about them probably never flew with them a bit to try to know who they are. Like in every squad there is some good guys and bad guys. Most of them are or were good ones though. Many players like to badmouth them in here but why exactly. If they want to take undefended bases all day long and are liking it who cares. Everytime they take a base it HAS to be undefended for sure. The Soars never fight right! I was in that squad and at a time the Soars and Hired Guns had great battles. A time when scores were not as important as today perhaps. One of the things having split scores brought was having less players in EW. When there was only one score overall, many players were coming in EW to milkrun. So what... there were more players in the arena. I agree that Eagle has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth sometimes but if he and the Soars want to play for scores in there what is wrong with that. For some time now, Milkrunning was equal to Soars. I think many players are only seeing what they want but there are more than that squad who plays for milking. Without starting a milking war lets say that guys who post regularly on this board had their names as top rankings in EW but they were not Soars so it doesn't count. :D