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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: shotgunneeley on April 22, 2008, 09:23:18 AM
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Ok, I just had a quick couple of questions regarding arena etiquette:
1) As far as I know about bombing, it is o.k. to bomb airfields and vehicle bases on the front lines, but not deep behind enemy lines, correct? Also Fuel, Radar Fac, AA Fac, etc can be bombed no matter where they are, right?
2) Intentional ramming and then bailing out is unappropriate, right? I know that this was going on back in WWII but what about in the AHII.
3) Just to add to the bailing out part, what happens if you were to hit the silk? Does anyone ever bail out in the game or do most people just ride their burning planes to the ground?
This is all I can think of for the moment. If anyone would like to add anything, please do. Thanks in advance for the replies.
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1. Bomb the crap out of anything you want. If you fly two sectors behind the lines to bomb something it'll take forever, they'll have more time to see and intercept, and bombing a base that isn't on/near the front is usually pretty meaningless anyway...but hey, your $15
2. If you run into someone from behind, generally your planes falls out of the sky and theirs doesn't take damage...no skin off their nose. If you mutually hit on your front ends, y'all misjudged your HOs :devil , avoid this situation in the future.
3. Bail or don't, no one cares. Just .ef quickly if you don't want to be shot in your parachute. Just don't "bomb and bail" to get another flights of buffs quicker. That is unrealistic to the poing of being really lame. Also, you are much better off riddling fighters with the Incredible Synchronized Firepower of Death(I's F'ed for short, tm) of your buff formation than just giving some guy 3 proxies.
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Ok, I just had a quick couple of questions regarding arena etiquette:
1) As far as I know about bombing, it is o.k. to bomb airfields and vehicle bases on the front lines, but not deep behind enemy lines, correct? Also Fuel, Radar Fac, AA Fac, etc can be bombed no matter where they are, right?
2) Intentional ramming and then bailing out is unappropriate, right? I know that this was going on back in WWII but what about in the AHII.
3) Just to add to the bailing out part, what happens if you were to hit the silk? Does anyone ever bail out in the game or do most people just ride their burning planes to the ground?
This is all I can think of for the moment. If anyone would like to add anything, please do. Thanks in advance for the replies.
Bomb what ever you want. Some people will hit just one airfield on a front line, while some will hit just the radar on a couple of front line bases. Then, you'll have guys who fly back behind enemy lines, but they mostly just hit starts (which you can bomb and do damage to) or the countries HQ, since it would be really hard to take a base way deep in someone else's territory. Basically, bomb whatever, whenever you want, just have fun.
You might get some grief for intentionally ramming, but then again it is your money so do what you want, and it's probably going to be hard to tell most of the time if a guy was going for a ram or just trying to get a close in shot (as long as you didn't say run right up his six).
If you bail, then you'll fall to the ground and die pretty quickly unless you press 'O' to open your chute, which will then give you a .45 pistol and a slow descent down. You can shoot at people, and when on the ground you can move. I've seen people bail and sit by a map room with their gun waiting to shoot enemy troops. I would rather just ride my plane in if it's short, or bail and then .ef and up a new plane if I have critical damage.
donkey
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It's your $15. Play however you want. When you're finally called names on ch. 200 or PM'd, you'll know you have "arrived".
If you're interested what others think, read the general forums. Etiquette issues are discussed ad nauseum and no one agrees thus my comment... play how you want.
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It's your $15. Play however you want. When you're finally called names on ch. 200 or PM'd, you'll know you have "arrived".
If you're interested what others think, read the general forums. Etiquette issues are discussed ad nauseum and no one agrees thus my comment... play how you want.
If I do not tune 200, is it still possible to "arrive" :D? LOL Anyway shotgun, play the way you want, but some behaviors are frowned upon, some more fiercely than others. A couple of simple rules:
1)Give out check sixes whenever you can, you will get them back in droves! :aok
2)Try to avoid shooting at a plane that someone has already downed (unless it's a squaddie then all bets are off :lol).
3)Otherwise have fun and fly how you like, the learning curve is steep but worth the ride.
Oink
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There is (or should be) a definite etiquette to playing Aces High. What is on that list is certainly a long and hot debate as BaldEagl aptly points out.
I personally do not feel either of the issues you bring up are on the etiquette list. If you like to blow stuff up, by all means, go out and do it. If people don't like it, they'll put a raid together to go out and find your scrawny behind and put a stop to it! The subject of HO'ing is voluminous and IMHO boring to no end. If you don't like to get HO'ed (and I hate it btw!!) then don't get in that position. Very simple. As Brian Regan says "Don't stand directly in front of a cannon. How true that is!" Naturally, you'll catch crap about it if you tune to 200 and the whiner may even PM you directly to give you grief. Just maintain a thick skin with a dash of humor and you'll do well.
Here are a couple of thoughts about what are genuine etiquette "rules":
1. Try not to take another guy's kill. If I shoot a guy and his wing flies off, don't chase the carcass down and try and get the kill yourself. That truly is lame. If I get a bomber on fire, that bomber WILL NOT get back home and if you finish it off, that too is pretty crappy. It's just a courtesy.
2. Be respectful with the radio. Have fun with the banter, etc. but keep in mind that there are others around who are not directly involved in what you're doing and just give them a bit of respect. Excessive "I own you you dweeb!" and all that gets old pretty quick so again, courtesy is the key.
I'm sure there are other things but those are the main ones to me.
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2) Intentional ramming and then bailing out is unappropriate, right? I know that this was going on back in WWII but what about in the AHII.
BnZ mentioned it already, but I might add just for the record that intentional ramming is quite hard to to, contrary to popular belief. If you fly right into your enemy, chances are good that only you take damage. See "How lag affects Aces High" on the Trainer's homepage for an explanation why: http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
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dblpost :furious
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Do's If it's green, help them in any way possible
If it's red, death to it
tune to 200 and have a laugh when you down somebody who thinks his s#!t doesn't stink.
Dont's anything you don't like happening to you. Sometimes it happens though.
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That all sounds about right. I guess what I was trying to confirm were the issues that get people really heated, the stuff that you do that causes people either to cheer or jeer. But I guess those issues are pretty few and far between in AH. So just to sum it up: bomb anything you want, bail for a quick quit or crash, dont steal anyones kill, and just dont be a jerk. Pretty simple, thanks yall.
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1st, ignore 99% of folks telling you how to play the game....
2nd, nothing is ever absolutely right or wrong...
3rd, if you ever manage to intentionally ram someone more then likely you'll take damage and they wont.
Now here are the few things that are generally verboten but arent (i'll give examples)
Head On (shooting at guy flying at you)
1) if he's flying at you then either he's stupid or he's planning on shooting you. Now when both guys fly a "clean merge" then often an implied fairfight exists. It's not fair IMO to start a fair fight in well matched planes then HO a guy once your going to lose. However there are exceptions even here...
a) your in a plane like a P-47 and are in a fight with a spit16 you need to engae do to E state etc...so you bleed E and get him turning to either extend or force a frontal shot. You give up your E to force a shot and he tries to turn into you to "square up"...hose him :aok
b) the con has more E and goes vertical, you lay low and pull up into his would be "rope" and catch him starting down...again light him up
To many guys whine about a HO when the reality is they need to learn ACM..
Kill stealing
As a general rule kill stealing is frowned on (rightfully so) and is considered shooting at a plane that is so damaged it cant fight (or often even keep flying). Most of the time you wont get the kill but it does happen.
However...
a) A burning plane isnt dead, hell its not even damaged till the wing goes...shoot it
b) A plane missing a part isnt going down, 80% of the time when a guy calls out a kill over range it isnt. If its in controlled flight kill it..
c) If you originally engaged the con you have a right to shoot at it even if some other guy cherried it. If you shot it 1st you can keep shooting it...
d) some guys are fun to aggravate or are poor "team mates". I rarely will swoop a kill but i've got a dozen or more guys I wont help and will swoop a kill from anytime I can. Why? Because I dont like them :aok
None of the stuff you mentioned is an issue BTW. I only hit the silk if I think I can land by the enemy field and play GI Joe...I once landed 5 kills in a chute. I had 3 and got killed (we was a vulthin {I suck at vulching so I only had 3 :cry} and an ack popped me. I bailed and ack got popped...waddled up to the end of runway and popped guys taking off (got credit for 2 more) and we took the field...so when I towered out I got 5 kills :rofl :rofl
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Like stated. Bomb whatever you want, and bomb the crap out of it. You will get whiners if it's the only front line base the defenders can up from. But like stated, your $15. I personally up a set of B17s with 250lb bombs and climb to 32K or so, and then pick off the frontline radar's and slowly work my way backwards. Then usually head back to the front lines and lie in wait for the dar's to pop back up, and take them back down again. :D
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There's a page on the Trainers site on this subject by the way
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/etiquette/etiquette.htm
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1st, ignore 99% of folks telling you how to play the game....
a) your in a plane like a P-47 and are in a fight with a spit16 you need to engae do to E state etc...so you bleed E and get him turning to either extend or force a frontal shot. You give up your E to force a shot and he tries to turn into you to "square up"...hose him :aok
b) the con has more E and goes vertical, you lay low and pull up into his would be "rope" and catch him starting down...again light him up
First, my opinion on HOs: There are no fair or unfair tactics, just smart and stupid tactics. Since HOs don't fit in with my "fly to live" philosophy and an offered HO is often a good opening for an easy kill, I refuse them 99% of the time.
A: If in my judgement he can possibly turn it into a HO/RAM situation, I pull off. Even if it turns out I have to extend and let him go, it is just not worth it to bite on some sort of M.A.D. scenario. OTOH, situations where he ALMOST turns quick enough to HO but still bites it are priceless...takes some judgement to know one from the other though.
B: Snap, pulling this move in the vertical is fundamentally no different than just swapping ends and going for a head-on-pass in the horizontal. People do this because a plane coming straight down on their canopy while controlling speed has a fair chance of solving their gunnery problem, so they turn it into a game of chicken instead. Now I don't believe there are "ethics" to a computer game...if you are committed to throwing caution to the wind and think your HurriIIC stands a good chance in a slugfest with his 109 say, go for it! If you win, bully for you. But if you LOOSE this sort of contest, you don't have a leg to stand on for complaining either.HO is a HO, bro. It is definitely not flying to live. You could roll to show your side and do a jink, he still stands a fair chance of missing, he still overshoots below you, leaving you in the catbird seat.
But its good for Neeley to hear about this sort of thing, so he can watch for it and avoid it in the MA.
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i will ho if i belive there is a fair chance the guy cant get guns on me, rest of the time i avoid and go for clean merge/ lead turn.
ill only try the ho shot if i can kick rudder and put bullets in their flight path. (requires an enemy that makes it easy)
still find myself trying for it rarely its more fun to outfly them.
if someone makes a kill easy take it.
now say your five or ten on one ill try to ho and take one with me :D lol
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Dont steal kills. Being in a huge furball is one thing but when you see a 1 on 1, where the guy on your side has spent time beating down an opponent and is closing into a kill shot on his "6"? Let it go, at most comm him and see if he needs help. It happened to me again yesterday. I flew well against a 190 and had him helpless and flattened out. I closed to 200 yrds and as I was touching off I see tracers coming from over my shoulder. This was no noob but some "highly ranked" nitwit who would probably step on his own momma to steal a kill.
Another one is dont shoot at cons that are already shot up and are spinning down or on fire. Pinging the plane then robs the guy who worked for the kill, of the kill. The most he would get is an assist. Even the kill stealer's dont usually do this.
Another is be careful shooting at GVs if your armed with guns that really cant kill the thing. Most of all if you have your own GV's working against them. Again your just causing slight damage and ruining the chances of the guys who are on the ground, or even heavily armed planes, of getting the kill.
You can go the "never HO" route but the odds are the other guy wont. Your best off HO'ing him first and then coming on the forum and saying you "never HO", or, "HO only a little". :lol
Only a moron would intentionally ram. I think AH should ban people that do it intentionally. If I ram by mistake I apologize in the comms. Really, it doesnt kill you to do so.
Personally I cant stand the snivelers who are always crying that nobody gave them a "check 6" call. Everyone else is busy saving their own skin and the truth is you cant always see, or react fast enough, to give the check 6. The bottom line is were all responsible for our own arses out there. I would never intentionally fail to give a check 6 to a fellow rook, I dont care if I didn't like him or not. But others cant see everything all the time and Ive seen/heard grown men scream on the comms about it and leave in a huff.
The other day I had a goon IB to a town for capture. There were two other goons already in the area so I backed off and let one of them drop before I did, giving them the capture. They were there before me, had circled and waited for the town to go down, and in my eyes deserved the capture more then I did.
Its the little things dude. The little things.
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Some other advice:
Learn to be thick skinned. Don't take anything personal. This is a game and when you die, you get a shiny new plane.
Learn from your mistakes. Ask questions, but in the right context. Don't go to the Main Arena and ask somebody to help you with lowering your landing gear.
Go to the training arena (TA) and ask those questions.
Do your homework. Go to Hammer's web page: http://www.netaces.org (http://www.netaces.org) Read, Read, Read. Taken notes and print things out!
Ask the help of a trainer. They have years of experience and they are the best at having patience with new players!
One last thing.......Welcome to your new addiction!
Have fun and hope to see you up there.
Obie
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I go by the rule treat others how you want to be treated. Yes im human and i get frustrated sometimes, but in the end this is a game and i play it to have fun.
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I go by the rule treat others how you want to be treated. Yes im human and i get frustrated sometimes, but in the end this is a game and i play it to have fun.
I agree.
I try to remember one thing when I'm playing Aces High. It is a game and I play this game to have fun. Aces High is a lot more fun if the players around you are happy to be around you. Chest-thumping and other such nonsense will not get you anywhere with anyone.
Taking the time and making the effort to be a 'respected' member of the community is worth it in my opinion. I know that I can jump over to any country and say hello and be met with warm greetings by the majority.
This all comes about by treating others with respect and steering clear of playing in a way that will deliberately ruin another's fun.
As Nisky said... your safest bet is to conduct yourself in a way that will bring you and those around you maximum enjoyment. That's all AH is, after all, an outlet for enjoyment.
:salute
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I'm reminded of the words of John Walter Wayland
"The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others, rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe"
But that's just me. I play(ed) by my own rules, ethics, and code, and could look in the mirror in the morning and see someone that I hoped that the community respected. Most did I think. Some didn't I know. *shrug*
It's the cyber world where a cavern chested toothpick can be an uber killer and a hard bodied prettythang kicker can be a total scrub. I guess it depends on the character of people you want to associate with. Because, online, character really shows whether you realize it or not.
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It's the cyber world where a cavern chested toothpick can be an uber killer
Hope for me yet!