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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Alpha202 on April 22, 2008, 07:43:30 PM
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Hey, uh I was just wondering (I did Search in Japanese Tanks in search, And Chi-ha.) I was maybe hoping if I could say, If possible, the
Chi-ha 97 Tank, Apperently the most used Japanese tank. And I've also heard about an Amphibious Chi-ha tank Not sure what it is, Please add any thoughts.
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I would love to see a greater variety of the lighter tanks. The Chi-ha would be outclassed by the current GV set, but adding it, the M3 Stuart, PzkwIII, and Russian BT-7 would make for some very interesting ground battles in the EW arenas.
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Hey, uh I was just wondering (I did Search in Japanese Tanks in search, And Chi-ha.) I was maybe hoping if I could say, If possible, the
Chi-ha 97 Tank, Apperently the most used Japanese tank. And I've also heard about an Amphibious Chi-ha tank Not sure what it is, Please add any thoughts.
Can you imagine one of these Japanese tanks upping against the T-34s, improved Shermans, Panzer-lV's, and Tigers? Even in a EWA they would be badly outclassed. If I remember right the Jap tanks in early war were terrible all the way around and not much better at the end. Some didn't even have cannon.
There was a quite brilliant Japanese army General named Yamashita. He was the General who took Singapore in one of the most brilliant attacks in the war. Prior to PH the Japanese high command sent him to Germany where observed the highly mobile German Panzer divisions in action. When he came back to Japan he became a very loud voice for professional Japanese armor divisions with capable tanks as their spearhead.
He also was a proponent for fighting a strategic war instead of garrisoning so many strategically worthless islands with so much of the IJA resources. These were the same troop MacArthur was more then happy to bypass and let starve during America/Allies reclaiming of the Pacific. Yamashita was also a voice for invading Australia. Anyway, Im getting off the point, were lucky the Japanese high command did not listen to him. Indeed they blacklisted him for his ideas and actions. Had they listened to him we would have faced a far more dangerous enemy with far better tanks. As it happened they entered the war with almost worthless tanks and didn't make a decent one until the end when it was to late.
And Yamashita? MacArthur railroaded him in a sham trial, endorsed by Hirohito, which found him guilty of the atrocities performed by marines and soldiers, from outside his command, at Manila before we recaptured the city. After the Kangaroo court made its decision they hanged him shortly after. This was a great General who believed in a armored and mobile Japanese army. And most of all with good Tanks.
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Hey I know, But I would Like to see light tanks For like Quick raids ya know, I mean Yeah they stink For sure but, Nice to have a Japanese Ground Vehicle We have none, And we have no soley British tanks either.
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1 ping from a .50 cal and there tanks would be dead. Most of them had such poor armor that they could be knocked out with small arms fire.
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Yamapoopa
Did anyone else run a search on this name? I can't find a thing. :noid
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French tanks !
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sorry nuke I can't resist.
Did they have any forward gears on them or only reverse???
french, british, japanese whatever pick the best suited models of each. of course they won't stand up to a panzer/tiger/firefly but it gives the early war crowd and scenarios something a little more realistic to play with.
On second thoughts this is aces HIGH so more planes first right????
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Did anyone else run a search on this name? I can't find a thing. :noid
The name I posted in my post was "Yamashita", or pronounced phonetically, "YAMASHEETA". The only thing I can think of is a built in word axer, in the forum software, didnt like the sh_t in the name. Here, if all else fails http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8734
The story of Japanese tanks, and the failures of the Japanese high command, is to interesting a story to allow a built in spell zapper to ruin. Strange that a military machine that, in many ways, was ahead of its time also thought so backwardly so often.
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The name I posted in my post was "Yamapoopa", or pronounced phonetically, "YAMASHEETA". The only thing I can think of is a built in word axer, in the forum software, didnt like the sh_t in the name. Here, if all else fails http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8734
The story of Japanese tanks, and the failures of the Japanese high command, is to interesting a story to allow a built in spell zapper to ruin. Strange that a military machine that, in many ways, was ahead of its time also thought so backwardly so often.
I find the whole Yamapoopa thing funny. :lol
In case some of the readers are a lil' bit slow,
Yamapoopa is really Yamas-hita (sans the - of course)
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French tanks !
Yes! I would love blowing up French tanks. :D
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I've always thought that when you would like to see a plane or tank added to the game, as long as it had a significant presence in WW2, it should not be viewed in this environment with an "arms race" attitude- "this outclasses that, so it should not be added--etc.." Just a nagging thought.
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Did they have any forward gears on them or only reverse???
Actually they had no gear at all as they didn't even move during the invasion :confused:. A shame when you look at numbers at that time, we had more tanks.
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Well it was produced enough....but obviously that dosen't make it stand. Oh well I tried.
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1 ping from a .50 cal and there tanks would be dead. Most of them had such poor armor that they could be knocked out with small arms fire.
Myth.
Armor Quality
As has already been discussed, Japanese armored vehicles were very
lightly constructed, by Western standards. This was, primarily, a result of
Japanese experiences in Manchuria and tropical theatres of war, both of
which had shown heavy vehicles to be a severe liability. Indeed, the
deployment of heavier armored vehicles such as the Sherman and
Matilda II in the Pacific had shown that this experience was not unique to
the Japanese, and many of these heavier vehicles were simply useless
until properly adapted. A great many heavy vehicles were lost, even after
these adaptations, to the machinations of weather, terrain, and clever
infantrymen experienced in taking advantage of the weaknesses of such
vehicles in such circumstances.
The armor protection of Japan's heaviest vehicle to see combat during the
second world war, the Type 1 Chi-He, was approximately 8-50mm thick,
with a welded hull. This was superior to the protection of the M3/M5 Stuart
(the most commonly deployed Allied vehicle in the Pacific). The 50mm
front turret glacis, however, was nearly 49mm thinner than that of the M4
Sherman with which it had been designed to contend, with armor varying
from about 13 to 89mm thick. The most commonly encountered Japanese
medium tank, the Type 97 Chi-Ha, was by comparison only 8-25mm thick,
considerably less effective than the 10-44mm thick armor of the M3/M5
Stuart. The armor of the Type 95 Ha-Go light tank, Japan's most common
vehicle, was nowhere near either vehicle in terms of protection.
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I've also heard about an Amphibious Chi-ha tank Not sure what it is, Please add any thoughts.
And Have you heard anything about this amphibious tank?, can't recall the Type.I was unsure if its real or not, I have heard about but im unsure if its true or not.
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And Have you heard anything about this amphibious tank?, can't recall the Type.I was unsure if its real or not, I have heard about but im unsure if its true or not.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Amph_tank_%28AWM_099057%29.jpg)
Type 2 Ka-Mi amphibious tank being tested by Australian soldiers in 1945
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I'm working on a research project right now to address the vehicle aspect of AHII. Given the number of vehicles produced/used during the war, I think such a project needs to be undertaken with a global view, not with one-off suggestions.
I agree that there need to be early-war light tanks in the game, but as an example, the Russian T-60, one of the most produced vehicles in the war, was a scout tank with a 20mm SHVaK cannon, the same gun used in the La-5 and La-7. Even though it was highly produced (over 5000), it would add little to the game next to the (primarily) 35mm cannons of it's early war peers.
I anticipate I'll be done with this project and look forward to posting it for comments sometime in the next few weeks.
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I've always thought that when you would like to see a plane or tank added to the game, as long as it had a significant presence in WW2, it should not be viewed in this environment with an "arms race" attitude- "this outclasses that, so it should not be added--etc.." Just a nagging thought.
Roger that Egg. I would welcome the addition of a Japanese Tank to the game. Whether or not it will stand toe-to-toe with a Panzer, Tiger, or a firefly is not relevant in decision making.
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