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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Heater on April 23, 2008, 05:53:36 AM
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All looking at buying a new flatscreen TV / Monitor
any suggestions on Which one and why what are the plus points and minus points of both...
Looking at a screen size of 100-117cm
Cheers
Heater
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If your planning on playing video games on it such as Wii
Get an LCD.
Beyond that.
They say Plasma is better if you watch alot of action type stuff like sports.
I havr a 50 inch plasma.
I've watched all kinds of sports on both.
And honestly. I dont see the difference.
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Plasma has better black levels, uses more power than an LCD, are generally heavier than LCD's.
LCD's don't suffer from burn in, (in all fairness the plasma manufacturers claim that new plasmas' don't either.) LCDs' are usually cheaper when comparing like features. Glare doesn't wash the picture out as much on an LCD as it does on a plasma, so if you watch tv in a room with a lot of sunlight take that into account. Normal definition channels don't look real good on HD LCDs', and is supposed to look better on Plasmas'
As for the motion blurr on LCDs' the new 120Hz tvs' are supposed to eliminate that.
I went with a 47" LCD 1080P 60Hz tv. I have a room with large windows (glare), I don't really notice the motion blurr, (it's there, and sometimes I see it, it just doesn't bother me that much). The picture, on HD channels is fantastic, and I can live with the picture quality on the normal def channels.
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I use a 37" LCD 1080p monitor for AH... but i use 1024x768 resolution in the game to eliminate clipping on top and bottom, It stretches a bit wide but it isnt that bad. Now I can actually SEE what I am shooting at... even if my aim still sucks!
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I use a 42" 1080P LCD moniter in game at 1920x1080. I also use trackir, a must IMHO if you are going widescreen.
Comments above were aimed at the set being used primarily as a television.
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For a computer LCD is fine. For TV I do not care for either the LCD or the Plasma. LCD will get dead pixels that are not repairable. You'll just end up with a visual with black dots spread throughout as they die. Plasma is very bright when you buy it, almost too bright. In a year it'll be just about right. Problem is it'll continue to dim as time goes on.
Three months ago I purchased a 61 inch Samsung DLP with LED engine. It has the most realistic picture I found at that time. At the bottom center this TV is 12 inches deep, weighs about 65 lbs. It has 3D technology that gives you the benefits of both a flat-panel set and 3D movie viewing and is great for 3D gaming. DLP is the same technology used in your latest theaters.
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The poster asked specifically about LCD vs. Plasma.
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The poster asked specifically about LCD vs. Plasma.
In that case.... I'd keep my old monitor TV. Both LCD and Plasma have inherent issues that I found deal breaking. When I decided to get a big screen I found that I had to re-school myself in the new TVs because of the availability of so many types with so many features. Lots of reading and asking questions for at least a couple of months. Once I had a firm grasp on the comparisons, qualities and features, then I chose the unit I have now.
All I can do is wish him good luck on the limited choices.
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Recently when I've compared new LCD models and plasma side by side, the LCD alwas had much darker black and brighter image even though the plasma sported double to triple contrast values. The plasma picture seemed fuzzy and bland compared to the ultrasharp LCD with high contrast and deep black.
I was surprised by the result but the difference was clear. I would not get a plasma. Just the ability to use the LCD for a gaming screen is a dealbreaker.
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The new LCDs are getting better with their black levels but there are still issues. Try watching a dark scene such as in a cave or at night and you start to lose definition on an LCD, (it just looks like a dark screen). The colors are more vibrant on a plasma for the most part. Also be careful when you are looking at tvs' in the store as the pictures quality is only as good as it was set up.
When my 27" Sony Trinitron died after seventeen years, and I started looking at tvs, All types DLP, CRT, LCD, and Plasma. I chose an LCD for several reasons. One being I have limited space in my living room and by mounting the tv and associated av equipment on the wall I gained some floor space. Also as I have stated earlier I have a very bright room with two large windows. For me I was able to get a large tv in a compact package that works for me.
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Plasma all the way for all round use. The new Panasonics are supposed to be nearly as good as the uber-expensive Pioneers. Screen burn is not the problem it was either - especially if you are careful with it for the first 200 hours.
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I have a 42" panasonic plasma in my bedroom. there is no glare but still... everyone who has seen this TV is amazed. everyone says it is the best picture they have ever seen. I find the LCD tv's to have a kind of dull finish that I don't like.. I like the glass screen.
I will replace my 60" projection TV in the living room with a 50" plasma I think. But first.. the el camino is in the shop getting painted.
lazs
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I think plasmas are unbeatable once you get it calibrated by an ISF tech or by do-it-yourself DVD calibration kit such as THX optimizer.
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There's some good articles on these TV technologies over at cnet.com Check out the Reviews tab, then select TVs...the articles are down below. Lot's of good articles about the technologies, the "myths" of each as well as info about 720p, 1080p, etc etc...good reading. Print and bring to the bathroom :)
That said, for the larger TV sizes (over 50 inch), almost all the articles I have read give the nod to Plasma. For smaller, LCD is the better value.
I'm still waiting on buying one....if I were, it would be either a Pioneer or Panasonic plasma (50 inch). But, the furnace quote arrived in the mail today, so guess what's the priority for me :uhoh :lol
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You might wanna check these out heater
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=195663&catGroupId=14624&surfModel=TH-50PF10UK
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=176434&catGroupId=14624&surfModel=TH-50PH10UKA
Those 2 plasma monitors are professional grade. I assume it will have accurate out-of-the-box colors (by SMTPE standards)
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I have gotten to where I stay out of these discussions as they tend to devolve into religious-like rants and raves about which is best.
I did not care for plasma due to power/heat issues, and how the picture will degrade over time. Burn-in still happens, but it takes longer. I usually keep a set for a long time so the trade-offs were not acceptable to me.
I did not care for LCD panels as they lack black levels and tend to be less bright than plasma. I have a bright room where an LCD panel will be washed out. Unacceptable for me.
I ended up with an LCD rear projector. They do not suffer wash out like the LCD panel does, but they do have the same black level problem. They are low power consumption (120W for a 60 inch). And when the bulb burns out, and it does, you put in a new one and the picture is still as good as it was when you brought it home. I found the trade-offs to be acceptable for me.
All technologies have trade-offs. It all boils down to what trade-offs are acceptable to you.
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skuzzy... I think you are right. I only got the plasma because it fit the room better and I liked the picture over the lcd one.. it was also a pretty good deal.. the TV is for the bedroom and a projection TV of any size mounted up high would not work.
In my living room I have a normal 60" mitsubishi that has a pretty good picture and I got it used for cheap... problem is that the room is relatively narrow and this monster just makes it worse. I need at least a 50" TV for the room so I will go with a plasma here too. It will make the room bigger and at 50" or larger.. I don't see any choice. 50" plasma now seems to be the best deal.. the sweet spot. not much more than a grand.
lazs
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Thanks all...
Still looking, and off to a Trade show on Monday to look at both first hand
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Carefull at trade shows. They will have all the TV's calibrated to over 9000 Kelvin to make them stand out. The colors will be over saturated and with a small amount of blueish cast.
Lazs, I had forgotten about the space issue. Flat panels require less space. Even though the new model LCD rear projectors are about a foot deep at the base, then still have to sit on something. In my case, I could have gone either way.
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a foot is not bad.. are they really that shallow? the ones I seen were like 18" or more but looked more massive. I will probly still set the thing on something but.. something open.. like staggered shelves... give the impression of not taking up space and the TV itself will be up against the wall.
lazs
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On average, the power consumption of a cathode-ray screen is 3.4 watts per screen inch, while plasma uses 9.4 watts per screen inch - based on figures from 2005.
LCD screens use a similar amount of power to CRT televisions.
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I'll get the exact measurements for my base lazs. It is pretty small for a 60 inch set.
Yeah Holden, then there are read projector LCD screens which run abour 2W / screen inch on 60 inch models.
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I have the rear projection 56", great picture, less than 1/2 the price of a similar plasma at the time. I'd guess the base is about 18".
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yeah.. I like the picture on DLP's just fine... and the price of the bulb is no big deal.. my ex just had to have hers replaced and it wasn't the $400 everyone said, more like $200
18" isn't much but it is the fact that it is a big box that makes it look so intrusive.. not open at all..not a problem for my ex's cause it is in a built in wall but for my narrowish (14.5') livingroom.... it is noticeable.
lazs
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and OLED rules them all :)
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yeah.. I like the picture on DLP's just fine... and the price of the bulb is no big deal.. my ex just had to have hers replaced and it wasn't the $400 everyone said, more like $200
18" isn't much but it is the fact that it is a big box that makes it look so intrusive.. not open at all..not a problem for my ex's cause it is in a built in wall but for my narrowish (14.5') livingroom.... it is noticeable.
lazs
My Samsung 61" is DLP with the LED engine..... no bulb and no 6 color wheel that has to spin up. The LED engine uses much less power and will outlast the plasma and LCD products. Realistic color quality and blacker blacks.
My original intent was either an LCD or Plasma but I learned alot when I actually went shopping. My TV listed for something like 3200.00, I lucked into an in store christmas deal at Frys for about 1599.00.
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Olevia's are assembled in Ontario, California USA.
About 18 months ago, the company decided to shift assembly to North America, where it expects demand for its LCD sets to soar. Relocating to a plant in Southern California will allow it to react to changing demands more quickly, better control inventory and save the 5.3 percent duty it pays on each imported set.
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Ok, finally got around to measuring. The front to rear depth is 16". The base is smaller. I understand Mitsibishi has a DLP rear projector at 57" that is only 14" deep.
By the way, if you go plasma, check the rated half-life of the display out. It is rated in hours and is the manufacturer's approximated time where the colors reach hafl the saturation levels from when it is new.
I know Pioneer Elite's are rated at 60,000 hours. Panasonic rates some of thier models up to 100,000 hours. The trade-offs is the brightness. Pioneer tends to be brighter than Panasonic, thus the shorter half-life. Again, do not trust what you see is a store demo. A properly calibrated set is not going to look anything like the demo units in a store once at your home.
DLP's, using color wheels, are all rated at lower black levels than rear projector LCD/LCOS sets are. They also suffer lower ANSI contrast levels. I have not read a review of some of the new DLP sets that use three DLP chips instead of the color wheel. That is not to say you cannot find LCD/LCOS sets that are worse.
My reference point always leans towards the higher end model sets. Honestly, the lower end sets, of any type of technology, hold no interest at all for me.
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I bought a 32" LCD about a month ago, best looking t.v. I've ever purchased and can play my xbox 360 in high def... havn't tried hooking up the 'puter, yet.
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Ok, finally got around to measuring. The front to rear depth is 16". The base is smaller. I understand Mitsibishi has a DLP rear projector at 57" that is only 14" deep.
DLP's, using color wheels, are all rated at lower black levels than rear projector LCD/LCOS sets are. They also suffer lower ANSI contrast levels. I have not read a review of some of the new DLP sets that use three DLP chips instead of the color wheel. That is not to say you cannot find LCD/LCOS sets that are worse.
My Samsung DLP is 61" and is only 12" deep. I have the set with the LED engine... no color wheel or bulb.