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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on April 25, 2008, 09:32:47 AM
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At Slash's suggestion we are running FinRus so that AvA folks can try out the recent toy additions (P-39, new La5, Wirbelwind and SdKfz 251). Note that ack has been reduced in effectiveness, and base capture is set to 50 troops. It can be done, but it isn't the object of the game.
- oldman
FinRus
Welcome to the land of dark forests and
deep lakes.
Remember to take advantage of the nice
FinRus aircraft skins available for
most of these planes.
AXIS: (KNIGHTS)
FIGHTERS:
ME-109F-4
ME-109G-2
ME-109G-6
FW-190A-5
FW-190F-8
ME-110G-2
Hurricane MK.I
BOMBERS:
Ju-88A-4
JU-87D-3 Stuka
TRANSPORT:
C-47 (Pretend it's a Ju-52)
GROUND VEHICLES:
Jeep
Panzer IV
Ostwind
SdKfz 251 Half Track
Wirbelwind
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ALLIES: (BISHOPS)
FIGHTERS:
La-5FN
YAK-9T
P-39Q Airacobra
P-40E Warhawk
BOMBERS:
BOSTON III
IL-2 Sturmovic
TRANSPORT:
C-47 DAKOTA
GROUND VEHICLES:
Jeep
M-8 Greyhound A/C
M-3 Half Track
M-16 Flak Track
T-34
Fog is set at 12.5 miles.
Radar settings as follows:
Tower 132,000 (feet)
Sector 316,800
Fuel is 1.0 burn rate.
Ack is .25 for low-level ack, .1 for puffy ack
(that is, considerably less effective than MA).
Friendly mid-airs are off.
Killshooter is on.
Strat is disabled.
Troops required to take a base: 50 (maproom hardness
setting is .0075). Base capture is not the goal
of this setup.
Rooks are disabled. Pick Bishops or Knights.
Carriers have no planes and cannot be controlled by
players.
AND PLEASE REMEMBER: Civil behavior is valued,
and required, in this arena.
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Sa-weet! 109s!
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At Slash's suggestion we are running FinRus so that AvA folks can try out the recent toy additions (P-39, new La5, Wirbelwind and SdKfz 251). Note that ack has been reduced in effectiveness, and base capture is set to 50 troops. It can be done, but it isn't the object of the game.
- oldman
FinRus
Welcome to the land of dark forests and
deep lakes.
Remember to take advantage of the nice
FinRus aircraft skins available for
most of these planes.
AXIS: (KNIGHTS)
FIGHTERS:
ME-109F-4
ME-109G-2
ME-109G-6
FW-190A-5
FW-190F-8
ME-110G-2
Hurricane MK.I
BOMBERS:
Ju-88A-4
JU-87D-3 Stuka
TRANSPORT:
C-47 (Pretend it's a Ju-52)
GROUND VEHICLES:
Jeep
Panzer IV
Ostwind
SdKfz 251 Half Track
Wirbelwind
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ALLIES: (BISHOPS)
FIGHTERS:
La-5FN
YAK-9T
P-39Q Airacobra
P-40E Warhawk
BOMBERS:
BOSTON III
IL-2 Sturmovic
TRANSPORT:
C-47 DAKOTA
GROUND VEHICLES:
Jeep
M-8 Greyhound A/C
M-3 Half Track
M-16 Flak Track
T-34
Fog is set at 12.5 miles.
Radar settings as follows:
Tower 132,000 (feet)
Sector 316,800
Fuel is 1.0 burn rate.
Ack is .25 for low-level ack, .1 for puffy ack
(that is, considerably less effective than MA).
Friendly mid-airs are off.
Killshooter is on.
Strat is disabled.
Troops required to take a base: 50 (maproom hardness
setting is .0075). Base capture is not the goal
of this setup.
Rooks are disabled. Pick Bishops or Knights.
Carriers have no planes and cannot be controlled by
players.
AND PLEASE REMEMBER: Civil behavior is valued,
and required, in this arena.
that list is already lopsided to the allies enough that you had to give the axis the hurri MKI with all those other uber aircraft?
Way to go :aok
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:aok Excellent map folks. If you haven't seen it yet it is far far apart from anything you have ever played on in AvA.
:rofl P40E is uber???? Oh, sorry, it must be the 30 cannon rounds in the Cobra that he meant :devil
Looks to be loads of fun :rock
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Sa-weet! 109s!
Ah geez there goes the nieghborhod. :D
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Tiger, P39D, Brewster, SpitV and SpitIX need to be added. Other then that looks liek a good setup.
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:aok :aok
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in effect no base capture, no cv's, no strats, not much need for gv's. why not just have a map with 2 fields a few planes and be done with it. I want the war back.
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You had the "war" for three months deal with this or go to the MA.
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Tiger, P39D, Brewster, SpitV and SpitIX need to be added. Other then that looks liek a good setup.
I think that would be great. as it is I might have to play axis this map becoase they have my hurr mrk1 :noid
BT
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in effect no base capture, no cv's, no strats, not much need for gv's. why not just have a map with 2 fields a few planes and be done with it. I want the war back.
Me toooooooooo :pray
BT
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What is the time for side switching on this map ? :confused:
BT
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Larry will you be playing? So I can pratice trying to shoot you down please. :rolleyes:
BT
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"You had the "war" for three months deal with this or go to the MA."
stick it larry
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Yea Im downloading the new version right now. I love FinRus setups. Ganna be flying both sides since I skinning some P39s and want to get some time in them.
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eeekkkkk hurricane??? get it out, get it out, we dont need no stinking hurricane!!!!
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What is the time for side switching on this map ? :confused:
BT
Sorry, forgot to put that in MOTD. There is no restriction on switching sides.
- oldman
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What is the time for side switching on this map ? :confused:
BT
Arena message says whenever you want to switch, you can switch.
One request: Please activate whatever it is that allows you to end sortie from a parachute. You forgot it again and I got stuck having to ride a parachute all the way to the ground.
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Tiger, P39D, Brewster, SpitV and SpitIX need to be added. Other then that looks liek a good setup.
If you add spits, we won't see any La's or P-39s, let alone P-40s.
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If you add spits, we won't see any La's or P-39s, let alone P-40s.
Agreed. No Spits, no Tigers, and I removed both the FM2 and the Hurri IIC. Would also have taken away the 109F, but thought it was a good intro for people who haven't flown 109s much.
- oldman
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Then what about adding the P39D. Tonight I seen more P40s then P39Qs. Its not a good match for the F4 and G2 and the its hard to hit with the tater.
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Yea Im downloading the new version right now. I love FinRus setups. Ganna be flying both sides since I skinning some P39s and want to get some time in them.
I think i shot Larry down in his P39 :O :rock :devil :t :cry :salute I a 109g6 even WOO HOO :rock :rock :rolleyes: :confused: :cool: :t :P :o :D :O :aok :rofl :noid
bt
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I just watched the film. You came in while I was fighting some other guy and I stalled it into the drink. You didnt even do any damage so :P
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Tiger, P39D, Brewster, SpitV and SpitIX need to be added. Other then that looks liek a good setup.
I agien agea with Larry except I think the Hurr mrk 1 should be moved to the alied side and the spt 8 and hurr -c added :pray
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I just watched the film. You came in while I was fighting some other guy and I stalled it into the drink. You didnt even do any damage so :P
And I am suppose to beleave you your from Taxas!!!!!!!!!!! Case closed :huh
BT
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The Fins had the HurriMk1 during the war I dont think the rushkies did.
And I am suppose to beleave you your from Taxas!!!!!!!!!!! Case closed :huh
BT
No Im from canada :uhoh
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The Fins had the HurriMk1 during the war I dont think the rushkies did.
Oh we'll thats ok I'm just glad to see something i can fly I don't care which side it is on really..
All them feraners kinda make me neverise though :uhoh
BT
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The Fins had the HurriMk1 during the war I dont think the rushkies did.
No Im from canada :uhoh
Really wow thats kewl. That's all most as good as being from France. I'm sorry I doubted you TK
It was a very exciting for me thinking I got you in a 109 even. I am really bad in the 109's.
BT
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Made it so you could exit from chute. Most of the combat I saw tonight was quite low, probably just as quick to stay with the plane.
I would add the 39D except that I don't know whether the Bolsheviks ever got many of those. On the Eastern Front the 39s should be using the 37mm anyway.
Good fights tonight, had a lot of fun. Don't miss the FM2 or Hurri IIC one bit, and most of the 109s I saw were G2s or G6s, which is historically accurate.
AND there were a lot of FinRus skins on the planes!
- oldman (who is finding the 39 a difficult plane to master)
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They got P-400's for sure. Basicaly P39D.
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They had the P-40, just about every US Curtis model including the British Tomahawk with .303 guns. They were paid for in gold bullion and quite often delivered by convoy to Arcangel. Check out the lend-lease program I'm sure you will find that the Soviet Army, Navy, and Air defense force used P-40's in every front and major Russian campaign.
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The Soviet Union had mostly P39Q's, if they had the D I don't think it served on the Finnish front lines. Soviets should also have Hurricane IIB's (no Hispanoes, .303's and .50's only). Spitfire MkV's were used in defense of Leningrad so they could be made available from one field only, but as they haven't ever been part of the FinRus setup I don't think that should change. The one plane that this setup should have is still missing from the game...
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Made it so you could exit from chute. Most of the combat I saw tonight was quite low, probably just as quick to stay with the plane.
I would add the 39D except that I don't know whether the Bolsheviks ever got many of those. On the Eastern Front the 39s should be using the 37mm anyway.
Good fights tonight, had a lot of fun. Don't miss the FM2 or Hurri IIC one bit, and most of the 109s I saw were G2s or G6s, which is historically accurate.
AND there were a lot of FinRus skins on the planes!
- oldman (who is finding the 39 a difficult plane to master)
Yes they had P-400s aka P39D exports and P39Ds. I dont know if they were used in the finrus war but I doubt that wirbelwinds, ostis, and stukas saw action in the finrus war to.
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Yes, Stukas were used by the Germans in Northern Finland, and also by Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey in the summer of 1944 from Immola airfield (near Lappeenranta).
The B25C could be added to the setup as the Soviet Union received about 800 of those (B-25D's mostly?). A total of over 4000 P39's were delivered to the Soviet Union, I don't know how that splits to different models, I should look it up from one of the books...
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most of the 109s I saw were G2s or G6s, which is historically accurate.
I understand the need to put certain models in as subs. Such as a FW-190A5 for a FW-190A1, or a F6F5 instead of an F6F3.
However there is no need to put the 109 F in this setup. You guys removed all other aircraft of questionable participation.
If you're going to do it for one you should do it for all.
When you have the correct plane available you should put it in a setup, not pull it because you think to many people will fly it, or it's too good.
When you have a plane that is questionable for the setup you should NOT include because you want people to fly it as you're doing with the F.
No Spits, no Tigers, and I removed both the FM2 and the Hurri IIC. Would also have taken away the 109F, but thought it was a good intro for people who haven't flown 109s much
Guys I'd just like to humbly point out you have elements of at least three different Jagdgeschwaders operating in the AVA now.
They're skilled and experianced enough that you do not need to hold their hand.
As far as people who havent flown 109s much.. They won't fly it here either, and you shouldn't be worried about introducing the 109 to players in the AVA. The 109 is in almost every AVA setup. If a guy flys in the AVA and has never flown a 109... Adding the F model to a setup where it should not be isnt going to suddenly change that.
What I would like to see is setups with aircaft historically matched as much as possible. For accuracy no models pulled because one side or the other doesn't like the plane. If it was there in the war it should be there in the setup.
I'd like to see you guys not try and influence game play by getting artsy with the plane set. Give us what the sides had historically when it's avilable, and let us go at it.
Thanks Staff <S>
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Yes, Stukas were used by the Germans in Northern Finland, and also by Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey in the summer of 1944 from Immola airfield (near Lappeenranta).
Our stuka or the antitank version?
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Yes, Stukas were used by the Germans in Northern Finland, and also by Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey in the summer of 1944 from Immola airfield (near Lappeenranta).
Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey
Immola airfield (17 June 1944)
I./SG3 33 JU87D-5 Stukas
II./JG54 "Grun Herz" 29-62 FW190A-6 (detachments at Helsinki and Petäjärvi) And they were only in Immola from Jun~20 Jul 1944 then went to Utti for a short time (days).
I./SG5 16 FW190F-3 and F-8 JABO
I./NaGr 5 1-8 BF109-G8 reconnaisance
TGr.10 35 SM 81/AR transport aircraft
The Ju 87 D-5 (ground-attack variant)
- outer wing panels extended
- dive brakes were removed
- wing-mounted 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns were replaced by 20 mm MG 151 cannons.
1./JG 54 was in Turku 19 Jun ~ 15 Jul 1944.
The Finns ended up driving the Germans out of the country as part of their peace with the Soviets.
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Did I miss something?
Logged in at 0500 to see what's going on in AvA before work. Sides were all mixed around and not IAW arena message. Bishops were the non flying team, but flying and bombing Finn towns in the SW. Finns were the rooks and flight was disabled for the country. Russians were the knights and flying.
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The arena may have been reset because HTCs power went out this morning.
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I understand the need to put certain models in as subs. Such as a FW-190A5 for a FW-190A1, or a F6F5 instead of an F6F3.
However there is no need to put the 109 F in this setup. You guys removed all other aircraft of questionable participation.
If you're going to do it for one you should do it for all.
When you have the correct plane available you should put it in a setup, not pull it because you think to many people will fly it, or it's too good.
When you have a plane that is questionable for the setup you should NOT include because you want people to fly it as you're doing with the F.
Guys I'd just like to humbly point out you have elements of at least three different Jagdgeschwaders operating in the AVA now.
They're skilled and experianced enough that you do not need to hold their hand.
As far as people who havent flown 109s much.. They won't fly it here either, and you shouldn't be worried about introducing the 109 to players in the AVA. The 109 is in almost every AVA setup. If a guy flys in the AVA and has never flown a 109... Adding the F model to a setup where it should not be isnt going to suddenly change that.
What I would like to see is setups with aircaft historically matched as much as possible. For accuracy no models pulled because one side or the other doesn't like the plane. If it was there in the war it should be there in the setup.
I'd like to see you guys not try and influence game play by getting artsy with the plane set. Give us what the sides had historically when it's avilable, and let us go at it.
Thanks Staff <S>
:aok
BT
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The arena may have been reset because HTCs power went out this morning.
The power has been off in a good portion of NE Texas all day; anyone know what has caused the outage? I'm on generator power here at the house, but the server keeps going down at the ISP.
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The power has been off in a good portion of NE Texas all day; anyone know what has caused the outage?
Global warming.......
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I hear Global Warming is having a negative effect on pirates as well..................
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Yea global warming is messing alot of stuff up. It hid my remote last night and I stubed my toe because of it this morning.
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Yea global warming is messing alot of stuff up. It hid my remote last night and I stubed my toe because of it this morning.
Your not a global warming denier are you TK? :huh
I mean I know your from Texas but I thought you were at lest some what intelligent for a Texan any ways. :salute
BT