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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LTARGlok on April 25, 2008, 11:54:11 PM
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While Wal-Mart has already discontinued all gun sales at a majority of its stores, it still continues to sell them in over 1,100 Wal-Marts.
Wal-Mart executives met recently with Mayor Bloomberg of New York and the group he has formed: Mayors Against Illegal Guns. At the meeting, Wal-Mart announced new security procedures at their stores regarding gun sales. Chief among these is that from now on, all gun sales at Wal-Mart will be videotaped, with the videos archived for potential future retrieval by authorities.
So the next time you buy a gun at Wal-Mart, be sure to look up and smile!
See:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_go_ot/gun_sales
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I'd never purchase a gun at walmart..... in fact I never shop at walmart. It's unamerican.
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They have good deals on the white box pistol ammo around here in 100 packs. With ammo prices like they are and since I don't reload... and what's more American than Winchester!
Charon
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Every sale was already on video. The only difference is they are changing their archive settings. I'd think just about every sale in a store is taped. Gunshows and homesales are about the only place there would be no visual record.
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if you go into Wal mart wearing a black Tshirt as a ninja mask they wont let you check out because they cant get your face on video. even if you happen to have exact change and are buying a gallon of milk and a Motortrend magazine...
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if you go into Wal mart wearing a black Tshirt as a ninja mask they wont let you check out because they cant get your face on video. even if you happen to have exact change and are buying a gallon of milk and a Motortrend magazine...
you've tried? :confused:
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Every sale was already on video. The only difference is they are changing their archive settings. I'd think just about every sale in a store is taped. Gunshows and homesales are about the only place there would be no visual record.
The biggest gun store in my area has no security cameras of any kind installed. For security, all of the store's staff wears handguns on their hip. They have never suffered an attempted robbery, after being in business for 24 years. There are 4 employees working in the store on weekdays, and 5 on Saturdays.
In contrast, all of the Wal-Mart employees are unarmed.
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They have good deals on the white box pistol ammo around here in 100 packs. With ammo prices like they are and since I don't reload... and what's more American than Winchester!
Charon
I did buy a rifle once from Wal-Mart, and that experience so put me off that I have avoided shopping there since.
The employee actually carried my gun to the front of the store, through checkout, and outside the front door, before handing it to me. It made me feel like I was some kind of untrustworthy criminal. Prior to that, during the sale, he refused to take the trigger lock off the gun, and allow me to actually test the trigger pull that the rifle had. That alone came close to killing the sale for me.
The other insult was that this rifle was chambered in the then brand new 270 WSM cartridge, and I had no ammo for it. However, the clerk told me that their policy is that customer's cannot purchase any ammunition when they buy a gun. If fact, not only could I not buy any 270 WSM ammo, but I could not purchase any type of ammo period, even though it could not be used in the gun!!
Anyway, that featherweight synthetic stock Winchester Model 70 turned out to be quite a lemon, and I sold it a couple months later at a gun show for the same low price that I bought it for.
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I'd never purchase a gun at walmart..... in fact I never shop at walmart. It's unamerican.
:rock Ditto.
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They have good deals on the white box pistol ammo around here in 100 packs. With ammo prices like they are and since I don't reload... and what's more American than Winchester!
Charon
The way Wal-mart suppliers' ruin their product (and their own good names) to give Wally a lower bottom line Charon, I'd be a little suspicious of any ammo I bought. You might be buying 100 packs' of all the stuff that didn't meet spec for their regular boxed stuff that has the Winchester name on it.
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I shop at walmart.. it saves me money and it has employed a lot of people here.
It doesn't sell guns but has ammo and stuff.. I went to the range yesterday to work on some loads for my new (and finicky) Henry 44 mag. this was the third day of shooting from the bench and my shoulder was sore from the brass buttplate on the gun.. I am not a bench shooter much anyway but needed to get this worked out.
Went to walmart and they had, on special for less than ten bucks, a slip on recoil pad that made my life bearable for yesterdays session... the gun likes jaketed bullets..or heavy (300 grain) cast ones and slow powder like 296 BTW.
There was no other place in town to buy it. The sporting goods stores and gun stores have all been shut down by the union supported democrats.
Unions support democrats.. sooo.. I have no use for either of em.. walmart saves low and middle income people money while the democrats and the unions screw the low and middle income people.. all the while making sure that their kids get sub par public school education.
Walmart is more a friend of the little guy than democrats or unions. If walmart sold guns I would have no problem buying one from em.. as it is.. I have to use a private dealer who comes to my home.
I make my own ammo tho thank god. democrats don't like that much either.
lazs
lazs
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I did buy a rifle once from Wal-Mart, and that experience so put me off that I have avoided shopping there since.
I've heard the stories. Around here they dropped the rifles all together.
The way Wal-mart suppliers' ruin their product (and their own good names) to give Wally a lower bottom line Charon, I'd be a little suspicious of any ammo I bought. You might be buying 100 packs' of all the stuff that didn't meet spec for their regular boxed stuff that has the Winchester name on it.
I wouldn't be surprised. But it's cheap, I don't have many choices in Cook County and the ammo is better than I am with a pistol, for now. For self defense I have a box of Federal hydroshocks on hand or comparable for the .357s.
I'm not a big fan of Wal Mart for a variety of reasons (quality, crowds and poor service), but being able to buy ammo a few blocks from my home and still be in Cook County gives me at least some sense of satisfaction that Daley hasn't quite won just yet. In an odd way, having it available on the shelf at a major retailer is a plus in this case.
Charon
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They have good deals on the white box pistol ammo around here in 100 packs. With ammo prices like they are and since I don't reload... and what's more American than Winchester!
Charon
http://www.atlantaarmsandammo.com/ Ask for Danny. He will give you a good price. If you are military or police be sure to let him know and you will get even better pricing. They are factory reloads, I have been using his stuff for over 10 years now with zero problems. Danny also supplies the training ammo for Clayton County SO and Police to use at their range for training. His stuff is five star no doubt.
As for Wal-mart bending over for Bloomberg and company, not all places are going quietly into the night. Adventure Outdoors just outside Atlanta is fighting back against this whole fiasco. http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/04/12/guns_0413.html
Walmart is just trying to avoid what has transpired down here in the south. I have never bought a gun from Walmart, I will most likely never will. Truthfully, I can't recall the last time I stepped foot into a Walmart.
The problem I have with all of this, has to do with the fact we are allowing a Mayor of a city force our hand in changing how we make transactions in another state or city, thousands of miles out of his jurisdiction.
I have bought dozens of firearms from Adventure Outdoors. They are great people there. I will continue to buy from them as long as they are around. I encourage everyone to read up about what is happening here, it is not just about guns being bought though straw purchases, it is about outside politicians using the courts to force tougher gun laws and threatening to bankrupt mom and pop retailers if they don't comply with their demands.
http://bloombergfightbackfund.com/
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I shop at walmart.. it saves me money and it has employed a lot of people here.
It doesn't sell guns but has ammo and stuff.. I went to the range yesterday to work on some loads for my new (and finicky) Henry 44 mag. this was the third day of shooting from the bench and my shoulder was sore from the brass buttplate on the gun.. I am not a bench shooter much anyway but needed to get this worked out.
Went to walmart and they had, on special for less than ten bucks, a slip on recoil pad that made my life bearable for yesterdays session... the gun likes jaketed bullets..or heavy (300 grain) cast ones and slow powder like 296 BTW.
There was no other place in town to buy it. The sporting goods stores and gun stores have all been shut down by the union supported democrats.
Unions support democrats.. sooo.. I have no use for either of em.. walmart saves low and middle income people money while the democrats and the unions screw the low and middle income people.. all the while making sure that their kids get sub par public school education.
Walmart is more a friend of the little guy than democrats or unions. If walmart sold guns I would have no problem buying one from em.. as it is.. I have to use a private dealer who comes to my home.
I make my own ammo tho thank god. democrats don't like that much either.
lazs
lazs
Lasz, how close is Dixon to the Bay area? The reason I ask, is that there are 5 or 6 places here in Bakersfield that carry everything you have trouble getting. As a matter of fact, 2nd Amendment sports' here in Bakersfield is having a parking lot sale on some items' today. Wally here doesn't even carry centerfire pistol ammo (at least, they didn't 6 years ago, the last time I walked through one of the damn places.) Southern California doesn't seem to suffer like where you are, for some reason.
BTW, my union wages' help me make enough money to afford to go there, with a little left over for bills' like the House, car, insurance, etc. :t
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I bought a 700 Rem from a K Mart store in the area quite a few years ago..before they closed the big K down around here.
It was quite an experience. I loved every minute of it.
I had 2 700s and had been debating and shopping around trying to figure out which caliber I wanted to go with on this one.
I had checked out the 700 on display at the big K a few times and kept coming back to it.
I had screwed around till deer season was only a few days away, so I knew I had to make up my mind, get cracking on mounting a scope, work up some loads and get sighted in, etc.
It was a Friday night and I had the weekend off. I was sitting at home thinking about this and said ...what the hell.....I`m going to buy the rifle.
They had a pretty good sporting goods dept. back then. The only problem with it was, as is Wally`s, they put people in the dept. that wouldn`t know the difference between a fish hook and a box of feminine protection.
This night they had a cat back there that was around 22/23 that had the look.
I got him to hand me the rifle. I depressed the trigger and slid the bolt out to examine the rifling. I thought the kid was going to have a major breakdown right there. He looked like someone had just stole his Mickey Mouse Club ears.
I thought this was way too funny, so I handed him the rifle back, then the bolt.
I watched him fumble around for a while before I lost it and started lmao off at this dufus.
I took the rifle back, replaced the bolt and told him I would take it.
He gave me the old " I`ll be right back sir" line and away he went into the back storage area.
He came back in a few minutes with this funny look on his face and told me "Sorry sir. We don`t have any of these in stock. We can get you one in about a week".
I pointed to the 700 now back in the rack and said that`s the one I wanted anyway.
I had to explain that not all things are created equal. Explained about the grain in the stock, different smoothness in actions, etc., etc.
He then went on to tell me that the display rifles could not be sold due to the fact that they had no firing pins.
I told him to hand me the rifle back and did a quick "Here`s the firing pin dummy" fast approach to education.
He spit and sputtered till I told him "Stay right here. don`t move. I`ll be right back".
Went to the front and asked for the manager. The assistant manager was in so I had a chat with him.
I got the "He Said What? Follow me sir" from him and back to the sporting goods we did go.
When I left the store I had my new rifle and the future Curt Gowdy wannabe kid was probably on his way to fill and application out at McDooDoos.
Never had so much fun buying a firearm. ;)
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There are three or four gunshops in a 25 mile radius. They are overpriced. I buy my reloading components online.
I did not want to drive 15 miles both ways to get a buttpad that I will not use again much if at all and.. pay twice as much for than I paid at walmart. I went early and there was no crowd and then I self checked out.. all in minutes and off to the range. I see young mothers going in. They do not have a lot of money. They put up with the service and such to provide a little more and better for their family.
When walmart came it increased the city budget and everyone got a raise instead of the predicted cut.
I got no problem with walmart. it is competition that needs to happen.
lazs
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Cabela's films all transactions too. They may not have a camera in your face at the register but they have you on camera somewhere during the process, probably several times in fact. Everything in the store is on film from some angle almost.
The camera at Walmart isn't about Walmart robbery, it's about ID after the fact. If someone goes and buys a gun then shoots up the local gun free zone target and gets away, good ole Wally will have a wanted poster for the local boys in blue.
I think they're hoping to soften their image as an evil gun seller by being proactive in the trackdown/prosecution phase. It's a bunch of bull as it's proven that an overwhelming majority of gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained weapons, so Wally's photos would rarely if ever be of any help. It's a PR move that is all sizzle and no steak but it plays well with the uninformed masses, the puppets of the mass media. :)
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BTW, Laz, I wouldn't spread it around that your buddy transacts at your house. BATF rules require sales to be on his premises with some exceptions allowed for gun shows.
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The actual transaction does happen at his house. He delivers the gun to me.
lazs
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The biggest gun store in my area has no security cameras of any kind installed.
Which store is this?
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The biggest gun store in my area has no security cameras of any kind installed. For security, all of the store's staff wears handguns on their hip. They have never suffered an attempted robbery, after being in business for 24 years. There are 4 employees working in the store on weekdays, and 5 on Saturdays.
In contrast, all of the Wal-Mart employees are unarmed.
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I work part time at a gun store / indoor range. While we do have security cameras thru out the range and gun store. Nothing is more effective than seeing us ( employees ) walking around the store with firearms on our hips. ( as a side note many of my co workers are Law enforcement professionals)
We all have stations in the store when someone comes in that looks "less than honest" and have all worked out our areas of egress and shooting lanes.
While a life is not worth anything merchandise in the store, we figure our lives are.
As far as security systems we have panic buttons that will instantly summon local law enforcement. Its good to know that Brinks Alarms company is there, but personally i think that my cocked and locked Kimber is much more of a deterant.
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I wouldn't be surprised. But it's cheap, I don't have many choices in Cook County and the ammo is better than I am with a pistol, for now. For self defense I have a box of Federal hydroshocks on hand or comparable for the .357s.
I'm not a big fan of Wal Mart for a variety of reasons (quality, crowds and poor service), but being able to buy ammo a few blocks from my home and still be in Cook County gives me at least some sense of satisfaction that Daley hasn't quite won just yet. In an odd way, having it available on the shelf at a major retailer is a plus in this case.
Charon
Are you unable to buy ammo mail order where you live? I buy quite a bit of my ammo mail order now.
I know that a number of cities in California have banned mail order sales of ammo, and that there is a bill in the state legislature that is pending to totally ban all mail order sales of ammo. But I have no idea what sort of restrictions you may have in Cook County.
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Lasz, how close is Dixon to the Bay area?
The vast majority of California is now anti-gun, and it is getting worse all the time state-wide.
That is one of the reasons why even though I am a 5th generation native born Californian, that I no longer live in the state.
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Which store is this?
Everyone here who is local to our area knows the store well. We don't have that much of a selection to choose from. They have the biggest ad in the local Yellow Pages too.
They are the gun store that runs all of the radio ads that you hear on 1120 AM in the early afternoon.
I actually have no objection to security cameras themselves. It is only Wal-Mart's new policy of keeping archives permanently on file. That is going overboard, in my opinion. And will do absolutely nothing to really help fight crime.
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Are you unable to buy ammo mail order where you live? I buy quite a bit of my ammo mail order now.
That has only really become an option in the past few months. The county and state attorney generals under Daley command have made a point of hassling mail order gun and ammo dealers over the past decade or so, so it's really hard to find someone to ship to Cook County. You also have to have the FOID card on file and there has been some ambiguity about being present as well that just got worked out late last year, I believe. That's also the main reason I never got a C&R license. They won't typically even ship a bolt action to Cook County even though it is fully legal.
Now, apparently, Midway is shipping ammo to Cook County. I see AIM and a few others are now shipping to cook but not the city. I've looked at their prices and don't see a major savings with shipping charges. My calibers aren't too exotic for pistol - .45 & .38/357 with an oddball 32 Long. I don't shoot enough to where a minor savings per box adds up much. Of course, that and the fact my last formal instruction was in 87 or so in the military helps explain why I suck with a pistol :)
Most of the rifles I have several thousand rounds of surplus for through CMP and R-Guns which carries a good selection of surplus. BTW they have original, matching but refurbed MN PU snipers in stock now from the Ukraine. I haven't stocked up on pistol ammo because now that I'm showing some more interest in pistols the ammo prices have shot through the roof, pun intended. The Chinese are using a bunch of lead and brass. Rumor even has it that they are breaking down a bunch of surplus for scrap leading to a shortage.
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you guys need to think about reloading. I can make ammo for less than $5 for 50 that outshoots factory stuff. I can also make loads you can't get in a factory load.. heavy or light bullets for instance. I can taylor cast bullets for the bore. It is also fun to go shooting with people and let em put 50 rounds or a hundred with your gun and say "no sweat.. they don't cost me that much"
Surplus ammo seems to have about doubled in price. I had some 8 mm stuff that the primers seemed dead on... like every 5th round or so. I broke em down and loaded the powder and bullet into a boxer primed case and took em to the range.. they all went off of course but the best thing was the group was smaller. and.. no corrosive primers to deal with.
When I bought my makarovs (for 125 bucks) I bought wolf and barnaul ammo for about $80 a thousand.. now it is more than that for 500 rounds. good thing I bought a couple thousand.
Been reloading since 73.. it has been a fun hobby.
lazs
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Have to agree about that. I miss my reloading time.
Was very enjoyable and interesting when I was doing it.
I try to remember exactly why I got rid of so much my reloading stuff and so many of my guns I had at one time.
I come up with nothing with the exception of a possible flat line episode.
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you guys need to think about reloading.
At some point I certainly will. Right now the time demands are a bit tight and I don't get to the range enough to really see a huge benefit. I am saving my boxer-primed brass though. Even the mixed 2000 rounds of .303 British I got has some boxer primed Winchester (20-25 percent) from WW2 production.
I come up with nothing with the exception of a possible flat line episode.
That is the other concern I would have in the back of my mind, not that commercial or surplus is immune. Last year, a guy disassembled his Remchester into about 7 major pieces and a bunch of smaller ones through a reloading mistake while I was there. Tore up his hand pretty good and nearly injured a few others as some of the smaller pieces turned into shrapnel but fortunately managed to miss the handful of people on the firing line.
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It is good to keep that in the back of your mind... the only firearms destroyed that I have seen so far have been from factory ammo tho..or.. in my case.. a bad lot of powder. one was remington ought six rounds that injured a guy who works for me.
I load on a single stage press and do every step one at a time. I don't load 500 rds an hour like the progressives do but I have had a very safe loading experience. The las thing I do is dump powder and seat bullets. Pretty hard to overload doing it that way... dump into case.. add bullet and run through press... I usually have about a thousand rounds of various calibers that are sized and primed and ready for powder and slugs.
Time is still a factor.. if you have none then it is not worthwhile to reload. it takes about an hour for 150 rounds or... three boxes but only half an hour to put primer and bullets.. the last step.. all the steps can be done when time permits.
lazs
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I quit reloading years ago when my recreational time dropped and that coincided with cheap factory ammo. I didn't have the time and the financial incentive to reload was minimal. When you could buy decent trap loads on sale for $3 a box and it cost $2.50 to reload.. heck, just grab a case at Wally's.
Times change; I need to dust off the rifle and shotgun reloaders.
What's the going rate for reloading 50 .45ACP in your neighborhood... break it down, primer, powder, 230gr ball.. I have brass.
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I'm wondering why walmart bashers are angry at walmart for providing products and services that people want?
Why not direct your anger at people who shop there? (the masses)
BTW, I experienced the escort from walmart Sporting Goods to the checkout when I bought a 23 dollar daisy bb gun for my daughter... and I had a gun on me! Don't worry about the camera thing... we are already on cam everywhere you go... it even makes sense from a practicle standpoint and I've no prob with it. I do buy .22 and .380 ammo there and never had a problem... just good prices.
the only thing that would be worse than shopping at walmart would be being a cashier there... with the endless, non-stop lines of willing customers buying well-priced products in their neighborhood.
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It is good to keep that in the back of your mind... the only firearms destroyed that I have seen so far have been from factory ammo tho..or.. in my case.. a bad lot of powder. one was remington ought six rounds that injured a guy who works for me.
I load on a single stage press and do every step one at a time. I don't load 500 rds an hour like the progressives do but I have had a very safe loading experience. The las thing I do is dump powder and seat bullets. Pretty hard to overload doing it that way... dump into case.. add bullet and run through press... I usually have about a thousand rounds of various calibers that are sized and primed and ready for powder and slugs.
Time is still a factor.. if you have none then it is not worthwhile to reload. it takes about an hour for 150 rounds or... three boxes but only half an hour to put primer and bullets.. the last step.. all the steps can be done when time permits.
lazs
Way back there when I first started reloading for my "Fur getters" I used a simple little Lee Loader.
On my favorite powder loads I had shell casings with spent primers trimmed down and brazed to 16 penny nails for handles. Each was trimmed down to hold the exact weight in powder. It was slow but very enjoyable. It also insured safety.
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my first loader was a lyman tong tool.. looked like a nut cracker.. it only neck sized.. for powder I had lee dippers and you carded off the excess.. I loaded thousands of rounds of 38 special for my K38 masterpiece with that rig.. it worked fine but every 5 times or so you would have to get someone to full length resize the cases.. I had the machinist at work bore a hole in some stainless and that worked for full length sizing for a while.. just lubed em up and drove em into the hole with a wooden mallet.. out with a dowl.
You can make reloading tools even today but.. I have an old RCBS rockchuker single stage that I am am afraid to say how many rounds have been made with since about 74.
lazs