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Title: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Nefarious on April 26, 2008, 10:01:49 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, I am pleased to announce the May FSO: 

Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben (http://"http://ahevents.org/european-theatre/der-kanalkampf-donner-von-oben.html")

Written and designed by Husky01 and I, with help from Guppy35. Please update your squad numbers, side and ride preferences before it closes Thursday. If you have any questions, or would like to volunteer for CIC duty, please contact me here or by PM.

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/Donnersplash.jpg)

In January 1943, the Casablanca conference ended with a call for the unconditional surrender of the Axis countries.  Strategies to achieve this were established and implemented.  The Combined Bomber Offensive was developed as a way to bring immediate and intense pressure upon Nazi Germany.  The Offensive’s objective was "the progressive destruction and dislocation of the German military, industrial and economic system, and the undermining of the morale of the German people to the point where their capacity for armed defense is fatally weakened."
 
Four months later…..

It is now May 1943, the air war over Occupied France and Nazi Germany is starting to boil over. The 8th Air Force’s daring daylight raids are suffering numerous casualties largely due to the lack of available long range escort fighters.   Although the 8th Air Force’s newly acquired P47 squadrons - the 4th, 56th and 78th fighter groups - help with the lack of long range escorts, they are still insufficient to escort the large number of Allied bombers which are making runs deeper and deeper into enemy territory.

Since the RAF is using the majority of its heavy bombers during night operations, it is not unusual to see large formations of Allied fighters escorting the RAF’s deadly Typhoons and Mosquito dive bombers during the day.  The RAF dive bombers focus on slowing down the Axis railroad and convoy supply lines.  Of course, to insure these raids are successful cooperation between the USAAF and the RAF is absolutely critical; but with faulty radios and malfunctioning equipment, this is sometimes easier said than done.

Even with the new long range escort fighters, growing cooperation between the RAF and USAAF, and the feeling that the air war may slowly be turning in the allies favor, the allied air units still must overcome their greatest obstacle: fending off and defeating the deadly German Luftwaffe.

The Allies are sending a variety of aerial attacks into occupied France and Germany - ranging anywhere from escorted high-altitude heavy bomber raids, large fighter sweeps, and dangerous low level attacks.  This causes the Luftwaffe to scramble into action without knowing what they may encounter.  This would become the norm for the Luftwaffe in the west for the next two years.

In this FSO, we will try to recreate the fierce air war over Occupied France and Nazi Germany when the Allied  8th Air Force and RAF faces the German Luftwaffe in May of 1943.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Husky01 on April 26, 2008, 05:54:02 PM
Woot! Pack you bags ladies and gents we're taking a nice little trip across the pond!

Nef if you don't have anyone else to do it and I am allowed to I wouldn't mind CiCing the Axis for a frame.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: WxMan on April 27, 2008, 07:21:21 AM
I'm guessing the winds are to make it more difficult for the bombers. However the directions are totally unrealistic. Since the game is a combat simulation and there is an ability to produce some type of weather, it too should be similar to real world conditions. The winds should veer (go clockwise) with height or back (go counterclockwise) with height, and generally not more than 180 degrees total.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Nefarious on April 27, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
How about list them how I listed them in the event, because I am not quite sure what you mean.

Would this be more on the line of what you mean? Or vice-versa? 

 * Wind:

           0-2K  NO WIND
           2-10K  W TO E - Speed 21
           10-18K NW TO SE - Speed 35
           18-24K N TO S - Speed 45
           24-30K NE TO SW   - Speed 45
           30K+   W TO E   - Speed 55
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: WxMan on April 27, 2008, 11:54:41 AM
Much better Nef.  :aok  Again it's about what your trying to accomplish.

Typically wind direction is the most variable in the lowest 5 thousand feet. The wind structure over the entire atmosphere in any given location is dependant upon the weather system affecting it and to some extent topography.

An example, northern France in May:

Clear to partly cloudy skies
0-2k - NE 5
2 to 5k - E to W 10
5 to 10k- SE to NW 15
10 to 18k - SW to NE 30
18 to 24k - WNW to ESE 40
24 to 30k - NW to SE 70

Mostly cloudy to overcast
0 to 5k NW to SE 10
5 to 10k W to E 15
10 to 18k SW to NE 30
18 to 24k SSW to NNE 55
24 to 30k SSW to NNE 90

The above are just simplified examples of possible situations found in the atmosphere. What you propose should do nicely for the event.



Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Nefarious on April 27, 2008, 12:15:55 PM
Copy, thanks for the help WxMan.

Please note the updated weather, as I did change the 30K+ setting to E to W.

0-2K  NO WIND
           2-10K  W TO E - Speed 21
           10-18K NW TO SE - Speed 35
           18-24K N TO S - Speed 45
           24-30K NE TO SW   - Speed 45
           30K+   E TO W   - Speed 55
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: daddog on April 27, 2008, 12:32:12 PM
Thanks Wax.
Question for Wax or any others that know, would not all the cells rotate counter clockwise in the norther hemisphere?
Quote
The winds should veer (go clockwise) with height or back (go counterclockwise) with height, and generally not more than 180 degrees total.
I am not up on weather patterns, but I thought that was correct.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Sled on April 27, 2008, 02:49:04 PM
I'm guessing the winds are to make it more difficult for the bombers. However the directions are totally unrealistic. Since the game is a combat simulation and there is an ability to produce some type of weather, it too should be similar to real world conditions. The winds should veer (go clockwise) with height or back (go counterclockwise) with height, and generally not more than 180 degrees total.

So who are you? Some kind of weatherman or something?





:D


Thanks for the info.

I actually might recommend that the Admins consult you with weather questions concerning FSO's. If that would be ok?

But first we need to know how often you are correct, in your real job.  :lol



:aok
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Nefarious on April 27, 2008, 05:45:06 PM
But first we need to know how often you are correct, in your real job.  :lol

Well if he is the local weather guy here where I live then were in trouble.  :lol
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Stoney on April 27, 2008, 07:22:33 PM
Thanks Wax.
Question for Wax or any others that know, would not all the cells rotate counter clockwise in the norther hemisphere?  I am not up on weather patterns, but I thought that was correct.

It has to do with the existing pressure gradients.  Look at the forecast winds maps (over the course of a couple days) on the Weather Channel website for your location, and you'll see how the upper level winds change direction as fronts move through.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Sled on April 27, 2008, 07:52:32 PM
High pressure rotates CW in the northern hemisphere, Low pressure rotates CCW.

The opposite of both in the southern hemisphere.


Eagerly awaiting Weatherman's confirmation.  :D
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: REP0MAN on April 27, 2008, 08:36:38 PM
High pressure rotates CW in the northern hemisphere, Low pressure rotates CCW.

The opposite of both in the southern hemisphere.

Like toilets?

:t
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Stoney on April 28, 2008, 12:25:17 AM
High pressure rotates CW in the northern hemisphere, Low pressure rotates CCW.

The opposite of both in the southern hemisphere.


Eagerly awaiting Weatherman's confirmation.  :D

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p61/stonewall74/ruc00hr_400_wind.gif)

Graphical representation of what I was talking about.  Notice how there's circulation around the system off the California coast.  These are the winds at 24,000 feet.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Stoney on April 28, 2008, 12:27:01 AM
Like toilets?

:t

I should have charged $.05 to everyone who ran to the head on ship when we crossed the Equator...
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: WxMan on April 28, 2008, 05:41:37 AM
Thanks Wax.
Question for Wax or any others that know, would not all the cells rotate counter clockwise in the norther hemisphere?  I am not up on weather patterns, but I thought that was correct.

Veering (clockwise with height) winds indicate an existing or approaching high pressure system generally producing clearing or fair skies.

Backing (counter clockwise with height) winds indicate an existing or approaching low pressure system generally producing inclement weather.

All weather disturbances in the northern hemisphere from the small scale dust devil to the larger scale hurricane/typhoon and low pressure system/cyclone rotate counter clockwise.

Fair weather systems in the northern hemisphere, high pressure systems/anticyclones rotate clockwise.



I actually might recommend that the Admins consult you with weather questions concerning FSO's. If that would be ok?


Feel free to ask any questions you may have.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Krusty on April 28, 2008, 03:27:09 PM
I'm glad the wind direction was tweaked, but I'm still wondering why the wind SPEED is so high even at such low altitude bands. That's rather excessive. These are speeds that might put off combat actions and definitely would screw up any bomb runs attempted.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Stoney on April 28, 2008, 03:31:58 PM
I'm glad the wind direction was tweaked, but I'm still wondering why the wind SPEED is so high even at such low altitude bands. That's rather excessive. These are speeds that might put off combat actions and definitely would screw up any bomb runs attempted.

Here are the winds forecast for Raleigh NC today:

FT  3000    6000    9000   12000   18000   24000  30000  34000  39000

RDU 2719 2424+08 2431+03 2539-03 2267-13 2385-26 730041 732049 753055

Winds are:

19 knots at 3000
24 knots at 6000
31 knots at 9000
39 knots at 12000
67 knots at 18000
85 knots at 24000

...etc.

Perhaps not a normal day above Raleigh, but completely feasible IMO.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Krusty on April 28, 2008, 03:42:05 PM
But this setup isn't over North Carolina :)
Isn't that area known for high winds (one reason Kittyhawk was so popular for early aviation gliders?)

It just seems excessive, is all.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Krusty on April 28, 2008, 04:02:45 PM
Would this help?

http://www.windfinder.com/windreports/windkarte_fr.htm

I don't understand the terms or really how to read it. I can gather a few details here and there, but maybe other folks will understand it more. This is for today, I think.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Nefarious on April 28, 2008, 05:16:22 PM
Would this help?

How do you read it? What is Bft? A Doom Acronym comes to mind.

Found it online.
mph      kph      m/s     Beaufort      Description*
0-1    0-2    0-0.6    0    Calm
1-3    2-6    0.6-1.7    1    Light air
4-7    7-11    1.9-3.1    2    Light breeze
8-11    12-19    3.3-5.3    3    Gentle breeze
12-18    20-30    5.6-8.3    4    Moderate breeze
19-24    31-39    8.6-10.8    5    Fresh breeze
25-31    40-50    11.1-13.9    6    Strong breeze
31-38    50-61    13.9-16.9    7    Near gale
38-47    61-74    16.9-20.5    8    Gale
47-56    75-87    20.8-24.2    9    Strong gale
56-65    88-101    24.4-28.1    10    Storm
65-76    102-117    28.3-32.5    11    Violent storm
>76    >118    >32.7    12    Hurricane
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: RATTFINK on April 28, 2008, 07:27:17 PM
=FIGHTING 31=

Side Prefence for Current/Next FSO:      No Preference
Ride Prefence for this week's FSO:      B-17G, B-24J, Spit V, 109G-6, 190A-5, 109G-2
Last Update Date:      2008-04-28 18:25:38
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Stoney on April 28, 2008, 07:59:50 PM
But this setup isn't over North Carolina :)
Isn't that area known for high winds (one reason Kittyhawk was so popular for early aviation gliders?)

It just seems excessive, is all.

Just used that as an example.  Remember, we're not talking about surface winds.  Kitty Hawk is popular because the dune is right on the beach, and benefits from the surface winds created by the ocean.

But, for comparison here's Dallas, TX:

FT  3000    6000    9000   12000   18000   24000  30000  34000  39000

DAL 2514 3217+11 3427+04 3225+00 3235-14 3328-26 334642 334752 345662

You're still looking at 30+ mph winds at 9000 feet, nearly 40 mph winds at 18000 feet, etc.

You can find the forecast upper level winds for the entire US at http://aviationweather.gov/products/nws/winds/ if you want to check other cities or regions...
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: daddog on April 28, 2008, 10:30:05 PM
If I ever design another FSO I am turning winds off.














 :D
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: AKKaz on April 29, 2008, 12:48:11 AM
Veering (clockwise with height) winds indicate an existing or approaching high pressure system generally producing clearing or fair skies.

Backing (counter clockwise with height) winds indicate an existing or approaching low pressure system generally producing inclement weather.

All weather disturbances in the northern hemisphere from the small scale dust devil to the larger scale hurricane/typhoon and low pressure system/cyclone rotate counter clockwise.

Fair weather systems in the northern hemisphere, high pressure systems/anticyclones rotate clockwise.


Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

We're so proud of him "sniff",  all that money the squad gave to his college fund is starting to pay off  :aok
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Sled on April 29, 2008, 01:02:11 AM
We're so proud of him "sniff",  all that money the squad gave to his college fund is starting to pay off  :aok

I like how he has evaded the question about his real life accuracy in weather forecasting.

:lol

;)
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: WxMan on April 29, 2008, 04:58:27 AM
I like how he has evaded the question about his real life accuracy in weather forecasting.

:lol

;)

ROFL... I don't mind at all. From time to time I have to submit that data when selling my services to prospective clients.

My main base of operations is western Pennsylvania. My accuracy rate for the first day forecast ranges from 92% to 98%, and from 70% to 86% for the 5th day of the forecast. The deviation is season dependant. Spring is the hardest season to forecast, Fall is the easiest.
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Nefarious on April 29, 2008, 07:06:00 AM
If I ever design another FSO I am turning winds off.


:D


Don't make me slap you.  :rofl
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: wrongwayric on April 29, 2008, 12:15:11 PM
So what he's saying is if you live in western pennsylvania blame AKwxman for the forcast that's incorrect. :rofl You should hear him give us predictions on sorties. 10% chance of dieing with a 50% chance of engaging the enemy and a 40% chance of making it home with the fuel we took. :P
AKsleepy
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: Nefarious on April 29, 2008, 12:48:31 PM
ROFL... I don't mind at all. From time to time I have to submit that data when selling my services to prospective clients.

My main base of operations is western Pennsylvania.

Do you sell it to the News Media? KDKA, WTAE, etc...?
Title: Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
Post by: WxMan on April 30, 2008, 04:51:10 AM
Do you sell it to the News Media? KDKA, WTAE, etc...?

WTAE TV and Radio were clients for 20+ years. Currently our local media outlet is KQV Radio.