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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ShyGuy12 on April 26, 2008, 09:03:30 PM
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I hate the gas prices today. here where i live, its $3.57 a gallon and it never costed this much. I mean, the oil/gas companies are making like millions or billions of dollars each year, cant hurt to lower the prices, not like its going to be bankrupt. While on vacation in California, the gas was $4 a gallon! :furious But the upside is that the people of where i live might be using public transportation more. Tell about your opionions of the gas prices where u live. <We should strike to the gas companies, but they might place an embargo on the gas prices around the world> Invent the new alternative fuel already!!!!!
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You do know that gas companies only make 8 cents off of every gallon sold, right? However the government gets anywhere from 40 cents OR MORE and they don't do anything to make that gallon of gas.
I think we should complain more to the government to lower the price before oil companies.
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You do know that gas companies only make 8 cents off of every gallon sold, right? However the government gets anywhere from 40 cents OR MORE and they don't do anything to make that gallon of gas.
I think we should complain more to the government to lower the price before oil companies.
then their profits come from?..........
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I hate the gas prices today. here where i live, its $3.57 a gallon and it never costed this much. I mean, the oil/gas companies are making like millions or billions of dollars each year, cant hurt to lower the prices, not like its going to be bankrupt. While on vacation in California, the gas was $4 a gallon! :furious But the upside is that the people of where i live might be using public transportation more. Tell about your opionions of the gas prices where u live. <We should strike to the gas companies, but they might place an embargo on the gas prices around the world> Invent the new alternative fuel already!!!!!
hydrogen.....google it ;)
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It's not that oil has become so expensive; it's that the Dollar has become so worthless. It's approximately only worth half of what is was only a few years ago.
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It's not that oil has become so expensive; it's that the Dollar has become so worthless. It's approximately only worth half of what is was only a few years ago.
Ding! We have a winner!
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It's not that oil has become so expensive; it's that the Dollar has become so worthless. It's approximately only worth half of what is was only a few years ago.
If that were the major cause, then why is SD67 paying $1.55 a litre? (Roughly $6/gal)
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Where does SD67 live?
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Australia. Our petrol prices are climbing sharply. I expect them to reach $2.00 a litre by the end of this year.
In such an event I will be paying over $100 for a full tank of petrol (66 litres) and I am lucky to get 350km out of that full tank of petrol.
This will equate to no less than $300 a month on petrol.
My car is not particularly economical, as you can tell by those figures, but it isn't a high performance sports car either so I expect many other Australians will be feeling the same pinch.
The amount of cyclists on the road is already a testament to that. Those stupid stunninghunks have a death wish.
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I've got $3 dollars in my wallet. 1/2 tank of gas in the truck (22 gallon tank). $3.56 a gallon for gas. my truck gets 15 MPG. how long until I run out of gas?
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Here the prices at the pump haven't changed more than a couple of % since 2005. 12.54 NOK average in 2005, 12.70 NOK now.
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Australia. Our petrol prices are climbing sharply. I expect them to reach $2.00 a litre by the end of this year.
In such an event I will be paying over $100 for a full tank of petrol (66 litres) and I am lucky to get 350km out of that full tank of petrol.
Is the Aussie Dollar pegged to the USD?
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It is influenced by it but it does not adhere to it. Our dollar has been climbing against yours as it falls recently.
The last time I checked the AUD was up to .94 USD compared to 84 cents to the USD in recent years.
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I'm not an American, but if your Dollar is losing value too, and you are dependent on imported oil too, then you will both suffer higher prices.
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Where does SD67 live?
Not in the U.S.A., which is why his fuel was sold in litres. :)
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SD67 lives in Australia.
Sydney or Brisbane IIRC.
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I live in Ballina, closer to Brissy than Sydney. Queensland has about 10-15c/L cheaper fuel than in New South Wales though, it's just a lucky coincidence we travel to Beenleigh to visit Sarah's Mum every two weeks.
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Just for comparison, I paid £1.07 per litre the other day. 95 octane, but that works out at around $2.10.
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Australia. Our petrol prices are climbing sharply. I expect them to reach $2.00 a litre by the end of this year.
98 ron,the highest grade of dog piss avalable in nz has already hit $2 a litre. if the price keeps tracking up the way it has recently then $2.50 a litre is more than likely before the end of the year and it's only going to get worse if the gov gets it's way and adds a crap load of new taxes to the price.
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I've got $3 dollars in my wallet. 1/2 tank of gas in the truck (22 gallon tank). $3.56 a gallon for gas. my truck gets 15 MPG. how long until I run out of gas?
About 1/2 way to Chicago
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You do know that gas companies only make 8 cents off of every gallon sold, right? However the government gets anywhere from 40 cents OR MORE and they don't do anything to make that gallon of gas.
I think we should complain more to the government to lower the price before oil companies.
Unlike the oil companies that you seems to defend with that statement, the government gets 40cents on a gallon constantly, unless they pass a bill to raise the tax. The government gets no more money when the price rises as that is a fixed tax per gallon. The oil companies on the other hand control the price of the gallon. So if the price is $1 the government gets 40 cents the oil company gets 60 cents, the price goes to $2 a gallon the government gets 40 cents, the oil company gets $1.20. Don't jump on the government thinking there getting money off the tax as that is totally false. The oil companies control the price per gallon not the government. Now i will say that the government should step in and do something but i haven't heard one single good idea on what they could do. Windfall profits tax will not help us the consumer one bit as do you really think you'll get a check from the government from it? What a load of bunk.
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wrongway.. you are well... wrong.. there is sales tax too and it is over 7 cents and not on the gallon... on the dollar.. the "government" is cleaning up every time gas goes up.. it is a huge revenue maker.
lazs
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Now i will say that the government should step in and do something
Oh MY!!!!!!!!!!!! Just go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot.
Much less painful.
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try £4.90/gall ( US$9.80/gall ) now you know why we dont drive many V8s :(
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You do know that gas companies only make 8 cents off of every gallon sold, right?
8 Cents on a $4 / gallon is an abysmal 2% profit margin.
8% on a gallon is more like it. about 32 cents a gallon @ $4 / gallon.
Still less than our taxes.
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The oil companies control the price per gallon not the government.
Thats news to me. I thought OPEC set the price of oil which is what the oil companies make gas with. :rolleyes:
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8 Cents on a $4 / gallon is an abysmal 2% profit margin.
8% on a gallon is more like it. about 32 cents a gallon @ $4 / gallon.
Still less than our taxes.
I knew it was 8 something or other from the reports I've read. Thanks for clearing that up.
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If that were the major cause, then why is SD67 paying $1.55 a litre? (Roughly $6/gal)
Maybe Australia, like the countries in Europe, has a much higher gas tax.
8 Cents on a $4 / gallon is an abysmal 2% profit margin.
Yep, that's the way it works for the marketer/retailer (not the integrated oil companies themselves that do little actual gasoline selling and are running as fast as they can away from this sector of the industry). That's why the convenience store, car wash and food service programs are so important for SURVIVAL in the industry today. It is not percentage based. A marketer/jobber can at times "gouge" as much as 30 cents or slightly more flat rate per gallon for several weeks (still in the 10 percent or less range of total cost per gallon). Or, on the other side, break even or sell at a slight loss for several weeks depending upon the players in the markets and their supply deals and the price on the street and the volume vs margin equation where volume = customers. Sometimes you have to match the low guy to keep your customers even if he is breaking even and you are losing 2 cents per gallon.
The oil companies on the other hand control the price of the gallon.
No they don't. Oil is a commodity and the bulk of the price reflects the cost of crude oil and that is set in the various energy markets. The oil producing countries and OPEC can influence the price of oil by adjusting supply relative to demand. That can also happen through natural changes in the market that are outside of expectations. Beyond that, the commodity markets -- traders -- set the price of oil and refined products just like they do with oranges, corn and pork bellies based upon greed, fear, herd behavior and voodoo. The oil companies benefit or not depending upon the markets. No one was complaining throughout much of the 1990s when oil was below $20 per barrel ad the oil industry lagged most other industrial sectors and no one wanted to invest in it because of the poor returns.
Of course, when the gas was cheap the same people complaining now went out and bought big trucks to use as the daily commuter vehicle and helped created the prices we see today. We consume more oil than any other country in the world, and more than the next four countries combine. Most of that goes to motor fuels. Duh. One reason for that is back when oil was cheap and gas cheap, the Europeans added huge taxes to both pay for their social programs and encourage efficiency. The Smart Car exists for a reason, and that does not involve the joy of the open road :)
Here's a nice primer showing the cost components of a gallon of gas.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/gasolinepricesprimer/eia1_2005primerM.html
On a final note, about 30 percent of the cost of a US gallon of gasoline is related to the devalued dollar. About $30 on a $115 bbl of oil.
Charon
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$1.22 canadian / litre...
50 bucks to fill up. had been around $40 a tank since i bought it...
i get 28-31mpg highway though.
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Might be a good time to bring in the Smart Car.
In city driving, the Fortwo gets a reported 46.3 mpg, while highway driving is an even more impressive 68.9 mpg. The 50-hp engine accelerates more slowly, but the electronic speed limit is the same, and the mpg ratings are the same as well.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/smart-car.htm
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Might be a good time to bring in the Smart Car.
Or get a 1981 VW Rabbit Diesel.
50+ mpg 28 years ago.
Here's a PU model for 3100 currently.
(http://i20.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/eb/d0/7f0b_1.JPG)
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The 50-hp engine
:lol
No thanks.
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Might be a good time to bring in the Smart Car.
In city driving, the Fortwo gets a reported 46.3 mpg, while highway driving is an even more impressive 68.9 mpg. The 50-hp engine accelerates more slowly, but the electronic speed limit is the same, and the mpg ratings are the same as well.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/smart-car.htm
No thanks until i get mine modded with SUZUKI GSX 1300 engine :rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi_CgGGDglY&feature=related
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No thanks until i get mine modded with SUZUKI GSX 1300 engine :rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi_CgGGDglY&feature=related
Smart cars have been modified by Brabus of Germany, also to house motors from powerful Japanese sport motorcycles, such as the Suzuki Hayabusa 1352 cc inline four-cylinder (Smartuki being a notable example). These cars are known as "Diablos" ("Devils" in English). The most powerful models can accelerate from 0 to 60 mph (0 to 100 km/h) in less than 3.5 seconds.
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These cars are known as "Diablos" ("Devils" in English).
No, El Diablo means fighting rooster.
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Those "smartsukis" make a perfect drift car :devil
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After the war ends (if ever at this point) gas will go down.
It did after Desert Storm.
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There is more than just one cause for current gas prices.
The value of the dollar certainly causes a problem, but how does this explain ridiculous prices elsewhere in the world?
Simple supply and demand, OPEC has not really increased its output of oil. Whereas the demand has increased dramatically over the last decade, more demand for energy, more cars etcetera.
So why such the huge increase in demand? simple just look across the Pacific to China and India. These two countries with massive populations are industrializing at a silly rate. That’s close to two billion people demanding more of the oil resources, once again don’t think just vehicles, and think energy as well.
As for those who buy by the liter paying so much for so long, buying from OPEC in similar to getting supplies for your businesses. Who is going to pay less per paper clip? The company that buys a thousand paper clips or the one that buys a million?
Without a doubt here in America the value of the dollar is impacting the prices, government tax certainly, but with only a certain amount of oil being pumped out of the ground prices with forever go higher. It also doesn’t help that the region is unstable due to our occupation.
Alternative fuels for cars and our electricity must also be looked into, power plants should rely less on fossil fuels (coal and oil). Others should be developed further and expanded.
Nuclear
Geothermal
Solar
Wind
Hydroelectric (including wind and tide)
Hydrogen fuel cells
Etc.
Just my $.02
P.S. The following link is the price breakdown of gasoline in California.
http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html
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http://www.houstongasprices.com/price_by_county.aspx
Pretty coool site show the price of gas all over the states.
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The value of the dollar certainly causes a problem, but how does this explain ridiculous prices elsewhere in the world?
Where "elsewhere in the world" do you mean? The price of gasoline has only increased by 2% in my country since 2005, and in the UK it has only increased by 12% since 2006. Hardly a dramatic increase considering an annual inflation of more than 4% in the UK.
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Where "elsewhere in the world" do you mean? The price of gasoline has only increased by 2% in my country since 2005, and in the UK it has only increased by 12% since 2006. Hardly a dramatic increase considering an annual inflation of more than 4% in the UK.
I meant generally countries with smaller populations pay more at the pump than larger ones historically. With the numbers you gave 6% increase per year in gasoline cost and 4% inflation, that is a difference of 30% pretty dramatic i would say.
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We in Europe pay ridiculous prices at the pump because fuel is heavily taxed. In my country 80% of the price is tax.
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Hence my last link Lumpy, it's not any one cause it's several tied into one another which was the point of my post, look at the prices of crude over the last decade as well.
http://www.ioga.com/Special/crudeoil_Hist.htm
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With the numbers you gave 6% increase per year in gasoline cost and 4% inflation, that is a difference of 30% pretty dramatic i would say.
Not dramatic at all. A 2% annual increase in fuel price compared to other consumer goods is in no way dramatic.
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Hence my last link Lumpy, it's not any one cause it's several tied into one another which was the point of my post, look at the prices of crude over the last decade as well.
http://www.ioga.com/Special/crudeoil_Hist.htm
This is where I'm seriously starting to wonder about you. If the Dollar loses half its value, then naturally the price of oil, measured in Dollars, will double. However I'm not paying more of my country's currency for the oil since my currency has doubled its value compared to the Dollar. I am paying 12.70 NOK for one litre of petrol now. In 2005 I paid on average 12.54 NOK per litre.
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Oil prices ARE increasing, but not nearly enough to be the primary factor in the dramatic increase in fuel prices in America.
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This is where I'm seriously starting to wonder about you. If the Dollar loses half its value, then naturally the price of oil, measured in Dollars, will double. However I'm not paying more of my country's currency for the oil since my currency has doubled its value compared to the Dollar. I am paying 12.70 NOK for one litre of petrol now. In 2005 I paid on average 12.54 NOK per litre.
Lumpy did you even read my entire first post or just pick out 1 tiny thing and decide to argue against it? First off where do you live (otherwise I cannot research and develop a response)? Second how does the volume of oil purchased by your country compare to other high volume countries purchasing oil.
The whole point of my post is that it isn't just one thing look at the second link of crude oil prices. Value of currency, stability of region, supply and demand so on and so forth. The point of the post is it's not oil company profits that make gasoline prices high, for instance you said yourself your government taxes are 80% of the price where you live.
look at the California price breakdown link, ad the price of crude oil which has increase dramatically over the last 10 years.
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I live in Norway.
"Crude rose to a new trading record of $115.54 overnight as the dollar fell to a new low against the euro, but later pulled back when the dollar strengthened."
"Crude prices have jumped more than 4 percent this week due in part to the falling dollar, but also because of supply and demand concerns in the U.S. and abroad."
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080417/oil_prices.html
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Isn't that what I was trying to say?
With your previous post of prices of crude they have increased that much and this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7083015.stm with your link just support my original post.
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From your latest link: "The falling US dollar has also driven up oil prices as they have to gain to compensate for a slide in the currency."
You said:"The value of the dollar certainly causes a problem, but how does this explain ridiculous prices elsewhere in the world?" That is the only part of your post I have a problem with. The USA is seeing a much MUCH more dramatic increase in fuel prices than the rest of the world due to the fall of the Dollar. And while the price of fuel in my country is very high, it is due to taxation rather than oil prices. The price at the pump in my country has increased by about 20% the last 10 years, and 20% the ten years before that. While the increase in oil prices has affected the price at the pump it has an almost negligible effect for the Norwegian consumer.
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But a big difference between your country and many in the world is that Norway is an exporter of gas and oil, of course your gases would be more stable than one that imports oil. That is something I should have stated in my original post, countries that produce oil and gas and and export it will have more stable oil prices http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1094136.ece and http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article1092660.ece, but honestly prices in your country are just extremely high and I look around further.
Perhaps this should explain a bit more http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624651/posts gasoline prices for non exporting nations are getting out of hand, price of crude (supply and demand and taxation) account for much of oil prices not price gouging by the oil companies which is generally thought. England and much of Europe prices have risen almost 20% in 4 months that is significant increase.
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Did you notice that both Aftenposten articles were from 2005 and the Freerepublic one was from 2006?
There was a blip of unusual high prices in 2005 for some reason. The price of fuel actually went down after that, but continued to steadilly increase to today's level which is approximately the same as in 2005.
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Oh, and the Norwegian government do not regulate the price of fuel here (beside the ridiculous taxes already mentioned). Norwegian oil is sold on the world-wide oil marked just like oil from the middle east, and Norwegian distributors must compete with every other buyer just like you.
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You are continuing to argue after what we are saying has been the same thing since my original post, you win even though everything you have said agreed with what I wrote. Also about the older articles it was what i could find on short notice one I found from a year ago, showed Norway as having the highest prices at the pump in the world. Once again as I have to say the same thing gas prices around the world are extremely high, this is due to:
1. price of crude (supply and demand)
2. taxation (as seen in your country which is extremely high)
3. inflation
4. refining costs (new refineries are not being built here in the US would would lessen a bottle neck a bit)
What is not the expected case is price gouging, look at gas history prices for some of your neighboring countries and those that are far flung just support my original post and what you have said which explains it further.
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Oh, and the Norwegian government do not regulate the price of fuel here (beside the ridiculous taxes already mentioned). Norwegian oil is sold on the world-wide oil marked just like oil from the middle east, and Norwegian distributors must compete with every other buyer just like you.
So again we are agreeing with each other!
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But a big difference between your country and many in the world is that Norway is an exporter of gas and oil, of course your gases would be more stable than one that imports oil.
Norwegian oil is sold on the world-wide oil marked just like oil from the middle east, and Norwegian distributors must compete with every other buyer just like you.
So again we are agreeing with each other!
Hardly. If the drastic increase in US prices at the pump was related to the price of oil you would see the same drastic increase in Norway as well, but we don't. I'm sorry, but your argument is flawed.
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You said:"The value of the dollar certainly causes a problem, but how does this explain ridiculous prices elsewhere in the world?" That is the only part of your post I have a problem with.
If you read the quote, gas prices in the US are related to cost here in the country. But how does this explain high gas prices elsewhere in the world in Norway Taxes are huge so that explains the differences, crude prices are higher that explains why prices are higher, cost of refining, demand all these relate to high gas prices. Supply and demand as you say competition drive prices etc.
http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/magazine/15-06/st_atlas
Norway is the world's third-largest oil exporter, but hefty taxes aimed at reducing CO2 emissions mean high prices for petrol. So yes taxes in your country are the cause of high gas prices there (not price gouging of oil companies which was my original point) "The value of the dollar certainly causes a problem, but how does this explain ridiculous prices elsewhere in the world?" I am saying here and it may just be a translation issue is that the value of the dollar does NOT affect prices elsewhere in the world that is why I put the word "BUT" in there.
Once again I put the word BUT which means the US dollar has nothing to do with prices elsewhere, again BUT means it doesn't relate to other countries.
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Yes it might be a misunderstanding on my part. For every post you make I'm less sure of what you're trying to say. :)
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Agreed! :)
I was trying to say what you were saying LOL
Gas prices in Norway have nothing to do with the US dollar, taxation is the cause.
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Yup :)
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Actually I am going to convert my Dodge D-50 to steam... Lamont steam generator, 2 cyl steam 10 HP engine, (note steam hp are different from ICE hp the 2 ton Doble steam car was 10 hp and is quick for it's size) dual core misting condenser, and multi fuel. Time from cold start to usable steam, 90 seconds, gasoline start but operation will be on wood pellets. (that is a gasoline burner starts the auger driven solid fuel burning, should use around a gallon of gas a week of daily driving) Oh and BTW no transmission, steam has 100% torque at 0 rpm.
Regards,
Kevin
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And that will cost you...?
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The government gets no more money when the price rises as that is a fixed tax per gallon.
The price per gallon is controlled by supply and demand. Further, it fluctuates as the price per barrel of oil rises, which is publicly traded.
The prices in the US have risen as the value of the dollar has declined.
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I just blow by the gas stations on the Harley and fart in their general direction.
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I just blow by the gas stations on the Harley and fart in their general direction.
Don't fart too hard or it will break down.
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Paid $4.159 for regular today.... Nothing like what others have been paying, I know, but most ever for me
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Don't fart too hard or it will break down.
Must be a worshipper of the rice god.
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On June 6 1932 congress passed the "Revenue Act of 1932" which placed a 1 cent tax on every "gallon" of gas purchased. As of 2005 the tax by the federal government in the U.S. was 18.5 cents on every "gallon" of gas. There never has been a tax on the dollar amount of gas by the federal government as some of you have been so falsely led to believe. If you need to see facts go to Federal Bureau of Transportation website, the Weights and Measures website, or e-mail American Automobile Association or O.O.I.D.A. they will be more than happy to correct your false ideas. Now having said that the states gas taxes are another thing as some states do tax on the dollar rather than the gallon. Also in the 1950's the federal government passed a bill that mandated that 100% of all money collected under the Revenue Act go to the upkeep and expansion of our national highway system. Unfortunately we've all seen how well that's working. :( As a truck driver i've probably forgotten more about how the gas taxes work than most of you care to learn. IMO they should show you the taxes your paying for every gallon, federal, state, county, and city, then you'll know who not to vote for.
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And that will cost you...?
Advance note, these are estimates.
Lamont generator, $250.00 materials, 3 to 10 hours time, largest single cost item is the in line hot water pump. Also note the Lamont generator can run on high mineral or oil contaminated water.
Steam engine, $100.00 materials, 10 to 25 hours time. cost could increase if I decide to put roller bearings throughout the engine. Also thinking about making it Joy valve gear and uni-flow.
Condenser, $50.00 5 to 10 hours time. Fan forced draft and a mist injector tube in the steam return will help retain more of the water for re use and extend the range between water fills.
Other stuff, Injectors, pumps, blower, safety valves, etc. $250.00 probably another 30 hours of time, this is where you have to tweak the system to get it to work right.
adding a fudge factor gives around $1000.00 in materials and around 100 hours of time @ 5 to 10 hours a week. (still have to go to work and put food on the table Grin)
If you are interested I can put up a step by step.
The biggest disadvantage is the differential of the truck, it goes from high RPM to low, an makes your steam engine run faster than a 1 to 1 ratio connection would require.
Also I have some interesting links...
Let me know if you want them.
Regards,
Kevin
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Must be a worshipper of the rice god.
Just because someone points out a Harley isn't exactly dependable (nor great on gas) .... means he likes rice? ;)
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a private company the federal bank ultimately controls the price of gas as oil is pegged to the dollar... they devalue and inflate the dollar to feed wall street so exporters naturally want more dollars for a barrel.
this also forces other countries due to simple economics to dump their depreciating dollar reserves and diverse into appreciating euros continuing the slide in value of the dollar.
once the majority oil exporting countries are forced to diverse to a petroeuro exchange the euro will probably acquire a par status with the dollar in regards to world reserve currency.
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Just because someone points out a Harley isn't exactly dependable (nor great on gas) .... means he likes rice?
Evidently Mooray if that`s what one is dumb enough to believe.
Someone forgot to tell me that before running my old `60 Harley since JC was wearing tennis shoes. Still going strong.
I get around 55 mpg or better on my `02 with it tripping the ribbon. Someone forgot to tell me it was bad on gas also I guess.
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yeah... you would have thought that moray would have done even a tiny bit of research on Harley gas mileage before he blurted out his urban myth. But then.. he does tend to let myth and science get all tangled up a lot.
my R75 BMW doesn't get any better mileage than my old troublehead used to.. around 50.. little more.
lazs
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maybe if the fed would raise the interest rate instead of lowering it, the dollar could begin to regain some value. Also we need to bring some manufacturing jobs back to the US... an economy that is based 70%+ on consumer spending alone cannot stand. I figure that if we have wage laws, OSHA Regulations, environmental laws, product safety laws, etc that our manufacturers MUST comply with, walmart and dollar general should not be able to stock their shelves with items that were not produced with the same restrictions... PLUS communist china is subsidizing their industries to kill the industrial target in our country. And dont even get me started about the 30,000,000 scumbag illegal invaders... We are screwing ourselves
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A recent study found the average American walks
>> about 900
>> > > miles year.
>> > > Another study found Americans drink, on average,
>> 22 gallons
>> > > of alcohol a year . That means, on average,
>> Americans get
>> > > about 41 miles to the gallon.
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>> > > Kind Of Makes You Proud To Be An American. :aok
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I hate the gas prices today. here where i live, its $3.57 a gallon and it never costed this much. I mean, the oil/gas companies are making like millions or billions of dollars each year, cant hurt to lower the prices, not like its going to be bankrupt. While on vacation in California, the gas was $4 a gallon! :furious But the upside is that the people of where i live might be using public transportation more. Tell about your opionions of the gas prices where u live. <We should strike to the gas companies, but they might place an embargo on the gas prices around the world> Invent the new alternative fuel already!!!!!
ok you do know we are running out of oil, estimated 2 run out by in 40 years, so mayby the high prices isent a bad thing, but it causes stocks 2 go down and economy 2 crumble even farther then it is now
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the price off fuel is still too high! i would like too know your solution?
Use less.
I know that's probably not what you want to hear. There are a lot of people offering easy answers like build new refineries, or tax the oil companies, or sue the Arabs, or stop the speculators, or fit this magic device that gives you 300 mpg. The only real answer is use less.
If you halve your oil consumption you will only have to pay half as much. If everybody in the US halved their consumption, and the US uses more than twice as much oil, per capita, as Britain, France or Germany, then not only would the US be buying a lot less foreign oil, it would drive the oil price down for everyone. You'd end up paying about a third as much for oil as you do now.
,say look at the pres. candidates two have a way to put in a short term fix so they are trying too help! how ever fleeting that help might be, the third is only saying how that wont work it is a stop gap measure and it wont do any good,, no solution from him tho just excuses!
Politicians are pretty good at telling people what they want to hear. Action that won't change the situation, or even make things worse, like corn ethanol, isn't a solution. It will end up costing you more. How does that help?
we need solutions to the problem today, and ten years from now, and 20 years from now! we are going too use more energy every year till the end of life as we know it! so yes lets develop hydrogen and other alterative fuels, lets use natural gas in our cars, and lets save our economy before it is wrecked beyond repair for the next 10 to 20 years by outrageous fuel prices controlled by foriegn powers!
By all means look for alternative fuels. I'm all in favour of funding research in to alternatives to oil. Just don't let anyone con you in to paying subsidies for alternatives that are worse than what we have now, such as hydrogen.
Long term I don't see a problem, we will find alternatives before oil runs out. Whether we find alternatives before oil becomes incredibly expensive is another matter.
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Use less.
I know that's probably not what you want to hear. There are a lot of people offering easy answers like build new refineries, or tax the oil companies, or sue the Arabs, or stop the speculators, or fit this magic device that gives you 300 mpg. The only real answer is use less.
If you halve your oil consumption you will only have to pay half as much. If everybody in the US halved their consumption, and the US uses more than twice as much oil, per capita, as Britain, France or Germany, then not only would the US be buying a lot less foreign oil, it would drive the oil price down for everyone. You'd end up paying about a third as much for oil as you do now.
Politicians are pretty good at telling people what they want to hear. Action that won't change the situation, or even make things worse, like corn ethanol, isn't a solution. It will end up costing you more. How does that help?
By all means look for alternative fuels. I'm all in favour of funding research in to alternatives to oil. Just don't let anyone con you in to paying subsidies for alternatives that are worse than what we have now, such as hydrogen.
Long term I don't see a problem, we will find alternatives before oil runs out. Whether we find alternatives before oil becomes incredibly expensive is another matter.
That's my solution, I'm trying to use less. My Jeep is paid off and it's a 6 cylinder. So it does just okay. To buy a fuel effecient car doesn't make sense. The prices have gone up drastically and the payments would out strip any gas savings. So it is just a matter of driving less. You can't repossess a paid off car. What I hope to do is get a bike for short hops and walk more. I need the exercise anyway.
The politicians think the massess are stupid. It seems many are though. So like you said they feed the ignorance.
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ok you do know we are running out of oil, estimated 2 run out by in 40 years, so mayby the high prices isent a bad thing, but it causes stocks 2 go down and economy 2 crumble even farther then it is now
http://www.livescience.com/environment/051011_oil_origins.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645
check these out.
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gas is at 1.30 a liter here...it still only takes 3 hours of work to drive for a week.
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The price per gallon is controlled by supply and demand.
Just call it greed and be done with it.
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it has just been announced that the govt has been investigating the oil futures market for the past six months.
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it has just been announced that the govt has been investigating the oil futures market for the past six months.
but how long will that go on? will they actually do anything? and finally, do you REALLY think gas will drop below $3.00 again even IF the price of crude goes back to that level?
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do you REALLY think gas will drop below $3.00 again even IF the price of crude goes back to that level?
I watch the price of crude oil pretty much every day on my Google Homepage Tabs. It's funny to see the gas stations raise their prices a day or so later if the price of oil jumps a fail amount ($1+). But when oil was $134 or so last week and see that its 128-$129 now and the price at the pump hasn't budged makes me wonder.
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I watch the price of crude oil pretty much every day on my Google Homepage Tabs. It's funny to see the gas stations raise their prices a day or so later if the price of oil jumps a fail amount ($1+). But when oil was $134 or so last week and see that its 128-$129 now and the price at the pump hasn't budged makes me wonder.
my point exactly
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maybe if the fed would raise the interest rate instead of lowering it, the dollar could begin to regain some value. Also we need to bring some manufacturing jobs back to the US... an economy that is based 70%+ on consumer spending alone cannot stand. I figure that if we have wage laws, OSHA Regulations, environmental laws, product safety laws, etc that our manufacturers MUST comply with, walmart and dollar general should not be able to stock their shelves with items that were not produced with the same restrictions... PLUS communist china is subsidizing their industries to kill the industrial target in our country. And dont even get me started about the 30,000,000 scumbag illegal invaders... We are screwing ourselves
More myth.
Manufacturing output in the U.S. has never been higher and exceeds that of China (ref: http://www.freetrade.org/node/737 (http://www.freetrade.org/node/737))
And in particular, the phenomenal growth of the U.S. steel industry is a well kept secret (interesting article: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2006/10/16/does-big-steel-still-dominate-us-trade-policy/ (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2006/10/16/does-big-steel-still-dominate-us-trade-policy/)).
Talk about some inconvenient truths for politicians. No matter. If they keep telling us how terrible it is for U.S. manufacturing jobs and how shameful that we are so reliant on China, most will never bother to call BS on them.
Of course, if you keep voting the way you are, and let your representatives "help" you like they keep promising, then you certainly *will* see a decline of prosperity in U.S. manufacturing.
And the way we are all well and truly going to be screwed over soon is with health care "reform". They've already hosed us by mandating that health care be tied to employment, but that ain't nothin' compared to the what's in store. Once they control your health care, not only will the U.S. lose our competitive edge, but freedom will be just a distant memory (for those of us who care to remember it).
Sorry - back to gas prices...