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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: AAolds on June 01, 2008, 06:30:55 PM
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The Tiger I is friggen joke of a tank anymore. Please upgrade it or remove it from the game. It is a disgrace in its current manifestation and not worth the perks it costs at all.
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And what exactly should be upgraded?
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The Armor: needs attention considering how many people get 1 shot killed at long range by panzers and M4s.
The Cannon: is a joke. Ive seen t34s, M4s and panzers take many direct hits and live, when the 88mm was at the time among the most lethal of cannons to be had.
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The Armor: needs attention considering how many people get 1 shot killed at long range by panzers and M4s.
The Cannon: is a joke. Ive seen t34s, M4s and panzers take many direct hits and live, when the 88mm was at the time among the most lethal of cannons to be had.
Most lethal doesn mean "guaranteed kill".
And actually it also is the most lethal tank cannon in game.
And about that 1 shot long range kills by M4 and panzers I have to say two thing:
- Keep in mind the M4 is a firefly with actually one of the most powerful tank guns in WW2.
- People have a better memory for negative occurences - the few instances where people will in fact get killed by panzers at long range will be greatly overemphasized in memory
The Tiger still has a 5-1 K/D on the Panzer IV, and most Tigers did get killed by Panzer at close ranges for sure.
It's still the most potent tank in AH2. No other GV can klill as good at long & very long ranges, no tank has better armor and, NO gv can survive enemy bombardment as well as a Tiger (When alone and defending a port vs enemy air missions, I roll a Tiger, not Wirble - guess why...)
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Every time sombody dies in a GV perk ride, we get a thread like this, calling for something to be "fixed". Please.
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Every time sombody dies in a GV perk ride, we get a thread like this, calling for something to be "fixed". Please.
I know i get plenty of richoecheas from tanks in tiger and iv killed plenty of tanks with 1 shot, only one time i have had when i shot a sherman three times and he shot me ounce and i died
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Id just like to see the Tiger get a measure of justice as the most feared tank in WWII----as it is, the M4 is a better than the Tiger in all ways other than climb rate over a hill.
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Wanna know the secret of tiger use.
Stay more than 1.5 away. You didn't hear it from me though.
:noid
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Id just like to see the Tiger get a measure of justice as the most feared tank in WWII----as it is, the M4 is a better than the Tiger in all ways other than climb rate over a hill.
BS
The armor is better period.
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Considering how much you tank Bronk......... you'd know.......... :rofl
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prove it.
I have many times. I've yet to lose a tiger if my opponent is more than 1.5 away. If a sherman is foolish enough to trade rounds at that distance he is toast.
ohh and i suck in gvs to boot.
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Id just like to see the Tiger get a measure of justice as the most feared tank in WWII----as it is, the M4 is a better than the Tiger in all ways
No, it isnt.
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Considering how much you tank Bronk......... you'd know.......... :rofl
Yea cuz point and click is teh hard. :aok
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i have lost so many tigers to one shot kills at any range i dont even use them anymore. they are a joke. i have much better luck in the panzer.
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i have lost so many tigers to one shot kills at any range i dont even use them anymore. they are a joke. i have much better luck in the panzer.
This tour, your
K/D in Tiger 2.5 (5-2)
K/D in Panzer 1.0 (7-7)
Doesn't really look like "more luck" at a glance ;)
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Did anyone notice if they were on knight side at port ... umm i forgets... anyway, Vanscrew was in a Tiger and it took 13 Panzers, and 4 fighter planes loaded with 20mm Hispano bullets to knock the guys tank into swiss cheese. You are asking for Vanscrew to live through 13 x 2 Panzers (26 Panzers), and 4 x 2 fighter planes (8 fighter planes) LOADED WITH 20mm explosive rounds (Hispano bullets) to kill him?? :confused: :confused: :huh :huh
That is scary :uhoh
I was one of those fighter planes, and i was in Spit XVI, i hit him with more than 130 .20mm Hispano and at least 250 .50 caliber bullets and he managed to live. :cry
Your asking for hell. I ain't in, horrible, pathetic, thread lol.
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4 x 2 fighter planes (8 fighter planes) LOADED WITH 20mm explosive rounds (Hispano bullets) to kill him?? :confused: :confused: :huh :huh
Your're really thinking 20mm thin-walled HE rounds should harm or even kill a heavy tank?
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Either one, he is still asking for something that made him mad because he was probably ambushed by another tank... Tiger is good enough as it is. Leave it be, thank you. :furious :furious :mad:
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Valerio, you should make your posts a bit clearer. Stop and think out what point you are trying to get across before just blurting it out.
And just so you know is 1 person had brought ords (and knew how to make an attack run), he'd be toast.
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I dont know enough about Tank'ing to really have an opinion. I'll say this tho, the Tiger in AH strikes as more a special purpose tank and not a real general purpose, fire and maneuver, tank. As a spawn camper its without peer, and spawn camping is a big part of tanking in the game. Ive upped a few Tigers for base defense, moved them towards avenues of enemy approach, turned the engines off, and from cover engaged enemy tanks from long range. Thats where the Tiger really seems to have value. As a long range defensive tank.
Actually in real life it was feared in that role as well wasnt it?
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From wikipedia:
Tigers were capable of destroying the American Sherman or British Churchill IV at ranges exceeding 1,600 m. In contrast, the Soviet T-34 equipped with the 76.2 mm gun could not penetrate the Tiger frontally at any range, but could achieve a side penetration at approximately 500 m firing the BR-350P APCR ammunition. The T34-85's 85 mm gun could penetrate the Tiger from the side at over 1,000 m. The IS-2's 122 mm gun could destroy the Tiger at ranges exceeding 1,000 m from any aspect.
From a 30 degree angle of attack the M4 Sherman's 75 mm gun could not penetrate the Tiger frontally at any range, and needed to be within 100 m to achieve a side penetration against the 80mm upper hull superstructure. The British 17-pounder as used on the Sherman Firefly, firing its normal APCBC ammunition, could penetrate frontally out to over 2,000 m.
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Yep.. An M4 will turret or kill a Tiger easily from 2K.. I'm pretty sure I've had it happen beyond that too. Add the M4's relatively very flat trajectory in either type of ammo, the Tiger's slow turret speed, and the M4 is easily dominant in maybe 75% of AH GV circumstances.
The only realistic addition to the Tiger I can think of for AH, is smoke sprayers.
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only one time i have had when i shot a sherman three times and he shot me ounce and i died
happened more than once for me. But the Sherman should have a higher perk, the Tiger is fine. It does seem a bit weaker, even to Panzers since the M4 came out, but its a small thing if it is any different. But the M4 should have an increased perk, not the Tiger be removed.
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Been ages since I read up on armor but if I recall correctly the Tiger would excel in long range engagements. It was designed as a breakthrough heavy tank, assaulting and punching a hole in the enemies defenses that would then allow the rest of the unit to move into the rear area and envelope the enemy. The Tiger was at it's best in open terrain where it's heavy armor and gun would be an advantage in most engagements. One thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet was historically the optics on the Tiger were superior to what would be typically found on allied tanks, allowing it to accurately engage targets at range.
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you must have gotten those scores from late war. i hardly go in there. i know ive lost more tigers in mid war then i have kills and way more kills then deaths in a panzer.
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ok, i stand corrected. i just figured out how to check the kill stats. i have more kills then i remembered in a tiger but i can say this, almost every one of my deaths in a tiger were 1 shot kills.
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Ive upped a few Tigers for base defense, moved them towards avenues of enemy approach, turned the engines off, and from cover engaged enemy tanks from long range. Thats where the Tiger really seems to have value. As a long range defensive tank.
Actually in real life it was feared in that role as well wasnt it?
88mm rifled barrel, made for it.
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Now a question that does beg asking is why is there not a simple two lens range finder?
Not that GV'ing needs to be easier, but IMO it would be an historic addition.
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The Tiger I is friggen joke of a tank anymore. Please upgrade it or remove it from the game. It is a disgrace in its current manifestation and not worth the perks it costs at all.
agreed
i have not used a tiger since the sherman came out,
its sad................. :(
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its not the gun hitler didn understand that the gun should have been smaller while maintaining its lethalness the gun shoots a big round sure but it fires to heavy of a rond making it slow less affective at long range
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Every time sombody dies in a GV perk ride, we get a thread like this, calling for something to be "fixed". Please.
Yea, but AAolds isn't Valdals, he's pretty legit about his wishes/complaints.
I really like Tiger tanks, but they too much perkies. (easier to kill my enemies with a Tiger tank).
I usually just take a Sherman and forget about it. And when I see a tiger, I'll be shootin and hitting it for 15min, he hits me once and kills me. When I'm in a Tiger, same deal.
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Although I'm a crappy gver I do think that the Tiger is up to par to what it should be. I do think that the panzer model we have has either to large of side rear armor or an underpowered gun. This chart shows the gun's capabilities.
The ability of the 7.5 cm KwK 40 (L/48) against a plate sloped of 30 degrees from the vertical
Pzgr. 39/43 Pzgr. 40/43 Gr. 38 HL/B Gr. 38 HL/C
Shell weight (Kgs) 6.8 4.10 4.57 4.80
Muzzle velocity (m/s) 790 990 --- ---
Range
100 m 106 mm 143 mm 75 mm 100 mm
500 m 96 mm 120 mm 75 mm 100 mm
1000 m 85 mm 97 mm 75 mm 100 mm
1500 m 74 mm 77 mm 75 mm 100 mm
2000 m 64 mm --- 75 mm 100 mm
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/quarters/4635/tanks/pz4/pz4.htm
Our version has 33mm of side and rear armor. I was unable to even disable a panzer from about the 7o'clock postion with two shots. I also can not destroy an M4 from the same range with the panzer with one shot to the frontal armor. Also I have hit a tiger at least ten times in the side at a range of 500mm. Although I could see the tiger taking 3-5 of these side hits I think it should have been a smoking hulk of wreckage by 10.
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Either way, puh-leeze do something about "Teh uber rubber bouncy trees of vengeful deth." Lost as many tigers to trees as to bloody shermans. Soft brush up against it and, hey presto, 50 tons goes airborne.
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One tiger was reported to have survived 200+ hits from enemy tanks, a damaged transmission and it still made it home. No tiger in this game has even come close to such a feat.
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but hey now ive shot down aircraft before with tiger
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I main wish for the tiger is to change the default skin to something other than orange/brown. We have no maps with that color ground cover. While shermans have that nice green color skin...makes it alot harder to see them. I have a video of Rodar and I shooting it out from long distance. We bounced alot of shots off eachother till he turreted me...think I bounced 15+ shots off him. He was M4 and I was in a tiger btw. It's kinda funny now but I was pissed at the time.
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I main wish for the tiger is to change the default skin to something other than orange/brown.
Download the skins for it. I think you will find something to your liking.
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Download the skins for it. I think you will find something to your liking.
That won't help him. People like me that have skins disabled will still see the deafult skin, regardless what his own choice is.
And that orange/brown default skin is nicely standing out among all those green terrain features... ;)
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Download the skins for it. I think you will find something to your liking.
yeah what Lusche...err Snailman said. I do have the skins DLed. Try disabling the skins and see how the panzers and tigers stick out....like putting a big flag on top saying SHOOT ME!
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That won't help him. People like me that have skins disabled will still see the deafult skin, regardless what his own choice is.
And that orange/brown default skin is nicely standing out among all those green terrain features... ;)
Thats a good thing ;)
Either way, puh-leeze do something about "Teh uber rubber bouncy trees of vengeful deth." Lost as many tigers to trees as to bloody shermans. Soft brush up against it and, hey presto, 50 tons goes airborne.
And, I've never had that happen to me.... How does it happen to you? I dont know... :)
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Only problem I want changed for all tanks is historical optics... I honestly doubt that the M4 Firefly had a zoom/FOV that huge. HT would have to add a no-zoom function in gunner seat and add a bit more umph to Cmrds zoom abilites to simulate that.
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Only problem I want changed for all tanks is historical optics... I honestly doubt that the M4 Firefly had a zoom/FOV that huge. HT would have to add a no-zoom function in gunner seat and add a bit more umph to Cmrds zoom abilites to simulate that.
I'm sure they want GVing possible though. Not at close alts. But would be a nice addition is a binoculars for you pintle driver/gunner.
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in real life, t34s would charge tigers, few panzer's main guns had even better penetration than the tigers (few), vc firefly Sherman's have faster turning turrets, better range, and better accuracy, and even barely better speed (about 1 mph), not to mention there 2 inch rounds are pretty close to a 88mm.
i know homebody's gonna argue with this reply... my forum sences are tingling
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It should be your spelling police senses... :noid
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in real life, t34s would charge tigers, few panzer's main guns had even better penetration than the tigers (few), vc firefly Sherman's have faster turning turrets, better range, and better accuracy, and even barely better speed (about 1 mph), not to mention there 2 inch rounds are pretty close to a 88mm.
i know homebody's gonna argue with this reply... my forum sences are tingling
If all thats true why is the perk on the M4 so low? I know you can't anwser that....only HTC can. I think they are Tiger haterzzzzzz.
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i agree.im starting to see panzers with a better 1 shot survival than the tiger. i hit a panzer 11 times and all i was able to do was kill his engine and track him. i finally got him on the 12th hit. then the same guy returned and it took 6 hits. plus from the air i saw a tiger fire and hit a m4 sherman at close range and the sherman survive only to kill the tiger in one shot. plus i had a la7 kill me with a single 250lb bomb strike. i remember a tiger taking as much as a 1000lb bomb and survive. just ask vanscrew his tank survived 9 hits and over 2000lbs of bombs before the last update.
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I didn't lose a Tiger at all last night, and there were plenty of 1 shot kills dealt. :aok
The Tiger is fine if not a little pricey, the M4 may be a tad overmodelled though.
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lemme tell ya sommen the storie goes a little somen like this:
the t34 had thik up to date slanted armor th m4 firefly had mor modern armor the germans never upgraded the tiger becaus it cost too much the t34 and m4 fireflys were the destructors of the tiger which left the tiger out of most lethal see we think of the germans havin the best tanks they didn the britts russias and of course america :aok but the tiger was the prey of the t34s and m4 fireflys and comets the germans werent able to use money because they couldn afford the tiger upgrade but managed to scrape up enough money to replace the tiger with the king tiger
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lemme tell ya sommen the storie goes a little somen like this:
the t34 had thik up to date slanted armor th m4 firefly had mor modern armor the germans never upgraded the tiger becaus it cost too much the t34 and m4 fireflys were the destructors of the tiger which left the tiger out of most lethal see we think of the germans havin the best tanks they didn the britts russias and of course america :aok but the tiger was the prey of the t34s and m4 fireflys and comets the germans werent able to use money because they couldn afford the tiger upgrade but managed to scrape up enough money to replace the tiger with the king tiger
there is a period button, you know that, right
also, press the spell check button for gods sake
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If your saying you want it upgraded,you want the Tiger II.
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well alls im sayin the big huge gun and armor of the tiger has advantages its able to mak kills at close range
and take no damage
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I don't GV much but I used to always take a Tiger until the M4s showed up and kept killing me with 1 shot. So I started tooling around in the M4 at that point. The other day I hit a Tiger 2 and 3 times in each of my 4 sorties against it, and everytime the Tiger killed me with 1 shot. It seems the Tiger works well as long as I'm not in it. :cry
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The plural of anecdote is not data.