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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Maverick on April 04, 2001, 12:28:00 AM
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This post actually ties into two closed threads. The last was closed in only 62 minutes.
That HAS to be a record for this BBS.
I was very confused by Pyro’;s actions in closing the thread that had proof of hacking in
the game. What really confused me was his tirade about problem mongering. I guess I
really missed something there. I thought, after reading the newer posts, that the thread
was actually very supportive of the HTC crew. Of course there was the usual “characters”
bashing each other and doing nothing but bait each other. However, they were bashing
each other, NOT Pyro or HTC.
I found the majority of the posters were very concerned and hopeful that hackers would
be kept out so the game would remain fair and playable. I <S> Mitsu for his actions. He
provided proof of hacking and posted it for all to see what REAL hacking was in AH. For
those who hack, you must know that plenty of us would be happy to do the same and get
your sorry butts out of the game. For those who want to “claim” hacking, provide proof
as convincing as Mitsu did. if you can’t provide proof, shaddup and keep playing.
What really disturbed me was Pyro’s coments. Pyro you must never have had to
experience being spat upon. You have no freaking clue what type of reaction you have to
repress when someone spits on you just because of your job. A Law Enforcement Officer,
does not have the option to do what they would like to do in such a situation. You have to
hold yourself back and “respect the rights” of the creature that just spit on you. I sincerely
hope you never have that experience. Being the subject of such hatred is not pleasant by
any stretch of the imagination.
If you were upset about the pricing comments about a discount for AW players switching
to AH, there are two ways to handle them. If it is not true, say so and let everyone know
the statements made by Nath are false.
If it is true then admit it and take your lumps. A multilayered pricing scheme for the same
product is not palatable to your customer base. It would be a slap in the face to those who
have been playing and paying full price. You should not expect your customers to like it.
There should be no reason to give a discount to AW players to start playing AH absent any work towards AH like the CM's and Trainers. AW, if
you believe the comments made earlier, is going away. The players can switch over if they
wish just like those of us who played AW, WB and Confirmed Kill did. A price discount
to an AW squad to join AH is mind boggling, particularly if it is true that AW is folding
soon. What could possibly make them more valuable to HTC than the current members
you have?
Lastly, Towd you were out of line with your comments. It isn’t necessary to be so nasty in
your posts. You do not have to be so nasty just to let others know you aren’t happy.
Mav
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 04-04-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 04-04-2001).]
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After watching some of the threads erupt here, I would bet serious money that people get off on being instigators.
Won't say who. Just an observation.
Pyro obviously got a little frustrated. Who wouldn't? Every 5th guy has a complaint about this small company and everyone 'knows' how to run things better. "We need an early war planeset or else", "no more strat" (that ones for a certain someone out there who I love (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)), "x-plane is overmodelled" etc etc...
I've seen more complaints here then I did when I worked for Hoyts movie theater. There, people complained about the horrible prices for food and tickets almost every 10 min. It gets on your nerves when someone can't find something good to say. Look at this board. Anyone coming in will see the bad apples and think 'why would I want to play this game with these types of people.'
Nevermind. I'm going into a rant, and the worst part is that the main point of 'shutting the f**k up will never get across to those who need it most.
Thank god we get to shoot em down.
I like this game. I like the company. They've taken good care of me and so I'm staying. For all those who think otherwise, why don't you just leave? It's a click away...
Moose out.
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Hacking thread was many months old and it was not an issue anymore so it was useless to bring it up again.
The other thread was started by some retarted and bitter person and the thread had no value, it was only a whine.
I think this thread is also useless and it will be locked too.
Which is nice.
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Totaly agree with Pyro on this.
AH is his property, and he has the right to protect it any way he sees fit.
Dog out............
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Don't know if hacking is an issue or not, and I seriously doubt anyone, other than Htc. staff themselves and the eventual hacker, has an informed opinion.
Hacking is, IMO, the most dangerous threat to this (and any other) online game. Taking the small bits of information that leak on this issue, I think Htc. has taken the most appropiate way to fight this, and based on my online experience, it is not an issue nowadays. Maybe it happens, I don't know for sure, maybe I'll never now, and I don't care. All I can say is that my online experience is, overall, really rewarding. All strange things happening to me in the Arenas are possibly due to net lag, lack of skill, etc., before I can possibly think in a hack.
If you have a suspect on a hack, have the film sent to Htc. (I usually fly with Recorder ON). Unless I have proof on contrary, I trust them. I have none as of yet.
On the price issue, I could care less.... I vote with my wallet on a monthly basis. If I ever become uncomfortable with the game, my vote will be $0. At the time being, apart from the occasional burst in Ch1 (please have my appologies for that), I'm having a hell of a time with this sim/game/sim. So my vote is $30....errrrmmm....yes.
Cheers,
Pepe
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No business owner likes someone telling them how to run their baby . Aces High is the BEST sim out there , Ya can't please all the people , so just be happy I'm pleased (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
my check for $9.95 is in the mail
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Mav, your post reads like the dialogue of adult characters in an animated "Peanuts" cartoon. Quit trying to speak for the customer base, because this customer is quite happy with the product at $29.95. If you aren't, then by all means, find something you feel better about spending your money on.
Gordo
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really really unnecessary paintmaw .. unless it's a typo
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What Gordo said (good lord, I agreed with that nimrod!). I respect your opinion Mav, but personally I don't find it to be a slap in the face at all. This is recreation for me. When I joined, HTC was offering their services for $30/mo and after the two week trial, I was happy to pay that. I still fly and have no regrets when that $30 comes out of my checking account every month...they provided me with what I'd value as more than $30 worth of entertainment so I'm happy to pay it.
What someone else pays isn't part of the equation.
SOB
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I didn't find anything about Pyro's post offensive (I understood what he was saying about spitting on a cop. it was not being derogatory towards police at all) and to be honest I'm embarrassed now to have been part of that topic seeing how anything I added kept bringing it up the list of topics. I've been part of too many closed topics to be honest. Which doesn't reflect well on me to say the least.
I believe I felt some of Pyro's frustration and anger for a moment when I read his words in that cloed topic. A topic which WAS a troll and which WAS meant to be as disruptive as anything here possibly could be. Pyro was quite right, imo. There's too much meanness and spiteful conjecture and outright roadkill aimed at the HTC people and thier product of thier hardwork AH.
I don't look at what he did as censorship. I've never seen Pyro or anyone exhibit blatant censorship here. I seriously doubt the sanity and mental condition of the few who think that they do practice censorship. If Pyro wanted to censor he could just delete posts or entire threads. I personaly would rather he had asked someone like Towd to move on long ago and find somewhere else to pout, be disruptive and act all "repressed by the man" like. But that's not something they would do. Or they would have done it long ago.
In regard to posting here on this ubb board I just want to say that I (as Westy) personally am not acting via some online a persona at all.
What I say I'd say in person. No matter if what I posts was something nice or good, helpful, spitful or sarcastic. I do bait some here because they're easy and they deserve it imo. (waves to Nath and EYE).
On the other hand I take what most folks say and how they posture here to be really them also. That being said I can't count the number on one hand of folks I truly dislike and wish were gone from the AH community.
-Westy
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Mav,
The first locked thread was an all too well documented episode of hacking many months ago and was simply being punted back to life for no worthwile reason that I could find.
The second thread was a low class insult towards pyro. No surprise there considering the originator.
Yeager
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Interesting conundrum.
If you are unhappy that some people pay 1/2 to 1/3rd of the price you pay and have payed for a year then it seems you have several options.
Quit. But dont tell pyro or anyone else why you did so. Cause thats not cool.
Keep paying and just let the bile build. Lots of people apperently dont mind being took so there must be something wrong with you.
These would appernently be the only polititcally correct options.
Do not under any circumstances post here that you are unhappy with it.
Do not under any circumstance try to gather support for others to preasure for rationalized pricing. The customer is not right in this case.
These actions will target you for rebuke from people that to me honestly seem to protest just a little too much.
I keep going back to the three offers that my friend got on three different accounts that he had used for free 2 week trials.
Laughing his head off that he who had never spent a nickle on AH was being offered these deals. He offered me the 15 or 20 dollar ones as he intended to use the 10 dollar one.
I just felt that was dishonest. So I said no. He flew the 10 dollar account for 3 weeks and then offered to let me use that one.
I still felt that that was dishonest and said no.
I must have my head up my but.
If I can get the game for 10$ or for free..that is just the price that I can get so who could legitimatly feel that I have done something wrong. There is no fair price. Man I was stupid. Its whatever you can get someone to pay or whatever you can get away with paying.
Wish I had propely understood this 250 dollars canadian ago. The 160 bucks that I would not have paid would have come in handy for my fish finder.
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Pongo,
You miss the point entirely, as most of the people that are complaining about the various offers that were submitted.
What would you have HTC do? Lower the price for everyone right now regardless of consequence? Raise the price for those that were offered lower rates? What?
The solution is to wait for HTC to decide on a better pricing option... and hope things work out in your favor.
Until then, you are simply squeaking to be squeaking. None of what has been offered in any of these "debates" has been even remotely constructive nor has it been considerate of HTCs buisness needs... or are so assumption based that it is rediculous.
Everyone wants to pay less. How many people want to see HTC go under because of it? I've deemed $30 to be acceptable, though I'd rather it were less. However, I'll pay whatever is necessary to keep HTC afloat.
The fact that others pay less does not phaze me. I understand the reasoning behind it. Its hard to understand why so many people don't. Its enough to get me frustrated and I don't work for HTC and its not my paycheck that's affected as a result.
AKDejaVu
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Quit. But dont tell pyro or anyone else why you did so. Cause thats not cool.
Not so much not cool as much as it's who cares?
Keep paying and just let the bile build.
Bile build? Colorful. If someone has bile building because they play an online game and are bitter because a few people did get lower price points then they need a psychiatrist.
Lots of people apperently dont mind being took so there must be something wrong with you.
I'm paying $30/mo. and I'm getting more than my monies worthe. And I dont harbour any bitterness towards HTC or the players who particpated in the HTC marketing plan. Canada is socialist isn't it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
These would appernently be the only polititcally correct options. Do not under any circumstances post here that you are unhappy with it.
Post like person with a point and not a frothing, demented. blithering idiot with an ulterior motive or ajenda and people listen.
Do not under any circumstance try to gather support for others to preasure for rationalized pricing.
Do it elsewhere. imo. You're off base if you think past methods were appropriate in manner and also byt being here.
The customer is not right in this case.
No they are not.
[iThese actions will target you for rebuke from people that to me honestly seem to protest just a little too much.[/i]
The complete lack of tact, class and well spoken point of view used by a few is what most object too. I know I do. And some just are so damned like Don Quixote charging the evile windmill. If they don't like somethign that HTC isn't going to change, change fast enough or to your liking. Then leave. It's real simple.
I keep going back to the three offers that my friend got on three different accounts that he had used for free 2 week trials. Laughing his head off that he who had never spent a nickle on AH was being offered these deals.
This says more about you than him imo.
Yes there is a fair price, it's whatever you agree to pay HTC for AH. There have been more than enough analogies to other services and products where people pay different prices for the same thing. And at HTC we only know for a FACT that HTC gave a very small number of people lower prices in thier research. Just because you know one doesn't make it out ot be 'everyine' but you. And just because you or anyone else read a 'post' here that claims someone asked HTC for a lower price deosn't mean anything on HTC's part.
So yes, you are stupid. (Your own words)
-Westy
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As I've stated before, so long as *MY* bandwidth isn't being eaten up by someone paying 1/2 to 1/3 of the price I'm paying... I don't care. It's when I'm paying for both my bandwidth and someone elses who's paying 1/2 to 1/3 the price I'm paying that I will care.
-SW
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As a major whiner myself, may I say, I am sorry that I ever whined.
All of this tension and ill behavior may be opening my eyes.
What a bunch of over aged toddlers we have become.
Again, I appologize for my share of the whining.
Sky Viper
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Pongo, Mav, and anyone else eaten up by HTC offering their product to some people for a lower price than you are paying...
When you go to a grocery store and the person in the checkout line in front of you pays less for a box of cereal with a coupon, do you feel outraged?
When you go to a restaurant and see an elderly man getting a senior's discount, or a college coed getting a student's discout, does the bile build?
If you go to a store in a shopping center or office building and see an employee from a different business in that same shopping center or office building getting a discount, are you incensed?
If you answered yes to all of the above, do you handle it by posting fliers on the business' windows declaring those businesses as unfair and inept? If you do, how long does it take for the business owners or managers to come out and rip them down?
Do you stand outside the door trying to impress your point of view on each potential customer that walks by in an attempt to do away with coupons, senior discounts, student discounts, or employee discounts? If so, how long are you there before being asked to leave or the cops show up?
This situation really is that simple folks. You have individuals and groups of potential customers that were offered pricing incentives to come here, not unlike the above mentioned scenarios that we all accept in the real world. Why this is any different for some of you baffles me.
If you can't enjoy AH with some people paying less than you, then you have two sensible options that won't get you in hot water with HTC or the people that would disagree with you. Leave and let Pyro know why you did so in a *private* email. Or try to get HTC to change their pricing in a private discussion with them. If you feel the need to organize support for a change, then do so elsewhere than on these virtual windows of HTC's business. Above all, do not attempt to speak for the rest of the community or player base or else you will be rebuked.
Gordo
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I don't always agree with Mav, but I have a great deal of respect for what he has to say - this time I agree with some of the points he makes.
Short term promotional offers, I have no problem with.
Unlimited term discounts I do, except to people who have put something back in (i.e. subscribers since beta or the training/CM corps). This does not include me, by the way.
The pricing structure tests didn't really bother me that much, because I think it was a necessary step considering the new products emerging in direct competition.
But if there is any truth in discounts being offered to AW squads, then it does seem a little bit of slap in the face. Is this the only way HTC can survive and grow?
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As SOB say, Cookie Wookie!
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The problem is what I stated. Just about all threads that have been locked on this board have been because of people bashing each other. Perhaps I'm mistaken and this thread wasn't kicked up with the intent of getting people worked up, but that's the appearance it gives to me. Although I address that thread in particular, I'm really talking about the broader issue.
There are certain things that we won't comment on and some people are going to assume the worst. There's an uneasy conflict between wanting to allay people's concerns and setting timely expectations.
Most problems don't bother me because I know that they just require time and effort and then they're gone. The problem that concerns and frustrates me is what started me on this is all about and there's no simple solution.
Until recently, I haven't been playing much. Even though I'm often having to deal with complaints about people online and read negative experiences about it from people trying out the game, I think I've been numbed into thinking it's just par for the course. The instigating, trash-talking, and inciting has become way too frequent. It's a problem if unchecked continues to escalate and will only grow as the game grows. It'll be further exacerbated by the clientele that environment attracts and drives out. The sad thing is, it only takes 1 or 2 people to change an enjoyable environment into a bad one. Everybody sees it. The person who's bored and finds it entertaining to jerk reactions out of people and starts arguments. The person who's miserable for whatever reason and wants the world to be miserable with them. The person who has to constantly cast insults at others to feel better about themselves. This will not be the culture of AH.
Mav, I see where my cop comment could be construed as insensitive and I apologize for that. That was not the intention. If I had instead suggested grabbing a bull by the balls, it would not have been intended as an advocation of cruelty to animals although it could be taken that way in the literal sense.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Originally posted by Pyro:
There are certain things that we won't comment on and some people are going to assume the worst. There's an uneasy conflict between wanting to allay people's concerns and setting timely expectations.
People would rather be informed and displeased with the information than to be left guessing. That's not my opinion, that's fact. It's taught at every level of leadership in the military and it's a basic fact of human psychology.
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Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerrkorps.com)
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Why apologise? if some here are just too 'touchy feely' to see through your comment and not take it literally then thats tough luck, this is your company UBB and so far you've been more than tolerant to some posts. This is HTC's board not a fan site board where anything goes and to be quite honest alot more is left uncensored on this UBB than other company UBB's.
This is Aces High community showcase, a place where prospective players will come to look and find out more about the game and the community, ask yourselves the next time your put finger to key..is this the way you want people to see this community?
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are posts in here supposed to be serious ??
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Everybody sees it. The person who's bored and finds it entertaining to jerk reactions out of people and starts arguments. The person who's miserable for whatever reason and wants the world to be miserable with them. The person who has to constantly cast insults at others to feel better about themselves. This will not be the culture of AH.
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Thanks Pyro.
I was starting to get discouraged thinking you guys eaither werent aware of the nose dive the AH online community was experiencing or didnt care.
As usual, you guys are more aware of things than even I tend to appreciate.
I hope to return before too long.
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"This will not be the culture of AH"
Best thing I've heard in a long time <S> Pyro.
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Gordo.
Good points, I will save us time and not give an equal number of opisite anologies, all of them as relevent as yours. Let me know if your interested.
Westy seems to be mostly concerned about the rediculous way that some of these complaints get expressed. I dont know if particularly he means me but his mode of rebutle was very simulure to what I would use so I imagine he means someone else.
I mearly tried to present the alternative side of this. I happen to feel that way but I also know I cant get my fix elsewhere. That leads to hard feelings I guess.
As to the place to discuss it. This is our comunity. This is the place we discuss things. Pricing policy was not on any waiver I ever signed to belong. If it is embarassing for HTC thats unfortunate. Maybe we need a new waiver. I really do think some of you guys protest a little too much. I wonder how you feel about it in your heart of hearts. Probebly alot like the chute shooters that instist it doenst matter or bother them but log after you chute them. Or the guys that say gangbanging doesnt bother them but dont seem to be online to endure it.
I think we should moderate the way we discuss things but not within reason what we discuss. I think that is what pyro meant as well.
But saying we cant talk about this its inflamitory or people cant leak details its inflamitory...I guess I dont aggree with that. Although I aggree its inflamitory.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel:
People would rather be informed and displeased with the information than to be left guessing. That's not my opinion, that's fact. It's taught at every level of leadership in the military and it's a basic fact of human psychology.
Raub,
Good job you hit it right on the head. This lesson has not been passed around enough. Simply taking a stand and stating what the situation is will do more to alleviate negative posts than to ignore the situation and hope it goes away. Pyro did it once before with the price "experiment". He cleared up the rumors and stated HTC's position. It pretty much took care of all the speculation.
The main part of my post was trying to get around to just that point. I was trying to give Pyro, or anyone at HTC who wanted to do it, a chance to clear up the controversy and end it. I also wanted to let them know that I saw the thread as being supportive to HTC as the players want to help them keep the game clean.
Like another player in the game, I also state my thoughts as I would in person. I do not speak for all customers, true. But I am a customer and will post my thoughts about the game as a customer. If this were a private "lan" game not open to the public I wouldn't have any call to speak about it. It is, however, an open public game played for a fee that I pay which makes me a customer. My comments have been both pro and con as have many others here on this BBS.
Pyro my bringing this thread up was not to "extend the controversy". It was to let you know that I felt the players were being supportive not derogatory towards HTC. Closing threads won't end controversy but open dialogue can.
Mav
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PLEASE POST GUIDELINES , WHAT WE MAY DISCUSS ON BBS AND WHAT WE CAN NOT
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Do you really want Pyro's time spent writing up an acceptable use policy for the boards, or do you think we could instead ask posters to use a little common sense or risk having them locked.
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Do you really want Pyro's time spent writing up an acceptable use policy for the boards, or do you think we could instead ask posters to use a little common sense or risk having them locked.
Or hell... we could actually fly and play the game rather than piss 'n moan on a UBB. Does it ever accomplish anything? No. Why do you continue to do it?
-SW
(not directed at you Fatty)
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rgr wulf ,, you guys take every word typed in here way to seriously ,, I WAS JOKING
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I find it amusing that people think that by posting their "common sense" everyone else will see the light and say, "Oh.. that's how it should be. Thanks (whoever)"
What's even more funny is that I am about to do the same thing.
The bottom line is finances. Pay the bills or go out of business. So, let's say you have this business running and you have so many customers that pay you $30.00 to enjoy the service your business provides. You allow about 260 people to enjoy your service at any one time, but usually there is only 200 or so at the most.
You might be making good money, but some more wouldn't hurt. You might be struggling and need some more income.
So, say 15 to 20 people come to you and say, "we'll all join if you let us pay $15.00" Well, that's the equivelent of 7.5 to 10 full price customers... another $225.00 to $300.00.
Well that will sure help pay the bills a little better. If you were $200 short every month, and it was your business, would you take the money or keep dealing from your own pocket?
People have brought up the Bandwith issue. More players is more bandwith. Sure, but only if the arena were full all the time right? Then you would need more bandwith. HTC pays for 260 players worth of bandwith for the MA right now. Does that number ever change?
Someone else made a comment about $/hour for playing and compared to other activities. If you play for 100 hours in a month, you pay $0.30/hour. That's a good deal. If you only play 30 hours, that's $1.00 per hour. That's still a pretty good deal. There is not much else in this world you can pay $1.00/hour for as far as entertainment goes.
The whole price dicounts thing has been talked to death. Let's all play for free, then HTC will go broke, then we'll have no more Aces High. That would be fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Midnight
13th TAS[/i]
midnight@13thtas.com
"You tell them I'm coming.. And Hell's coming with me!" -Kurt Russel Tombstone
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My problem is not with controversy, it's with controversy as a form of entertainment. There's a big difference between raising issues and beefs and trolling for conflict. The latter was what I was addressing.
As far as the statement about people preferring to be informed and displeased, that's exactly what I meant about people assuming the worst. I know we are and have been tight-lipped on the pricing subject. I'm sorry that I can't shed any light on that subject at this time.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Nice points gordo.
Dealing with the general public can be a royal beeeeeyatch, Great at times, lousy at others. How many of you who know a better way are in the same situation as HTC, trying to grow a business? I'm in a family owned small business myself, and I can tell you it aint no cakewalk. Many hats to wear, you don't just bee-bop in to work 15 minutes late every day. Working all kinds of hours is the norm. You carry it home with you too. Eat, sleep, breathe the stuff because if you don't who will? Burnout is something I've been through a few times myself.
Then you have some customers who you'd like to literally throw out on their ear, they want to show their bellybutton simply because, well, they can! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Showing restraint and professionalism is the hardest thing in the world to do at times, but it's always the way to go.
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I understand where pyro is coming from.
Why? Because the internal policies and decisions of Hitechcreations are none of our damn business.
And because I've left the sim once before when the "community" as they call it, got too ugly, So did my brotherinlaw, he never came back.
At this point I'm not flying this tour, and debating on maintaining my account, simply put, I do not pay anyone to piss me off, and I'm not willing to start, It's not a flame, And it is a fact, whether you like me or not, that don't matter, to HTC, it's a customer they might lose over something they don't really want in their game in the first place.
But I digress, just shut up and fly about covers it, but then again that's way too simplistic for the ones here with nothing better to do.
<S> old friends and new, maybe see you next tour, if not, well good luck and blue skies to yas.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Originally posted by paintmaw:
rgr wulf ,, you guys take every word typed in here way to seriously ,, I WAS JOKING
???? You single me out in this thread? Wow... ignore everyone else that is taking this leaps and bounds beyond seriousness into absolute idiocy to tell me I am taking it too seriously?
Well, whatever floats your boat... see ya in the MA.
-SW
ps: If that wasn't directed at me, I was just confused and misread it. My apologies if it wasn't directed at me Paint.
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NO WULF did you not see (RGR) meaning ROGER meaning YES I AGREE WITH YOU .
AND pzvg jumped all over me for stealing a kill , we were both on the same guy , my shots hit his didn't . He called me everything you can on open channel then logged .
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ps: If that wasn't directed at me, I was just confused and misread it. My apologies if it wasn't directed at me Paint.
Cut n paste is great! :-)
-SW
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no problem wulf ,, it wasn't <SALUTE>
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Originally posted by paintmaw:
no problem wulf ,, it wasn't <SALUTE>
No problems here either, lately everyone's been really upity on the board... must be something in the air. :-) What I posted could of easily been construed as hostile, didn't intend it to be... and I was obviously mistaken. Sorry about that! :-)
S! Paint, see ya in the MA! :-)
-SW
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alot of problems arise from messages being misinterpreted , different cultures , languages religions ect. Oh and some of us (me) don't always make our feelings clear enough .
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...and being a pot smoking hippie from Eugene probably doesn't help matters either! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by SOB:
...and being a pot smoking hippie from Eugene probably doesn't help matters either! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Hmmm except for the hippie and being from Eugene part... me and Paint might have something in common. (http://www.ihs4ever.com/~cwm/otn/funny/bongsmi.gif)
-SW
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LOL where the hell did that bong hitting smiley face come from ?? cool
SOB ,, we gonna have to get together sometime , I'm driving through Salem once a month these days otw to portland (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
o\/oo peace brother
[This message has been edited by paintmaw (edited 04-06-2001).]
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Get it right paintmaw. Yes I overreacted to you, Stealing a kill? hardly, you flew into my bullets and got my bellybutton shot down. Don't expect me to like any so-called "team players" whose definition of team is only as pertains to their benefit.
And never misquote me, I let a lot of things slide, but I'll reply to that, and it's always to your detriment
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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LOL, whatever , in real life you would have killed a friendly , try getting within 600 before blasting your cannons
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Oh yeah, Thank you for advising me on how to fly, Try learning how yourself next time instead of being all there for the score.
Btw, I do apologise for the intemperate words, but not for the thought behind them, I'll pass up a kill anyday if it means I don't killshooter a teammate.
But then again, I've always been more concerned with style than score.
(As my scores aptly show)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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LOL you have Style and skill confused , although you possess neither
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People need to know when to shut up.
Not that this has anything to do with anything at all, its just a *no charge* observation.
Y
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<SALUTE> Yeager you are right , my posts containing personal attacks or rebutals of ,,have ended . It only fuels the fire in here , and the flames are too hot already . (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by paintmaw (edited 04-07-2001).]
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They're Pinky and The Brain
Yes, Pinky and The Brain
One is a genius
The other's insane.
Their holiday plan
Is to overthrow man
They're dinky
They're Pinky and The Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain.
By the dawn of Christmas Day
Their plot shall be unfurled
They'll control the Earth
And bring joy to the world!
They're Pinky and The Brain
Yes, Pinky and The Brain
They're happy merry gentlemen
Singing this refrain.
And after Christmas Eve
The world will believe
In Pinky
In Pinky and The Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Narf!
by Peter Hastings
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What are we going to do tommorow night brain?
Same thing we do everynight pinky TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)