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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: splitatom on May 06, 2008, 08:21:01 PM
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when will registration start
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We Still need an Axis CO , XO .
So Do you have what it takes to Get past the Allied air defense ... Bomb Rangoon, Gain control of the Sky and Drive the Allies out !!!
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Don't think you'll be over run either. The Axis won the last time :cool:
:salute
Newman
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Did I already miss this? :cry
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No you haven't missed anything, check this thread for a little update.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,238620.0.html
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We now have our CO's (Husky01 as allied CO and leitwolf as axis CO).
Gentlemen, we are definitely in business.
Tentative dates are as follows. These are still being finalized with the CM staff -- so there might be changes -- but I mention it here so that folks can get a general idea at least.
July 19, practice frame
July 26, frame 1
Aug 2, frame 2
Aug 9, frame 3
Aug 16, frame 4
We should have registration opening this week. I will let everyone know when it opens.
CO's, I will also start asking to get the side forums up and going.
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Wow that would leave only 20 days to get people registered, get everyone organized and get the plans out for the practice frame then not even a month till the official frame kicks off! Leitwolf and I would have to do some major work to make sure both sides are properly prepared for the event and I know I read somewhere that leit doesn't exactly have an abundance of time. Now I know that no dates are set in stone and that we are all crunched for time to get this thing rolling since it took so long to find CO's but what do you all think about possibly pushing each frame back a week? That would give us at least a month to get everything done that needs to be done. So the practice frame would be the 26th, First frame Aug 2nd and so on and so forth.
Thoughts?
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That sounds fine to me.
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I wouldn't mind starting soon. The scenario has been on hold for quite a while, has been run before and was well balanced.
Either way is fine.
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My opinion doesn't count for anything as i'm offically just a participant but i'd like to see it on the dates mentioned cuz I have to cancel my subscription soon after the last frame to join the air force.
Regards FBClaw
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My dos centavos:
The proposed schedule doesn't allow for much planning and practice by the teams. Registration and then sorting out staffs etc takes a few weeks. If the event starts in 3 to 4 weeks as proposed, there's no time to scheme, try theories out, etc. Even an event like this, that needs little development in terms of setup and rules because its been done before, can benefit from coordination amongst the teams.
My suggestion is Frame One six weeks from start of registration. YMMV, of course :)
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We now have our CO's (Husky01 as allied CO and leitwolf as axis CO).
Gentlemen, we are definitely in business.
Tentative dates are as follows. These are still being finalized with the CM staff -- so there might be changes -- but I mention it here so that folks can get a general idea at least.
July 19, practice frame
July 26, frame 1
Aug 2, frame 2
Aug 9, frame 3
Aug 16, frame 4
We should have registration opening this week. I will let everyone know when it opens.
CO's, I will also start asking to get the side forums up and going.
comon your joking right, 19 days to register assign leads, squads, and plan, time runs and the like.
and if you want to say its 26 days ,,same thing.
not to mention the height of summer thing
if we waited this long why not 60 days more from the declaration of an event.
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doobs is right, thats barely enough time to get people registered, let alone assign positions and plan for them.
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Tentative dates are as follows. These are still being finalized with the CM staff -- so there might be changes -- but I mention it here so that folks can get a general idea at least.
Thanks for the input, and keep it coming. Read the quote again :) Best events are the ones with input from you guys.
I'd say to the COs, start team building. But, again, the start dates are being discussed, the registration page is being setup by Brooke now, the final date should be between 4 to 6 weeks out from Registration Opening. We know this is just a game, but there is some relevance to reacting to an attack that is coming down earlier than the Allies or Axis expected, part of "war" is adapting. Part of a Scenario is the Build Up and Recruitment. With that, the Scenario Team isn't going to hamper the event, just encourage an aggressive approach.
if we waited this long why not 60 days more from the declaration of an event.
Not likely, it's possible there are other things in the pipe.
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This isn't sounding too good to me anymore :cry Still one or two frames are better than none at all. Really look forward to it.
Regards FBClaw
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:aok I will be looking for allies and hopefully an fm2. WOOT lets roll.
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I must skip also one frame :(
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Which side has the bombers? Im going with them...
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Which side has the bombers? Im going with them...
The Axis. Unless you count the 4 A20s the Allies get as scouts or the reserve squadron of 12 Buffalo (SBD's)
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A-20s? You mean Beaufighters :lol
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Hello, all. Rangoon, '42 registration is now open!
More details on this scenario are here:
http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/current-or-next-scenario-2.html
To register, please go to:
http://ahevents.org/scenarios/registration.html
The schedule is:
July 26, practice frame
August 2, frame 1
August 9, frame 2
August 16, frame 3
August 23, frame 4
Start Time is 3 pm US Eastern Daylight Time. The Special Events Arena will close to new admittance right after Start Time, so please show up on or before then.
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I wish I had known they pulled the P39 out of the scenario, I wasn't seeking any kind of Command spot because it was in the plane set.
Oh well... maybe next scenario. :aok
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I'll let folks know as soon as the Rangoon forums are open.
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I think if i squeeze it in nicely i might just be able to fly in all for frames. I leave on the 26th of August. Lol getting up at 4:30 Australian eastern time to play aces high. the things we do for the things we love. Just a bit unsure about registration. wondering which side to go and whether it changes at all. Any advice would be appreciated.
Regards FBClaw
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Well, here goes! My first Scenario fighting for the Allies!
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I think if i squeeze it in nicely i might just be able to fly in all for frames. I leave on the 26th of August. Lol getting up at 4:30 Australian eastern time to play aces high. the things we do for the things we love. Just a bit unsure about registration. wondering which side to go and whether it changes at all. Any advice would be appreciated.
Regards FBClaw
Talon, in this one, there is no side switch, so you'd register allied or IJAAF and play as that for the duration of the scenario.
There were Australians in the Rangoon air battle, some flying Hurricanes and some flying F2A's (for which the best equivalent among the first-available planes in the scenario, thus not counting the SBD, is the FM-2 -- the F2A and the F4F/FM-2 have very similar performance, actually). 67 Squadron (which flew F2A's in Rangoon in 1941 and 1942, and Hurricanes in 1942) was originally an RAAF squadron, transferred to the RAF in Burma, and staffed with Australians:
http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn066-70.htm
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I missed Rangoon last time, so I'm very pleased to say "I'm in!" for this one!
Thanks for re-running a classic, fellas.
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This is a completely hypothetical plane set right?
I ask because if there was an associated history quiz, this scenario would garner an F.
Not that it will make any difference, but there were no Zeros (especially 1944 vintage A6M5s), or Wildcats or P-40Es in Burma in that time window.
Likewise, the SBD is a sorry replacement for the Brewster, being about 40 mph slower with a terrible climb rate to boot.
The Allies had some Hurricanes and a small amount of Spitfires, Brewsters and the AVG Tomahawks. The Japanese had a small number of Ki-43s (64th Sentai) supplementing their Ki-27 Nates.
I strongly suggest that the CMs and designer read Dan Ford's short history of the Rangoon campaign here: http://www.warbirdforum.com/rangoon1.htm. I've know Dan for about 12 years. He's an excellent historian and writer.
Ki-27s were only marginally faster than the D3a and nearly equally armed (didn't have a rear firing gun, but both had twin 7.7mm MGs up front). I could live with A6M2s standing in for Ki-43s, but A6M5s are way over the top. Plus, the D3a will have the advantage of external views. Inasmuch as no F4F-3s fought in Burma, I see no need for the FM-2. You could substitute the four gun F4F-4 for the Buffalo, providing balance for the A6M2s.
In Burma, the Allies generally had the better fighters. However, the Japanese had a much large force available.
If this is a historical scenario, having a plane set comes as close to reality as is feasible would be good, don't you think? 65% Japanese, 35% Allies. This should be balanced... Quantity offers its own quality, as Stalin stated.
My regards,
Widewing
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Widewing ,,,We're going with what worked last time . As for you know we don't have the "Real planeset" available . no P-40c's, A6m3's, Betty's, Ki-43's ect , so total historical is outta the question.
http://www.warbirdforum.com/rangoon1.htm. <--I posted reference to there awhile ago in our other forum.
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Widewing ,,,We're going with what worked last time . As for you know we don't have the "Real planeset" available . no P-40c's, A6m3's, Betty's, Ki-43's ect , so total historical is outta the question.
http://www.warbirdforum.com/rangoon1.htm. <--I posted reference to there awhile ago in our other forum.
There were no A6M3s, Bettys or P-40Cs in Burma circa January thru March 1942. Problem solved! Zeros and Bettys were IJN aircraft, not assigned to units fighting in Burma.
Besides, our P-40B IS a P-40C, at least in performance modeling. The AVG didn't fly P-40Bs or Cs. They flew a unique hybrid version of the Tomahawk that no one else received.
Obviously, you must substitute aircraft. However, a better job of it can be done.
Substituting the F4F-4 for the Buffalo is reasonable and a good counter for the A6M2 (both better than what they replace). The D3a is a great substitute for the Ki-27. If you're worried about "balance", adjust the forces ratio in favor of the Japanese.
Moreover, just because "it worked" doesn't mean you repeat the same error, or does it? It would work just as well with F6Fs, F4Us, A6M5s and Ki-84s. However, that would be historically wrong as well.
I'm just suggesting that you gents think about having an "historical" event that is as close to historical as possible.
My regards,
Widewing
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I was wondering about the A6M5s but didn't know their date of operations.
However it's tweaked, I'm stoked to be in it, but hey if we can tweak it for the better, I'd love it even more.
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This is a completely hypothetical plane set right?
Not completely, but goodly parts of it are, yes -- I hear you and understand. Reasons why are discussed in detail in the "Reasons for Various Aspects of Rules" section, in the "Aircraft Set Overall" subsection:
"In real life in this period in Burma (late 1941 to early 1942), the Japanese pushed the allied air forces out of Burma. Then the allies came and took it back starting late 1943 and early 1944. In this first period, the IJAF had Ki-21 Sally bombers (60th, 12th, 98th Sentai), Ki-43 Hayabusa fighters (64th Sentai, etc.), Ki-27 Nate fighters, and some other types of lower performance. They didn't have Betties, Zeros or Dinahs. Likewise, the allied forces had P-40B's (AVG 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Sqdn), Hurricane Mk IIa's (RAF 17 and 135 Sqdn and 1 other), and F2A Buffaloes (RAF 67 Sqdn). They didn't have P-40E's, F4F's, Spitfires, or Beaufighters.
Perhaps a mix of aircraft that would be more-historically accurate would be P-40B's, Hurricane Mk I's, and F4F-3's (with 4 guns, as a good fit for the F2A, actually -- see America's Hundred Thousand for a comparison of F2A vs. F4F) for the allied forces (with the ratio of P-40's:Hurris:Buffaloes being 1:1:0.333) and Ju 88's (as the best fit for the Ki-21), A6M2's (for Ki-43's), and D3A's (for Ki-27's) for the Japanese forces (with the ratio of A6M2:D3A being 1:1). However, historically, the IJAF forces drastically outnumbered the allied forces, so if these more-realistic aircraft were used (where IJAF fighters are much worse than allied fighters), we'd also need more-realistic side balance with the IJAF probably having, say, 3-5 times as many players as the allied side. DoK, the original designer, picked more-contemporary aircraft and more-even player numbers. We're keeping it that way (1) because changing as described above would be a major change, requiring redesigning the scoring conditions, experimenting with side balance and playability, etc. and (2) because this scenario is already delayed compared to our originally desired schedule. Maybe in the future version, we'll try a more-historically accurate mix of aircraft."
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I'll let folks know as soon as the Rangoon forums are open.
The Rangoon forums are open.
Rangoon 2008 General (open to everyone -- don't post confidential info there)
Rangoon 2008 Allied Command (for allied command staff only)
Rangoon 2008 Allied General (for all allied players)
Rangoon 2008 Axis Command (for axis command staff only)
Rangoon 2008 Axis General (for all axis players)
CO's, Roscoroo has moderator privileges (to invite people). If you have a request to give someone admittance privileges, Roscoroo is the one to contact.
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This event ran in I think 04. It was a success, and very popular and hard fought event. There was probably the least griping involved as it progressed.
Not really seeing a need to fix what ain't broken.
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Shouldn't we get the Spitfire Mk. V? Or were those not at Rangoon?
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Shouldn't we get the Spitfire Mk. V? Or were those not at Rangoon?
See 4 posts up.
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This event ran in I think 04. It was a success, and very popular and hard fought event. There was probably the least griping involved as it progressed.
Not really seeing a need to fix what ain't broken.
ROC, old buddy, Brooke's response was reasonable and enlightening... He shows that if time permitted, fixing the plane set would be desirable. You, on the other hand, state that it "ain't broken".
The scenario is broken in respect to not resembling anything remotely close to the actual events due to a plane set that is largely non-historical. The game advertises "participate in special events recreating scenarios from World War II." You can't recreate something that didn't actually happen. That makes it purely hypothetical, not semi-hypothetical, certainly not historical. That's fine, but it needs to set forth that way. We have players in the game who couldn't find Burma on a map, much less know what aircraft were in the fight. Thus, it should be stated that this is a "what if" scenario. You know, "what if" the Japanese Navy was involved? "What if" there existed time machines that could transport fighters back in time two years? ;)
I'm one of those guys who believes that if there is a historical event, then use the aircraft that best allows it to be historical. I'm not sure why the plane set was picked when the scenario first ran. I suspect it was to get more people to participate.
My bottom line: It was and still is a FUBAR plane set. It's apparently too late to fix it. However, seeing as it probably won't run again for another 4 years, there's time to correct it before the next go around. Hell, I'll even help if you want.
My regards,
Widewing
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We have players in the game who couldn't find Burma on a map, much less know what aircraft were in the fight.
I cannot tell you how embarassed I am to admit this, but as I never really read up on the CBI theatre, I am one of those players :(
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Only because of my grandpa the first thing i new about WWII was the AVG and the "HUMP".
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Actually, it just so happens I have a world map next to my comp., and I found Burma!!! Its now Myanmar! :D
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My bottom line: It was and still is a FUBAR plane set. It's apparently too late to fix it. However, seeing as it probably won't run again for another 4 years, there's time to correct it before the next go around. Hell, I'll even help if you want.
Hi Buddy :)
After working up the Midway event and shelving it due to last minute issues, we chose to run an existing event because we were behind in running a scenario. This one was a success, a huge one, as built. It ain't broke because it was popular and worked on many levels other than the plane to plane matchup or exact historical accuracy. Now, in 4 years, sure there is ample time to rebuild this one and come up with a completely new and historical element to the event, we might even have new planes. My comments were simply not this time, we run it as it is, tried, tested, verified, because of a timeline, and heading off a movement to redesign an event that is now underway. If Brooke wants to sub a plane or two, he is more than welcome to do it, I'm suggesting last minute subs into a proven design might just create unintended consequences.
Love to have you on this rebuild though, your detail is always welcome.
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Hi Buddy :)
After working up the Midway event and shelving it due to last minute issues..
(http://www.51hangar.net/fencer/MBROC.jpg)
:rofl :aok
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hehe I love that banner :D
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What are the plane sets?
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The planes are in the event design writeup.
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Found it.
:aok
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Not to be rude or anything, but if you even read the post you were replying to it would give you an idea of all the planes involved. The very page before yours has Widewing talking about the planeset and a discussion about that.
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Each side in the upcoming Rangoon scenario filled up, so registration has been increased to allow an additional squadron on each side.
Please come join us for the fun!
Registration is here:
http://ahevents.org/scenarios/registration.html
More information is here:
http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/current-or-next-scenario-2.html