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Special Events Forums => Special Events General => Topic started by: daddog on October 31, 2001, 10:21:00 PM
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I could only fly 2 round, but sure had a good time. 3 kills first round and an assist the 2nd. :)
We had about 40 plus players... looks good I think. As I type this the logs will be closed in just a few minutes so I don't know who the winner will be.
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I don't wanna spoil the surprise by sling on the winner and next weeks plane(Zigrat/109g10) but it was a blast. I watched the fights in round 2 and flew in round three and got smoked by Zigrat quickly :)
I would like to see twice the numbers next week.
Sling did a, well what would be expected outta FDB for his first solo event :D :D
JOB WELL DONE SLING! :)
Awesome Event!!!
S!
Rocket
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Your winner for Week 1 of the Wild Wednesday is......<fanfare>....ZIGRAT.
It was a fun time for me and I hope the rest of you enjoyed it as well.
Zigrat took round 1 and then was a hunted man in round 2 and wasnt able to pull it off. However, his squadmate Pimpjoe won the 2nd round. It came down to 3 guys left in round 3...Zigrat, Pimpjoe and Nuttz.
Nuttz was taken out by Pimpjoe and then the table was set....round 1 winner against round 2 winner and Zig pulled it off.
Congratulations Zigrat...you now have plane choice for next week's event. Choose carefully....you may be a wanted man. :)
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Originally posted by daddog:
I could only fly 2 round, but sure had a good time. .
It was a jolly good time. Only one suggestion, a cap on the alt. Even I was tempted to look at the purdy clouds.
:D
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I missed the Wild Wednesday. I loved KOTH in AW.
I hope you'll seek assistance from KOTH organizers to make Wild Wednesday it's best. Or, at least, consider accepting assistance for a KOTH if it's offered.
Gooss
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I'm an idiot. I heard "dueling arena terrain" and I actually thought this was being held in the dueling arena. And I'm a CM. :D Anyway, I rush home from work and get there with about 5 mins to spare. One other guy there. I head to the MA to ask if this got postponed or something and was met by a 5 minute terrain download. Finally sussed it but got to the SEA too late for round one.
In round two, Swulfe was looking at me all funny so I totally lost any sense of SA that I really cannot afford to lose in the first place... and I ended up getting shot down by someone else.
In the 3rd round... my POS comp decided to reboot (does that happen to anyone else?).
All this is really just to say that... had the above not occured - y'all woulda been dead... no contest.
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I had a great time! One immeadiate overwhelming difference to AW was the clouds, it brings a whole new level of tactics to KOTH (we had the light fluffy white type :) ) Twice I spoiled AKseawolf's attacks by managing to escape into cloud, and BnZing Kool from the clouds, along with the hunt through the cotton puffs was tense! I think it also means that true LW jęger tactics and rides such as the later 109's are a really viable ride in this event.
I'd like to see a smaller arena one day - We used the "gladiator bowl" in the DA, which is perfect in shape and concept, but a little big - the fight was mainly three seperate furballs over each field - but that's one day.
An alt cap might be an idea eventually (may be the thicker type clouds could be used for this?), but no one seemed to abuse it tonight, which was nice. An AH CM can lock the fields, which prevents reupping, and no one did anything "gamey" spurious joint requests or manic "check 6"-ing from a chute (can these be turned off?) which was good to see.
It was a real good time! I won't make it every week, but I definately want more.
If Icons were a CM setting, an icon-less KOTH, hunting in and out of clouds is a slightly denser furball would be white knuckle in the extreme.
Thanks Sling!
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it was a blast. and next week if we have more numbers in there it will be even better. we used to do a little thing like this in H2H before i got my account. but it wasnt near as much fun as Wild Wednesday was. mainly for the lack of players and most thought that it was too much work for the host :mad: but hell i had fun anyway. this event is now my favorite one by far. i was in better fights than i've ever been in in MA. i still cant get over how much fun the fight between me and swoop was. i've watched the film probably 4 times so far and its only been over about 2 hours.
EXCELENT WORK SLING!!! :) :) :) <S>
[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: pimpjoe ]
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I appreciate the comments and the suggestions guys. I am glad you all enjoyed it. As far as icons, I dont think we can turn them off. I believe all we can do is make the id range shorter (I think...still new to all this stuff. ;))
As far as terrain goes....I think I heard somewhere that the terrain team is working up a map for us that will be more specialized and I am hoping to get an observation tower hanging in space in the middle of the arena so that those of you who are dead get a chance to watch whats still going on. We had something similar in the Rumble terrain a while back.
I am sure the WW will continue to grow and while we may adopt some other ideas that are similar to the KOTH, I think its got its own separate identity. For one thing, you dont get to be King very long....this event will be run every week.
I must say that I am glad nobody tried to take advantage of any of the rules and thanks for keeping it fair guys. I would really not want to put an alt cap on it because then you open up a whole new can of worms. There is no way to really prove how high a guy was unless you have his film and not everybody runs film.
Anyway, this got a little long-winded, but keep the suggestions and comments coming. <S> all!!
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that'd be me Nash. <S> You just went level and I couldn't believe it! I almost missed cuz it wasn't a deflection shot! Don't worry, good ol' SWulfe got me about a minute later.
In round 3, SWulfe had to deal with me AND banana right from the start. I think it lasted 5 minutes til the first kill, then 30 seconds later the 2nd of us 3 died. SWulfe went on for a few more kills that round too! :eek: That was fantastic flying SWulfe, I haven't flown that well in awhile, and I still only managed one measley shot on you. <S>
My excuse in rounds 2 and 3 is that I was on the phone the whole time! :D hehe, because of that, I just went full throttle the whole time.
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What were the numbers?
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First round was about 40 rip. Did not look after that.
We only have 2 choices for icons. Short and long.
I don't see a reason for an alt cap. Most of the clouds are around 10k and I like the use of them over the water. It adds another "element" into this type of dueling.
Several did want buffs and I might change that "no buff rule" in a few weeks. Even my boss banana wants em. ;) Lets let it run with just fighters for a while then open it up.
<S> to all who made it and to sling for being a great host! Thanks to all from AW who have sugggested this. I really did not look at this till nash brought it to my attention a couple of weeks ago. I think it will be a worthwhile event for a long time. :)
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When I came in the middle of round 1 Rip there were 30 in the arena including the CM. I don't think more than 40 total at any point. Damn good #s for a first event. Now let's see if we continue to grow ;) :)
S!
Rocket
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Do you have to 'call' your target so there is no gangbangin in these events?
Just curious
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no its just a melee :)
it was really fun btw i am looking forward to next week. u guys better all practice slinging potatoes ;D
for me winning, proper utilization of radar was the key. i am very confident of my 1v1 skills but was wary of getting ganged up on. my having radar, i would tell if i had time to engage and get a kill before another person could arrive, or if i better not engage. the time i ended up dying was when i couldnt avoid the 2v1. being timid and not engaging at all wasnt the answer tho since those who chose that route died in the end. in the end "the gambler" turned out to be as good of advice for a fighter pilot as it ever has been.
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I can envision 50+ next wed.since Halloween was going on at the same time! Damn, wish my son's swimming lessons were earlier.
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I had a lot of fun. I look foreward to next week.
May I offer one suggestion: In AW's KOTH, we chose a new plane each round, as opposed to sticking with the same type all night (A round's winner chose the plane for the next round.) This added greater variety to the event.
I feel this would work especially well if bombers were allowed--it might be fun to fly B-26's in 1 round, but I don't think everyone would want to fly them all night.
J_A_B
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Heck, if we're gonna have a bomber night, especially in the B26 or TBM since they have fixed forward guns, why not have bomber nights as paired nights (pilot/gunner). You'd have less planes in the air, but it might make for some extra interesting fights! :D
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Originally posted by sling322:
I would really not want to put an alt cap on it because then you open up a whole new can of worms. There is no way to really prove how high a guy was unless you have his film and not everybody runs film.
<S> all!!
i'd think you could set very very very strong wind levels at certain als) which would pretty much cap alts.
like, 150 mph wind at 17k, 25 mph wind at 18k, 300 mph wind at 19k.. something that would discourage people from going above a ctertain alt and making it miserable to fly in/thru.
just suggestin'
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Okay. No response about Wild Wednesday entertaining a KOTH or working with KOTH. I'll try a different tack.
Would AH permit a monthly KOTH? Would daddog be the contact person to arrange a meeting of the minds?
Gooss
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I think the point here Skip is that Wild Wednesday is Aces High's version of the KOTH that AW had. I would much rather keep it the way we have it every week than to make it a monthly deal. We arent trying to copy AW, but give a little different twist in an effort to offer more events for the player base.
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Sling,
AW never had a version of KOTH. KOTH was a player event.
I'm not suggesting Wild Wednesday not be weekly. So, that's not the issue.
In fact, you and I are in agreement. More events is good. I'm suggesting more events. Oh, something along the lines of KOTH.
Wild Wednesday is Wild Wednesday. Wild Wednesday is not KOTH. KOTH is KOTH. More is better. Like you said. Right?
Who sets that up?
Gooss
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Is there really that much differentiation between KOTH and WW? There is some... yeah, but much? And at this point can you say which is better in light of:
a) you're obviously gonna be more comfortable with the event you used to have and...
b) we've only had one WW so far (which you haven't yet even experienced...)
So which is better? What warrants bringing in another *almost* identical event? Do we want two simular events competing for the same player base; diluting both? What exactly would the benefit be - small changes in the odd rule here and there? That's subjective aint it? Again, which way is better? And keeping in mind that the CMs have already expressed their desire to see this thing grow and evolve, might it be better to see what can be made of the WW and shaping its development instead of adding something else that's pretty much just slightly different?
The bottom line is that this is yer basic furball event and we all want it to be as much fun as it can. So you'll see constant tweaks and adjustments until we're all happy. There aint nobody with some kinda agenda like "but dammit... if we have alt caps my boss is gonna toejamcan me". No worries... WW is gonna settle on whatever ends up working for us.
By the way... if we have both events... It's gonna look like pro boxing. KOTH means King of the Hill. Well... that won't mean jack when ya also got a winner of the WW. I'd rather know who the one guy was who took the whole enchilada. No?
I'm going away for the weekend. Creamo is authorized to speak further about this on my behalf.
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
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How about "Wild "wednesday" being the cover-all name for a-historical "furball skillz" type events?
I.E. week 1 of the month it's the fighter furball that we've just enjoyed, week 2 would be buffs (I dunno what *that* event should be, not a buffer), week 3 GV's, week 4 maritime and so back in week 1b to fighters?
I mention it only because I *really* enjoyed what we've just had, and want it to do well, but I'm worried that every week may induce "burn out".
Longer term, I'd like to see wild wednesday mirrored to a Euro timing (ducks rotten fruit), and I'm not sure if there's enough Euro's (yet!) to support a weekly fighter comp, although I'm confident that there'd be enough for a monthly run.
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You probably wouldn't need to say "week 1 is fighters, week 2 is buffs, week 3 is GVs"... All ya'd need to do is open up all the choices to the winner and let them decide what's gonna happen in the next week. It's totally possible. What do you guys think... open up the choices to include buffs and gvs and such? Hell... even a massive PT boat battle would be a hoot.
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I'd rather have a published schedule I can rely on. I mention the buffs and PT boats because I know lots of people like them. I don't, and I'd be pissed if I'd had reserved time for the "fighter night", and found it was PT boats.
YMMV
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All you have to do in that case Seeker is pay attention to who won the week before and look for a post. I will always post who won the WW and what they chose to fly the next week. I am sure the other hosts would be happy to do the same.
Personally, I would not want to mandate what type of plane or vehicle must be flown during what week....I would rather open up the choices to the winners and see where it goes from there. And hell if Zigrat picks the 109G-10 3 weeks in a row then the rest of you damn well better make sure he doesnt win the 4th week. ;)
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"All you have to do in that case Seeker is pay attention to who won the week before and look for a post. "
Is there really still any doubt in your mind that I scrutinise these boards every 30 secs for any posting on or about events, Sling? :)
So I take it you're confiming (should the winner so decide) Buff, GV and Naval wild wednesdays?
While the naval and GV stuff doesn't interest me personaly, I'll be intrigued to see what you come up with for the Buff night (should a winner ever so decide). Would you emphasise the drop, or defense? If it's defense, will you have somebody flying attack?
I'm looking forward to seeing how this one pans out.
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Actually that is up to banana....since he is the boss. I believe we decided that at this point it would be fighters only, but at some point in the future we may open it up to include bombers or ground vehicles.
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Actually that is up to banana....since he is the boss. I believe we decided that at this point it would be fighters only, but at some point in the future we may open it up to include bombers or ground vehicles.
Actually, the "boss" for Weekly events is daddog. I'm daddog's boss. :)
So, ask daddog if you would like something changed. This whole Wild Wednesday event is new, so I would imagine it will morph and change as time goes on.
Skip, in getting back to your original question about who to contact if you want to organize an absolute copy of KOTH...that would be Pyro, the producer of Aces High.
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Daddog,
Will we be getting a purpose built terrain for wild wednesday? The "duelling" bowl we used last time was a bit big, I thought.
Additionaly, would it be possible to have killshooter disabled in the DA for a couple of hours prior to Wild Wednesday to enable a bit of FFA practise?
Thanks.
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For now I want to keep them simple. Let the winner of WW chose the next AC and that AC will be use all the rounds. In time (a month or so) maybe we can have the AC change every round. The CM's that are hosting these events are new and I don't want to overload them. Granted changing an AC every round is not a big deal, but I often see more "white" in my text buffer than any other color. It can be difficult to keep track of things.
Seeker as a specific terrain for WW I don't have a problem with that as long as the "historical" terrains are built on time and are kept up to date. Right now the terrain team is working on several and we need some updated. Also HTC has couple that we are waiting for approvial on, Black Sea for one. Somone might build a terrain for WW but quite often it takes weeks before HTC's approve it.
As for taking off kill shooter in the DA I rather not have CM's changing settings other than the SEA. If you want to practice you might go into the Training Arena where killshooter is off. If a CM is there early for the setup you might ask him, but that is his call.
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Regarding the terrain, I'm starting to work on it with Pokie the terrain guru. :) We're just entering into the design phase so if you have any ideas, suggestions, sketches etc. on what you think would be cool, please let me know - it's amazing what's possible. I don't think it's gonna take a long time, so if ya have any ideas the sooner ya let me know the better.
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Thanks Ddog,
just seems a bit unfair to instigate a killer furball in a training arena (but I don't go there much so maybe it's OK?)
Nash, I'd have thought to begin with a simply smaller version of the "gladiator" bowl would be fine - it's just I thought that the event seemed to be a bit fragmented over the three bases on the DA terrain as it currently is.
I guess not much is needed by way of terrain for a "fighter" wild wednesday, although it might be a lot of fun to experiment with cloud and wind layers (I hope all future WW's have at least the "cotton puff" clouds), but anything like a buff or GV WW will need much more thought.
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Yeah, smaller would be better. Also I was thinking of having three different areas; one for air battles, and one each for potential land and sea battles. There will also be floating observational towers from which you can watch the fight after you die. The floor of the terrain will be much more varied and interesting than the DA's one, and I'm toying with walling the areas in ala the Rumble terrain.
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That sounds good!
If you're going to all that effort, it may be an idea to include fields at different alt, it'll be a long wait for climb out should there ever be a Lanc competition :)
With regard to a canyon walled arena, perhaps it may be nice to have "eagles nests" type fields embedded in the Canyon walls at differing alts, if that's not too fancifull. Seeing as the intention seems to be to fly one plane per evening, it might be nice to give the CM the option of having, say, a round starting at 0K, 10K and 20K through the event.
What about a Jabo terrain? That would need scorable objects, but a nice obstructed ingress path would be good (twisty canyon?), or it could quickly devolve into a lawn dart final!