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Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: bbosen on May 20, 2008, 07:20:47 PM
I got so disgusted with Vista that I switched to PcLinuxOS last year, supplemented it with CEDEGA for AH1 and AH2, and I haven't looked back since.


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Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: DREDIOCK on May 20, 2008, 07:29:48 PM
How many computers can you currently install XP on per purchise?

I know on Windows upgrade I've been able to install it on 3 seperate hard drives on two seperate machines
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Krusty on May 21, 2008, 12:55:04 AM
1 key per computer. The one asterisk is the EULA says you can store one "backup copy" on a laptop but not quite the same as installing the same copy on every machine you have.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 02, 2008, 05:09:58 PM
How many computers can you currently install XP on per purchise?

I know on Windows upgrade I've been able to install it on 3 seperate hard drives on two seperate machines

Think Microsoft has changed that stance.  Think only OEM versions are limited to one key per computer but retail no longer has that limitation.   I've used my retail copy of XP to install it on multiple computers.


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Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: NHawk on June 02, 2008, 05:35:57 PM
Ahem...

XP Home (Retail) Eula:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than one processor at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.

1.5 Storage/Network Use. You may also store or install a copy of the Software on a storage device, such as a network server, used only to install or run the Software on your other Workstation Computers over an internal network; however, you must acquire and dedicate an additional license for each separate Workstation Computer on or from which the Software is installed, used, accessed, displayed or run.

13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER.  You may move the Software to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer.

XP Pro (Retail) Eula:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.

1.5 Storage/Network Use. You may also store or install a copy of the Software on a storage device, such as a network server, used only to install or run the Software on your other Workstation Computers over an internal network; however, you must acquire and dedicate an additional license for each separate Workstation Computer on or from which the Software is installed, used, accessed, displayed or run.

14. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. You may move the Software to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Motherland on June 02, 2008, 09:27:32 PM
What happens if you try to install it on more than one computer? Will it simply not work? Can Microsoft take legal action against you? Or is it just a rule they put out that they won't actually enforce, they're just trying to put a damper on installing one disc on several computers?
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: 715 on June 02, 2008, 11:23:43 PM
Are dual or quad core CPUs considered multiple "processors"?  If so does that mean XP Home can't be used on Core 2 Duo and XP Pro can't be used on Core 2 Quad?
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: BaldEagl on June 02, 2008, 11:36:18 PM
What happens if you try to install it on more than one computer? Will it simply not work? Can Microsoft take legal action against you? Or is it just a rule they put out that they won't actually enforce, they're just trying to put a damper on installing one disc on several computers?

When you go to windows update it verifys your OS.  I've heard you can get by by saying that you moved it to a different system or upgraded major components (this is how they verify that it's on the same system) but they still try to restrict muliple installs.  I've also heard on the third install it won't work until you call MS to get them to unlock it for you.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 03, 2008, 02:03:26 AM
When you go to windows update it verifys your OS.  I've heard you can get by by saying that you moved it to a different system or upgraded major components (this is how they verify that it's on the same system) but they still try to restrict muliple installs.  I've also heard on the third install it won't work until you call MS to get them to unlock it for you.


I've never been restricted on installing XP on multiple machines, just finish building my newest gaming machine over the weekend and used the same XP reg key that I've used on over half a dozen other machines. 

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Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Max on June 03, 2008, 06:41:50 AM
What happens if you try to install it on more than one computer? Will it simply not work? Can Microsoft take legal action against you?

IIRC functional operation of the OS software is dependent on activation of the product key, which is done via internet or by phone. Once MS has a record of activation, the key is rendered invalid for further installations with the possible exception of a replacement computer.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: BaldEagl on June 03, 2008, 08:50:49 AM

I've never been restricted on installing XP on multiple machines, just finish building my newest gaming machine over the weekend and used the same XP reg key that I've used on over half a dozen other machines. 

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I think that has something to do with how old your copy of XP is.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 03, 2008, 01:00:42 PM
I think that has something to do with how old your copy of XP is.

It's at least 5+ years, got it when they released the SP2 version of XP.


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Title: Re: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: OOZ662 on June 03, 2008, 05:53:54 PM
I heard that when you validate your copy of Windows, the key is locked for 6 months and if installed on a different hardware configuration, you won't be able to use Windows Update or download any "Microsoft Genuine Software" without contacting them and telling them you upgraded components, at which point the first machine becomes "invalid." After 6 months, the record is dumped from their servers and you can install it on another machine.

However, I believe this happens each time you Validate; I've had to do it three times on this install.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: humble on June 03, 2008, 05:59:06 PM
Your legally entitled to use 1 copy of software per license. you can move it as needed to a new machine. As a general rule you'll get 3 installs per license before you need to actually talk to a service rep. Obviously if your using the same key repeatedly eventually you'll run into trouble but for normal use your fine.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 03, 2008, 07:21:35 PM
Your legally entitled to use 1 copy of software per license. you can move it as needed to a new machine. As a general rule you'll get 3 installs per license before you need to actually talk to a service rep. Obviously if your using the same key repeatedly eventually you'll run into trouble but for normal use your fine.

I've never had to call Microsoft and talk to a service rep to have XP validated because I have it installed on more than 3 machines.  The 4 machines I have all use the same XP key as does the system I built for my girlfriend and the two machines I built for my parents.  I've also used the same XP key to reinstall XP on my brother's machine and on a couple of my sister's machines.  After each install of XP, I've been prompted only to authenticate over the Intardnet and each time I've done so, it has authenticated XP each time successfully.


I heard that when you validate your copy of Windows, the key is locked for 6 months and if installed on a different hardware configuration, you won't be able to use Windows Update or download any "Microsoft Genuine Software" without contacting them and telling them you upgraded components, at which point the first machine becomes "invalid." After 6 months, the record is dumped from their servers and you can install it on another machine.

However, I believe this happens each time you Validate; I've had to do it three times on this install.

I built my machine, my girlfriend's machine and my parent's machines all within the last 4 months using the same XP key (I'm also using the same XP CD) and never was "locked" out nor wasn't able to update or download any "Microsoft Genuine Software".

And no, I am not using a pirate key or CD copy of XP.  It's the same CD I bought 5+ years ago with the authentication key it came with.


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Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Tigger29 on June 03, 2008, 10:36:58 PM
Basically you're allowed up to three activations within six months.  If it sees a forth during that time, it runs it's authenticity check (some kind of points system based on what hardware components have been changed) and will lock itself out if it fails this check.

After six months the slate is wiped clean, assuming it passes the authenticity check and no further activations have been done.

Unless, of course, your key has been added to their 'high piracy risk' list, in which case you have to manually authenticate (call them) every time... luckily I don't have that problem.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: BaldEagl on June 04, 2008, 12:14:53 AM
I've never had to call Microsoft and talk to a service rep to have XP validated because I have it installed on more than 3 machines.  The 4 machines I have all use the same XP key as does the system I built for my girlfriend and the two machines I built for my parents.  I've also used the same XP key to reinstall XP on my brother's machine and on a couple of my sister's machines.  After each install of XP, I've been prompted only to authenticate over the Intardnet and each time I've done so, it has authenticated XP each time successfully.


I built my machine, my girlfriend's machine and my parent's machines all within the last 4 months using the same XP key (I'm also using the same XP CD) and never was "locked" out nor wasn't able to update or download any "Microsoft Genuine Software".

And no, I am not using a pirate key or CD copy of XP.  It's the same CD I bought 5+ years ago with the authentication key it came with.


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As I said, I think it has to do with how old your copy of XP is.  It's probably after some specific key number that they tightened it up.  I doubt you'de get away with that with a new copy of XP.
Title: Re: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Fulmar on June 04, 2008, 12:20:21 AM
I can vouch for Ack-Ack's method of installs.  It works.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Vulcan on June 04, 2008, 12:37:15 AM
ya know M$ makes XP installs so difficult it just encourages you to use slipstreamed WGA broken versions of XP.
Title: Re: XP end of retail as of June 30th 2008
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 04, 2008, 04:57:02 AM
As I said, I think it has to do with how old your copy of XP is.  It's probably after some specific key number that they tightened it up.  I doubt you'de get away with that with a new copy of XP.

If that is the case then the copy and key I have is going to be stored in a very safe place from now on.


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