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Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Bronk on May 20, 2008, 04:28:42 PM
Corvettes ZR-1 was partly developed by Lotus, IIRC its cylinder heads and valvetrain was developed by that little British company.

Still don't change the fact lotus is an overpriced go-kart.
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Lumpy on May 20, 2008, 04:37:40 PM
Lotus (Cars) is the name of the company, not the name of their cars. I'm guessing you're thinking of the Elise.
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Bronk on May 20, 2008, 04:45:14 PM
Lotus (Cars) is the name of the company, not the name of their cars. I'm guessing you're thinking of the Elise.
Are not the elise and the exige the only two models the company now makes?  Like I said overpriced go-karts.
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Lumpy on May 20, 2008, 05:00:33 PM
Are not the elise and the exige the only two models the company now makes?  Like I said overpriced go-karts.

No. Elise, Exige, Europa S, 2-Eleven, and next year they are launching the replacement for the Esprit.

But none of Lotus' cars are what you'd call "big".
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Mini D on May 20, 2008, 05:38:09 PM
I don't know what you're on about or where all your paranoia comes from. The Porsche engine is lighter, more powerful and more advanced/refined than the LS7. I honestly don't see how anyone can argue that the LS7 is better.
I image I can argue the LS7 is better since it was picked as the racing engine of the year (porsche would have been eligable in there too). You see, it kicked that porsche engines bellybutton in everything but european opinion. Trophies speak volumes.
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Mini D on May 20, 2008, 05:44:29 PM
Ah hell... maybe I should just let porsche and bmw enjoy the fact that the only way they could beat the LS7 was by vote.
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Lumpy on May 20, 2008, 05:55:21 PM
The LS7 has not been "picked" as the "racing engine of the year". The LS7.R has been named the "race engine of the year". The LS7.R is not a production engine and mechanically very different from the LS7. The LS7.R is a purpose built racing engine with a designed lifespan of little more than 24 hours. Besides their designations the two engines have very little in common.

Try again.
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Mini D on May 20, 2008, 06:46:51 PM
You tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better about that poll.
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Lumpy on May 20, 2008, 06:56:23 PM
Heh, I think it is pretty clear who's grasping at straws. What will be your next trick?
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Mini D on May 20, 2008, 07:35:03 PM
See Rule #5
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: mg1942 on May 20, 2008, 08:03:32 PM
Mazda rotary from 1980s can beat LS7s...

too bad it's illegal now because it's too reliable
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Mini D on May 20, 2008, 08:21:48 PM
Rotary engines are illegal? They were great engines... when they held oil. The RX7 is a great platform for putting a small block in.

Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: mg1942 on May 20, 2008, 08:54:19 PM
my bad, i was referring to the mazda 787bs rotary vs LS7 racing edition
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Geary420 on May 20, 2008, 10:13:52 PM
too bad it's illegal now because it's too reliable

Did they finally figure out how to make a decent apex seal?
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: SD67 on May 20, 2008, 10:29:39 PM
Yep, they did indeed about 7 years ago
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: FrodeMk3 on May 20, 2008, 10:44:13 PM
my bad, i was referring to the mazda 787bs rotary vs LS7 racing edition

Okay, here is the difference, though, that DOES make the LS-7 quite remarkable to it's R26B competitor:

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The most prominent 4-rotor engine from Mazda was used exclusively for various Mazda-built GT cars (including the 767 and 787B) in replacement of the older 13J. In 1991 this engine in a 787B became the first from outside the U.S. or Western Europe and the first (and so far only) car with a rotary engine to win outright the 24 hours of Le Mans race. It displaced 2622 cc and built 700 hp (522 kW) at 9000 rpm. The engine design originates as a single 13B with: an additional rotor and housing added at each end, continually variable geometry intakes, and an additional (third) spark plug per rotor. The R26B's rotor housing can be purchased at retail from Mazdaspeed, but no internal parts are available to the general public.

The engine wasn't even available to the public in detuned form. As for what I've seen, an R26B hasn't ever powered a passenger car. Not even it's rotor case. The LS-7, however, shares alot of parts' with the ZO6-'Vette motor.

BTW, I'm a Ford/kinda Dodge guy. I hate like hell to admit that GM has a superior product, but the chevy/GM LS series' motors, for their price, are very hard to beat.

Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Geary420 on May 20, 2008, 10:46:10 PM
[Mr. Burns]Excellent[/Mr. Burns]  Has the technology been applied to the older mills I assume?  I would give a proverbial "nut" for one of the 3rd gen. R1's.
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Lumpy on May 21, 2008, 03:55:17 AM
See Rule #5
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: Lumpy on May 21, 2008, 07:13:52 AM
The Corvette is amazing value for money performance wise, but the thing about awards is that you have to be best, not best built down to a price.


Corvette C06 vs. 911 GT2 test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJyYAquOwe4
Title: Re: Engine of the year awards 2008.
Post by: sluggish on May 21, 2008, 08:50:57 AM
That guy cannot drive.  He didn't even have the Vette in competetive driving mode.  Get a driver that wants his car to win behind the wheel and see what happens.  The Porsche and and the Z06 are virually identical in weight, HP and torque, and yet the Vette is less than half the price of the Porsche...