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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Banshee7 on May 24, 2008, 02:04:41 AM
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I mean come on. The only tank in EW that can effectively counter a T34 is what?? Aother T34. How about some variety in life. Is there an EW tank that could face up with a T34 or atleast have a fighting chance?
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I mean come on. The only tank in EW that can effectively counter a T34 is what?? Aother T34. How about some variety in life. Is there an EW tank that could face up with a T34 or atleast have a fighting chance?
No. At least not on equal terms. Most EW tanks used 37mm cannon. In fact, the T-34 made many other Russian designs obsolete.
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What are the actual dates that early war consists of? I wouldn't mind doing some research on this question. I suspect that the answer is no, but their might have been something toward the end of the time period.
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With other EW contenders, the T-34 would not be unstoppable by any stretch. The HVAP rounds should be removed from it in the EW arena, if that is possible to do by arena, and it's ENY would have to be the lowest of any of the vehicles, but there are worthy opponents for it.
The T-34 was a "late" '41 tank, which puts it right at the end of the early war period. One of the more obvious and probably easiest to model opponents for it would be an earlier version of the PzkwIV, probably a D or E version that had a lower velocity 75mm gun. I think the F with a better 75mm gun was a '42 or later, so I am not sure if that would qualify as a EW or MW tank by current definitions. These guns would be less powerful than our current PzkwIV(H), but would be roughly par with the T-34's 76 (again, sans HVAP).
I think in late '41 there were also a few PzkwIII(E) and (J) versions with 50mm guns, along with the earlier versions with the 37mm guns. Frontal shots with a 50mm would be problematic, but side or rear shots would be dangerous to the T-34.
Then there could also be the more heavily armored Matilda tanks from the Brits. The heavy armor might make them survivable enough to get a few licks on the T-34s.
Even another Russian tank like the BT-7 with a 45mm gun could be dangerous. The BT-7 was a very fast tank, outpacing even the already relatively speedy T-34. What a change of tactics that would cause to T-34 drivers who are used to their tanks being faster than their opponents!
I don't think any of these versions are the "equal" of the T-34, but they would be dangerous enough to it to make the battles interesting.
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I think in late '41 there were also a few PzkwIII(E) and (J) versions with 50mm guns, along with the earlier versions with the 37mm guns. Frontal shots with a 50mm would be problematic, but side or rear shots would be dangerous to the T-34.
If I remember correctly, the III was designed for infantry support, not tank vs tank fighting. From what I've read, that 50mm wasn't very effective at all versus armored vehicles.
Now, add the III and perk the T34....that could work. :)
What was the French tank...the Char? I understand it was quite competitive in '40.
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These are the most produced vehicles of the EW period (5000 or more produced) from a research project I've been working on. It will give you an idea of what was widely available.
Valentine
Great Britan 1939-1945
Production: 7,300-8,275
Armor: 8-65mm
Range: 90 mi.
Speed: 15 mph (24 km/h)
Armament: QF 2-pounder + 7.92mm machine gun
QF 2-pounder:
Caliber: 40mm
Elevation: -13 to +15 degrees
ROF: 22 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 26 ft/sec
Effective range: 1000 yards
Panzer III
Germany 1939-1943
Production: 2,390-5,774
Armor: 5-70mm
Range: 155 km.
Speed: 19-40 km/h (off-road/road)
Armament: 1× 5 cm KwK 38 L/42 + 2x 7.92mm machine guns
5 cm KwK 38 L/42:
Caliber: 50mm
Elevation: -8 to +27 degrees
ROF: 13 rounds/min.
Muzzle velocity: 550-1,130 m/s
Crusader
Great Britan 1940-1943
Production: 5,300
Armor: 32mm
Range: 322 km.
Speed: 24-42 km/h (off-road/road)
Armament: QF 2-pounder (65 rounds) + 7.92mm machine gun (5,000 rounds)
QF 2-pounder:
Caliber: 40mm
Elevation: -13 to +15 degrees
ROF: 22 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 26 ft/sec
Effective range: 1000 yards
T-34
USSR 1940-1944
Production: 34,780
Armor: 52mm (2 in.)
Range: 400km (250mi.)
Speed: 53 km/h (33 mph)
Armament: 76.2mm (3 in.) (77 rounds) + 2x7.62mm machine guns
F-34 76.2mm:
Caliber: 76.2mm (3 in.) + 2x7.62mm machine guns
Muzzle velocity: ~650 m/sec
M3 Stuart
USA 1941-1942
Production: 13,859
Armor: 13-51mm
Range: 120km (74mi.)
Speed: 30-58 km/h (18-36 mph off road/on road)
Armament: 37mm M6 in M44 mount + 3x 30.06 machine guns
37mm M6:
Caliber: 37mm
Elevation: -10 to +15 degrees
ROF: 25 rounds/min.
Muzzle velocity: 884 m/sec
Maximum range: 6.9 km
T85
USA
Production: 1941-1942
Armor: 13-51mm
Range: 120km (74mi.)
Speed: 30-58 km/h (18-36 mph off road/on road)
Armament: Quad Oerlikon 20mm cannons
Oerlikon 20mm:
Caliber: 20mm
ROF: 450 rounds/min.
Muzzle velocity: 820 m/sec
Maximum range: 2 km
T-60
USSR 1941-1942
Production: 6,292
Armor: 7-20mm
Range: 450km
Speed: 44 km/h
Armament: 20mm TNSh Cannon + 7.62mm machine gun
20mm TNSh:
Caliber: 20mm
ROF: 700-800 rounds/min.
Muzzle velocity: 750-790 m/sec
Jeep
USA 1941-1945
Production: 647,925
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If I remember correctly, the III was designed for infantry support, not tank vs tank fighting. From what I've read, that 50mm wasn't very effective at all versus armored vehicles.
Now, add the III and perk the T34....that could work. :)
What was the French tank...the Char? I understand it was quite competitive in '40.
Actually, you have it backwards. The III was supposed to be the tank vs. tank vehicle, and sported the 37mm AT gun (which was the standard German AT gun at the start of the war). The PzkwIV(C) was the "infantry support" tank sporting a short 75mm howitzer for hitting infantry targets.
After seeing the inadequacy of the 37mm gun vs. the heavier French and Brit tanks, they started up-gunning the IIIs to 50mm. The 50mm did not sport the hitting power of the 75s, but were a definite improvement over the 37s.
The Char B-1 heavy tank was competitive for 1940, but the T-34 certainly outmatched it. It's main weapon was a 75mm howitzer mounted in the bow (can't call it a sponson, because I don't think it traversed side-to-side at all). It had a turret with a fairly good 47mm gun, but like most French designs, the turret was large enough for only one person -- which means the tank commander was also the loader and gunner.
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Actually, you have it backwards.
....and it won't be the last time!!
I knew about the Pz4 and its howitzer (read the 2nd Panzer Aces book a couple months ago). I was thinking it was the same for the III. Thx for the info. :)
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Nice Name... Dickbong. Has That Worked On The College Chicks.
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Nice Name... Dickbong. Has That Worked On The College Chicks.
Richard "Dick" Ira Bong (September 24, 1920 – August 6, 1945) is the United States' highest-scoring air ace, having shot down 40 Japanese aircraft in his P-38 during World War II. Bong was a pilot in the U.S. Army Air Forces (USAAF), and was a recipient of the Medal of Honor. Bong became a test pilot for the US Army Air Force assigned to Lockheed's Burbank, California plant flying P-80 Shooting Star jet fighters at the Lockheed Air Terminal. On August 6, 1945, the primary fuel pump sheared during takeoff on the acceptance flight of P-80A 44-85048. Bong had forgotten or could not switch to the auxiliary fuel pump. Bong successfully escaped the aircraft, but was too low for his parachute to successfully deploy and he fell to his death. His death was front-page news across the country, sharing space with the first news of the bombing of Hiroshima.
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Richard "Dick" Ira Bong (September 24, 1920 – August 6, 1945) is the United States' highest-scoring air ace, having shot down 40 Japanese aircraft in his P-38 during World War II. Bong was a pilot in the U.S. Army Air Forces (USAAF), and was a recipient of the Medal of Honor. Bong became a test pilot for the US Army Air Force assigned to Lockheed's Burbank, California plant flying P-80 Shooting Star jet fighters at the Lockheed Air Terminal. On August 6, 1945, the primary fuel pump sheared during takeoff on the acceptance flight of P-80A 44-85048. Bong had forgotten or could not switch to the auxiliary fuel pump. Bong successfully escaped the aircraft, but was too low for his parachute to successfully deploy and he fell to his death. His death was front-page news across the country, sharing space with the first news of the bombing of Hiroshima.
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:rofl
Why in the world would you think that's funny? It's true. Your response is in incredibly bad taste.
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leav him be Bald...i see a magic PNG wand hovering around here somewhere if he keeps up
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Why in the world would you think that's funny? It's true. Your response is in incredibly bad taste.
BE, the boy is simply dumber than a box of rocks. :frown:
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Jeep
USA 1941-1945
Production: 647,925
YEA THAT WELL SURE KILL SOME T-34s :O
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BE, the boy is simply dumber than a box of rocks. :frown:
QFT :P
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i think the jagdpanzer 1 had a gun that could take out a t-34. the tank destroyer had very thin armor and open top.
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Jeep
USA 1941-1945
Production: 647,925
YEA THAT WELL SURE KILL SOME T-34s :O
yep it will.
do the glitch lol T34s have no pintle gun
theyll have to turn turret and shoot you with coaxial :D