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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hajo on May 25, 2008, 09:25:53 AM
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Any ideas Gents? I live in Ohio.I was thinking of starting my search at Sporting Goods Stores.
I usually purchase them from private owners. None to be had in this area.
Any suggestions on make or models would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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There are a few out there. Marlin still makes a lever action 30-30 rifle. An alternitive you might want to consider for a saddle gun is the Ruger 96/44. It is a carbine style lever action rifle that shoots the .44 Magnum round. I have a friend that uses this rifle for deer hunting in wooded areas and he has had very good luck with it. Winchester model 96's can still be found but they are getting expensive since they are no longer in production
Here is the Ruger
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Rifle&subtype=Lever%20Action&famlst=37 (http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Rifle&subtype=Lever%20Action&famlst=37)
Marlin rifles
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/centerfire/336C.aspx (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/centerfire/336C.aspx)
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Had a Winchester 94 years ago bought just because it was a classic. I think Savage has a new lever action? Google around, and don't forget theboxotruth.com and chuckhawks.com.
I keep thinking I ought to have handy substantial carbine, but it would be a luxury since I don't hunt and have no good place to shoot it. My ideal carbine would be a modern .308 under six pounds with plenty of recoil attenuation and a red dot sight with modest magazine keeping the nice lines of the weapon. Not a Ruger ranch rifle fan. The new Remington R-15 VTR with collapsible stock looks great except doesn't come in .308.
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I had an old 30-30 breach load the the round was loose in the chamber. I took it to a place called noble firearms and my gunsmith there bored it from a 30-30 to a 30-40 Krag. It was a breach loader but it pack a hell of a punch.:salute :rock
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I do love my Model 94, but when i purchased a surplus M-1 Carbine, i was hooked. It has nowhere near the punch of a 30-30 round, but it's made up for with its easy handling and i can pepper a huge area with my 30 round clip of .30 cal. :aok
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Oh yeah, the M-1 Carbine is a sweetheart. Couldn't resist a Kahr replica. The Ruger ranch gun is pattered after the M-1 Carbine, so no wonder it's so popular. People just naturally gravitate to the user friendliness of an M-1 Carbine. Might not be as potent as some rifles, but more effective than most handguns. For max reliability and sleekest look, got a 5-round magazine for mine. It defines user friendly. The iron sights are too good to usurp with some new fangled red dot.
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Winchester 94 ! 30-30 killed more deer than any other round made!! love mine and it still says made in America on the barrel 1971 model..lol Marlin also good would love a 45-70 saw one at the gunshow this year..
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30-30 has killed a lot of deer but I think that most would agree that the ought six is the champ for all time most deer slain.
I just bought a Henry big boy in 44 mag. There are several 44 mag leverguns. at ranges up to 150 yards it does about the same thing as a thirty thirty but you get a more compact round that you can run through your revolvers too.. for what that is worth.. I also think that the big 44 round is a better killer on all things living.
M1 carbine.. owned a few.. it is handy but.. I like the mini 14 a little better. same gun really but a better caliber in .223 both are handy carbines. I think the edge in accuracy goes to the mini 14 both are low recoiling guns.. I also think the edge in reloading the ammo goes to the mini 14.. lots of 22 bullets to choose from.. only a few for the M1 carbine.
lazs
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Does the Mini14 spit out .223s at the same velocity as an M16 or Ar15?
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yes it does.. what is your point?
lazs
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Let's get real here, to Lazs there is only one real rifle worth owning:
(http://www.cpinternet.com/~tlong1//lazsrifle.jpg)
A revolver rifle.
:D :aok
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MAoooooooooo Hajo
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yes it does.. what is your point?
lazs
I was just curious. I'd take a Mini14 for nothing other than its ease of maintenance over an Ar15.
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Let's get real here, to Lazs there is only one real rifle worth owning:
(http://www.cpinternet.com/~tlong1//lazsrifle.jpg)
A revolver rifle.
:D :aok
What a ridiculous looking weapon.
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I love my Model 94 .30-30 that was given to me by my Dad a few years ago. I have probably killed 35-40 deer with the thing since I started hunting and probably just as many as that with my Model 700 .30-06
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What a ridiculous looking weapon.
Keep it in perspective; that is an 1855 design of a repeating rifle. It had it's problems as does any groundbreaking design but when you consider that the standard infantry rifle of that time generally shot about twice a minute it was a bold step into the future.
WIKI:
The weapon performed superbly in combat, seeing action with the 21st Ohio Volunteer Infantry Union forces at Snodgrass Hill and at the Battle of Chickamauga during the American Civil War [3]. The volume of fire from this weapon proved to be so useful at both battles that the Confederate forces were convinced that they were attacking an entire division, not just a single regiment. In total 4,712 were purchased during the Civil War [1].
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The one he shows is a percussion revolving rifle and it can really ruin your day with a chainfire.. Not to mention the gas escaping from the cyl/barrel gap.. the revolving rifle was a really bad idea but....
revolvers are making a comeback in shotguns and grenade launchers. They work really neat in those guns for the same reasons that revolvers are useful.
I like the mini 14... it is handy and light and reliable with no recoil.
lazs
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Yeah, it had it's problems but they apparently got it to work at Chickamauga.
I wonder why they didn't seal the cylinders with wax/tallow like revolvers?
Ah... they did. I can see the reloading problem though, even though extra cylinders might have helped a lot.
The Colt revolving rifle
The .56 caliber 5-shot Colt revolving rifle came on the market in 1855. Before the Tullahoma campaign (24 June to 3 July 1863), Rosecrans had equipped about 1600 of his men with such rifles. It was not properly a breechloader, but once loaded, its rate of fire was considerably faster than that of a muzzle loader. However, the loading procedure was cumbersome for a soldier under fire.
The cylinder had to be removed, powder packed into each of the chambers, a bullet packed on top of the powder, the chambers sealed with wax, and finally the whole covered with grease in order to protect against the possibility of loose powder igniting all of the chambers at once, a phenomenon called chain fire. Given the size of the powder charge, this could be lethal to the bearer. The soldiers therefore loaded spare cylinders in advance, and in battle someone normally did the loading for the ones shooting, and this reduced the risk attendant with hurried loading.
In addition, the arm which normally supported the weapon was right beside the cylinder and was thus exposed to the powder flash which escapes from the gap between the rear end of the barrel and the forward face of the cylinders of all revolvers. To avoid being burned the soldier had to either hold his elbow very far away from the cylinder or support the weapon on some object.
Nevertheless it did good service for some Federal units on Snodgrass Hill at the battle of Chickamauga. For example, on the afternoon of 20 Sept. 1863, the second day of the battle, the 535 men of the 21st regiment of Ohio commanded by Lieut. Col. Dwella Stoughton of Sirwell’s brigade of Negley's division, posted on the far right of Thomas' line, expended 43,550 rounds along with some Enfield bullets (.57 caliber, but could be made to fit), and they repulsed 5 charges by much greater numbers of Confederates under Hindman. The second photo below shows the shorter carbine version for cavalry.
http://scard.buffnet.net/pages/signal/signalpages/weapons.html
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Looked at the Marlin 336C today. (Gander Mountain) Looks as if this will be my choice.
MAAAAAAAAAAAAooooooooooooo Whels :D
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I am a big fan of the M-1 Carbine. Though, my "rough gun" is an SKS. It is accurate enough to take down game and is very reliable. They are cheap to buy to which means if it breaks, gets lost or stolen, you are not out much.
It's accuracy is not on par with an AR-15 or even a Mini-14, but it can still reach out and touch with ease out to 150 yards. Which is more than good enough for everyday use. The rifle is damn near indestructible, mine has over 5,000 rounds though it and has gone boom every time I needed it to without fail. They are easy to use, easy to clean and easy to fix if they do ever break.
There are detachable 20, 30 and even 45 round magazines for them. There are also lots of stock and optic options, though I have found that mine is just fine bone stock. The sights work well and the non-detachable 10 round magazine works just fine. I keep it in the back of my truck when I am out in the woods, I keep a few 10 round striper clips with it and it works just fine.
You can buy a cheap Yugo and trick it out for not a whole lot of money. With compensator's and better optics you can tighten up the groupings pretty nice. I have a modded SKS and while they are fun and cheap to trick out they kind of defeat the purpose of a field gun in my own opinion.
My Norinco "Rough gun"
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q15/Kegger26/cf23064e.jpg)
My modded Yugo. The rifle was about 100$ and I have about 350-400$ worth of parts in it and on it.
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q15/Kegger26/a98e2b01.jpg)
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q15/Kegger26/010d9c15.jpg)
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My Stainless Mini....in "calm" loadout. Have all the crazy addons and stocks, but always find myself dressing back down to this config.
A great all around shooter.
(http://ahjg11.webs.com/DSC00930.JPG)
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The Mini-14 would be a good choice for an every day field take-along gun. This would assume you wouldn't need a larger caliber than .223. You can still pick one up for a reasonable price, if you don't need a tack driver, and use Ruger magazines.
I doubt I would care to haul my M1 Carbine out in the woods much for an everyday gun for the simple fact that the value is going up quickly on a mil-surp M1 Carbine like mine. The carbine is fun to shoot with light recoil.
I would recommend a stainless Mini-14. Good all around plinker.